ghostrek Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 ok Though the guy that made Spirited Away does not like The Lord of the Rings. Because it is one pacifist view And he and his anit- Americanism Despite the fact the middle earth universe are like the better term is a fictional mythology of England? Not just me or I'm offended that it is an American citizen and of Anglo-Saxon ( English ) Heritage Is offering may the way J RR Tokin was A catholic in a historic lead one of the most high catholic countries ever Historically speaking The guy knows what being a minority and underrepresented feels like to a certain degree Although I'm not defending Mr.Tokin or Mr Miyazaki either way Their lack of Nuance in understanding In the works of the one or the other 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 @André Toulon what? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Um, England is not a "high Catholic country." Ever hear of Henry VIII? (Yeah, yeah, I know it's called "Catholic Lite," but still...) Edited March 18 by mthor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I'm not watching that, but I'll just assume it's because the Middle Earth lacks kawaii schoolgirls going on big adventures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 57 minutes ago, mthor said: Um, England is not a "high Catholic country." Ever hear of Henry VIII? (Yeah, yeah, I know it's called "Catholic Lite," but still...) of the yes but there was a lot of anti papists Sentiment Their longest period of time The Anglican communion worldwide is part of the protestant camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 20 minutes ago, ghostrek said: of the yes but there was a lot of anti papists Sentiment Their longest period of time What does this even mean? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 21 minutes ago, mthor said: What does this even mean? there alot of aint-catholic propaganda for centuries in the UK in general ever before the Irish independence movement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 47 minutes ago, ghostrek said: there alot of aint-catholic propaganda for centuries in the UK in general ever before the Irish independence movement 2 hours ago, ghostrek said: may the way J RR Tokin was A catholic in a historic lead one of the most high catholic countries ever My brain hurts. Edited March 18 by mthor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, mthor said: My brain hurts. I am sorry for causing that but I also know he was Catholic that's because JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis were good friends yeah Narnia creator and the creator of Lord of the Rings we're good friends. one was Protestant albeit West commonly know as high Church Protestant I believe and one was Roman Catholic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Are you AI? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 18 Author Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, SwimOdin said: Are you AI? No Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, ghostrek said: I am sorry for causing that but I also know he was Catholic that's because JRR Tolkien and CS Lewis were good friends yeah Narnia creator and the creator of Lord of the Rings we're good friends. one was Protestant albeit West commonly know as high Church Protestant I believe and one was Roman Catholic Stop. Just stop. Yes, J.R.R. Tolkien was Roman Catholic. C.S. Lewis was Anglican. Their offices were down the hall from each other, and they used to share an allegory stick. Anglicans can be high or low church. Technically, Roman Catholicism is considered a high church, but I've never before heard it referred to as such; Catholics are either Roman or Orthodox, and both are equally "high." (and now I wish I was.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, mthor said: Um, England is not a "high Catholic country." Ever hear of Henry VIII? (Yeah, yeah, I know it's called "Catholic Lite," but still...) Ghosty is misspeaking there. The county as a whole isn't "High Catholic," but its relatively small Catholic Church is. Tolkien was part of and highly informed by a comparatively conservative Roman Catholic which, in turn, infuses a religious fundamentalism that was out of step with the rest of Flock even at that time. A subtext to Tolkien's highly symbolic fantasy is, in fact, a fictional alternate mythology to the United Kingdom. Without bothering with the obvious clickbait YT in the OP, it's worth noting that there is a fundamental disconnect between Buddhist philosophic traditions and Judeo/Christian philosophic traditions. The former places greater importance on the environment than the latter, and that difference tends to be more apparent if you attempt to place something like Rings beside any of Miyazaki's morality tales. In Rings, Middle Earth is subject to the battle between good and evil, an almost literal representation of the Garden of Eden. The creatures that inhabit Middle Earth are poisoned by evil just like their environment, but that poisoning tends to be a permanent and destructive gift from heigher powers. In Miyazaki's world, the environment is weakened by the toxic presence of humans but does not lose its core identity through the wounds it receives. The key difference is who the evil presence is. For Tolkien, it's the unseen and unspoken embodiment of evil, Satan. For Miyazaki, it's explicitly humans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 12 minutes ago, mthor said: Technically, Roman Catholicism is considered a high church, but I've never before heard it referred to as such; Catholics are either Roman or Orthodox, and both are equally "high." (and now I wish I was.) There is a clear delineation between conservative and progressive Catholics, and it's always existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnDeRwOrlDpRiNcEsS Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I don't like Lord of the Rings either. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 34 minutes ago, scoobdog said: There is a clear delineation between conservative and progressive Catholics, and it's always existed. Granted. However, if you ask an Anglican if they're high church or low church, you'll get an answer. If you ask a Roman Catholic the same question, you'll get a puzzled look. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, mthor said: Granted. However, if you ask an Anglican if they're high church or low church, you'll get an answer. If you ask a Roman Catholic the same question, you'll get a puzzled look. Well, no. You’ll get a “Pope Francis is ruining the Church,” or “These bishops are not just disrespecting the pontif, they’re disrespecting the Faithful.” We’ve always understood what the analogs to “high” and “low” are, but the current crisis gives outsiders easily defined parallels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) I don't get tags Ghostie, you can't summon me to threads like you do incessantly to others but that OP was hilarious... The turn it took...less so Edited March 18 by André Toulon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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mthor Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 hour ago, scoobdog said: Well, no. You’ll get a “Pope Francis is ruining the Church,” or “These bishops are not just disrespecting the pontif, they’re disrespecting the Faithful.” We’ve always understood what the analogs to “high” and “low” are, but the current crisis gives outsiders easily defined parallels. Well, yes. You will get the answers you state, not whether they are high ("bells and smells") or low (bare bones). Totally off topic: it doesn't matter, because the rest of the world sees the RCC as an amorphous blob anyway. One of my favorite quotes (right up there with the one in my sig) is from Thomas B. Allen's Possessed: The True Story of an Exorcism, about the case that inspired The Exorcist. The possessed child's parents consult their Lutheran minister, who, when it becomes apparent that there is demonic mischief afoot, tells them, "You must go to the Catholics. They know about these things." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 It’s endearing that you guys can interpret what @ghostrekis saying. It’s sweet, borderline parental. i never know what the fuck he’s saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 it's not sweet. it's a schtick, but we're not allowed to talk about it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 3 minutes ago, SwimOdin said: It’s endearing that you guys can interpret what @ghostrekis saying. It’s sweet, borderline parental. i never know what the fuck he’s saying. It's definitely a locked achievement, but it's really just a choose your own adventure kind of thing until he breaks character and becomes completely coherent randomly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Only watched half the video but Miyazaki’s reasons for not liking LotR or American films in general was very valid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 19 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Only watched half the video but Miyazaki’s reasons for not liking LotR or American films in general was very valid The points are valid and I do agree with that but it's over simplification and from later in a video from a cultural Centric point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 23 minutes ago, ghostrek said: The points are valid and I do agree with that but it's over simplification and from later in a video from a cultural Centric point of view. I only saw half but him not liking gratuitous violence, common in our media, and the global spread of that sort of violence, especially since it’s a representation of his people being vilified and killed, I would think it’s not an oversimplification Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 39 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: I only saw half but him not liking gratuitous violence, common in our media, and the global spread of that sort of violence, especially since it’s a representation of his people being vilified and killed, I would think it’s not an oversimplification JRR Tolkien did not mean that to represent the Japanese people but the but the Soviet Union or Russia in general must be Chinese Communists considered the last 1 was published in 1956 or something like that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 I'm not justifying any opinions either person had but each other's culture because frankly I have bad opinion of our culture and I'm American that has ancestry dating back to the revolution 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 12 hours ago, André Toulon said: until he breaks character and becomes completely coherent randomly. 11 hours ago, ghostrek said: The points are valid and I do agree with that but it's over simplification and from later in a video from a cultural Centric point of view. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 11 hours ago, ghostrek said: JRR Tolkien did not mean that to represent the Japanese people but the but the Soviet Union or Russia in general must be Chinese Communists considered the last 1 was published in 1956 or something like that Pretty sure he’s referring to the movie and even if it doesn’t represent the Japanese but instead represent Jews or communists would be no better in Miyazaki’s eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Sauron? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 24 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Pretty sure he’s referring to the movie and even if it doesn’t represent the Japanese but instead represent Jews or communists would be no better in Miyazaki’s eyes. that what i was geting at but never read the books Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 8 minutes ago, nameraka said: Sauron? yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 18 minutes ago, ghostrek said: that what i was geting at but never read the books 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 6 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: no there not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 We all know he's more of a Dune guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) 17 minutes ago, ghostrek said: Nevermind, the point has been made. No need to beat this dead horse Edited March 19 by André Toulon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 16 minutes ago, MasqueradeOverture said: We all know he's more of a Dune guy. who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 27 minutes ago, ghostrek said: no there not Yes they are. Books are stupid. Anyone carrying, or reading them are stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 What have books taught you, Ghostrek? Nothing, that’s what. Watch the movie. Read the cliff notes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted March 19 Author Share Posted March 19 2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: What have books taught you, Ghostrek? Nothing, that’s what. Watch the movie. Read the cliff notes. red october truagth me desperate people will do anything for freedom at least that is partially captain the captain of the Red Octobers arc Plus there's a lesson there with Jack Ryan throughout the Tom Clancy Ryan verse that in the common man can do something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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