katt_goddess Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 2 hours ago, rpgamer said: So, part of the charges are related to mishandling campaign funds, and his fan-club's response is to.... give him more money? That's some advanced stupid right there. His constant self-myth is that he really doesn't 'need' your money because he's totally already super wealthy but just think about all the things he could do with YOUR money along with his money! And then he super spends all the money he gets from idiots on his bills, personal lawyers, and escorts. I think there should be a shadow campaign where it starts to be pointed out that you can afford your guns and beers or you can send all your money to a con artist 'billionaire' who might refer to you in a general way as 'special' while eating Big Macs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 Got this idea - Russia has taken a reporter, claiming they're a spy...but everyone is thinking he's just going to be used to exchange for some Russian detainee. If they do ask for an exchange, agree to it, find out who they want and instead ship them #45. We could probably have plastic surgeons doctor him up & temporarily paralyze his vocal chords so he can't speak. It would be a big win-win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, tsar4 said: Got this idea - Russia has taken a reporter, claiming they're a spy...but everyone is thinking he's just going to be used to exchange for some Russian detainee. If they do ask for an exchange, agree to it, find out who they want and instead ship them #45. We could probably have plastic surgeons doctor him up & temporarily paralyze his vocal chords so he can't speak. It would be a big win-win. Great in theory but I doubt they can change the smell of full diapers & pore-deep spray tan. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: Great in theory but I doubt they can change the smell of full diapers & pore-deep spray tan. Hose him down with that "Pooof!" stuff. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 2, 2023 Share Posted April 2, 2023 21 hours ago, tsar4 said: Hose him down with that "Pooof!" stuff. Ohhhh. The ultimate test of whether that stuff actually works or if everyone in that commercial had Covid... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Another Trump defense that I think can be dismissed is the attack on Micheal Cohen's credibility. Cohen is a criminal, but criminals are often witnesses in criminal trials. Their credibility is always attacked by the defense but usually courts see through that. No doubt the D.A. has documentary evidence to back up much, if not all, relevant facts that Cohen alleges. And, of course, Cohen worked for Trump and they had a relationship for a really long time. An attack on Cohen could be indirectly an attack on Trump. "He's a horrible person and you just didn't know about it despite your closeness for all that time?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Why I think Trump may plead guilty in the New York case: if somebody truthfully explains to Trump his options, he may conclude that's the path of least resistance. Trump could: 1. Strike a plea deal with Bragg, maybe a good one that involves pleading guilty only to misdemeanors and getting a light sentence perhaps with no jail time. Serve it and continue campaigning for president. 2. Fight the charges, at first doing his traditional "stalling the legal process" tricks, eventually going to trial which he has a good chance of losing and then losing all his appeals. This would take a year and a half of America talking about nothing but this trial and every moderate voter listening to this for a year and half. And of course, the chance of prison goes up exponentially in this scenario. If that's explained to Trump by some lawyer, I posit Trump will take path #1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 What makes you think Bragg wants to deal with Trump? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 11:39 AM, Master-Debater131 said: Politically, this is going to backfire in a major way. Trump very likely just sealed up the GOP nomination and is probably the front runner in 24 for a rematch with Biden. The GOP was set to have a brutal civil war in the primary pitting hardcore MAGA types against more moderate Republicans who were pushing for DeSantis or Youngkin. Now Trump has become a martyr and will solidify the base. I would expect him to have record hauls of fundraising over the next few days as he milks this for everything its worth. When he is cleared of these charges he will parade it through every single GOP event. "They tried to take me out and failed because they are scared of me". It will be a brutally effective weapon to wield in the GOP primary. Trump indictment pulls DeSantis-leaning Republicans back to MAGA fold https://news.yahoo.com/trump-indictment-pulls-desantis-leaning-100251746.html "Until the indictment, a majority of the 35 Republicans Reuters interviewed had been willing to turn their backs on Trump and go with a different candidate for the 2024 election, believing he was too flawed and bombastic to win the general election for Republicans next year. The criminal charges in New York changed all that, upending the Republican primary contest and potentially giving Trump and his "Make America Great Again" movement a major boost in his quest to re-enter the White House. A trial is more than a year away, legal experts say, meaning that Trump may face a jury trial as he campaigns. All 35 Republican activists and voters Reuters spoke to say they will be voting in the nominating contest to choose their 2024 White House candidate. Every one of them decried the indictment as a meritless, politically motivated persecution of Trump. The charges against Trump are not yet clear, though legal analysts say he may be prosecuted for falsifying business records on charges of hiding the true nature of the payments. Of the 35, 20 said they had been thinking of moving on from Trump and backing DeSantis. Of those, 14 said the indictment was changing their thinking and leading them back to supporting Trump again." Called it. Trump is becoming a Martyr thanks to these charges. Its now established that any future charges are political thanks to this one. So no matter what happens next his base is going to only solidify. Theres a chance people peel off, but thats decreasing by the day. I havent seen any new polls since they announced the indictment, but when they hit I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Trumps numbers increasing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 On 4/1/2023 at 10:05 AM, Master-Debater131 said: IThe key moment will be the mugshot. It will be the single most viral image ever, and it will be on Trump merchandise within hours of it being released. Trump is going to make so much money off of that mugshot. He knows how to market and merchandise, and this isn't going to be an exception. I'm expecting shirts, hats, flags, and even mugs for the irony to be made and shipped out quickly. Its going to turn into a massive windfall for him. Will Donald Trump’s mug shot become a defining image of the 21st Century? https://www.marketwatch.com/story/why-a-donald-trump-mug-shot-could-become-the-culture-icon-of-our-time-7297ed0e "It could become the cultural icon of our time,” says Craig Agranoff, a Florida-based marketing executive. Certainly, in the short term, Peter W. Cross, a former newspaper photo director turned freelance photographer, says there’s no question the image would be widely distributed. “It will be in every mainstream newspaper in the country and probably around the world,” Cross says, adding that he’d devote an entire front page to it if he was still in the business of making such decisions. It goes beyond just that. The photo could be seen on T-shirts, posters, coffee mugs and just about every form of merchandise that you can imagine, experts say. Agranoff says it would also likely inspire Halloween costumes. And further boosting the image’s profile is that it will hold meaning to those who are both pro-Trump and anti-Trump, Agranoff adds: “The (pro-Trump) people who will be disgusted by it will use it for mobilization, and the people who are against Trump will use it to mock him.”" Damn I'm good. Even some on the Left are starting to realize that this screams backfire and that it would be a very bad idea to release the mug shot. The tweet itself is stupid as hell and reminds me of that old Jon Stewart video where he laughs at overly bombastic news headlines, but the video from CNN is key. They realize that Trump is absolutely going to capitalize on any mug shot that is released. People are expecting some sort of disheveled image of Trump but that wont be how it goes. He likely has been practicing or being coached on what to do to have an image that provides maximum benefit for him. He knows hes going to market the hell out of that image, so its going to look the way he wants it to look. In NYC they changed the rules in 2020 and don't have to release any mug shots if they don't want to. The odds that Bragg doesn't release the mug shot is practically zero because he wants to be the first to do it, but he does have an option not to feed the troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 9 hours ago, scoobdog said: What makes you think Bragg wants to deal with Trump? There's not going to be any deal. If there was a deal it would have been worked out already. This thing is going full speed ahead until it bogs down in the court process. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Trump supporters are really fuckin gullible. This is all a grift. Trump announces his run for presidency super fuckin early because he knew this was coming. Now he can make it all look like some sort of witch hunt and once again we’re going to be dealing with him as president for another 4 years. this fuckin man committed several crimes and probably should have been sitting in prison a long time ago. People cry about the two tiered justice system but Trump and his cronies are the other tier. They all get away with so much shit. He knows he should be sitting in prison for a whole lot worse than what he’s being charged with. Go ahead. Organize a potentially violent protest with known neo nazis. Talk shit until it gets out of control. See what happens to you. Remember the high school aged girl charged with murder for texting “go back in there and kill your self” to some dude that killed himself. She got jail time. Trump did a same same but different. Talked thousands into storming our government institutions. He’s still fuckin doin it. This notion that “we shouldn’t allow anyone to do their jobs cuz it emboldens Trump” is weak ass bullshit. Anyone advocating it should feel like garbage for such a dumpster take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 https://i.imgur.com/D1A1uHy.gifv I dont know why it wont embed, but this is great. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said: So no matter what happens next his base is going to only solidify. Theres a chance people peel off, but thats decreasing by the day. I havent seen any new polls since they announced the indictment, but when they hit I wouldnt be surprised at all to see Trumps numbers increasing. Given Trump winning the primary is the presumed political goal, Dems also dropped their oppo dump on Desantis so the Trump team can use it in the primary. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 I’m thinking of going downtown tomorrow if only to see if anyone pelts MTG in the face with rotten fruit. these fuckin shit suckin politicians are going on air to advocate giving $$$ to Trump to alleviate the pains of paying for his defense. Fuckin absolute trash. Cheerleading for Trump and manipulating the poor, gullible, and/or dumb people into giving him their money. The man that’s always bragging about his wealth needs your last fifty bucks. Just sad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 13 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: I’m thinking of going downtown tomorrow if only to see if anyone pelts MTG in the face with rotten fruit. these fuckin shit suckin politicians are going on air to advocate giving $$$ to Trump to alleviate the pains of paying for his defense. Fuckin absolute trash. Cheerleading for Trump and manipulating the poor, gullible, and/or dumb people into giving him their money. The man that’s always bragging about his wealth needs your last fifty bucks. Just sad. Did you hear the story about how the Trump campaign financially ruined some of his supporters because they signed them up for automatic donations in the 2020 campaign cycle. So you have things like Republican senior citizens who donated all their Social Security benefits to Trump for months without them realizing it. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Just a thought... anyone who gives money to Trump probably deserves to be fleeced. I guess you could argue that just puts them on welfare making them all of our problems, but chances are they were going to blow it at a casino or lose it to telephone scammer anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Did you hear the story about how the Trump campaign financially ruined some of his supporters because they signed them up for automatic donations in the 2020 campaign cycle. So you have things like Republican senior citizens who donated all their Social Security benefits to Trump for months without them realizing it. Yeah I did. How gross of a person does one have to be to make a donation site auto monthly as the default? I actually felt sorry for the people getting robbed. Still fuck them but I felt bad that they allowed themselves to be conned like that. Trump collected like 4m in donations in one day once they announced he was going to be arraigned. He was getting somewhere in the neighborhood of half a million a day once he announced indictment. Prior to that his campaign wasn’t getting near that we are repeating history like we didn’t witness Trump’s campaign the first time. The same shit is happening. Just faster this time 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Trump collected like 4m in donations in one day once they announced he was going to be arraigned. So he says. We'll fact check that with the next FEC filings. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 minute ago, Icarus27k said: So he says. We'll fact check that with the next FEC filings. You think he’s smart enough to lie above how much he got in donations as a means to get actual people to give him money? Idk if he’s capable of that much strategy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for protests in New York after Trump indictment The Georgia GOP congresswoman and Trump loyalist is reversing course after saying two weeks ago she and other Trump backers should not protest his indictment. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77594 First of all, I apologize to NYC. Secondly, can she stay there and away from Georgia? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 23 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: You think he’s smart enough to lie above how much he got in donations as a means to get actual people to give him money? Idk if he’s capable of that much strategy He doesn't have to be smart to lie. He does it as a matter of course regardless of any particular need to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 https://www.cnn.com/2023/04/03/politics/cnn-poll-trump-indictment 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 34 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for protests in New York after Trump indictment The Georgia GOP congresswoman and Trump loyalist is reversing course after saying two weeks ago she and other Trump backers should not protest his indictment. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77594 First of all, I apologize to NYC. Secondly, can she stay there and away from Georgia? She must be the false flag operation she was warning everyone about 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 Lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Icarus27k said: Marjorie Taylor Greene calls for protests in New York after Trump indictment The Georgia GOP congresswoman and Trump loyalist is reversing course after saying two weeks ago she and other Trump backers should not protest his indictment. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna77594 First of all, I apologize to NYC. Secondly, can she stay there and away from Georgia? Hmmm.... Quote It’s unclear why she changed her position about protesting in New York City, though she regularly speaks to Trump by phone and is a frequent visitor to Mar-a-Lago. A Greene spokesman did not immediately respond to a request for comment. i ThInK i KnOw WhY..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 The quickest way to get Greene out of GA-14 might be to convince her to run for higher office. And fail of course 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 31 minutes ago, Icarus27k said: The quickest way to get Greene out of GA-14 might be to convince her to run for higher office. And fail of course That’s probably why they wouldn’t let her. It’s one thing in a district where saying Democrat would get you lynched, it’s another statewide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimOdin Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 1 hour ago, scoobdog said: Hmmm.... i ThInK i KnOw WhY..... Even with all the pundits saying she wouldn’t win, I’m too afraid of her winning the seat to actually take that risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 8 minutes ago, SwimOdin said: Even with all the pundits saying she wouldn’t win, I’m too afraid of her winning the seat to actually take that risk. Well, it's still a few years away, and she's DOA without Trump. She's probably more interested in being his running mate now than looking ahead to '26 because she's vacuous like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 4 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: She must be the false flag operation she was warning everyone about Since your our logistics expert for the NY area, exactly how close is the corner of Fuck Around St. and Found Out Ave. to the courthouse? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 3, 2023 Share Posted April 3, 2023 6 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: Since your our logistics expert for the NY area, exactly how close is the corner of Fuck Around St. and Found Out Ave. to the courthouse? It’s just around the corner 😆 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 1:39 PM, Master-Debater131 said: "Pyramiding two transgressions of state rules to go after a federal candidate is legally plausible. But the strategy is also novel, and courts may regard it with skepticism. This is a quote from a Washington Post editorial and it's factually false. The felony falsifying records charge that Trump is probably going to get charged with has been successfully prosecuted by New York dozens of times. Perhaps the skepticism the Post is expressing hinges on the defendant being a presidential candidate, but that doesn't matter for one second. No one is above the law, and it doesn't matter if falsifying records is done by an average citizen or a candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Drumpf is not a Presidential Candidate with all the bells and whistles of that title. He is literally a nominee in a contest that hasn't even happened yet. He thinks getting back into office will be another get out of jail free card. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 (edited) This is Trump's own U.S. Department of Justice summarizing the 2018 federal case against Michael Cohen: Trump, in 2016, conspired with Cohen to shut up someone who had an allegation against him, knowing full well he was trying to preserve his chances of getting elected. This definitely means the payments were campaign contributions, legally defined, and Trump understood that. Edited April 4, 2023 by Icarus27k 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 This case is really about a man who habitually commits fraud in his business and feels he can just lie on business records whenever he wants. For his own personal benefit. This sounds like a strong case. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 All 34 counts are supposedly felonies, says this anonymous source. We'll see. https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Master-Debater131 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Exclusive: Trump to be charged Tuesday with 34 felony counts, but spared handcuffs and mug shot https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-trump-to-be-charged-tuesday-with-34-felony-counts-but-spared-handcuffs-and-mug-shot-001241750.html "But, the source said, Trump will not be put in handcuffs, placed in a jail cell or subjected to a mug shot — typical procedures even for white-collar defendants until a judge has weighed in on pretrial conditions. Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg’s office, which has been consulting with the Secret Service and New York City court officials, concluded there was no reason to subject the former president to handcuffs or a mug shot." That would be the first smart thing that has happened in this case. No mugshot means no new marketing materials. From the sounds of things today will be pretty scripted. He will show up, be finger printed, enter a plea, they will file a bunch of standard motions, then he will fly back to Florida this evening. No jail time, no perp walk, no mug shot, nothing big. Just a few formal things then back to Mar a Lago where he is scheduled to speak tonight. The charges themselves look even weaker now than before. If Bragg really is trying to get these charges all the way up to felony then he is absolutely reaching for anything he can. There's a rumor that some of the charges are potentially for a second womans hush money thats even further outside of the statute of limitations than the original claims are. It sure sounds like Bragg is going to try and take two cases that are already past the statute of limitations, and amount to a misdemeanor at best, and bump them up to felony charges. This is going to end in disaster and anyone who takes a step back for half a second can see it coming. The rush to get bad orange man is going to backfire spectacularly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I’m still considering going downtown. watching the news.the arraignment is at 2:15 but from what I am seeing on NY1 there’s not a lot of people yet, it kinda looks like the pro trump crowd aren’t even NYers and there’s been little spats between pro trump and fuck Trump crowd despite not a lot of people being here. I pretty much can make my decision to go or not until 12:30-1 depending if I take public transportation to the ferry. The ferry is only a subway stop from the courthouse. The entire arraignment will only take 5 min anyway not like he’s gonna have to post bail or anything. I probably won’t go just to not give that asshole the excuse to say “so many people supported me. I attract the best crowds.” When in truth most people are there to tell him “get fukt” to his face. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Dont go. Its going to be a total shit show and theres decent enough odds that someone will do something extremely stupid that its not worth going. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 I would go. When I lived in DC, one of my favorite things was gawking at protesters. I wouldn't let myself be scared of Jan. 6ers, and this is not that. Gawking at protesters in Manhattan sounds kind of fun actually. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: Dont go. Its going to be a total shit show and theres decent enough odds that someone will do something extremely stupid that its not worth going. Idt anything too crazy is gonna happen there’s gonna be secret service everywhere. With that said, the two groups are already getting into semi physical spats. Lol I’m probably not going. It’s not worth leaving work early especially since the more of us that show up the more Trump can say people were there for him even if they really aren’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 1 minute ago, Icarus27k said: I would go. When I lived in DC, one of my favorite things was gawking at protesters. I wouldn't let myself be scared of Jan. 6ers, and this is not that. Gawking at protesters in Manhattan sounds kind of fun actually. It’s fun but I wouldn’t just be gawking. I’d throw myself right in the mix of anti trump protesters. If I’m going I’m protesting that son of a bitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 When I first saw the Jan. 6th riot, my first thought was "These losers don't know how the protest right". I bet a lot of regular activists thought the same thing. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: Idt anything too crazy is gonna happen there’s gonna be secret service everywhere. With that said, the two groups are already getting into semi physical spats. Lol I’m probably not going. It’s not worth leaving work early especially since the more of us that show up the more Trump can say people were there for him even if they really aren’t. If there was a way to sit far enough away and high enough to get a good vantage point then it might be good people watching. Theres going to be some "quality" out there to watch. Even with all the security though this just feels like one of those times when an idiot with a gun decides he wants to pretend to be John Wick and takes people with him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 52 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said: If Bragg really is trying to get these charges all the way up to felony then he is absolutely reaching for anything he can. I don't think Bragg is throwing things at the wall to make them stick. He dropped the Trump tax fraud case that he inherited a year ago when he took office (and got a lot of flack and resignations over it) because he didn't think he could prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Worth remembering that Bragg's been really bad at the optics game since he won his race in 2021 because he's always been a staff attorney and not a real politician. So he's always been by-the-book even to his own detriment. Without seeing the charges, I just have a hard time believing he'd completely flip his persona to throw flimsy charges at the wall just to make national Democrats happy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 Basically, you can't advance your cause if you're serving a prison sentence for treason. So, attacking the U.S. Capitol with violence is not in the cards no matter how angry you are. Re: "These losers don't know how to protest." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted April 4, 2023 Share Posted April 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: I don't think Bragg is throwing things at the wall to make them stick. He dropped the Trump tax fraud case that he inherited a year ago when he took office (and got a lot of flack and resignations over it) because he didn't think he could prove a case beyond a reasonable doubt. Worth remembering that Bragg's been really bad at the optics game since he won his race in 2021 because he's always been a staff attorney and not a real politician. So he's always been by-the-book even to his own detriment. Without seeing the charges, I just have a hard time believing he'd completely flip his persona to throw flimsy charges at the wall just to make national Democrats happy. The problem with the by the book image is that it falls apart when put under scrutiny. The by the book take is that the charges here are Federal charges that fall under FEC jurisdiction. Thats how these cases are always handled, and they always result in fines being handed to candidates and it going away. Hell, thats what happened to Hillary just up the road from where this case is happening. She had a $113k fine to the FEC based on the debunked Steele dossier. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/31/hillary-clinton-democrats-steele-dossier-settle-electoral-case So there is already precedent in this area that these cases are not criminal but civil, and led by the FEC not by local DAs. Thats absolutely going to be brought up in this case and helps a selective prosecution defense. Further than that, the DA dropped this case before when it became clear it wouldn't go anywhere. His election campaign got a massive infusion of left wing dark money and he took it up again. He openly campaigned on looking for any possible reason to indict Trump. So this has been a political vendetta from the start. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/for-prosecutor-bragg-trump-indictment-is-campaign-promise-kept He had people resigning from his office because he knew he didnt have a case against Trump. Those people went on a massive PR campaign and put more pressure on Bragg to do something. Even further than that is his soft on crime approach to prosecutions within NYC. Crime, including violent crime, is up. He has a history of letting violent offenders go. https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/news/p00073/nypd-citywide-crime-statistics-january-2023 This will absolutely be brought up in any potential case as another sign that this is a political prosecution and not a legal one. Bragg will find himself on defense here just as much as Trump will. So yea, the idea that he is somehow a by the book DA falls apart under some pretty light scrutiny. Its nothing compared to whats coming if this ever actually makes it to trial. The Trump legal team is going to hammer on these, and many more, points to attack the credibility of the DA and the case itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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