Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: You also saw weird ballots where some dem candidates won but the Trump won the state. It's very weird It's why I'm focusing on the obvious economic stuff and the Biden admin's poor optics because the voting for abortion protections and minimum wage increases does not scream "Misogynists yelling at the poor." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 hours ago, ghostrek said: ? @Insipid That one I don't get the Republicans are supposed to be anti-lgbtq but of course conservatism economically and militarily knows no identity Donald Trump has managed to diversify the Republican party. It is quite impressive and horrible. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 54 minutes ago, Jman said: As much of an issue as that might be for some people, it wouldn't work without an entire social media system specifically designed to whitewash (pardon the pun) Trump and put Kamala on the hook for everything from Gaza to to the fact that your average guy is stuck renting eternally. Or the endless YouTube videos bitching about how pop culture has gone too woke and liberal (Which, by the way idiots, if you don't think a second Trump presidency will drive Hollywood and animation even further left, I have some Trump NFT's to sell you). People are not wrong to be upset, but they are supremely dumb to think Donald J Trump, or let's be honest, JD Vance, will do anything to help with that, instead of just setting up their weird theocratic laws that they can. Yes, it was absolute bullshit that Kamala was apparently responsible for everything Biden did/said, but Trump was never held responsible for anything he himself did/said. You know, just like the rest of his life. But with the right-wing propaganda machine formerly known as Twitter fellating every comment he made, no matter how certifiably false it was, along with almost every other media outlet giving him a pass because he brings in viewers/clicks, I suppose this was the natural outcome. I guess I can at least look forward to Trump running up the impeachment scoreboard some more. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, Insipid said: Donald Trump has managed to diversify the Republican party. It is quite impressive and horrible. It's not that difficult when he talks out both sides of his mouth and the average voter just ignores the part they don't like. That's not supposed to be politics, that's religion. 😠 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Dear Joe Biden, Thanks for waiting until 3 months before the election to drop out, asshole. You fucked everyone, you dumbass cunt. Sincerely, Eat shit and die 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Haven't seen Kamala say a word in the wake of this. Should you not at least address your supporters. Since I'm stuck with Duck, I would at least appreciate some kind of statement from my begrudged choice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 It confuses me that my neighbor and friend voted for Donald trump he’s been super nice to me and my mother yet he voted to send trump back to the White House because he thought it would make our lives much better 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, CountFrylock said: It confuses me that my neighbor and friend voted for Donald trump he’s been super nice to me and my mother yet he voted to send trump back to the White House because he thought it would make our lives much better Judging by how many states passed their abortion protections, people voted for Trump on the false belief that he would improve their economic situation. Lower grocery prices, lower housing prices, and getting Israel to agree to a withdrawal from Gaza. Midterms are going to be funny when none of that happens. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Haven't seen Kamala say a word in the wake of this. Should you not at least address your supporters. Since I'm stuck with Duck, I would at least appreciate some kind of statement from my begrudged choice. Especially since this was for the fate of democracy She can’t just say “oh well we’ll get them next time” since trump wants to abolish term limits this was the time to defeat maga once and for all you can’t just smile and accept this outcome before walking away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Despite almost everywhere shifting more to the right, Allegheny county barely did. I guess I can take small comfort in this. Sorry guys. We really tried. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-pennsylvania-president.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Jman said: Judging by how many states passed their abortion protections, people voted for Trump on the false belief that he would improve their economic situation. Lower grocery prices, lower housing prices, and getting Israel to agree to a withdrawal from Gaza. Midterms are going to be funny when none of that happens. He really did think trump would help me and my mothers financial problems he blamed Biden for those Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, CountFrylock said: Especially since this was for the fate of democracy She can’t just say “oh well we’ll get them next time” since trump wants to abolish term limits this was the time to defeat maga once and for all you can’t just smile and accept this outcome before walking away I'm certain she'll make a statement today and concede. She's in shock, along with many Americans. She probably just needs a bit of time to get composed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, Insipid said: I'm certain she'll make a statement today and concede. She's in shock, along with many Americans. She probably just needs a bit of time to get composed. It doesn’t add up because this was a much weaker trump who could only garner support from washed up losers and cult leaders his rallies were a far cry from 2016-2020 yet he won easily. Where did all this support come from? Kamala went to more places while he mostly sat on his ass aside from his usual crack pot rally every once in awhile he didn’t do the town to town community effort like her yet he got their vote he told people that immigrants want to eat your pets and that he would be a tyrant day one yet he won Kevin sorbo had more political drawing power than Taylor swift?! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 22 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Dear Joe Biden, Thanks for waiting until 3 months before the election to drop out, asshole. You fucked everyone, you dumbass cunt. Sincerely, Eat shit and die Eh, I feel like there's a good chance she would've won the primay, anyway. Edited November 6 by PenguinBoss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 What happened with the places where there were bomb threats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 2 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said: Eh, I feel like there's a good chance she would've won the primay, anyway. We would've needed to have one for her beat him in it. Instead we had a start with old guy flubs debate so hard someone had to tap in. This country is bullshit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 51 minutes ago, naraku360 said: We would've needed to have one for her beat him in it. Instead we had a start with old guy flubs debate so hard someone had to tap in. This country is bullshit. I have never hated young guys so much 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: What happened with the places where there were bomb threats? the courts allowed them to stay open late 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Neither Biden nor Kamala have said anything. Not even a tweet. Not to mention how the turnout is somehow 20 million less than last time even with more registration. I’m kind of expecting the other shoe to drop very soon, and I don’t know what it will look like. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Jman said: Neither Biden nor Kamala have said anything. Not even a tweet. Not to mention how the turnout is somehow 20 million less than last time even with more registration. I’m kind of expecting the other shoe to drop very soon, and I don’t know what it will look like. I'm trying my best not to conspiracy this thing but all that secret plan shit and that very discrepancy you point out has me very suspicious. But I pre-ordered my apathy this time so I'll just wait and see if anything pops off 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 There are a lot more dumb takes on social media today than usual. I guess it's understandable. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Democrats need an answer to people like Joe Rogan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, CountFrylock said: Democrats need an answer to people like Joe Rogan The problem with Joe Rogan is that he and many other influencers including Elon and Andrew Tate are really good at taking grievances and then twisting them into unfounded theories based in logic that poses as "Common Sense" Like "oh guys aren't getting girls because they're not as masculine and they're too sensitive and there's too much estrogen in our processed foods and white people are dying out" They build these nonsensical logic chains and young men believe them because they think it will solve their problems. And the problems they have are jobs and being single Harris was never going to appeal to that because she's a non-white female and frankly those audiences have been trained to not respect non-white people or females 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I don't think anyone took this demographic seriously before because they've historically never turned out in large numbers. Trump and his team and Elon and Rogan were able to get them to turn out. And that's fucking scary I'll fucking tell you These kids are lost and I don't think there's any good way to bring them back 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Here's an example of a dumb take, but not even close to the dumbest. My response to it: Actually, the traditional campaigning, fundraising, GOTV does help a lot and makes the difference in lower turnout elections. That's why Democrats won almost every election from 2018 till now. High turnout elections, on the hand, become unwieldy and the traditional campaigning loses its efficiency. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Belize said: Here's an example of a dumb take, but not even close to the dumbest. My response to it: Actually, the traditional campaigning, fundraising, GOTV does help a lot and makes the difference in lower turnout elections. That's why Democrats won almost every election from 2018 till now. High turnout elections, on the hand, become unwieldy and the traditional campaigning loses its efficiency. Honestly I would argue that the reason we had such high turnout from the young guys demographic is because of the digital landscape. I wouldn't put the blame completely on that but it's what mobilized that demographic. Listening to Musk, Rogan, Tate, Shapiro, etc And yeah I think the closest thing we got to the opposite to that was breadtube and the above personalities flourished because of the backlash to more progressive media Edited November 6 by matrixman124 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Like I said before, anyone who expects a second Trump term to see Hollywood move closer to center is deluding themselves. More female led legacy movies, more Current Year cartoons, and more LGBTQ+ representation because Hollywood is going to see it as a moral necessity to provide a counterweight to Trump and later Vance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Jman said: Like I said before, anyone who expects a second Trump term to see Hollywood move closer to center is deluding themselves. More female led legacy movies, more Current Year cartoons, and more LGBTQ+ representation because Hollywood is going to see it as a moral necessity to provide a counterweight to Trump and later Vance. I only see Vance getting into the White House if Trump dies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Jman said: Like I said before, anyone who expects a second Trump term to see Hollywood move closer to center is deluding themselves. More female led legacy movies, more Current Year cartoons, and more LGBTQ+ representation because Hollywood is going to see it as a moral necessity to provide a counterweight to Trump and later Vance. In that case, I hope Hollywood goes bankrupt. Trump's voter base is immensely diversified compared to what it was in 2016. The same rhetoric just is not gonna work anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 My takeaway. We've learned a few things, some of which were admittedly pretty obvious already, but... debates don't matter, running mates don't matter, issues don't matter, and the truth... the truth certainly doesn't matter. What does matter? Two things in my view. Just two things really. Fear. Fear matters. Fear of people that are different, fear of cultural norms changing, and probably most significant -- fear of women gaining an increased level of economic equality and independence that a lot of men are feeling threatened by. That goes right into the other thing then, which I think now is not just people's need to feel better about themselves, but also to feel superior than others. Having an outrageous buffoon out there who can get away with saying and doing pretty much anything without consequence and causing non-stop chaos that drives the smart, sensible people nuts I think simply satiates this need for a lot of people sadly. It's like the trap of reality TV. All the drama, the insanity... it's addicting, cuz when you see people acting so dumb and being driven so crazy by one another, you can't help but feel better about yourself. Thanks to Trump, America's basically become one big reality TV show that we just can't quit. So sorry, but people saying this is about grocery prices. I don't buy it. To me, it's about human nature. Plain and simple. Makes me feel honestly that humanity deserves whatever comes next. Four years down the road still terrifies me, just now not for the reasons I was really hoping it would. I believe America's gonna survive another four years of this, but I don't see a light coming at the end of the proverbial tunnel there. And Ukraine -- they don't have nearly that long I'm afraid. Taiwan probably now, too. South Korea's even at much bigger risk now I think, too. Then there's Poland and the rest of Europe that's gonna be under serious pressure once Putin's finished with Ukraine. Can't believe it's gotten to the point where I'm googling to see which countries in Europe have nuclear weapons. What a world. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 I've been wrong about a lot of things recently, so I'm willing to listen to takes I disagree with. They might be right. But my first impression is Rogan or even Twitter aren't important. A very small minority of the population actually interacts with that media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 12 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: I only see Vance getting into the White House if Trump dies ... in like maybe 2 years from a heart attack. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 5 minutes ago, Belize said: I've been wrong about a lot of things recently, so I'm willing to listen to takes I disagree with. They might be right. But my first impression is Rogan or even Twitter aren't important. A very small minority of the population actually interacts with that media. I am very happy to read this. I was honestly worried about you because of 2016. There is still hope. I think Democrats have a chance to reinvent themselves. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Insipid said: I am very happy to read this. I was honestly worried about you because of 2016. There is still hope. I think Democrats have a chance to reinvent themselves. The Democrats need the left and this should be the wakeup call they need 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Another dumb take below and my response: This thing this person approvingly cites, perhaps as a joke, is still not a scientific poll and it doesn't actually mean anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 hour ago, André Toulon said: I'm trying my best not to conspiracy this thing but all that secret plan shit and that very discrepancy you point out has me very suspicious. But I pre-ordered my apathy this time so I'll just wait and see if anything pops off I mean, the numbers straight up don't make a whole lot of sense. I'm reserving conspiracy shit until more info comes out, but it feels fishy considering the context. I'll be unsurprised if cheating occurred ine way or another, just it should be substantiated before hopping that very probable bandwagon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 My brief take at this point remains that Democratic policy is popular. Abortion, minimum wage, legal weed, all did pretty well. Taxpayer money for private schools did not. But the party itself needs to rebrand and rebuild. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 9 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: The Democrats need the left and this should be the wakeup call they need inb4 they just move more right to appeal to what works. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 1 minute ago, rpgamer said: inb4 they just move more right to appeal to what works. Then they're going to keep losing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belize Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, Insipid said: I am very happy to read this. I was honestly worried about you because of 2016. There is still hope. I think Democrats have a chance to reinvent themselves. 2016, eh? I never really gave my side of the story on what happened then. I was shocked and dismayed by the election results and took time off from being online, without telling anyone. I tried to come back to the ASMB about a month later in late November or early December, to discover the ASMB was deleted. I thought it was unfortunate, but I figured I had much more serious problems to be concerned with. I remember that exact moment, thinking "oh no, the message board I like is gone. normally, that would affect me, but the world it falling apart so we have bigger problems". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 6 minutes ago, rpgamer said: inb4 they just move more right to appeal to what works. Their issue is one of branding, not policy. Moving right on issues just gets rid of the things people like in a vacuum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, Belize said: 2016, eh? I never really gave my side of the story on what happened then. I was shocked and dismayed by the election results and took time off from being online, without telling anyone. I tried to come back to the ASMB about a month later in late November or early December, to discover the ASMB was deleted. I thought it was unfortunate, but I figured I had much more serious problems to be concerned with. I remember that exact moment, thinking "oh no, the message board I like is gone. normally, that would affect me, but the world it falling apart so we have bigger problems". Yeah my wife and I were hit hard by 2016 but I'm honestly just irritated this happened again. And I don't think there was cheating. Trump winning the popular vote by over 5 mil is not a glitch or a sign of cheating It's a symptom of a much bigger problem that this country will have to deal with probably for the rest of our lives 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Jman said: Their issue is one of branding, not policy. Moving right on issues just gets rid of the things people like in a vacuum. I think they're messaging in general sucked because Harris couldn't move away from Biden without contradicting the incumbent government. And I think beyond the whole racism and bigotry, that was what truly fucked her campaign which needed more to inspire people to vote for her. People are not happy about the state of the country and Harris provided policy but nothing quite digestable beyond Abortion Good to really stoke that flame. This is why her turnout was lower than expected I think Edited November 6 by matrixman124 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 13 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: Then they're going to keep losing Stupidity got us into this mess, why shouldn't it get us out? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 4 minutes ago, rpgamer said: Stupidity got us into this mess, why shouldn't it get us out? We need Dem leadership to replace the old fogies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 35 minutes ago, Insipid said: In that case, I hope Hollywood goes bankrupt. Trump's voter base is immensely diversified compared to what it was in 2016. The same rhetoric just is not gonna work anymore. What rhetoric specifically? I don't tend to think Trump's voter base is all that diversified because the message he blasts specifically to uneducated, straight, white older males can work on young males that are not white but still uneducated and straight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Kamala Harris will make a concession speech at 6 maybe it’s already been posted but jic not https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-concede-defeat-trump-evening-speech-sources-say-2024-11-06/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpgamer Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 7 minutes ago, matrixman124 said: We need Dem leadership to replace the old fogies I foresee an AOC-like ticket performing even worse than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, scoobdog said: What rhetoric specifically? I don't tend to think Trump's voter base is all that diversified because the message he blasts specifically to uneducated, straight, white older males can work on young males that are not white but still uneducated and straight. I'm gonna level with you, he's appealing to all young guys. White, black, Hispanic, etc He has diversified the party against women and queer people. Successfully. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted November 6 Share Posted November 6 Just now, rpgamer said: I foresee an AOC-like ticket performing even worse than this. I think if Harris can distinguish herself, she can have a credible second run. She needs to be able to provide clear solutions and clear signs of her support for the people afraid of Trump 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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