The1gairon Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) It continues... Edited April 8, 2020 by elfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Saw this coming. Call me when they replace one of the shows that isn't going on simuldub-hiatus-induced-hiatus with reruns, then I'll give a shit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) Not really a surprise. There's presumably going to be no way for them to get any current premieres for some time now. And that's assuming that they can even keep airing MHA and Jojo without a break. Edited April 7, 2020 by Top Gun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) hard to see toonami coming out of this okay Edited April 7, 2020 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 Wow, well the good news is we DO get to finish Demon Slayer. The bad news? Yeah, we just lose a half hour. To be fair, it's JUST a half-hour. We didn't lose a whole hour. On the other hand, the ratings lately have been DAMN good. I wonder if this means we'll go back to a repeating block like we had in 2012? Would hate for the Samurai Jack Season 5 rerun to be cut off, but if it has to move elsewhere, so be it. Frankly, I would put it at 9 PM if they've got to leave it on Saturday nights. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 47 minutes ago, Top Gun said: There's presumably going to be no way for them to get any current premieres for some time now. Outside of the one that Demarco all but confirmed on his Twitter today. $20 bucks says it still isn't Mob 2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I just hope to god it isn't Radiant. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I was hoping they could scrounge up older shows to close the proverbial gap but I suppose that’s not an option. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jman said: I was hoping they could scrounge up older shows to close the proverbial gap but I suppose that’s not an option. I feel like there's no reason they couldn't air some old hit anime like Angel Beats or Stein's Gate or something. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Jman said: I was hoping they could scrounge up older shows to close the proverbial gap but I suppose that’s not an option. Yeah it seems like the contracts they buy anymore are for one and done showings. Gone are the days of showing a series in syndication for years on loop. Really I don't think a lot of the series ASA had would have been as big in the west had they not been rerun to death. Then again that was in a time when streaming media was still mostly shit, and doing a torrent for an episode could take a up to 3 days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 45 minutes ago, Daos said: I feel like there's no reason they couldn't air some old hit anime like Angel Beats or Stein's Gate or something. Budget I would gather. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Wow, well the good news is we DO get to finish Demon Slayer. The bad news? Yeah, we just lose a half hour. To be fair, it's JUST a half-hour. We didn't lose a whole hour. On the other hand, the ratings lately have been DAMN good. I wonder if this means we'll go back to a repeating block like we had in 2012? Would hate for the Samurai Jack Season 5 rerun to be cut off, but if it has to move elsewhere, so be it. Frankly, I would put it at 9 PM if they've got to leave it on Saturday nights. Ah okay a HALF hour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 8, 2020 Author Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Outside of the one that Demarco all but confirmed on his Twitter today. $20 bucks says it still isn't Mob 2. Woooo at least they have new upcoming announcements! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Outside of the one that Demarco all but confirmed on his Twitter today. $20 bucks says it still isn't Mob 2. It should be quite interesting to see what they managed to get during this situation. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 Maybe DeMarco finally caved and got an isekai. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 30 minutes ago, Jman said: Maybe DeMarco finally caved and got an isekai. If he did. It’s probably not that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 My bets are..... Re Zero Shield Hero Goblin Slayer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Jman said: Budget I would gather. How much does airing a 10 year old anime that every anime fan has already seen cost? They should be able to work out a deal =( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Daos said: How much does airing a 10 year old anime that every anime fan has already seen cost? They should be able to work out a deal =( This is incredibly short notice and there’s no telling what their budget is tied up in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, Daos said: How much does airing a 10 year old anime that every anime fan has already seen cost? They should be able to work out a deal =( The best deals tend to be for whatever show the licensor wants to pimp at the time. They have been known to raise the price of older shows when they’re not trying to pimp a new Bluray or DVD set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, Jman said: This is incredibly short notice and there’s no telling what their budget is tied up in. Yes but it doesn't hurt to try. I'm sure if he haggled he could at least get a dumb harem anime like Infinite Stratos or Haganai to at least have something new on the block. The guy has to have some sort of clout or decent relations with people after all this time. I mean he's willing to suck people off to get terrible Gundam shows on the air .......he could make more of an effort =P 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 LOL Toonami cancelled and replaced by Brazzers videos on shuffle. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 6 hours ago, Daos said: My bets are..... Re Zero Shield Hero Goblin Slayer Goblin Slayer is possible. Shield Hero and Re Zero I think are too slow for Toonami. Also ANN didn't like shield hero and tried to get the dub canceled because of the "me too" drama at the time. ANN didn't like goblin slayer either because of the rape, but they just called that trash and didn't try to call for its cancellation. Most likely I think will be Goblin Slayer or Overlord. It would be a legend move though if they got Konosuba. At the same time though I am doubtful that they will get an isekai. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 8 hours ago, Daos said: Yes but it doesn't hurt to try. I'm sure if he haggled he could at least get a dumb harem anime like Infinite Stratos or Haganai to at least have something new on the block. I say yes to Infinite Stratos, let these idiots who think Food Wars ain't shit know what true suffering is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 10 hours ago, Sketch said: If he did. It’s probably not that one. You say that as if he hasn't licensed insanely problematic animes just recently 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 The term problematic was already dying on the vine, the resulting shift to comfort entertainment will probably kill it altogether. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I don't think I'd watch Shield Hero if it were licensed, but I wouldn't mind Toonami airing it at all, even if it would cause a backlash. More than anything, I think the block really needs to make a move on the Crunchyroll catalog. It pains me how that alleged "partnership" amounted to almost nothing. Are the TV rights for shows like KonoSuba! just not available? Are they going for ridiculously high prices? Whatever the reason is, I think the block should try to strike a deal and get some of that content even if it's a bit unwieldy for them. With how slim the pickings are right now, it's good to future-proof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 I’ve heard rumors department heads are pushing back on AT&T’s attempts to restructure, so maybe DeMarco not wanting Crunchyroll stuff is an attempt to avoid CR taking his power and influence in the WarnerMedia sphere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 4 hours ago, mochi said: You say that as if he hasn't licensed insanely problematic animes just recently Yeah but he probably draws the line with “positive” slavery and false rape accusations from a woman being two major parts of a series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Blatch said: I don't think I'd watch Shield Hero if it were licensed, but I wouldn't mind Toonami airing it at all, even if it would cause a backlash. More than anything, I think the block really needs to make a move on the Crunchyroll catalog. It pains me how that alleged "partnership" amounted to almost nothing. Are the TV rights for shows like KonoSuba! just not available? Are they going for ridiculously high prices? Whatever the reason is, I think the block should try to strike a deal and get some of that content even if it's a bit unwieldy for them. With how slim the pickings are right now, it's good to future-proof. i do think it's odd how the crunchyroll partnership has not really helped toonami at all 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 3 hours ago, Blatch said: I don't think I'd watch Shield Hero if it were licensed, but I wouldn't mind Toonami airing it at all, even if it would cause a backlash. More than anything, I think the block really needs to make a move on the Crunchyroll catalog. It pains me how that alleged "partnership" amounted to almost nothing. Are the TV rights for shows like KonoSuba! just not available? Are they going for ridiculously high prices? Whatever the reason is, I think the block should try to strike a deal and get some of that content even if it's a bit unwieldy for them. With how slim the pickings are right now, it's good to future-proof. Crunchy for whatever reason doesn't like Konosuba. Despite all the popularity it has they act as if they'd wish it would just get swept under the rug. It took them like 3 years just to dub season 1, and had no physical release out till now, which you can pre-order 4 years after the fact. Season 2 came out in 2017 and only now just got an eng dub last month because Isekai quartet got popular. It was weird that nearly every other country had a dub for Konosuba before an english dub got made. As for getting Konosuba I'd assume that either Crunchy wants too much money for it, or Toonami staffs dislike for Isekai keeps them from wanting to pay more than the cost of a cheese sandwich for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 8, 2020 Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 hours ago, mochi said: You say that as if he hasn't licensed insanely problematic animes just recently You're the only one who found the top two problematic. Even look up Puri Puri Prisoner on twitter, nothing but positive nice things are said about him. The SAO one if anything got more shit because they censored it then lied about it calling it uncut, and acted like people didn't have access to uncensored version. Then they tried to put the blame on funiamtion, but funimation had the scene intact; then they said "oh it was a time thing sometimes we have to cut things out to fit the time slot". Which made no sense since they didn't just cut to break, same amount of time passed they just shifted the panel and added bullshit censor filters. Everyone was pretty hyped at the time about Fire Force. Some people did complain about it though, but from the youtube videos it just seemed like they were mad because it didn't pander to their fetish. Like they felt it would have been fine if there were more shirtless scenes with the guys working out or while fighting sweat glistening from their pecs, but Male gaze and female fanservice/objectification was the problem they had. Reddit seemed more in line though with just not wanting fanservice and tamaki ruined the show for them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Fire Force's "fanservice" is pretty fucking terrible and definitely somewhat brings down what would otherwise be a super-solid show. And SAO has been godawful in its treatment of female characters from the get-go. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gina Szanboti Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 15 hours ago, HardcoreHunter said: Also ANN didn't like shield hero and tried to get the dub canceled because of the "me too" drama at the time. Where are you getting this from? They did weekly reviews of all 25 episodes, which I don't think they would've done if they were trying behind the scenes to get it cancelled. They may have opinions that differ from yours on shows but they don't have any sort of clout to do that, nor have I seen any evidence of them ever trying to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 9, 2020 Author Share Posted April 9, 2020 4 hours ago, HardcoreHunter said: Crunchy for whatever reason doesn't like Konosuba. Despite all the popularity it has they act as if they'd wish it would just get swept under the rug. It took them like 3 years just to dub season 1, and had no physical release out till now, which you can pre-order 4 years after the fact. Season 2 came out in 2017 and only now just got an eng dub last month because Isekai quartet got popular. It was weird that nearly every other country had a dub for Konosuba before an english dub got made. As for getting Konosuba I'd assume that either Crunchy wants too much money for it, or Toonami staffs dislike for Isekai keeps them from wanting to pay more than the cost of a cheese sandwich for it. They wanted to dub the movie, but the virus put that on the shelf, so you can't very well blame that on them not liking it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 On 4/7/2020 at 8:30 PM, Daos said: I feel like there's no reason they couldn't air some old hit anime like Angel Beats or Stein's Gate or something. It's basically what Sketch said. Older animes, especially the popular ones which are going to be the ones you want, can have much higher price tags to air than newer animes that companies are going to want to really pimp out to the public in as many ways as possible to try to bring in that physical sales money. As an example, supposing that censoring wasn't even an issue anymore they still couldn't afford 'Ranma 1/2' even though it's been released to the public in so many forms that even I have a complete set at this point. They could probably get the full rights [ tv and web / streaming ] to at least two newer series for the cost of a couple of seasons of Ranma. And I wouldn't count all things out just yet. The budget for the year was already set up before the poo hit the fan. Slowing things down and stretching things out with a few marathons here and there is basically a safety net to ensure that things that were already planned for but might be delayed due to various people being under quarantine will still have a place in the schedule, just a little later down the road than expected. It's to keep things from being a repeat of 'Code Geass' where there was an unforeseen delay in dubbing that caught the schedule off guard. They were able to fill in those off weeks by Manning hitting up the boards and getting fan favorite episodes suggested. They don't really have that sort of immediate direct fan anything now other than via Twit which is accessible by literally anyone who signs up for it, half of which probably thought they were linking to a porn account. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 33 minutes ago, Top Gun said: Fire Force's "fanservice" is pretty fucking terrible and definitely somewhat brings down what would otherwise be a super-solid show. And SAO has been godawful in its treatment of female characters from the get-go. Nah everything looks fine here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, Daos said: Nah everything looks fine here She's training to be in a Batman movie... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 55 minutes ago, Daos said: Nah everything looks fine here How that episode got away with a PG eludes me to this day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 41 minutes ago, Gina Szanboti said: Where are you getting this from? They did weekly reviews of all 25 episodes, which I don't think they would've done if they were trying behind the scenes to get it cancelled. They may have opinions that differ from yours on shows but they don't have any sort of clout to do that, nor have I seen any evidence of them ever trying to. I didn't say they were trying behind the scenes. One of the reviewers from ANN said it off hand when they were arguing with someone about kickvic. Can't find the tweet so either it's gone or I just suck at remembering people's names and am not looking in the right place. Either way it was the guy who got accused of sexual misconduct which I think got disproved. He was arguing with someone over kickvic and said some stuff about shield hero should be dropped by crunchy because trolls were using it to Meme or something along those lines. Impressions by the staff though used words like the series is. "irredeemable" "The idea that men are aggrieved victims of some matriarchal conspiracy is not only an imaginary boogeyman, it's something that has caused real harm in the world outside this work of fiction." "It seems like an unbelievably bad time to start an anime series with the main character being falsely accused of sexual assault. That premise makes the show seem tone-deaf, and I imagine it'll drive away some potential viewers. But for me, this premiere had issues that went beyond just one ill-conceived plot device." "Shield Hero's premise feels like a tone deaf story choice at best, and an indicator of the author's own feelings about women at worst." As shows go it isn't really my cup of tea. The story just got boring after a while, plot points were like beating a dead horse. The 3 heroes act like idiots, shield tries to talk sense, fuck you devil shield!, Shield does a thing, everyone realizes his value in the moment, next episode everyone has rest as if shit never happened then spear starts shit repeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Top Gun said: Fire Force's "fanservice" is pretty fucking terrible and definitely somewhat brings down what would otherwise be a super-solid show. And SAO has been godawful in its treatment of female characters from the get-go. I guess I see more humor in it that helps lighten the tone myself than it being something that breaks the show. SAO though I said in the episode thread I think the Mangka had a very limited understanding of how to write villains. It's like not enough for them to already be doing a lot of evil shit, but they also have to be rapists/molesters to drive it home. It kinda loses it's impact and becomes repetitive by the 5th rapist/molester. To be fair though I guess he did end up making that Pontifiex a rapist/molester as well, at which point she was molested to death by that dwarf. Though I do watch SAO for the same reason I watch bad C list horror films. Just everything is done badly but it becomes entertaining in how bad it is like a train wreck. The only odd thing though is that some people actually enjoy SAO Unironically. It would be like someone came up and told you that Plan 9 from Otter Space is their favorite film...What? I mean how many anime introduce a Character that has AIDS for no other reason than it's the only way for them to kill a character off that season since you can't die in the game anymore. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 22 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: How that episode got away with a PG eludes me to this day. I actually like the idea of this being PG. It makes me think that there were young children watching this, who had their parents watching it with them; and the parents had to explain the context of the scene as all parents do as the FCC is law. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 Y'know, ignoring the fact that that specific episode originally premiered on the block at 2 in the friggin' morning... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, elfie said: They wanted to dub the movie, but the virus put that on the shelf, so you can't very well blame that on them not liking it. I know they're going to dub the movie, they just finished season 2 last month and the movie only became available subbed a week ago. I don't know when they're going to dub it. Maybe 2 or 4 years form now and a physical release in 5, but they'll get around to it. Really though they're only bothering with it because of isekai quartet. The first 2 seasons were on the backburner forever until the spinoff blew up. I hope for season 3 of quartet that they do a cameo for interspecies reviewer Would get a laugh out of seeing how funimation would handle that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 7 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: Y'know, ignoring the fact that that specific episode originally premiered on the block at 2 in the friggin' morning... Don't know about you but I used to stay up all night and watch R rated movies as a kid. If it wasn't Monstervision is was shows on ASA. Hell cowboy bebop had all kinds of stuff in it that aired in 2001 when I was 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 1 hour ago, katt_goddess said: She's training to be in a Batman movie... Tom Cruise did it and no one complained one bit. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 This week on Shield Hero.... The protagonist buys a slave! Seriously that happens. I still liked the show though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardcoreHunter Posted April 9, 2020 Share Posted April 9, 2020 9 minutes ago, Daos said: This week on Shield Hero.... The protagonist buys a slave! Seriously that happens. I still liked the show though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 Well, that sucks. But, any idea if this is something that was going to happen regardless, or is happening due to coronavirus? Either way, can't really complain too much, given the circumstances. Of course, that won't stop some people. And yeah, budgets and show picks and whatnot were probably made well ahead of time. So the only issue should be with airing anything that isn't fully dubbed. My Hero Academia is an issue because of how close the airing is to the dub. That shouldn't be a problem with most shows. Huh, I had no idea that older shows would be more expensive than hot new shows. It seems counter-intuitive. Old shows, even ones popular in their time that might still have a following, aren't going to have to the same kind of demand as a new show people want to watch right this instant. There's also the unfortunate issue of people not even wanting to look at classics or give them a chance. Because they're "too old" "before my time" "aged poorly" etc etc. It's like how people who won't even watch black and white movies just because they're black and white, when those are some of the best movies we have! So yeah maybe don't charge so much for something like Ranma and you might actually have some people stumble upon it and significantly increase its fanbase. At the same time, I can see companies charging out the ass for a show because they know a network will want to have this hot new show that will likely get them lots of viewers. So... that just... sounds odd... to me. But, whatever the reason, if old shows can't be afforded, then I suppose it can't be helped. That means any older show they might get to fill the gap would have to be more obscure. That would still be better than reruns or lost time slots, but again, if they can't manage it, it's understandable. My thinking would be that their budget was already committed to what they were going to get anyway. If any of those shows had dubs that got delayed, then they're fucked. The shows that were done they will be fine. I do feel like a dub could still be done safely. You've got one person in a booth, and maybe a few other people in another room or rooms. It's not like there is a huge crew crowded together to do this, as far as I'm aware. Of course those people would still be going back to family, some of whom might be at high risk, if those employees aren't themselves, even if they are interacting with a handful of people, and mostly at a distance. I'm unsure if the other studios will be able to swing that setup Funimation had for doing that MHA episode. I suppose we just have to wait and see. I'm glad to hear Demarco has a new show coming, though. I suppose it's the replacement for Demon Slayer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted April 12, 2020 Share Posted April 12, 2020 On 4/8/2020 at 8:42 PM, Top Gun said: Fire Force's "fanservice" is pretty fucking terrible and definitely somewhat brings down what would otherwise be a super-solid show. And SAO has been godawful in its treatment of female characters from the get-go. Fire Force is super-solid? Really, dude? Not saying the show is terrible, but it had questionable writing and pacing at times. The Hibana and Rekka arcs were too rushed and not built up properly. After the traditional Japanese squad people were introduced the show got better. But then it just went off the deep end with the over the top powers of Sho and then how Shinra counters them. The technobabble for those powers would have even Data short circuiting! The show stopped being grounded. Then Shinra shrugs off being stabbed through the heart. Then it completely abandoned having the powers be explained or make sense, when that doctor lady just sets Shinra on fire and "her power heals because it looks like the healing snake symbol." Come on. I would say the fan service wouldn't be such a problem if it wasn't happening at such inopportune times on some occasions. Like during the serious fight with Rekka, was not an appropriate time. But, if there just wasn't any fan service or the fan service was better done, it's not like it would suddenly fix those other issues and the show would be so much better. I'd say the issue is with the girls in SAO is mainly in specific moments, and especially with a specific story arc. If we treat the Fairy Dance Arc like the Bount Arc of Bleach and pretend it doesn't exist, we're much better off. The scene with Sugo assaulting Asuna, in front of Kirito, no less, was extremely fucked up, but then the one in Alicization, when we thought were done with all that sort of thing, was just fucking heinous. And yeah, as has been mentioned, Reki uses it for cheap heel heat to make the villains more evil and hated, when it isn't necessary. People do like to be selective and only focus on bad scenes, and omit others, like the time Asuna rushed to save Kirito and broke the game to run across the map to get to him, saving him from that murder guild guy. Yeah, characters like Lisbeth, Silica, are pretty meh. Suguha, I like her but she could have been better. But Asuna, Sinon, Yuuki, Alice, how can you hate them? But at least Reki seems aware of his writing mistakes and has promised to do better. And in my opinion at least, the show has improved as it has gone along (aside from Fairy Dance, of course.) https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2018-12-11/reki-kawahara-apologizes-to-voice-actors-for-latest-sword-art-online-episode/.140635 https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-01-21/sword-art-online-author-reki-kawahara-says-female-characters-should-not-be-treated-as-trophies/.142337 He was also aware of the issues with pacing and time skips and other problems in the Aincrad arc which is why he is remaking it with Progressive. And look at this article I just found! https://www.animefeminist.com/feature-when-creators-strive-to-improve-female-representation-the-case-of-sword-art-onlines-reki-kawahara/ You gotta' give credit where credit is due! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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