Putin: "Stick to the timeline!"

[Nablonsky]

On 6/1/2022 at 4:10 PM, Top Gun said:

"Meh, just let him have Czechoslovakia. That will surely bring peace in our time!"

https://nypost.com/2022/06/03/biden-says-ukraine-might-have-to-give-russia-land/

Biden is finally acknowledging reality, but sure, it's You Guys who are smart and clear-headed here, you who would oppose this type of negotiated settlement even if it would mean an end to the war, and is clearly the best path forward for everyone's interests (ok, maybe not America's imperial interests, but I don't think reducing yet another country to a smoldering lawless wasteland is worth all that, call me crazy)

Edited June 3, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Top Gun]

1 minute ago, Nablonsky said:

https://nypost.com/2022/06/03/biden-says-ukraine-might-have-to-give-russia-land/

Biden is finally acknowledging reality, but sure, it's You Guys who are smart and clear-headed here, you who would oppose this type of negotiated settlement even if it would mean an end to the war, and is clearly the best path forward for everyone's interests (ok, maybe not America's imperial interests, but I don't think reducing yet another country to a smoldering lawless wasteland is worth all that, call me crazy)

Yes, Nabs, please do tell the class what a sovereign European country being invaded by a despot and having land forcibly taken from them has to do with "America's imperial interests." You sure seem willing to bend the knee to Putin.

[Nablonsky]

3 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

You sure seem willing to bend the knee to Putin.

Lol uh huh, so Biden is too then right? The guy currently at war with Russia who is saying the same thing I am but more diplomatically?

5 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

has to do with "America's imperial interests

America and its nuclear-armed European friends fighting Russia in Ukraine, at the expense of the country and people of Ukraine, is good for America's imperialist interests. That's why so many of the worst people in America don't want the war to end, it hurts Russia and is good for USA's weapons-dealing business and imperialist aims at global domination. 

[Top Gun]

Biden's own quote in that article doesn't match what the headline does (shocking for the bastion of journalistic integrity that is the NYP), but I'm assuming you didn't even read that far.

"At the expense of the country and people of Ukraine." You really think we're going to buy the bullshit you're shoveling for a single moment? No one gives a fuck, Nabs.

[Nablonsky]

1 minute ago, Top Gun said:

Biden's own quote in that article doesn't match what the headline does (shocking for the bastion of journalistic integrity that is the NYP), but I'm assuming you didn't even read that far.

Yes, it does. Stop denying reality. 

Headline - Biden says Ukraine might have to give Russia land in ‘negotiated settlement’

“Does Ukraine have to cede territory to achieve peace?” a reporter asked Biden after his remarks on the May jobs report.

Biden's quote - 

“From the beginning, I’ve said and I’ve been — not everyone’s agreed with me — nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine,” Biden began his answer. “It’s their territory. I’m not going to tell them what they should and shouldn’t do."

“But it appears to me that at some point along the line, there’s going to have to be a negotiated settlement here,” the president added. “and what that entails, i don’t know. i don’t think anybody knows at the time. but in the meantime, we’re gonna continue to put the ukrainians in a position where they can defend themselves.”

 

Imagine hearing the President declaring that a negotiated settlement between Russia and Ukraine seems inevitable, but still choosing to believe that he isn't suggesting Ukraine might have to cede some of its territory which Russia currently controls to Russia. . .

So tell me @Top Gun, if not control over territory then what in the world do you think would be negotiated in such a settlement between Russia and Ukraine....? It's quite obvious what is being said here. 

[Top Gun]

"I'm not going to tell them what they should and shouldn't do." "What that entails, I don't know." If Ukraine decides it's in their best interests to cede territory, then that's their call, but they haven't said any such thing yet, and that's exactly what Biden is acknowledging. In fact, Zelensky has said the exact opposite, and good on him.

[Nablonsky]

15 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

If Ukraine decides it's in their best interests to cede territory, then that's their call, but they haven't said any such thing yet, and that's exactly what Biden is acknowledging. In fact, Zelensky has said the exact opposite, and good on him.

Uhh yeah, I saw that too, in the very quote I posted...

I didn't say Biden was publicly demanding that Ukraine cede territory to Russia, so idk why you decided to post this response. 

He is publicly suggesting that Ukraine may have to cede territory to Russia in a negotiated settlement, of which he said there is "going to have to be" one. Idk how you read this any other possible way. 

20 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

So tell me @Top Gun, if not control over territory then what in the world do you think would be negotiated in such a settlement between Russia and Ukraine....?

 

Edited June 3, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Top Gun]

How the fuck do I know? I'm not versed in high-level diplomatic negotiations. What I do know is that I want to keep giving Ukraine the ability to drive these motherfuckers back so that Putin doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of demanding so much as a postage stamp of terrain.

[stilgar]

Why does nabs hate Ukrainians so much? It's like the took his covid money or something. 

[Nablonsky]

1 hour ago, Top Gun said:

What I do know is that I want to keep giving Ukraine the ability to drive these motherfuckers back so that Putin doesn't have a leg to stand on in terms of demanding so much as a postage stamp of terrain.

Right, you would prefer that America's ongoing proxy war with Russia continued indefinitely instead of it ending soon on the basis of an agreement in which Ukraine cedes some amount of Russia-controlled Ukranian territory to Russia. 

I think that's sick and deranged and exemplifies a callous disregard for not only the people in Ukraine, but elsewhere in the world when you consider all the far-reaching ramifications of this war going on much longer. 

Peace, not war, is what is needed now. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Top Gun]

You are literally Neville Chamberlain.

[Nablonsky]

6 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

You are literally Neville Chamberlain.

 

On 6/1/2022 at 11:57 AM, Nablonsky said:

Ceding the Donbas to Russia is, in reality, a minor concession to Putin — it is partially Russia-controlled already — that would also potentially allow him to exit the war, since all authoritarian rulers are deeply sensitive to the perception at home that their military conquests are unsuccessful. Ukraine, as has been discussed before, can pledge never to join NATO. In turn, Ukraine will maintain its sovereignty, can stop sacrificing its soldiers and civilians, and will be able to further integrate, culturally and economically, into Europe. Hawks will misconstrue this as appeasement and tirelessly invoke Neville Chamberlain, as if all modern foreign policy were an exact repetition of a war fought 80 years ago. Nazi Germany conquered France in a matter of weeks; Putin’s Russia cannot even get close to Odesa.

American hawks, if they choose, can declare a partial victory. They can credit their support for Ukraine’s military as the reason why such a peace was secured, even if an agreement could have been reached sooner without as much bloodshed. The endgame of the war must be a negotiated settlement, and, yes, it will be up to the U.S. to broker one. The sooner the Biden administration and its European allies move to aggressively bring Moscow and Kyiv to the table, in spite of those like the U.K.’s Johnson who would rather scuttle such talks, the sooner the slaughter can end. Diplomacy is not appeasement. It is the only way out.

 

[Nablonsky]

Imagine standing with Boris Johnson on the side *against* urgently ending this war. 

There is so much at stake here, the moralizing tears and feefees of insulated tubby Americans doesn't even register, sorry. 

https://abcnews.go.com/International/russias-blockade-odesa/story?id=85083666

 

Quote

The Russian threat at sea means there is no safe route for commercial vessels to exit and vast quantities of food exports are stuck in Ukraine's Black Sea ports.

It is becoming "a disaster" for Ukrainian farmers.

"If the ports don't open soon, we are stuck with the crops," said Kees Huizinga, who owns a 40,000-acre farm in Kyshchentsi in the Cherkasy region, south of Kyiv.

His business would gradually run out of money, he told ABC News, and planting for next year's harvest is already at risk.

Huizinga predicted the world's food supply could be "disrupted for the coming decade" if the situation isn't solved soon.

However, the blockade is having a ripple effect far beyond Ukraine.

The U.N.'s World Food Programme said global food prices have risen sharply since Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine and vulnerable communities in parts of East Africa are at risk.

Even before Russia attacked Ukraine, the WFP was forecasting a year of "catastrophic hunger," because global resources were not keeping pace with demand.

In the first month of the war, export prices for wheat and maize rose by 22% and 20%, respectively, "on top of steep rises in 2021," according to the WFP.

WFP Executive Director David Beasley told ABC News the war is a "catastrophe on top of a catastrophe."

"The world demands [that the ports open], because hundreds of millions of people globally depend on food that comes through these ports," Beasley said.

 

 

This is a looming humanitarian disaster and it is not sufficient to simply blame Putin for all of the preventable deaths that American war hawks seem willing and eager to sacrifice in order to make some stupid point. 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Nablonsky]

American empire hawks telling the hundreds of millions of people facing increasing food shortages and widespread hunger the longer this war goes on - "Sorry," but Putin is just such a bad guy that we couldn't stand to cede an inch of anything to him. We can't lift sanctions or prioritize diplomacy over combat or do anything to bring an end this war just because untold lives hang in the balance, that would appease Putin Who Is Hitler, so mass starvation is an acceptable sacrifice. 

[Top Gun]

So tell me, what happens when Putin decides that Moldova is next on the buffet? Or Georgia? Or any of the other surrounding territories with would-be breakaway regions? Do we keep letting him nibble away at those because of the threat of him holding the rest of the planet hostage? Are you cool with that?

[Nablonsky]

12 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

So tell me, what happens when Putin decides that Moldova is next on the buffet? Or Georgia? Or any of the other surrounding territories with would-be breakaway regions?

Your warmongering fanfiction has no bearing on this discussion about the material fact that, in reality, this war going on any longer is going to bring about global disaster. It must be brought to an end...and not by shelling Russia into submission, that isn't ending the war, that is propagating it indefinitely and filing all of the resulting humanitarian disasters away as the cost of doing business, noble sacrifices to prevent the *next* Russian war.

The ongoing/endless American invasions and occupations, the illegal drone and bombing campaigns and war crimes and daily extrajudicial killings we commit across many sovereign countries, those are all fine. AFRICOM, whatever, nothing to see there. The spectre of Putin one day "nibbling away" at Moldova, though...! 

Edited June 4, 2022 by Nablonsky

[naraku360]

On 6/1/2022 at 5:10 PM, Nablonsky said:

Everybody always has very good reasons for why the USA constantly needs to conduct new regime change wars continents away and reduce entire countries to lawless semi-permanent war zones.

Only America is ever allowed to use its military to attack other countries, Russia doing so is absolutely intolerable, and it would be better for Ukraine to be completely destroyed than to cede one inch to Putin, according to you people. 

Dude.

Seriously.

Take a break from the internet, find a therapist, and maybe come back when you're willing to read what people are saying.

Because that's not what anyone said.

[cyberbully]

I mean, withdrawing our troops and conceding to Putin would basically be the same shit from Vietnam....tell the Ukraine to take this settlement, they reluctantly agree, we pull out, putin never stops, pulls a Saigon and we renege on our agreement. 

I need to do some research, but i think the war contined after the peace agreement because the Soviet union urged them to.

But fuck it, im sure Putin is a stand up guy and will definitely abide by his word

[Seight]

7 hours ago, Top Gun said:

So tell me, what happens when Putin decides that Moldova is next on the buffet? Or Georgia? Or any of the other surrounding territories with would-be breakaway regions? Do we keep letting him nibble away at those because of the threat of him holding the rest of the planet hostage? Are you cool with that?

I literally was about to post "There's no value in telling him a Russia that also has Ukraine and/or Moldova or Georgia would be a harder Russia to deal with later and that's why everyone's trying to deal with it NOW."

[tsar4]

Geez Alessandro, tell us how you really feel.

[Nablonsky]

6 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

Certified right-wing 🤡 shit. 

[_lost_username_]

On 6/4/2022 at 5:14 AM, Seight said:

I literally was about to post "There's no value in telling him a Russia that also has Ukraine and/or Moldova or Georgia would be a harder Russia to deal with later and that's why everyone's trying to deal with it NOW."

I'm at a point right now where I'm wondering if there's any chance for peace as long as the Rus Federation continues to exist in its current form. Even with Putin gone, it's still got a population indoctrinated with nationalism and dreams of recapturing its former territorial glory. We're kind of looking at a combination of Nazi Germany's early days, which was fueled by resentment of imagined enemies at home and abroad, and later day Rome, which was desperate to hold on to its former glory. 

[tsar4]

Putin thinks himself a modern Peter the Great.

[naraku360]

On 6/3/2022 at 6:16 PM, Nablonsky said:

Right, you would prefer that America's ongoing proxy war with Russia continued indefinitely instead of it ending soon on the basis of an agreement in which Ukraine cedes some amount of Russia-controlled Ukranian territory to Russia. 

I think that's sick and deranged and exemplifies a callous disregard for not only the people in Ukraine, but elsewhere in the world when you consider all the far-reaching ramifications of this war going on much longer. 

Peace, not war, is what is needed now. 

So.... war good when Russia do it because Russia not 'Murica?

[Nablonsky]

Just now, naraku360 said:

So.... war good when Russia do it because Russia not 'Murica?

No, of course not. This is just trolling. 

[Master-Debater131]

New job for a putin aid: Turd Burglar.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-bodyguards-collect-his-poop-every-time-travels-abroad-report-2022-6

 

Apparently the FSB is collecting his crap whenever he travels so no one can collect it and examine it for signs of whatever is apparently killing him.

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

No, of course not. This is just trolling. 

What's your stance?

Should Russia have invaded or not?

[Nablonsky]

17 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

What's your stance?

Should Russia have invaded or not?

What a ridiculous question. Who in their right mind would say yes to this? Why would you even ask this, where are you even getting this shit? Are you literally just trolling? "I don't know, you seem pretty against everything America is doing over there!!"

"Is the war in Ukraine good? Is it good that Russia invaded Ukraine, do you support that invasion you Putinist?"

This doesn't even warrant a response but you gone one anyway because I'm just that magnanimous. But wtf, though. 

[scoobdog]

5 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

What a ridiculous question. Who in their right mind would say yes to this? Why would you even ask this, where are you even getting this shit? Are you literally just trolling? "I don't know, you seem pretty against everything America is doing over there!!"

"Is the war in Ukraine good? Is it good that Russia invaded Ukraine, do you support that invasion you Putinist?"

This doesn't even warrant a response but you gone one anyway because I'm just that magnanimous. But wtf, though. 

Is this considered "inclusive?"  I mean, I raku is a a very standup member of these boards, so naturally you would never say this to belittle or anything.  And, yet, sometimes we unintentionally say things that nonetheless come across as condescending and hurtful.

Just my impartial observation... I too want to make these boards a more welcoming place.

[stilgar]

I like that nabs didn't answer the simple yes or no question. It is telling honestly.

[naraku360]

4 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

What a ridiculous question. Who in their right mind would say yes to this? Why would you even ask this, where are you even getting this shit? Are you literally just trolling? "I don't know, you seem pretty against everything America is doing over there!!"

"Is the war in Ukraine good? Is it good that Russia invaded Ukraine, do you support that invasion you Putinist?"

This doesn't even warrant a response but you gone one anyway because I'm just that magnanimous. But wtf, though. 

When every post is about how justified Russia is, it shouldn't come as a surprise that people question your motives.

[Seight]

*makes multiple posts implying and/or saying anyone that supports Ukraine is just bandwagoning*

*when asked if Russia was justified in invading says "well of course not!"*

MANY SUCH CASES

 

[Sieg67]

11 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

New job for a putin aid: Turd Burglar.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-bodyguards-collect-his-poop-every-time-travels-abroad-report-2022-6

 

Apparently the FSB is collecting his crap whenever he travels so no one can collect it and examine it for signs of whatever is apparently killing him.

I heard a few years back that the US also does this with our presidents.

Not that I wish that Putin is in good health.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Sieg67

[tsar4]

20 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

New job for a putin aid: Turd Burglar.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/putin-bodyguards-collect-his-poop-every-time-travels-abroad-report-2022-6

 

Apparently the FSB is collecting his crap whenever he travels so no one can collect it and examine it for signs of whatever is apparently killing him.

"Hi Honey, you're home early...So what does your new job with the FSB entail?"

[Sieg67]

....What do they do if they have the squirts?

[Top Gun]

"Okay, get the bucket!"

[katt_goddess]

3 hours ago, Sieg67 said:

....What do they do if they have the squirts?

Say to hell with it and hope the toilet isn't broken.

[tsar4]

5 hours ago, tsar4 said:

"Hi Honey, you're home early...So what does your new job with the FSB entail?"

https://mobile.twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1534959744967921668

[tsar4]

5 hours ago, Top Gun said:

"Okay, get the bucket!"

This made me think of "Muleskinner Blues".

[tsar4]

Just another Celeb doing something really nice...

[Nablonsky]

Omg wait, wait wait wait, you're telling me that US sanctions not only aren't effective achieving their geopolitical goal, but that they're only hurting regular poor people in the country being sanctioned???

WHO COULD HAVE PREDICTED THIS?

 

 

[Nablonsky]

Also it seems like that 40 billion in weapons of war we sent to Ukraine evaporated overnight. Ukranian government is just endlessly begging for more weapons and money to continue fighting this war and constantly crying that without more weapons they don't stand a chance of winning a war against Russia.....

No shit, they never stood a chance. Not without turning this into a full scale America vs Russia nuclear powered hot war. 

America needs to stop funding its selfish little exploitive proxy war against Russia in Ukraine so that this madness can finally end. 

End the war. Make peace. Find a compromise. This is what needs to be done, not sending infinitely more weapons into a fucking war zone on Russia's border. This war cannot continue raging for the rest of the year or longer, that's an insane policy for America to support. That would be a humanitarian disaster for so many people in Ukraine and around the world and lead to so much more death than we have already seen. 

On 6/3/2022 at 9:16 PM, Nablonsky said:

Peace, not war, is what is needed now. 

But then, shipping out weapons of war and our imperialist military & intelligence agents to exploit desperate people in desperate situations to further our own imperialist goals is the only thing the US empire ever knows how to do. That and crippling sanctions which kill and starve poor people and children is basically what our entire foreign policy consists of, and it is poison. 

Edited June 15, 2022 by Nablonsky

[Nablonsky]

On 6/10/2022 at 9:01 PM, naraku360 said:

When every post is about how justified Russia is, it shouldn't come as a surprise that people question your motives.

Why don't you go find one of my "every posts"  about how "justified" Russia is for waging war against Ukraine and we can talk about it specifically, otherwise idk what to do with this. 

[PenguinBoss]

10 minutes ago, Nablonsky said:

Also it seems like that 40 billion in weapons of war we sent to Ukraine evaporated overnight. Ukranian government is just endlessly begging for more weapons and money to continue fighting this war and constantly crying that without more weapons they don't stand a chance of winning a war against Russia.....

No shit, they never stood a chance. Not without turning this into a full scale America vs Russia nuclear powered hot war. 

America needs to stop funding its selfish little exploitive proxy war against Russia in Ukraine so that this madness can finally end. 

End the war. Make peace. Find a compromise. This is what needs to be done, not sending infinitely more weapons into a fucking war zone on Russia's border. This war cannot continue raging for the rest of the year or longer, that's an insane policy for America to support. That would be a humanitarian disaster for so many people in Ukraine and around the world and lead to so much more death than we have already seen. 

But then, shipping out weapons of war and our imperialist military & intelligence agents to exploit desperate people in desperate situations to further our own imperialist goals is the only thing the US empire ever knows how to do. That and crippling sanctions which kill and starve poor people and children is basically what our entire foreign policy consists of, and it is poison. 

Exactly what peace and compromise do you expect to find with Putin?

[stilgar]

3 hours ago, PenguinBoss said:

Exactly what peace and compromise do you expect to find with Putin?

Nabs thinks we need to give putin everything he wants and if we don't we are evil imperialists stepping on a poor tiny country that has no power to make their own decisions.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, Nablonsky said:

Why don't you go find one of my "every posts"  about how "justified" Russia is for waging war against Ukraine and we can talk about it specifically, otherwise idk what to do with this. 

 

On 3/3/2022 at 5:08 AM, Nabreezy said:

https://consortiumnews.com/2022/03/01/chris-hedges-the-greatest-evil/

Lynn - "Russia was baited into war but that does not absolve its criminal act of aggression."

 

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On 4/11/2022 at 4:05 PM, Nablonsky said:

Maybe don't take everything any given Azov Nazi says at face value? Because they're fucking Nazis?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukrainian-president-zelenskiy-says-russian-forces-could-use-chemical-weapons-2022-04-11/

Unconfirmed, and after all that we've seen Zelensky like about only to later be proven dishonest, I think if there were even a chance it was true he would already be saying it happened. But "we'll see" I guess! There's only nuclear war at stake, the important thing is that rightwing American warmongers like you are having fun splashing shit water around. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 12:44 PM, Nablonsky said:

The only one they'll talk about is the most tame video of Ukranians executing a single wounded dying Russian, all the other much more horrific videos just exist in this semi permanent stasis as ""unverified"" because they're inconvenient right now. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 12:59 PM, Nablonsky said:

Ukranians do war crimes - zero mention of their existence by anyone in this thread. 

The fakest allegations about "possible, unconfirmed reports" indicating Russia may be using chemical weapons - OMG WHEN WILL THE MADNESS STOP

 

On 4/12/2022 at 1:07 PM, Nablonsky said:

"May use" as in, in the future....

So, then, those Azov claims you amplified yesterday claiming that chemical weapons were used in Mariupol were...false?

 

On 4/12/2022 at 5:17 PM, Nablonsky said:

There are many more videos than just these circulating online. It is not comparable, the hesitation and slow walking and constant over-qualifying and tempered language and general lack of coverage in MSM of war crimes committed by Ukranians* vs the volume of obvious fanfiction and desperate lies and propaganda coming out of Ukraine which our war hungry media broadcasts and trumpets largely uncritically, with little subsequent coverage of these propaganda stories having been quickly proven false. 

*and the US, and Israel, and Saudi Arabia, etc etc. Everyone sees how this works. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 8:39 PM, Nablonsky said:

Why don't you go tell Gaza all about just how little time it took for people like you and Feeble Brandon to gaze at the magic eye trick picture version of what is happening in Ukraine that we're getting here on the other side of the world and recognize and call out 'genocide' there. So uniquely quick to do so there. That must just be because it's so obviously and clearly happening!! Not like in Other Places to Other People

 

On 4/12/2022 at 8:55 PM, Nablonsky said:

Stating the obvious fact that this is not genocide doesn't mean I am ok with it, it means I do not support the cynical use of these cheap, shamelessly desperate tactics and semantic tricks being deployed by the presidents of Ukraine and America for political propaganda purposes. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 8:58 PM, Nablonsky said:

Chemical weapons does not mean any chemical being used on people. The chemical weapons convention does not consider tear gas a chemical weapon which is the tier of lethal toxins that warmongers are invoking when they amplify false flags about "chemical weapons" being used in war zones. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 9:02 PM, Nablonsky said:

...like the article I shared highlights, the newsworthy part about Biden declaring genocide in Ukraine is the extreme rarity with which that ever happens....only a single digit number of times ever has the US recognized "genocide" by name.... And it's happening here and now. This naturally leads to asking why it isn't also applied in situations where it's, you know, actually happening, either with us as the culprits or our allies who we sell the weapons to and provide critical support which allow them to carry out the genocide, in addition to providing the political cover necessary to prevent international intervention and the rule of law from interfering with the USA-approved genocidal programs. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 9:14 PM, Nablonsky said:

You don't know what genocide means. It isn't disparate deaths, it is about the intent to kill virtually everyone of a particular ethnicity, nationality, etc. That is objective not what is happening here. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Russia is trying to kill all or most Ukranians. That is not the reason Russia is waging this war. The goals and motivations are not to kill the people, that is happening as a byproduct. Ukranians are dying but this is what happens in war. That does not = genocide, whatsoever. Educate yourself. 

 

On 4/12/2022 at 10:11 PM, Nablonsky said:

If you support the Team America bloc getting to punish any and every given country and leader in the world whenever they momentarily mirror the former's regular course of behavior, you are enabling them to maintain their hegemony, wielding the concept of intl law and human rights as a perveted political weapon while they of course execute with impunity innumerable more atrocities than any of their politically convicted opponents. This..... Cannot be strongly denied.

This is a lot of playing defense for Russia.

To the point of being unwilling to so much as acknowledge that a genocide was the intent, failure or not. If I point a gun at someone, fire, and miss, it's still the crime of attempted murder. If Russia attempts a genocide and fails, the fact they tried a genocide still stands (this was the point I was making).

This wasn't the worst of it, which was moved to other threads. You were quite literally doing the right's "ORANGE MAN BAD!!!!" meme for Putin.

Edited June 15, 2022 by naraku360

[tsar4]

Not sure if this is really how pompous Putin is, or if it just looks like him...

[Sawdamizer]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/4axg9j/ukrainians-will-write-your-message-on-munitions-aimed-at-russians-for-donations
 

best $40 ever

Edited June 20, 2022 by Sawdamizer

[tsar4]

13 hours ago, Sawdamizer said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en/article/4axg9j/ukrainians-will-write-your-message-on-munitions-aimed-at-russians-for-donations
 

best $40 ever

I've got a couple ideas...

[tsar4]

Earlier in the day, she claimed that Russia isn't involved in war in Ukraine or even a "Special Operation" but that there is a civil war in Ukraine, with Russia helping those sympathetic to Russia.