Icarus27k Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 There is a decent chance this was an unintentional failure of the dam. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Icarus27k said: There is a decent chance this was an unintentional failure of the dam. As possible collateral damage by the destruction of the road on top of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Raptorpat said: Is it a guarantee they did it? I'm not sold. Neither side really has a slam-dunk benefit to do it and obviously both face horrible consequences from blowing it up. Its hard to think they didnt. Russia had been raising the level of teh dam for a few weeks now and observers said it was in preparation for a potential intentional flood. The timing is also incredibly in favor of Russia. Just as reports of the UA counter attack started to surface, and reports of UA pushing back Russian troops, the dam breaks and floods what was potentially a key route for the UA to take in their advance. Just seems way to suspicious to me. It has all the hallmarks of standard Russian war procedures. "If we cant take or hold it, destroy it" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) An odd WH press briefing featuring John Kirby (spokesman of the National Security Council) just ended. It's odd in light of a NBC News report saying the U.S. is going to declassify info about the dam that indicates Russia is responsible. No declassified info was given by Kirby and he says U.S. hasn't determined who is responsible for the dam. But an observation: there were two monitors behind Kirby but that weren't used. As if they planned to use them to display something but then couldn't or decided not to. My opinion: the WH was going to present some evidence of Russian responsibility for the dam at today's WH press briefing but didn't. Perhaps because of the process of declassification taking time. Edited June 6, 2023 by Icarus27k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 https://twitter.com/ukraine_world/status/1666047783059464193 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 i see where there are 2 conflicting articles currently. bloomberg stating that this BRIC is an excercise in futility, and then and then newsweek doing it's job. /s/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 https://ukrainetoday.org/2023/06/06/the-zoo-in-nova-kakhovka-was-completely-flooded-almost-all-the-animals-died-photo-video/ 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 DUN-DUN-DUH! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 https://twitter.com/georgewbarros/status/1666613988824588288 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Master-Debater131 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Occupiers admit hydroelectric power plant blown up by Russian sabotage group https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/9/7406062/ The Security Service of Ukraine has intercepted a conversation between the occupiers, in which they said that the Kakhovka Hydroelectric Power Plant was blown up by a Russian sabotage group. "It's not them [Ukraine – ed.] who have struck. Our sabotage group is there. They wanted to scare them with this dam. It didn't go according to plan, it was more than they planned," says the Russian military. This is coming from Ukraine, so it could just be standard propaganda you see during war, but it sure looks like Russia blew it up. And potentially by mistake. They, possibly, didnt intend to blow the damn up to the extent that it did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 11, 2023 Author Share Posted June 11, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kadyrov-mocks-prigozhins-bakhmut-failures-as-bitter-feud-reignites/ar-AA1cnapj https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/putin-compared-to-mummy-by-russian-ex-commander-is-there-putin-at-all/ar-AA1cnuO3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 11, 2023 Share Posted June 11, 2023 Where I argue that a ceasefire or negotiations can be realistic: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted June 12, 2023 Share Posted June 12, 2023 Ummmmmmmmmmmmm. Yeaaaaaa, Someone over at Time might want to pull out a map 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 (edited) Putin: "What do you mean the Army has problems?" DETAILS OF VLADIMIR PUTIN'S MEETING WITH REPORTERS AND BLOGGERS COVERING SVO For the decisions of the team, I was the coordinator, but I didn’t need to take care of it. We were far from home, who for whom you ask your food, and that's all. True, the President, on my chotiroh nutrition, said that I “having smelled Ukrainian lack of freedom and usurp the forecast.” I waited, but I asked food. The President gave an interesting breakdown of economic wars to Zakhod against Russia. It's up, it's super-important, and it was written in detail. Who zatsіkavleniy - marvel at the channel "Look". And so ... The team was great, requested 18 osib. Vidkrita part of Trival was close to three years. Closed - a little more than 30 quills. They didn’t call them anything, on the contrary, they asked us food, like we were asked in the trenches and in the teela. The closed part of the conversation was dedicated to the problems of warring parts. The President, in the first part and in the other, richly noted in his notebook and commented a few times: "Wow, I didn't know about that..." "I've been hearing about this before..." - “Today I will call the Ministry of Defense and discuss it with them” ... Only once the President said zhorstko "net", if one of us zaproponuvav rіven penny payments for all regions. Putin vіdpovіv: “We are Russia, not Ukraine, we are a power, not a regime, and I am not ironic and I am not joking. Є the law, tse goodwill pay the skin region to your mobilization, showing me no right. Edit: quick paste into Google translate, no review. Edited June 15, 2023 by tsar4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 15, 2023 Author Share Posted June 15, 2023 https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/europe/russian-soldier-surrenders-drone-bakhmut-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 16, 2023 Share Posted June 16, 2023 2 hours ago, tsar4 said: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/06/15/europe/russian-soldier-surrenders-drone-bakhmut-ukraine-intl-hnk/index.html Sometimes you just got to acknowledge when you're licked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) Hungary holding Ukrainian POWs for Russia? Edited June 17, 2023 by tsar4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 The most surprising news since research showed that inmates enjoyed self-gratification!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 Cross-contamination from the Trump thread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 This could be Time's Chernobyl. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 17, 2023 Author Share Posted June 17, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 12:53 PM, scoobdog said: As possible collateral damage by the destruction of the road on top of it? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2023/06/16/world/europe/ukraine-kakhovka-dam-collapse.html 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 0 days since a single careless smoking incident on the Russian side of the border. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 18, 2023 Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 Ukrainian Special Forces, with malice of forethought, rescue drowning Russian soldiers after dam destruction. Those damn nazis. /s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 2 hours ago, tsar4 said: 0 days since a single careless smoking incident on the Russian side of the border. Every family has at least one person that grills with kerosine. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 https://twitter.com/War_Mapper/status/1671207967843139584 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 21, 2023 Author Share Posted June 21, 2023 (edited) Wonder if she's accredited?_Can I get course credit? Edited June 21, 2023 by tsar4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 A tragedy in three acts. 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 21, 2023 Share Posted June 21, 2023 Remember in March 2022, when the whole world went, "oh my god, Russia can't do it. They're not capable of taking Kyiv. We assumed they could, but they can't. Now we know how limited Russian military capabilities are; why would they demonstrate their weakness? Those idiots!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted June 22, 2023 Share Posted June 22, 2023 On 6/16/2023 at 9:06 PM, tsar4 said: The most surprising news since research showed that inmates enjoyed self-gratification!!! what was this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 22, 2023 Author Share Posted June 22, 2023 4 hours ago, discolé monade said: what was this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Not getting your way?_Use Nukes! "There are very few personal problems that cannot be solved through a suitable application of high explosives." - Scott Adams Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This would be a pretty big step from where we currently are. I dont totally disagree with it though. If a Nuke goes off in Ukraine theres a pretty good chance that fallout will drift into a NATO country. Same with if Russia decides to blow up the nuclear power plant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Lindsey Graham. Really tells you everything you need to know about how serious the proposal is. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master-Debater131 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) Ummmm, something pretty big may be happening. The Russian army apparently has started to shell multiple Wagner positions. Wagner is responding by abandoning positions and Prigozhin is saying hes going to march on Moscow to take down the Russian MoD. None of this is confirmed, and most "sources" for this are Wagner affiliated, so take it with a grain of salt. But it could be that the power struggle between Wagner and the MoD has boiled over. Edited June 23, 2023 by Master-Debater131 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Master-Debater131 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped Wagner chief accuses Russia’s military of attack and says ‘evil’ leadership must be stopped Yuuuup. Things are getting spicy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 BBCs version of the story... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This sounds like either a quickly silenced insurrection, or the prelude to a full blown civil war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Officials accuse Wagner leader of mutiny Just gets better & better. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Things are happening very quickly. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tsar4 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Uh Oh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted June 23, 2023 Author Share Posted June 23, 2023 Rebuilding Ukraine "green" 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 I think Prigozhin is going to get whacked. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seight Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This feels as close as we're getting to a heel-face turn in this war. I mean he's not a GOOD person by any other measure but bear with me here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icarus27k Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Here is the reddit feed on russia/ukraine: https://www.reddit.com/live/18hnzysb1elcs Keep in mind that (a) absolutely nothing is confirmed (aka physical troop movement/conflict) beyond that both sides have declared what they've declared, and (b) everyone is taking it seriously 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 https://twitter.com/macrotargeting/status/1672378183285350400 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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