nameraka Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) yes, no, or other? Edited March 9, 2019 by nameraka Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 It depends on how tasty it is, especially compared to meat from a full organism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Sandstone said: It depends on how tasty it is, especially compared to meat from a full organism. i think i would. i just don't like the idea of killing animals to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 all meat is made of stem cells. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) Yes, I know the mentality around survival as compared to the thousands of years of human evolution has really become rather pussified in the last few decades. There's nothing wrong with that sentiment as long as you're not advocating it as societal level change for others, imo. I personally would have no problems raising and killing my own animals if I could afford to do so. I actually think it is the more respectful form of meat eating. There has really been a major loss of primal connection in the last 100 years in the course of technological advancement and human convenience. Edited March 9, 2019 by Sandstone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Why was why not NOT an option? The debate around that seems much more political than scientific honestly..Though bad lab practices could result in faulty stock..the same can be said, and more about some farming operations/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Me Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I don’t agree with picking and choosing what animal is too “smart” to eat... cows have shown to be incredibly smart...yet we eat them....but god forbid you eat a horse...nothing wrong with horse meat...but apparently they are too “smart”... it’s a waste of good protein... dog food has horse in it...as far as I know they still use horse to make some glue products....but nope...can’t fuckin eat em... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: all meat is made of stem cells. yes, yes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 It's only political because it's a philosophical debate arising from the modern moral equivocation of animals to humans as a species. Let us go through another ice age in the next 100 years, these sentiments will evaporate rather quickly I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Nah. I don't need science involved any more than it already is when it comes to my food. Of course, if I purchase some livestock soon, fuck it. I won't be buying anything from the stores anymore. Long story short, I don't want a burger that came from a petri dish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 2 minutes ago, Still Me said: I don’t agree with picking and choosing what animal is too “smart” to eat... cows have shown to be incredibly smart...yet we eat them....but god forbid you eat a horse...nothing wrong with horse meat...but apparently they are too “smart”... it’s a waste of good protein... dog food has horse in it...as far as I know they still use horse to make some glue products....but nope...can’t fuckin eat em... That's only western society, you go to other areas of the globe and they have no qualms about eating just about anything that moves too long in front of them. That is what necessity combined with hunger will do to a rather frivolous concern such as this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, midnight said: Nah. I don't need science involved any more than it already is when it comes to my food. Of course, if I purchase some livestock soon, fuck it. I won't be buying anything from the stores anymore. Long story short, I don't want a burger that came from a petri dish. It's bad enough getting a burger from a cow that was probably kept in a cage almost it's entire life and pumped full of antibiotics to prevent plague due to those conditions. I can see your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, Sandstone said: It's bad enough getting a burger from a cow that was probably kept in a cage almost it's entire life and pumped full of antibiotics to prevent plague due to those conditions. I can see your point. I'm in a livestock infested community. I can get fresh ground beef from the dairy farm, which has free range, grass fed cows. No cages. I know that doesn't solve everyone's problem, but it solves mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, midnight said: I'm in a livestock infested community. I can get fresh ground beef from the dairy farm, which has free range, grass fed cows. No cages. I know that doesn't solve everyone's problem, but it solves mine. Ideally, that is how it should be, but as a matter of practicality in the face of exponentially increasing human population unrealistic for everyone. And since meat is the primary source of protein in the human diet and a very important one some kind of mass farming would currently be necessary. I think we can probably do better in how we implement animal farming, the conditions and treatment of livestock in general. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 minutes ago, Sandstone said: Ideally, that is how it should be, but as a matter of practicality in the face of exponentially increasing human population unrealistic for everyone. And since meat is the primary source of protein in the human diet and a very important one some kind of mass farming would currently be necessary. I think we can probably do better in how we implement animal farming, the conditions and treatment of livestock in general. I agree. Chemically inducing animals with antibiotics and steroids is not only harmful to the animal, but to the consumer. As having raised chickens before, I can tell you what I'm sure you already know. And that is chicken breasts and thighs are not that big. But the ones in the stores are huge. Not naturally huge. Altered. This is one of the biggest reasons why I want to purchase my own livestock. The animals I purchase will be free to roam. Grass fed. No chemicals. Slaughtered humanely. Nothing going to waste. This may soon finally be becoming a reality for us. And if we have an over abundance, we can sell some, and/or donate some. I don't believe in wasting anything. And I do not support mass farms that mistreat and alter the animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 (edited) So gmo bad or something.. How so.. Especially when it takes certifications, and knowledge that hasn't really been presented in any arguement against it..Current pesticides are horrible for ecology worldwide, but this doesn't seem to come up in the minds of GMO repugnant people near as often. Edited March 9, 2019 by PhilosipherStoned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 You saw this news story, didn't you? https://www.geek.com/geek-pick/a-single-3d-printed-burger-currently-costs-over-300000-to-make-1536823/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: So gmo bad or something.. How so.. Especially when it takes certifications, and knowledge that hasn't really been presented in any arguement against it..Current pesticides are horrible for ecology worldwide, but this doesn't seem to come up in the minds of GMO repugnant people near as often. It doesn't really affect me. I grow my own produce. I use no pesticides. None. Our garden comes out full. I know that doesn't help anyone else, and I know not everyone can have a garden. But it solves the food crisis for me. It works for us. I really have no opinion regarding gmo's, since it doesn't affect me. I'm not down with the stem cell meats. I'll tell you why. All of this research and time and money shouldn't have to be spent on ways to better the quality of food we are eating. The fucking farms should be shut down for shooting up animals with chemicals to alter their sizes and mistreating them by housing them in cages. Same for the farmers who are spraying harmful pesticides on their crops. Shut them assholes down and fine the fuck out of them. Get people to grow produce the right way and those who are livestock farmers, open range grass fed, or gtfo. Those farmers are the ones doing the damage, and all of this money and time spent on research for alternatives, is just enabling these assholes to continue with the same practices they have been doing. Shut those farmers down. Either comply with the proper standard procedures or gtfo. Our department of agriculture should be doing a better job making sure everything is done the right way, but at the end of the day, it's all about money. Not quality. Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the genetic modification of organisms. I am against the fact that it has to exist because these money hungry pieces of shit farmers are allowed to mass produce this garbage and make mad profits off of it, while not only harming the animals, but also harming the consumers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunStarHero Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 The future is now. We eatin' wagyu on Mars. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I'm like nabs in that I recognize the negative effect mass cattle farming has on climate change, but I am unlike nabs in that I am not willing to give up eating beef. I will however would be willing to at least try lab-grown meat as a replacement, and if it is the same cost or cheaper, and is tasty, I would probably be willing to use it as a permanent replacement for farmed beef. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuggstop Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 All meat is grown from stem cells so yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 (edited) I had to read that carefully.. Many big profit farming operations take advantage of government subsidies to have industrial waste/ well documented chemical garbage shot into their stock I know, but GMOs...Meaning literally genetically modified organisms do not automatically entail the same stuff.. Many farms have gotten with great programs to modify the stock to be resistant to the same bullshit bad farming practices have led them to be susceptible to by ignorant breeding etc. Just kind of seems like you're saying.. Well I can feed my family fuck everybody else.. but that's honestly part of the debate as a whole. As someone that comes from a place where sharecropping etc provides the best example... idk man. Edited March 10, 2019 by PhilosipherStoned 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
midnight Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 1 minute ago, PhilosipherStoned said: I had to read that carefully.. MAny big profit farming operations take advantage of government subsidies to have industrial waste/ well documented chemical garbage shot into their stock I know, but GMOs...MEaning literally gentically modified organisms do not automatically mean that's happening.. Many farms have gotten with great programs to modify the stock to be resistant to the same bullshit bad farming practices have led them to be susceptible to by ignorant breeding etc. And to add to my rant about farmers, this last hurricane we had last fall, well, it hit the southwest part of the state pretty hard, as it came up from the Gulf. All of those farmers are getting a bail out. Also, getting pay to make up for their losses due to the tariffs. They are growing shit with harmful pesticides and shipping their shit overseas. I cannot speak for all farmers obviously, but I can speak about all the ones I do know personally. Fuck them assholes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Texas would be a literal wasteland due to overfarming if people didn't have to get with the program. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 You guaranteeing said stem cells are not human stem cells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, tsar4 said: You guaranteeing said stem cells are not human stem cells? If it tastes like pig, would you really guess it wasn't pig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I'll eat anything as long as it tastes decent and won't kill me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandstone Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 2 hours ago, GunStarHero said: The future is now. We eatin' wagyu on Mars. Have you seen those pampered happy moomoos? There are few things cuter than a Wagyu... Both before and after the dinner plate I might add. *drools in technicolor* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamped Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 I have no way of actually knowing with 100% accuracy the meat I eat now wasnt grown in a lab since I dont slaughter my own meat. This whole thing reminds me of Okja, where the chick was like ... if its cheap, they'll eat it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nameraka Posted March 10, 2019 Author Share Posted March 10, 2019 16 hours ago, tsar4 said: You guaranteeing said stem cells are not human stem cells? i guarantee nothing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
molarbear Posted March 10, 2019 Share Posted March 10, 2019 Probably I have no idea what the Cheeseburgers they use to serve us in school were made of and I ate those 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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