Enter The Trump Kakistocracy…

[PenguinBoss]

32 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

For the candidates, Trump is Trump. We all know who he is, and we have all had 4 years of him being President. So his status was already set.

Harris, on the other hand, was an absolutely horrible candidate from Day 1. Anyone who is honest with themselves would see that. She failed to gain a single vote in the primaries, and flamed out before her own state of California was ever able to vote for her. Tulsi Gabbard ended her campaign in 2020 before it ever got going.

Prior to being anointed as the nominee this year she was one of the most unpopular VPs in American history. At no point did people ever have a favorable opinion of her. If there was an actual open primary following the palace coup against Biden she would not have won. But Democrats couldnt do that because it risked shattering their coalition, something that may have happened anyway.

She was the most artificial candidate we have ever seen, and couldnt even find a way to answer some of the most basic questions asked of her.
"What would you do different from Biden?"

"Nothing"

Thats as politically tone deaf an answer as you can possibly have when everything suggested people are not happy with the direction of the country.

The VP pick wasnt any better. She went with Waltz because she couldnt go with the Jewish Shapiro. The antisemitic wing of the Democratic party was simply too strong for her to go with the much smarter and more politically adept pick of Shapiro. Waltz turned into a huge liability and did nothing to help bring rural voters, particularly men, into the Democratic fold. His debate performance was horrible, and he was just weird.

Vance on the other hand clearly demonstrated an ability to communicate with people, and his performances on those podcasts are a huge reason why men showed up for Trump.

Joe Rogan wound up potentially being kingmaker this year. Harris flat out refused to go to Rogan to do the podcast. Trump, Vance, and Trump surrogate Musk all made sure to go to that podcast. A three hour conversation that made them all seem like perfectly normal people. Harris absolutely needed to do that, and she didnt. Those conversations perfectly pierced the media bubble that Trump is Hitler. No one who listened to those podcasts would think that. Baron Trump apparently was instrumental in having the Trump campaign lean into these podcasts to get to these voters.

Don't you have children being bombed to ignore in that other thread?

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, PenguinBoss said:

Don't you have children being bombed to ignore in that other thread?

You assume she ignores them rather than rub one out to it.

[Master-Debater131]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

I fully expect Musk and friends to attempt something crazy vs a green energy transition, like sulfur dioxide geo-engineering.  

What gets me is that people really should be cheering the idea of a guy like Musk being far more involved in government.

He single handedly made electric vehicles a viable option in this country. Without him the EV market would still be where it was 15 years ago. Like him or not, he absolutely is a visionary whos ideas should be, at a minimum, explored. I think a lot of them are far out there, but it does force the question on how to approach issues.

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

What gets me is that people really should be cheering the idea of a guy like Musk being far more involved in government.

He single handedly made electric vehicles a viable option in this country. Without him the EV market would still be where it was 15 years ago. Like him or not, he absolutely is a visionary whos ideas should be, at a minimum, explored. I think a lot of them are far out there, but it does force the question on how to approach issues.

You are unspeakably stupid if you believe a word of this post.

[Belize]

Pollsters sometime ask the question, "Do you think America's best days are in front of her or are behind her?" 

I am firmly in the behind opinion. This is the first time I ever felt that way. 

[Master-Debater131]

Possibly the first rumor of who might get prime spot in the Trump admin.

 

[Master-Debater131]

Interesting thought, what happens to Hunter Biden now? Lots of rumors that Biden was going to pardon him before his term was up. Sentencing is next week, election is over. When does the Pardon hit?

And bonus thought, does Biden throw the ultimate chaos move by pardoning Trump at the same time so Trump doesnt pardon himself.  Lottttssss of talk that Bidenworld is beyond pissed at how this all went down. It sure would be one last middle finger if he wound up throwing out duel pardons.

[Jman]

I’m sort of in the “depressed but not despondent” phase.  My main concern is hoping they get as many environmental protections etched in stone, same with the Dept of Education.  I don’t think Trump is going to dissolve them or let RFK run roughshod with our health (what’s the point of running a country of dead people?) but they will be facing cutbacks.

[Belize]

I know what Trump is, but I think Vance is a neophyte who could be controlled. 

[Jman]

1 minute ago, Belize said:

I know what Trump is, but I think Vance is a neophyte who could be controlled. 

Vance has a tenth of the charisma but also a much more even temperament.  I imagine what he does will be much more subtle. It’s why his debate with Walz was so weird.  Both of them came off as relatively normal.

[Belize]

Maybe Trump will die on the toilet.

[mthor]

1 hour ago, Belize said:

Maybe Trump will die on the toilet.

He is not worthy to die like Elvis.

[Belize]

The majority of Americans are going to hate Trump again in like 3 months. 

 

[rpgamer]

13 minutes ago, Belize said:

The majority of Americans are going to hate Trump again in like 3 months. 

 

And thus Dems get an easy win and learn absolutely nothing, and the cycle repeats.

[Jman]

28 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

And thus Dems get an easy win and learn absolutely nothing, and the cycle repeats.

And the cosmic ballet goes on.

I know the idea of what these idiots wants to do is terrifying, but in much the same way old people like Social Security and vote in record numbers, so many green energy policies benefit red states and their job markets, and that is likely what will prevent the worst from happening.  Pushback on the local, state, and federal level via a filibustered House.  How is the Wall doing anyway?

Edited November 7, 2024 by Jman

[Belize]

25 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

And thus Dems get an easy win and learn absolutely nothing, and the cycle repeats.

Learning something in this context isn't important because 90% of the thoughts people are forming in the aftermath of a loss is bullshit. Anyone confidently saying "this is why Dems lost and this is what we need to do" can be ignored. 

[CountFrylock]

Our delivery driver today told my mother trumps about to make things so much better 

she seemed very happy according to mom 

like she just won a lottery 

[Jman]

9 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Our delivery driver today told my mother trumps about to make things so much better 

she seemed very happy according to mom 

like she just won a lottery 

They won't be singing the same tune come April, and that's going to be the funny part.  

This will always be the fundamental weakness of Trumpism.  The personality smokescreen only last so long as the personality is alive.  When the dementia fully takes hold and JD Vance is president, well, do you really see Vance inspiring the same level of fervor?  It'd be like watching a really bad cover band of the Rolling Stones after seeing the Stones the night before.  

[naraku360]

11 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Our delivery driver today told my mother trumps about to make things so much better 

she seemed very happy according to mom 

like she just won a lottery 

I bet everyone clapped, too!

[CountFrylock]

8 minutes ago, Jman said:

They won't be singing the same tune come April, and that's going to be the funny part.  

This will always be the fundamental weakness of Trumpism.  The personality smokescreen only last so long as the personality is alive.  When the dementia fully takes hold and JD Vance is president, well, do you really see Vance inspiring the same level of fervor?  It'd be like watching a really bad cover band of the Rolling Stones after seeing the Stones the night before.  

It just boggles my mind to know a person whose been supporting me and my mother voted for trump 

On one hand he’s given us all he can to help us but on the other he’s a devoted trump fan 

 

[smiradenius]

Trump says he wants to eliminate the federal income tax and fund government through tariffs. 

 

Good luck with that one.  The IRS is a century old bureaucracy that has been getting fatter and more deeply entrenched every day for all this time.  It's almost unanimously supported by both Republicans and Democrats at every level.   So, no matter the intent, Trump doesn't have the necessary support in Congress to pull that move successfully.

[matrixman124]

Looks like people are finally finding out what tariffs are

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

Looks like people are finally finding out what tariffs are

In six months, everyone is going to remember exactly why this sack of shit was so unpopular.  Kind of a shame that the current administration couldn't offer something better, but unfortunately, some people need to learn the hard way.

[Belize]

The Biden administration has been really good for me economically. I fell into that sweet spot were my income increased exponentially in the last four years. I feel I am in a decent spot to weather any economic calamity that may occur. *knock on wood*. 

I hope Trump voters face consequences though. 

[Belize]

I've mentioned on these boards before how I recently achieved my goal of being able to order any meal at a restaurant without ever checking the price. I know that's a trite marker of financial health, but I've always used it. 

To my surprise, I actually reached that goal in the last four years. I barely noticed any inflation because income outpaced it. 

[Insipid]

6 minutes ago, Belize said:

The Biden administration has been really good for me economically. I fell into that sweet spot were my income increased exponentially in the last four years. I feel I am in a decent spot to weather any economic calamity that may occur. *knock on wood*. 

I hope Trump voters face consequences though. 

Well a lot of these people didn't feel their wealth increased under Biden, even though the inflation was a global phenomenon. They are gonna suffer, and many are gonna double down on their horribleness despite everything. I am not looking forward to any of this.

[Belize]

36 minutes ago, Belize said:

I've mentioned on these boards before how I recently achieved my goal of being able to order any meal at a restaurant without ever checking the price. I know that's a trite marker of financial health, but I've always used it. 

To my surprise, I actually reached that goal in the last four years. I barely noticed any inflation because income outpaced it. 

 

Quick math on this, because I've never quantified it before in my mind. Also without giving out too much personal information. I estimate my income now is a little more than double what it was in the pre-pandemic year of 2019. 

For someone who grew up poor, it feels good to be middle class. 

Edited November 7, 2024 by Belize

[Insipid]

2 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

Quick math on this, because I've never quantified it before in my mind. Also without giving out too much personal information. I estimate my income now is a little more than double what it was in the pre-pandemic year of 2019. 

Why exactly do you want to immigrate then? This "go fuck yourselves, I got mine" attitude is very stereotypically American, and an attitude foreigners tend to hate about America. You specifically will most likely be fine under Trump anyway.

[André Toulon]

IDC what my financial status is, when I see market on a menu, I'm asking wtf it is. Not paying $80 for 6 oysters because it's July.

Just run me a steak, bro.

I go to the fish market for my seafood in landlocked ass OK, not gonna catch me slipping at a damn Charleston's 

[Jman]

Speaking of, the sticker shock from the mere threat of tariffs will likely convince Trump to back off, like so many of his other plans.  Prices have to go down for him to be popular, plain and simple.  

Edited November 7, 2024 by Jman

[Belize]

19 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Why exactly do you want to immigrate then? This "go fuck yourselves, I got mine" attitude is very stereotypically American, and an attitude foreigners tend to hate about America. You specifically will most likely be fine under Trump anyway.

Because economics isn't the only factor. Why would live around the people who willingly want a tyrant to rule over them?

[_lost_username_]

17 hours ago, Jman said:

I’m sort of in the “depressed but not despondent” phase.  My main concern is hoping they get as many environmental protections etched in stone, same with the Dept of Education.  I don’t think Trump is going to dissolve them or let RFK run roughshod with our health (what’s the point of running a country of dead people?) but they will be facing cutbacks.

I think he’s going to screw RFK because he is no longer useful. Someone in his orbit will get close enough to him and say “you can’t actually give this guy an office.”

[Insipid]

52 minutes ago, Belize said:

Because economics isn't the only factor. Why would live around the people who willingly want a tyrant to rule over them?

I get the feeling you'd be living in an expat bubble in another country . . . but if that's what you want, it's not exactly a bad thing, depending on your worldviews.

In fact, I bet most Americans wanting to leave after the election probably just want to live the expat lifestyle and not properly assimilate into another society with different values.

[_lost_username_]

I think one of the first things we will see the public pushback on is whatever Musk plans comes to light. He is a guy surrounded by people who tell him all his ideas are good and so far he has gotten the public to believe he’s a genius too. Whenever it comes time though, I think people will see it and be like “WTF?” and say “no way,”

[MasqueradeOverture]

I think only once the "Find Out" meter reaches near 10 is when we can kill this saga for good. Midwest manufacturers are already bracing for tariff fallout. Cousin fuckers out there need to put their hand on the stove first.

[Jman]

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/economy-if-trump-wins-second-term-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Musk has outright said to brace for pain these next few years.  That was their pitch.  

It's why I'm calling it.  When the Trump effect is gone (because he'll hopefully be gone sooner rather than later) and President Vance is seeing people pissed they had their heads put on the burning stove to teach them the folly of the GOP's policies, we will see a lot of buyer's remorse.

Edited November 7, 2024 by Jman

[SwimOdin]

5 minutes ago, Jman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/economy-if-trump-wins-second-term-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Musk has outright said to brace for pain these next few years.  That was their pitch.  

It's why I'm calling it.  When the Trump effect is gone (because he'll hopefully be gone sooner rather than later) and President Vance is seeing people pissed they had their heads put on the burning stove to teach them the folly of the GOP's policies, we will see a lot of buyer's remorse.

That’s comforting.

[matrixman124]

3 hours ago, _lost_username_ said:

I think one of the first things we will see the public pushback on is whatever Musk plans comes to light. He is a guy surrounded by people who tell him all his ideas are good and so far he has gotten the public to believe he’s a genius too. Whenever it comes time though, I think people will see it and be like “WTF?” and say “no way,”

Just a reminder that Trump made a Truth Social post where he shit all over Elon's ass kissing to get his federal subsidies

[SwimOdin]

1 minute ago, matrixman124 said:

Just a reminder that Trump made a Truth Social post where he shit all over Elon's ass kissing to get his federal subsidies

He’s a stupid man who says stupid things, how’s he supposed to keep up with himself?

 Note: in the new regime, I will be flogged for this post.

[_lost_username_]

10 minutes ago, Jman said:

https://www.nbcnews.com/business/economy/economy-if-trump-wins-second-term-could-mean-hardship-for-americans-rcna177807?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

Musk has outright said to brace for pain these next few years.  That was their pitch.  

It's why I'm calling it.  When the Trump effect is gone (because he'll hopefully be gone sooner rather than later) and President Vance is seeing people pissed they had their heads put on the burning stove to teach them the folly of the GOP's policies, we will see a lot of buyer's remorse.

I’m certain it won’t take long for musk to have an “emperor has no clothes” moment.

[_lost_username_]

10 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Just a reminder that Trump made a Truth Social post where he shit all over Elon's ass kissing to get his federal subsidies

Trump seems to have an instinct when it comes to his sycophants trying to get more out of him than vice versa. He wants two things: glory and money. If he sees Musk turn public opinion against him, he’s going to drop him and say “I never bought into that” or “He didn’t tell me about that.” Trump always tries to divert blame for fails as much as he tries to take credit for good things.

[Belize]

4 hours ago, Insipid said:

I get the feeling you'd be living in an expat bubble in another country . . . but if that's what you want, it's not exactly a bad thing, depending on your worldviews.

In fact, I bet most Americans wanting to leave after the election probably just want to live the expat lifestyle and not properly assimilate into another society with different values.

Here's an idea. Suddenly this is less "flight from something horrible" and more of a positive life experience. Even if I do this, I would try to avoid coming back to the US as much a possible because I hate this place. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_nomad

[Insipid]

28 minutes ago, Belize said:

Here's an idea. Suddenly this is less "flight from something horrible" and more of a positive life experience. Even if I do this, I would try to avoid coming back to the US as much a possible because I hate this place. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_nomad

If that's what you want to do, go for it. Traveling the world is fun and enlightening.

[tsar4]

Just saw an interview where Junior said (in reference to the upcoming appointments): We want people who don't think they know better than the President.

So they're looking for even dumber blithering idiots.

[_lost_username_]

So, we know who’s going to be running much of the show: https://www.yahoo.com/news/factbox-susie-wiles-ice-maiden-003556705.html

Curious choice. I figured it would’ve been Miller.

[Jman]

10 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

So, we know who’s going to be running much of the show: https://www.yahoo.com/news/factbox-susie-wiles-ice-maiden-003556705.html

Curious choice. I figured it would’ve been Miller.

Part of me thinks this is a way to try and assuage some of the clear gender issues.

”No, no, he ain’t sexist!  See?  A woman is running a lot of the day to day activities!”

[Raptorpat]

She was a co-chair of his campaign. Miller is too fixated on purifying the country.

[Belize]

I enjoy how people talk about Trump's appointments like they are not eventually going to be betrayed by the man they willingly chose to work for. 

Edited November 8, 2024 by Belize

[Insipid]

35 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

She was a co-chair of his campaign. Miller is too fixated on purifying the country.

lol, purifying. Oh yeah, that's some strong Aryan genes right here.

[Raptorpat]

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/08/13/stephen-miller-is-an-immigration-hypocrite-i-know-because-im-his-uncle-219351/