Should disinformation be protected by the 1st Amendment?

[_lost_username_]

Alright wannabe policy makers and constitutional experts, lets see you flex.

Misinformation - Incorrect or misleading information. aka, mistakenly saying something you misheard or non-bad intentioned wrong belief.

Disinformation -  misleading content deliberately spread to deceive people, or to secure economic or political gain and which may cause public harm.

This is about Disinformation NOT Misinformation, so understanding the difference is key.

The current supreme court holds that disinformation is covered by the first amendment. 

The question is: Should it be? Please explain your answer. Both legal and moral arguments are acceptable. 

If you don't think disinformation is protected, say how you what should of laws should be in place against it, how they should be enforced and what punishments are appropriate.

Have fun!

[André Toulon]

Hard for me to have a moral opinion on shit when it legally is a certain way. I dont really do wishful thinking.... but my answer would be since hate speech is unless it leads to violence or some shit, then Disinformation should share that same liberty..... why tf not... it's going to be arbitrarily enforced anyway.

I know its probably not what you wanted in an answer but the whole "do you think this law is just" barometer has been broken for me for a while..

 

Edited April 10 by André Toulon

[Insipid]

  On 4/9/2025 at 8:12 PM, _lost_username_ said:

Alright wannabe policy makers and constitutional experts, lets see you flex.

 

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What an insufferable display of pseudo-intellect, or perhaps I should say psychological projection. Bitching about an administration is not the same thing as wanting to be a politician.

Don't get me started on why you changed your SN, which is very relevant to the topic on hand. In the current shitty days of Trump, one should shoot the messenger, especially if he is a hypocrite.

Edited April 10 by Insipid

[[classic swim]]

[naraku360]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:23 AM, Insipid said:

Don't get me started on why you changed your SN, which is very relevant to the topic on hand.

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Get started!

[_lost_username_]

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I dont really do wishful thinking....

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To be fair, doesn't pretty much everything we have today start as wishful thinking? Trumpism started as wishful thinking with the far right decades before it manifested. The Great Society -- pretty much the same story but an earlier time frame. The Civil Rights movement was wishful thinking centuries before it happened. Putting a person on the moon just a fantasy for thousands of years. You never know what little bit of wishful thinking can turn into "something." Of course, that something may not manifest for a few hundred years but you can still put it out there and it makes it down the chain even though nobody will ever have an idea it came from you. We have no idea where the idea that "genocide is wrong" and "women are people too" came from, probably just some forgotten person mentioning it one day around someone that heard and told someone else and so on until it was eventually written and then eventually accepted and then eventually acted upon ... kind of like the chaos theory of a butterfly flapping its wings. 

Where is fucking Gaius? He'd be a novel into this right now arguing from whatever wing he decided to be at that point. 

[André Toulon]

I didnt mean to imply wishful thinking is bad, but I'm an S tier cynic, so o6t just doesn't work for me....anyone else that gets their ideologies to shift into the realm of praxis, more power to them....but i just dont see me doing it.

[1pooh4u]

  On 4/10/2025 at 2:23 AM, Insipid said:

What an insufferable display of pseudo-intellect, or perhaps I should say psychological projection. Bitching about an administration is not the same thing as wanting to be a politician.

Don't get me started on why you changed your SN, which is very relevant to the topic on hand. In the current shitty days of Trump, one should shoot the messenger, especially if he is a hypocrite.

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Is this Gemini or Icarus? Or someone else altogether? 

[Insipid]

 

  On 4/11/2025 at 2:43 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Is this Gemini or Icarus? Or someone else altogether? 

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ZoomBubba

[1pooh4u]

  On 4/11/2025 at 2:55 PM, Insipid said:

 

ZoomBubba

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Thanks I was way off but tbf I couldn’t remember their name originally and didn’t feel like saying “or that libertarian guy” 🫠

Gem shouldn’t have been in the mix. I should have known better. The post was too smart for them 😆

[discolé monade]

no

because

[Raptorpat]

I'm just sitting here and thinking to myself, not sure how you would draw anything but a fairly conservative line on how to legally distinguish it. To the extend that it's a "I know it when I see it" that entails a lot of subjectivity, I feel like the only reasonable line is probably similar to defamation where you have to litigate the absolute truth and the intended harm etc. which is a high bar and an even higher bar when you're talking about the enhanced speech rights that media and politicians have (in the context of defamation).

[SwimOdin]

According to Brandenburg vs Ohio, it’s fine as long as the speech isn’t “directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action"

So yes it is but it isn’t, because we can’t decide the legal definition of “facilitate” let alone anything else.

[molarbear]

  On 4/11/2025 at 2:55 PM, Insipid said:

 

ZoomBubba

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Dafuq??

I have been on this boards for longer than I care to admit

yet, somehow you people still manage pull in peeps from the past I have never heard of?

 

Is it really too much to ask that Marren Morris secretly scroll these boards and be revealed?

[naraku360]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:55 AM, molarbear said:

Dafuq??

I have been on this boards for longer than I care to admit

yet, somehow you people still manage pull in peeps from the past I have never heard of?

 

Is it really too much to ask that Marren Morris secretly scroll these boards and be revealed?

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I believe ZoomBubba was Sandstone.

[Insipid]

  On 4/11/2025 at 3:35 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Thanks I was way off but tbf I couldn’t remember their name originally and didn’t feel like saying “or that libertarian guy” 🫠

Gem shouldn’t have been in the mix. I should have known better. The post was too smart for them 😆

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I feel somewhat bad for Gem. The highlight of his life is being cucked by an ogre, and now all that's left is being a middle aged catfishing creep we millennials were warned about during the days of AIM.

I'm exercising my freedom of speech, and it is not disinformation. I have no qualms being censored for this post, however. 💩

[1pooh4u]

You’re such a scamp! 😆

[molarbear]

  On 4/13/2025 at 12:43 AM, naraku360 said:

I believe ZoomBubba was Sandstone.

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ahhhhhhhh

I stand by my old person rant,

you peeps change names way too much

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

  On 4/13/2025 at 12:43 AM, naraku360 said:

I believe ZoomBubba was Sandstone.

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Are you sure? This seems so unlikely to me.

[scoobdog]

  On 4/13/2025 at 12:43 AM, naraku360 said:

I believe ZoomBubba was Sandstone.

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He is not Sandstone.

[André Toulon]

  On 4/13/2025 at 7:14 AM, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Are you sure? This seems so unlikely to me.

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Nah, not at all....Sandstone is quite distinct and obvious to me.  He will do a lot of things like create false narratives, go full non sequitur and spaz if someone challenges his point, or at worst use passive aggressive insults....but going stealth just doesn't seem sandstone to me.  Dude is....i won't say egotistical....but he definitely wants to be noticed.

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[naraku360]

  On 4/13/2025 at 7:36 AM, scoobdog said:

He is not Sandstone.

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Wtf then who is ZoomBubba?

[naraku360]

  On 4/13/2025 at 7:14 AM, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Are you sure? This seems so unlikely to me.

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  On 4/13/2025 at 7:39 AM, André Toulon said:

Nah, not at all....Sandstone is quite distinct and obvious to me.  He will do a lot of things like create false narratives, go full non sequitur and spaz if someone challenges his point, or at worst use passive aggressive insults....but going stealth just doesn't seem sandstone to me.  Dude is....i won't say egotistical....but he definitely wants to be noticed.

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All I know is someone told me ZoomBubba and Sandstone were the same person, so I just went with it. I know very little about either, and less about OP.

[André Toulon]

100% sure that was a nabs thing. 

[naraku360]

  On 4/13/2025 at 8:15 AM, André Toulon said:

100% sure that was a nabs thing. 

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[scoobdog]

  On 4/13/2025 at 7:39 AM, André Toulon said:

Nah, not at all....Sandstone is quite distinct and obvious to me.  He will do a lot of things like create false narratives, go full non sequitur and spaz if someone challenges his point, or at worst use passive aggressive insults....but going stealth just doesn't seem sandstone to me.  Dude is....i won't say egotistical....but he definitely wants to be noticed.

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The sure fire way of knowing it’s Sandstone is him extolling a full throated, almost pure, hatred for me.

[The Evil Dr. Longshadow]

If anybody spreads bullshit, it eventually gets found out in a free society.  That's the marketplace of ideas.  In places where the government controls the whole marketplace, it's too often that the bullshit prevails and the facts remain hidden.

[Doom Metal Alchemist]

  On 4/13/2025 at 4:51 PM, scoobdog said:

The sure fire way of knowing it’s Sandstone is him extolling a full throated, almost pure, hatred for me.

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Then what's the difference between Sandstone and Nabs?

[scoobdog]

  On 4/14/2025 at 12:40 PM, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Then what's the difference between Sandstone and Nabs?

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Nabs didn't hate me, he just wanted me to stuff him like a burrito. Sandstone, though, like legit thought I was making fun of his mental state.  I think he's cool now, but I can't be too sure....

[naraku360]

  On 4/14/2025 at 12:40 PM, Doom Metal Alchemist said:

Then what's the difference between Sandstone and Nabs?

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The butt-to-brain worm ratio.

[ghostrek]

as psywar done by foreign power no. but just people not knowing better yes 

 

 

[scoobdog]

  On 4/15/2025 at 11:08 PM, ghostrek said:

as psywar done by foreign power no. but just people not knowing better yes 

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People "not knowing better" isn't misinformation - people misrepresenting an opinion as fact is misinformation and is not protected by the first amendment.

[_lost_username_]

  On 4/13/2025 at 7:39 AM, André Toulon said:

Nah, not at all....Sandstone is quite distinct and obvious to me.  He will do a lot of things like create false narratives, go full non sequitur and spaz if someone challenges his point, or at worst use passive aggressive insults....but going stealth just doesn't seem sandstone to me.  Dude is....i won't say egotistical....but he definitely wants to be noticed.

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He also likes to talk about his huge penis when he gets the chance.

[_lost_username_]

  On 4/12/2025 at 4:55 AM, molarbear said:

Dafuq??

I have been on this boards for longer than I care to admit

yet, somehow you people still manage pull in peeps from the past I have never heard of?

 

Is it really too much to ask that Marren Morris secretly scroll these boards and be revealed?

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I was Josey when I registered on ASMB in 2003. I was Zoombubba for a bit then got tired of it and went for a placeholder that I currently use. For some reason gained a following of people who like to follow me around and state that I did that. I'm triggering I guess, even though I have a life and no idea what it's about.

[Insipid]

Look at that ego and pathetic attempt at gaslighting.

[André Toulon]

I guess this is as good a place as any since its topical.

This entire time i was under the impression the Karmelo Anthony that is under fire for stabbing his teammate was the son of Carmelo Anthony. Its being broadcast in ESPN radio, so i assumed they were related.

But no...this is just some random TX kid. 

Granted, no one has said "son of Carmelo Anthony" but wtf was i supposed to think when this info is followed by NBA highlights.

I guess its not mis or dis information....kinda like another thing of half truths with implications.

Theres also the possibility that I'm dumb, but I'm not biting that bullet for this situation.