Jman Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 2 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: The end doesn’t justify the means though imo No it does not. I also expect the protestors to say nothing. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 7 Share Posted November 7 12 minutes ago, Jman said: No it does not. I also expect the protestors to say nothing. If there weren’t so many antisemites at the cease fire rallies I’d actually start going as a form of resistance to Trump. He had his thumb on the scales since 2020. Telling republicans to not come to agreements on a border bill, Netanyahu not agreeing to cease fires that gave him everything he asked for, and who knows what else. Fuckin terrible 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 (edited) 'We were ambushed': Pogrom in Amsterdam wounds several, potential hostage situation https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828103 "Following violent attacks against Maccabi Tel Aviv fans following a soccer match between Maccabi and Ajax on Thursday evening, Israel's Foreign Ministry confirmed that all Israelis had been contacted, according to Ynet. While police initially said they were investigating reports of abductions during the attacks, all missing Israelis have now been accounted for. Local authorities and Israel's Foreign Ministry have reported that ten Israelis have been injured so far in the pogrom, with consul members currently searching hospitals. Authorities say that the situation has calmed down over the last hour, and Israelis have been instructed to shelter in place. A Dutch police spokeswoman said 62 have been arrested so far. Footage circulating on social media has shown fans being beaten, chased with knives, and narrowly avoiding being hit by vehicles. Eyewitnesses told StandWithUs that they had seen attempted stabbings, people thrown in a river, with extremists beating and spitting on Israelis. Dutch riot police were sent in to respond to the attackers." I debated putting this in its own thread because its such a big deal, but Ill just keep it here for now. There was a Pogrom in Amsterdam last night. Israel has sent multiple emergency rescue planes to get Israeli citizens out of the Netherlands. Absolutely disgusting to see this kind of thing in Europe. Its sadly not a surprise though. There have been warnings for years about the rising tide of antisemitism and Islamist teachings in Europe. This is what happens when that goes unchecked. Edited November 8 by Master-Debater131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 In the news, soccer hooligans go after each other and it's totally racial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 'You are not welcome here,' Qatar tells Hamas - report https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-828197 "Qatar has reportedly clarified to the terrorist group Hamas, "You are not welcome here," KAN reported on Friday, citing a source familiar with the matter. This development has reportedly been underway in recent days, three sources told KAN. One source told KAN that this is due to pressure from the US. According to the report, Qatar had previously explained that Hamas's leadership in the country was meant to facilitate dialogue during hostage negotiation efforts." Well thats interesting. Qatar has been allowing Hamas leaders to stay in their country, largely as a way to have at least some sort of peace talks. If they are truly kicking them out then thats a big shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 2 hours ago, katt_goddess said: In the news, soccer hooligans go after each other and it's totally racial. It was though. How can you say this as though it wasn’t? Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how you’re coming across. Israeli fans were specific attacked. Jewish Israeli fans. Just because MD is mostly gross don’t be like her by just dismissing everything that happens to an Israeli Jew as nothing of consequence 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 8 Author Share Posted November 8 Iran really wants to reach the Find Out stage of FAFO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 2 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: It was though. How can you say this as though it wasn’t? Maybe I’m wrong but that’s how you’re coming across. Israeli fans were specific attacked. Jewish Israeli fans. Just because MD is mostly gross don’t be like her by just dismissing everything that happens to an Israeli Jew as nothing of consequence I'm dealing with an intermittent 103'F fever right now and was posting something from a thumb-twaddle device instead of the computer before turning over and twitching for a couple of hours. I'm doing the slightly lucid thing right now so you'll have to bare with me. In my mind I was referring to this editorial attachment more than anything - 'Absolutely disgusting to see this kind of thing in Europe. Its sadly not a surprise though. There have been warnings for years about the rising tide of antisemitism and Islamist teachings in Europe. This is what happens when that goes unchecked.' To me this seems like saying that if the 'others' are in an area [ in this case Muslims in Europe ] that automatically means anti-something - in this case antisemitism. Did these dipshits target Jewish fans? Yes. They probably attacked a few non-Jewish people in the process because the point of being that type of dipshit is to create as much chaos as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 8 Share Posted November 8 12 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: I'm dealing with an intermittent 103'F fever right now and was posting something from a thumb-twaddle device instead of the computer before turning over and twitching for a couple of hours. I'm doing the slightly lucid thing right now so you'll have to bare with me. In my mind I was referring to this editorial attachment more than anything - 'Absolutely disgusting to see this kind of thing in Europe. Its sadly not a surprise though. There have been warnings for years about the rising tide of antisemitism and Islamist teachings in Europe. This is what happens when that goes unchecked.' To me this seems like saying that if the 'others' are in an area [ in this case Muslims in Europe ] that automatically means anti-something - in this case antisemitism. Did these dipshits target Jewish fans? Yes. They probably attacked a few non-Jewish people in the process because the point of being that type of dipshit is to create as much chaos as possible. No, they kidnapped and attacked only Israeli Jews but that’s what I mean by not being like her and I’m sorry if I came off harsh but in this instance it was racism and antisemitism. Ofc it’s absolutely shit to blame it on what she blamed it on but to act like it’s not a big deal is also why we lose. Because we like to ignore anything that puts certain individuals in a bad light feel better btw 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
new_disease Posted November 9 Share Posted November 9 I'm not going through 20+ pages of posts but after skimming just this one I'll post my thoughts on the most recent event making the rounds. Those were not pogroms, words have meaning. Those racist fans spent the day chanting death to Arabs, attacking homes and shops that had the Palestine flag and were deliberately being antagonistic towards Dutch citizens. They even intentionally interrupted the moment of silence for the flood victims in Spain by setting off illegal fireworks, screaming, and whistling. Disrespect because Spain decided to back an arms embargo so Spain is apparently antisemitic now. This time people had enough and fought back. That specific soccer team is known to have one of the most racist and violent fan bases. The teams ‘fan song’ has the lyrics ‘Ole ole Ole ole ole Let the IDF win and fuck the Arabs Ole ole Ole ole ole Why is school out in Gaza? There are no children left there ‘. They were looking for a fight and they got one. A pushback to the violence they started is not a pogrom. They are not victims. But I guess antisemitism is when Israelis/zionists aren’t allowed to be violent/racist/genocidal towards Arabs right? Please don't fall for easily refutable hasbara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1pooh4u Posted November 10 Share Posted November 10 19 hours ago, new_disease said: twitter_1855232763651109311.mp4 9.84 MB · 0 downloads Example of the stick in the bicycle wheel meme if I ever saw one. You can’t rip down flags and say horrible shit and expect everyone to be ok with that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Master-Debater131 Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 Well, this explains why Iran freaked the fuck out after the last attack. To the world it looked minimal, but Israel apparently hit a nuclear weapons facility in Iran. https://www.axios.com/2024/11/15/iran-israel-destroyed-active-nuclear-weapons-research-facility The site was an undeclared nuclear site, so it was fair game for Israel to hit it. Iran cant complain about the attack without admitting that they have undeclared nuclear facilities in the country, something which violates a whole lot of laws and treaties. The "limited" Israeli attack turns out to have been a whole lot bigger than anyone at the time thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 Must have had nuclear weapons in there or something. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 On 11/15/2024 at 7:47 AM, Master-Debater131 said: The "limited" Israeli attack turns out to have been a whole lot bigger than anyone at the time thought. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted November 17 Share Posted November 17 If an Israeli paper is saying Israel and the IDF are doing war crimes, I’m going to believe them. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted November 26 Author Share Posted November 26 Israel set to okay 60-day Lebanon truce, but pledges to act against Hezbollah https://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-set-to-okay-60-day-lebanon-truce-tuesday-but-pledges-to-act-against-hezbollah/ Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will convene the high-level security cabinet in Tel Aviv on Tuesday evening to approve a 60-day ceasefire with the Hezbollah terror group in Lebanon after more than a year of war, an Israeli official told The Times of Israel on Monday. At the same time, the official stressed that Israel was accepting a cessation of hostilities, not an end to the war on Hezbollah. “We don’t know how long it will last,” the official said of the ceasefire. “It could be a month, it could be a year.” Lebanese sources told Reuters on Monday that US President Joe Biden and French President Emmanuel Macron were expected to announce a ceasefire imminently. In Washington, White House national security spokesperson John Kirby said, “We’re close,” but “nothing is done until everything is done.” 60 days is interesting, because that also lines up pretty closely with the Trump inauguration. Israel has been remarkably effective at taking out Hezbollah. Their beeper attack, decapitation strikes on leadership, and understanding of where Hezbollah key assets were has been pretty remarkable. Hezbollah bas been pushed back from the Israeli border. With a peace deal in place this also frees up Israeli troops to keep hunting down Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted December 14 Author Share Posted December 14 Hamas relented in cease-fire talks under Trump pressure, official says https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/hamas-israel-trump-gaza-hostage-ceasefire-rcna184143?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=675c7d347ea5c90001a90b60 "Pressure from President-elect Donald Trump was a major factor in Hamas relenting on two key issues during cease-fire and hostage-release talks with Israel, a senior administration official told NBC News on Friday. New hope for an agreement had senior Biden administration officials fanning out across the Middle East this week with the goal of closing on a critical pact by the end of 2024. According to officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to the media, Hamas has now agreed to Israeli forces staying in the Gaza Strip temporarily after fighting ends and to provide a complete list of hostages, including Americans, who will be released. The Wall Street Journal was the first to report on the concessions Hamas was prepared to make." Trump isnt even president yet and it already looks like the chances of Peace in Gaza have increased. Maybe those voters who protested Harris, or even voted for Trump, were on to something. Hamas realizes they are totally fucked, and Trump is the complete opposite of Biden. Hes not going to abandon Israel, and absolutely will put our own resources to use to bring the American hostages home. Hamas realizes that and is basically to the point of taking whatever they can possibly get knowing they have thoroughly lost the war. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said: Trump isnt even president yet and it already looks like the chances of Peace in Gaza have increased. Maybe those voters who protested Harris, or even voted for Trump, were on to something. Hamas realizes they are totally fucked, and Trump is the complete opposite of Biden. Hes not going to abandon Israel, and absolutely will put our own resources to use to bring the American hostages home. Hamas realizes that and is basically to the point of taking whatever they can possibly get knowing they have thoroughly lost the war. What an amazingly bad take, even for you. At any rate, what happened to Hamas being wiped out? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 Omfg we know that a Trump victory was always going to lead to this. Not because “Hamas scared of Trump” but more like “Netanyahu was always using this war, in part, to make Biden look bad” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 Does MD have a single original thought floating around in her head? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted December 14 Share Posted December 14 23 minutes ago, Top Gun said: Does MD have a single original thought floating around in her head? MD has a single thought? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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