2024 Presidential Elections: the schadenfreude commences

[Belize]

It's cold comfort, but seeing some Trump voters on Twitter freak out because down ballot Republicans are losing is pretty nice. 

[1pooh4u]

That’s zero comfort since republicans have the WH, Senate and House 

[Jman]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:03 PM, 1pooh4u said:

That’s zero comfort since republicans have the WH, Senate and House 

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House is likely but still hasn’t been called yet.  
 

This country is about to get jacked up to the point people will start welcoming more extreme measures to deal with the corruption, like a military coup.

[Belize]

  On 11/9/2024 at 10:11 PM, naraku360 said:

The problem comes from the unfortunate truth that some people make the world a tangibly worse place and we'd be better off without them, to the point of murder being potentially a moral net positive when it comes to the worst of the worst. It's not like the person being terrible makes killing them inherently okay, but when we've had people like Kissinger I don't think "murder is wrong" is always so ridgedly true.

It sucks having to think "I hope he dies," but it'd undeniably a benefit to humanity if he'd fucking hurry up with it.

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I was shocked the first time I saw the old pictures of Americans celebrating Stalin's death because I thought people had an innate moral sense not to wish death on others. Now I get it, and I see those Americans in those pictures are correct. They actually have a really good moral sense. 

[1pooh4u]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:23 PM, Jman said:

House is likely but still hasn’t been called yet.  
 

This country is about to get jacked up to the point people will start welcoming more extreme measures to deal with the corruption, like a military coup.

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I know it hasn’t been called but I’m just being realistic GOP is gaining more than they’re losing. It’s gonna be a bad time 

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:51 PM, 1pooh4u said:

I know it hasn’t been called but I’m just being realistic GOP is gaining more than they’re losing. It’s gonna be a bad time 

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I'm getting more and more angry at the Democrats for fucking this up so bad.

[Jman]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:08 PM, matrixman124 said:

I'm getting more and more angry at the Democrats for fucking this up so bad.

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The best thing they can do is nothing and take credit.  Except I know they’re going to do a lot and it will benefit no one save a few South African billionaires.

[1pooh4u]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:08 PM, matrixman124 said:

I'm getting more and more angry at the Democrats for fucking this up so bad.

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Same here. It’s like it’s intentional 

[Jman]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:17 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Same here. It’s like it’s intentional 

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Anger’s good as far as I’m concerned.  Beats apathy.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:17 PM, 1pooh4u said:

Same here. It’s like it’s intentional 

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I think a lot of it was Biden refusing to listen to anyone about dropping out despite his health and acuity. By the time he was forced to drop out it really feels like the Dems stumbled into the viral boost they got with the Harris and Walz announcements. Then the neolib advisers gave very fucking bad advice to stop calling the right weird and to start hitting up the neocons to court the center right. This is elitist bullshit out of touch with reality

[katt_goddess]

  On 11/10/2024 at 4:24 PM, Belize said:

 

 

I was shocked the first time I saw the old pictures of Americans celebrating Stalin's death because I thought people had an innate moral sense not to wish death on others. Now I get it, and I see those Americans in those pictures are correct. They actually have a really good moral sense. 

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It's not necessarily 'wrong' to celebrate the death of someone horrible. It's wrong if you make it a national holiday to revisit the 'joy' of someone horrible finally going to hell.

Think of it like the thread that popped up when Pat Robertson finally took that bobsled ride to the firey side. People showed up, posted their horrible memes, said good riddance and now that thread is floating around somewhere unbothered by new posts because its not worth it. 

[1pooh4u]

NYP tryin to make this guy seem like a liberal snowflake in the headlines. Mentally ill man kills ex gf and his child then goes home kills wife other kid then self. That he ranted about the election results should be secondary not the headline 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/10/us-news/minn-dad-anthony-nephew-ranted-against-trump-killed-family-in-murder-suicide/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

[Belize]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:51 PM, katt_goddess said:

It's not necessarily 'wrong' to celebrate the death of someone horrible. It's wrong if you make it a national holiday to revisit the 'joy' of someone horrible finally going to hell.

Think of it like the thread that popped up when Pat Robertson finally took that bobsled ride to the firey side. People showed up, posted their horrible memes, said good riddance and now that thread is floating around somewhere unbothered by new posts because its not worth it. 

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Oh yeah, I agree. Part of being a horrible person that makes people happy when you die is that it also makes you forgettable once you're finally gone. Right now with Trump I am just seeing it from the perspective of before he kicks the bucket.

[scoobdog]

  On 11/10/2024 at 8:25 AM, CountFrylock said:

The issue is that we can’t peacefully discuss anything with maga  they’ll get offended and want to fight 

politics are seen by them as an invitation to punch people who don’t love trump 

Even on online they quickly derail a discussion to claim the liberals are slandering trump 

I have a family member like that who constantly posts to Facebook about democrats being so unfair and how things would be  better if we just trusted Donald trump 

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So, I’ve seen online the talk from people who invariably say something to the effect of “Hey Lefty, it’s time to put aside the hate and start listening to those you don’t agree with.”  It’s always from the same quarter.

We absolutely can have those discussions with people who are capable of understanding the issues.  In years past we would lose elections, hate ourselves in the morning, then sleep the same for four years.  I certainly don’t regret the 8 years of George W even though I didn’t agree with his policies and I didn’t vote for him.  The reason is Republican lawmakers were competent, and you could at least expect them to have the best interest of Americans they disagree with when disaster struck.  We don’t have that now.

Just like in this thread where we’re dragging Distorted and MD for their terribly myopic and poorly formed takes.  If Democrats do the hard work at the local and state level, and we can prove that our concept works, but these people will continue to point out flaws or manufacture issues to disprove it.  You can’t have discussion with stupid people;  they don’t have their own vision for America, just a vision that is easily sold to them, usually of a world they’ve seen before.  There are stupid people on all sides, even liberal; it’s harder to share a vision with stupid people when it involves thing they’re unfamiliar with.  That’s the real takeaway from this election.

[katt_goddess]

  On 11/10/2024 at 5:54 PM, 1pooh4u said:

NYP tryin to make this guy seem like a liberal snowflake in the headlines. Mentally ill man kills ex gf and his child then goes home kills wife other kid then self. That he ranted about the election results should be secondary not the headline 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/10/us-news/minn-dad-anthony-nephew-ranted-against-trump-killed-family-in-murder-suicide/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

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Must be a really slow day in dumpsternews land if they went full out on him. For all anyone really knows [ devil's advocate time ], the voices in his head told him the only way to draw attention to the mental health crisis was to be as extreme as possible about it because that was his personal cause when he wasn't spiraling. 

If any Drumpf supporters had offed themselves after the 2020 election [ idiots on the Capital on Jan 6th need not apply ], would that have made major news? Or just been left at a local level? We already know that when they go on a shooting rampage, all that happens is 'thoughts and prayers' and comments that shootings happen, learn to deal with it. 

[1pooh4u]

  On 11/10/2024 at 6:07 PM, katt_goddess said:

Must be a really slow day in dumpsternews land if they went full out on him. For all anyone really knows [ devil's advocate time ], the voices in his head told him the only way to draw attention to the mental health crisis was to be as extreme as possible about it because that was his personal cause when he wasn't spiraling. 

If any Drumpf supporters had offed themselves after the 2020 election [ idiots on the Capital on Jan 6th need not apply ], would that have made major news? Or just been left at a local level? We already know that when they go on a shooting rampage, all that happens is 'thoughts and prayers' and comments that shootings happen, learn to deal with it. 

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Trump supporters can do wtf they want. That’s my takeaway from all this 

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 6:05 PM, scoobdog said:

So, I’ve seen online the talk from people who invariably say something to the effect of “Hey Lefty, it’s time to put aside the hate and start listening to those you don’t agree with.”  It’s always from the same quarter.

We absolutely can have those discussions with people who are capable of understanding the issues.  In years past we would lose elections, hate ourselves in the morning, then sleep the same for four years.  I certainly don’t regret the 8 years of George W even though I didn’t agree with his policies and I didn’t vote for him.  The reason is Republican lawmakers were competent, and you could at least expect them to have the best interest of Americans they disagree with when disaster struck.  We don’t have that now.

Just like in this thread where we’re dragging Distorted and MD for their terribly myopic and poorly formed takes.  If Democrats do the hard work at the local and state level, and we can prove that our concept works, but these people will continue to point out flaws or manufacture issues to disprove it.  You can’t have discussion with stupid people;  they don’t have their own vision for America, just a vision that is easily sold to them, usually of a world they’ve seen before.  There are stupid people on all sides, even liberal; it’s harder to share a vision with stupid people when it involves thing they’re unfamiliar with.  That’s the real takeaway from this election.

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My takeaway is that there are really 2 kinds of Trump voters. The cultists who parade around in MAGA memorabilia and the people fed up with the Democrats

[Jman]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:37 PM, matrixman124 said:

My takeaway is that there are really 2 kinds of Trump voters. The cultists who parade around in MAGA memorabilia and the people fed up with the Democrats

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The latter will at least be more likely to have the buyers remorse.  

[Jman]

I don’t even know anymore.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:48 PM, Jman said:

The latter will at least be more likely to have the buyers remorse.  

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The latter need to have their votes earned. The Democrats failed to do that.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:53 PM, Jman said:

I don’t even know anymore.

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The presidential election and down ballot voting were completely disconnected this election and that very much points to this not being about an election decided by crazies.

This was not an election decided by racists and sexists and transphobes.

It was decided by people caught in the middle who were fed up

[Insipid]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:37 PM, matrixman124 said:

My takeaway is that there are really 2 kinds of Trump voters. The cultists who parade around in MAGA memorabilia and the people fed up with the Democrats

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There's another category of people who get cucked by Princess Fiona, but they are non entities.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 8:05 PM, Insipid said:

There's another category of people who get cucked by Princess Fiona, but they are non entities.

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I don't think the Democrats are winning them over!

[Belize]

This is something I said to someone today. The context was a younger person asking for advice. 

I really love the progressive corners of Gen Z. I love the fact they are concerned with other people's pronouns. I wish I had that concern when I was younger. So, back when gay people first started coming out of the closet, there was a backlash. Some cruel people tried to mock both the gay people and their allies, calling them weak and weird. But gay people just kept doing it, and the cruel disappeared one day. The same will happen to anti-trans people. I'm sure of it.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 8:22 PM, Belize said:

This is something I said to someone today. The context was a younger person asking for advice. 

I really love the progressive corners of Gen Z. I love the fact they are concerned with other people's pronouns. I wish I had that concern when I was younger. So, back when gay people first started coming out of the closet, there was a backlash. Some cruel people tried to mock both the gay people and their allies, calling them weak and weird. But gay people just kept doing it, and the cruel disappeared one day. The same will happen to anti-trans people. I'm sure of it.

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The Democrats need to continue supporting trans people and resist all attempts to scapegoat them for this election loss

[Raptorpat]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:53 PM, Jman said:

I don’t even know anymore.

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Democrats overperformed in swing states where the campaigning took place (trivia: Harris/Walz was like 125K votes short of winning the EC despite losing the popular vote, imagine that happening), but by and large there were no Trump coattails even where he overperformed. Republicans flipped Senate seats that had been on loan since 2006, but by and large it was a status quo election with odd, localized idiosyncrasies here and there. 

Thinking about it over and over, when factoring in the incumbent penalties taken in national elections worldwide and how comparatively small that penalty was in the US, there's a fair chance that this specific matchup led to the least-worst outcome for Democrats and left-leaning folks compared to a Johnson/Nixon/Reagan landslide. It of course doesn't feel like any sort of consolation, given that he's already said that his day one priorities will be to legislate trans people out of existence and put christian prayer back into secular public education (so much for the economy, right?). But maybe two years from now we'll look back and decide it made the difference.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/10/2024 at 9:25 PM, Raptorpat said:

Democrats overperformed in swing states where the campaigning took place (trivia: Harris/Walz was like 125K votes short of winning the EC despite losing the popular vote, imagine that happening), but by and large there were no Trump coattails even where he overperformed. Republicans flipped Senate seats that had been on loan since 2006, but by and large it was a status quo election with odd, localized idiosyncrasies here and there. 

Thinking about it over and over, when factoring in the incumbent penalties taken in national elections worldwide and how comparatively small that penalty was in the US, there's a fair chance that this specific matchup led to the least-worst outcome for Democrats and left-leaning folks compared to a Johnson/Nixon/Reagan landslide. It of course doesn't feel like any sort of consolation, given that he's already said that his day one priorities will be to legislate trans people out of existence and put christian prayer back into secular public education (so much for the economy, right?). But maybe two years from now we'll look back and decide it made the difference.

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The worst thing we can do now is just assume this means everything will immediately go to hell. There's still hope even now

[scoobdog]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:37 PM, matrixman124 said:

My takeaway is that there are really 2 kinds of Trump voters. The cultists who parade around in MAGA memorabilia and the people fed up with the Democrats

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Foolish as they are, I tend to agree that a lot of people are fed up with Democrats, and they probably should be.  We’ve been expecting national level Democrats to pull us through while local Democrats have done nothing of note,

[tsar4]

  On 11/10/2024 at 12:45 AM, naraku360 said:

65+?

Dementia?

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Um, that age is Boomer, not Gen X.  Gen X is 59 (born in '65) at its oldest.

[discolé monade]

  On 11/10/2024 at 7:48 PM, Jman said:

The latter will at least be more likely to have the buyers remorse.  

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[1pooh4u]

  On 11/10/2024 at 11:00 PM, discolé monade said:

 

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[Jman]

  On 11/10/2024 at 11:00 PM, discolé monade said:

 

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Many hands and faces will be burned on stoves these next two years.

[naraku360]

  On 11/10/2024 at 11:22 PM, Jman said:

Many hands and faces will be burned on stoves these next two years.

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[_lost_username_]

  On 11/9/2024 at 2:32 AM, naraku360 said:

You missed the most important part: money.

The left is virtually always less wealthy than the right. By a large margin.

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That’s not true. There are no shortage of billionaires that support the Democrats and progressive politics. They just don’t have much of an audience because people don’t like their messengers. They need people out there that sound like Bill Burr, Snoop Dogg or Larry the Cable Guy instead of some gender studies professor or some self righteous activist that never got their hands dirty.

If you have more radical ideas in mind, then you’re out of touch. Socialism is dead and never coming back. The only choice is between a state that uses taxes to ensure public welfare or an oligarchy which rich bros get to dictate policy. Anything outside of those bounds are not worth discussing because they won’t happen.

 

[Belize]

Do millennials have a negative reputation for being left-wing wussies or something? I've never paid attention to generational stereotypes before, and that's what I'm hearing in a serious conversation with a bunch of people. 

[Insipid]

  On 11/11/2024 at 1:55 AM, Belize said:

Do millennials have a negative reputation for being left-wing wussies or something? I've never paid attention to generational stereotypes before, and that's what I'm hearing in a serious conversation with a bunch of people. 

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Yes, and I really couldn't care less. I'll take being perceived as this over being a Trumpster any day.

[Belize]

  On 11/11/2024 at 2:15 AM, Insipid said:

Yes, and I really couldn't care less. I'll take being perceived as this over being a Trumpster any day.

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I take it as an unexpected compliment. My surprised response is something like, "you think I'm a left-wing wuss? Why thank you."

[Raptorpat]

  On 11/10/2024 at 9:25 PM, Raptorpat said:

Democrats overperformed in swing states where the campaigning took place (trivia: Harris/Walz was like 125K votes short of winning the EC despite losing the popular vote, imagine that happening), but by and large there were no Trump coattails even where he overperformed.

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[Jman]

  On 11/11/2024 at 2:43 AM, Raptorpat said:

 

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Things will be very funny (and cheerful) when Trump is dead.  Because he is the only thing holding the party together and he has no one to follow in his footsteps.  Maybe his cult thinks he’ll rise again on the third day with free Mickey D’s.

[matrixman124]

  On 11/11/2024 at 1:55 AM, Belize said:

Do millennials have a negative reputation for being left-wing wussies or something? I've never paid attention to generational stereotypes before, and that's what I'm hearing in a serious conversation with a bunch of people. 

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We've been a scapegoat for the economy lagging behind because we buy avocado toast instead of buying homes. Not like our generation was the first to experience crippling student debt, a recession right when most of us graduated, and ballooning house prices that made home ownership untenable for most

[matrixman124]

  On 11/11/2024 at 2:45 AM, Jman said:

Things will be very funny (and cheerful) when Trump is dead.  Because he is the only thing holding the party together and he has no one to follow in his footsteps.  Maybe his cult thinks he’ll rise again on the third day with free Mickey D’s.

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The Democrats need to also stop being the status quo party and actually push for progressive change. No more half/quarter/mini measures

[Belize]

According to every Bill Burr comedy routine ever, yes, apparently millennials have a reputation for being wusses. 

I never knew.

[Raptorpat]

  On 11/11/2024 at 5:16 AM, matrixman124 said:

crippling student debt

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yeah so now what am i supposed to do here

[Belize]

  On 11/11/2024 at 5:38 AM, Raptorpat said:

yeah so now what am i supposed to do here

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Wait a few more years when it becomes undeniable that student loan forgiveness has to occur? You know, after Trump is dead and all. 

[Distortedreasoning]

  On 11/11/2024 at 5:16 AM, matrixman124 said:

We've been a scapegoat for the economy lagging behind because we buy avocado toast instead of buying homes. Not like our generation was the first to experience crippling student debt, a recession right when most of us graduated, and ballooning house prices that made home ownership untenable for most

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everyone likes to shit on us millennials. 

[Belize]

In 2006, Democrats made a common sense campaign promise to allow Medicare to negotiate the price of prescription drugs. It was blocked by Republicans. In fact, it was oddly considered one of Democrats' more controversial ideas. 

Flash forward to the Biden administration, and it was finally approved. And no one talks about it.

 

The march of progress is insane, but it does occur. 

 

@Raptorpat

Edited November 11, 2024 by Belize

[rpgamer]

  On 11/11/2024 at 2:45 AM, Jman said:

Things will be very funny (and cheerful) when Trump is dead.  Because he is the only thing holding the party together and he has no one to follow in his footsteps.  Maybe his cult thinks he’ll rise again on the third day with free Mickey D’s.

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I mean.. he's got some of his kids already in that circle. Wouldn't put it past one of them taking the reigns.

It'll last about as long as it takes for everyone to realize they don't have any of the cult charisma to keep the train rolling.

[naraku360]

  On 11/11/2024 at 5:16 AM, matrixman124 said:

We've been a scapegoat for the economy lagging behind because we buy avocado toast instead of buying homes. Not like our generation was the first to experience crippling student debt, a recession right when most of us graduated, and ballooning house prices that made home ownership untenable for most

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If you can afford your fancy pants avocado toast, you can afford a house!

[naraku360]

  On 11/11/2024 at 5:57 AM, rpgamer said:

I mean.. he's got some of his kids already in that circle. Wouldn't put it past one of them taking the reigns.

It'll last about as long as it takes for everyone to realize they don't have any of the cult charisma to keep the train rolling.

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Nobody likes any of Trump's kids.

Not even Trump likes Trump's kids.

[Distortedreasoning]

  On 11/10/2024 at 6:05 PM, scoobdog said:

So, I’ve seen online the talk from people who invariably say something to the effect of “Hey Lefty, it’s time to put aside the hate and start listening to those you don’t agree with.”  It’s always from the same quarter.

We absolutely can have those discussions with people who are capable of understanding the issues.  In years past we would lose elections, hate ourselves in the morning, then sleep the same for four years.  I certainly don’t regret the 8 years of George W even though I didn’t agree with his policies and I didn’t vote for him.  The reason is Republican lawmakers were competent, and you could at least expect them to have the best interest of Americans they disagree with when disaster struck.  We don’t have that now.

Just like in this thread where we’re dragging Distorted and MD for their terribly myopic and poorly formed takes.  If Democrats do the hard work at the local and state level, and we can prove that our concept works, but these people will continue to point out flaws or manufacture issues to disprove it.  You can’t have discussion with stupid people;  they don’t have their own vision for America, just a vision that is easily sold to them, usually of a world they’ve seen before.  There are stupid people on all sides, even liberal; it’s harder to share a vision with stupid people when it involves thing they’re unfamiliar with.  That’s the real takeaway from this election.

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whats so bad about my takes? reading some of the responses here, its looking like some agree with what i was saying about why the dems lost in these elections. 

 

speaking of poor takes, here you are talking about not regretting W when he was the one that dealt the greatest amount of damage to the country. middle east wars, the great recession, patriot act, hurricane katrina. i don't know how you can call that administration anything other than a catastrophic failure.