Will there be an Animegate?

[The1gairon]

The onslaught of backlash coming from High Guardian Spice, and the way Crunchyroll has been treating their customers in general, as well as many other factors like those controversial line choices in Funimation's dub of My First Girlfriend Is A Gal, and Prison School, has made many question if anime fans are in for a #gamergate or #comicgate of their own very soon.  From my understanding, #animegate is when people complain about politics in localizations and other related topics so much, that the industry has no choice but to bite back.  Already, Crunchyroll has locked its own forum thread for High Guardian Spice's trailer because the posts got "too political" (think about that for a minute), and ANN's forum policies have become massively stricter. 

Will we even get an animegate?  And, more curiously, are we already in one? R you even worried about it?

 

Edited August 28, 2018 by elfie

[mochi]

there was never even really a Gamergate

just a handfull of whiny neckbeard Piss babies posting videos shitting their pants with anger that a game came out that let you play as a woman (apparently Tomb raider's existence 20 years earlier meant nothing to them), and one female blogger who cashed in on the claims of Gamergate by voluntarily shutting down her channel and claiming trillions of evil Men made her do it

and this is the same

just a hand full of creepers upset that the She-Ra reboot doesn't have mammoth tits anymore and that Crunchyroll's new Magical girl cartoon is aimed at kids and not horny Adult men

[The1gairon]

I agree and disagree with that video above.  I also believe we will never get an animegate, but not because fans will just abandon localizations. ... it's because there are no "gates" period, except the one having to do with water in the 1970's.  It's a bunch of asshurt fans complaining online and trying to legitimize it in their eyes by pretending it has a name.

Maybe people ignore Lara Croft in this because she was clearly depicted as being male eye candy, whereas these days, she's revamped more respectfully.

[PokeNirvash]

But we already had an Animegate. Like, three years ago.

[mochi]

15 minutes ago, elfie said:

I agree and disagree with that video above.  I also believe we will never get an animegate, but not because fans will just abandon localizations. ... it's because there are no "gates" period, except the one having to do with water in the 1970's.  It's a bunch of asshurt fans complaining online and trying to legitimize it in their eyes by pretending it has a name.

Maybe people ignore Lara Croft in this because she was clearly depicted as being male eye candy, whereas these days, she's revamped more respectfully.

pretty much what I said, there wasn't ever even actually a Gamergate, the only people who cared about Gamergate and claimed there was one were the people trying to start it, everyone outside of the Gamergate community didn't even know it was a thing

[QueenoftheDorks]

Do you mean will whiny neckbeards attack women and minorities in the fandom and industry and spend all of their time whining about too many gay/transgender/poc???

It doesn't work the same in regards with anime because if neckbeards start complaining about how straight white dudes are being erased from anime they'd have to point out examples and like 90% of anime characters are Japanese so... 

In regards to Crunchyroll locking a thread for being too political it's because they pointed out how diverse the creators are and you know neckbeards hate the word "diversity" like it murdered their parents. Most of the immediate backlash I saw to the show wasn't that it was "American anime" it was "THEY LET SJWS MAKE AN ANIMU!!"

[The1gairon]

2 minutes ago, QueenoftheDorks said:

 Most of the immediate backlash I saw to the show wasn't that it was "American anime" it was "THEY LET SJWS MAKE AN ANIMU!!"

But it not being an anime was also something they complained about to.  ... which again is bullcrap because it's a very naive and short-sighted argument to have. I thought that all ended when Avatar: The Last Air-Bender ended. Also, Crunchyroll NEVER PROMISED anime is all they would provide. Hell, they run live-action shows too!

Edited August 28, 2018 by elfie

[QueenoftheDorks]

4 minutes ago, elfie said:

But it not being an anime was also something they complained about to.  ... which again is bullcrap because it's a very naive and short-sighted argument to have. I thought that all ended when Avatar: The Last Air-Bender ended. Also, Crunchyroll NEVER PROMISED anime is all they would provide. Hell, they run live-action shows too!

True, but initially most of the comments I saw were complaining about it pandering to SJWs/tumblr because they were pushing a diverse staff.

[The1gairon]

Isn't ANY CARTOON these days pandering to Tumblr when you look at it a certain way?? Tumblr is just another outlet for people to voice their opinions on, post fan art, and other shit, like other social media sites. It's not entirely special.

[mochi]

1 hour ago, elfie said:

Isn't ANY CARTOON these days pandering to Tumblr when you look at it a certain way?? Tumblr is just another outlet for people to voice their opinions on, post fan art, and other shit, like other social media sites. It's not entirely special.

yeah, if there were cartoons pandering to tumblr we'd have gotten a netflix show with a  male/male romance where the gay characters don't all fucking die by now (''-__-'');;

[The1gairon]

23 minutes ago, mochi said:

yeah, if there were cartoons pandering to tumblr we'd have gotten a netflix show with a  male/male romance where the gay characters don't all fucking die by now (''-__-'');;

I only see it through a Tumblr lense when I'm in a bad mood.  See?? This is all because people are always depressed and in a bad mood!  Starting fights for no reason.

If no one makes that, I will do a comic of it someday.

[mochi]

4 minutes ago, elfie said:

I only see it through a Tumblr lense when I'm in a bad mood.  See?? This is all because people are always depressed and in a bad mood!  Starting fights for no reason.

If no one makes that, I will do a comic of it someday.

I've been planning a fanservicey Gay action comic for years now, I even made a mock-up cover page

only problem is my Anxiety, and ADHD tendancies make me unable to focus enough to make it an ongoing thing

[Jman]

5 hours ago, elfie said:

Isn't ANY CARTOON these days pandering to Tumblr when you look at it a certain way?? Tumblr is just another outlet for people to voice their opinions on, post fan art, and other shit, like other social media sites. It's not entirely special.

That depends on what you mean by Tumblr.

I think what saves or sinks this whole original enterprise is what their next show is.  If it’s Rebecca Sugar’s next joint, we’re getting AnimeGate.

Not that ___Gate means a lot.  There’s no central hierarchy, it’s usually a bunch of Youtubers whining incessantly and occasionally digging up some dirt on someone they don’t like.  It’s not the collective army of good neck beards think it is, nor is it this secret cabal keeping women down like its detractors think it is.  It’s a name a bunch of geeks use for publicity because something wasn’t the way they liked.  The rest of us go on ignoring it.

Edited August 28, 2018 by Jman

[Blatch]

I would argue that GamerGate is still very much alive. It's just twisted and transmogrified into different forms over the years, but the overall goal remains the same. Some of the people I've seen trash this new Crunchyroll show are at least GG-adjacent.

[Ric]

I don't know about any of this shit or care about it. I just watch shows that interest me and ignore the rest.

 

[Jman]

1 hour ago, Ric said:

I don't know about any of this shit or care about it. I just watch shows that interest me and ignore the rest.

 

That’s the kicker here.  If this was on Hulu, no one would give a fuck.  Just one show in an ocean of them.

But it’s on Crunchyroll so people feel like their money went towards this and not an original people would want to see.  Top it off with the lead writer being an asshole who hates men and anime and I expect her panel Saturday to go VERY badly.

Edited August 28, 2018 by Jman

[EmpressAngel]

I feel like I just got so much dumber for having to read the word "animegate".

Like, I'm pretty sure I don't know math anymore.

[mochi]

1 hour ago, EmpressAngel said:

I feel like I just got so much dumber for having to read the word "animegate".

Like, I'm pretty sure I don't know math anymore.

thank you

[Hidden]

On 8/28/2018 at 2:47 PM, mochi said:

I've been planning a fanservicey Gay action comic for years now, I even made a mock-up cover page

only problem is my Anxiety, and ADHD tendancies make me unable to focus enough to make it an ongoing thing

dont stop working on it.

[PurgatoryGirl]

Well, more than 30 years, Japan did have "The Otaku Panic."

A Japanese serial killer, necrophile, pedophile, and cannibal hoarded thousands of Slasher and Hentai videotapes consisting of child porn in his bungalow, if memory serves me right. He also raped and killed a 7-year-old girl and some other victims.

Because of him, Anime fans have been stigmatized. Being considered an "Otaku" has always been a negative label in Japan, since the late '80s. Also, because of that incident, "The Otaku Panic" became a disparaging label for anyone, who was an Anime and Manga fan.

Anyway, that scumbag was hung literally 10 years ago.

Edited August 31, 2018 by PurgatoryGirl

[ben0119]

STOP adding -gate to everything!  It only made sense for Watergate because that was the actual name of the fucking thing - the building Nixon's men tried to break into.  It also implies that a bunch of anime fans whining is anywhere near as big deal as Watergate.  And, what Angel said.

[ben0119]

On 8/28/2018 at 10:00 AM, mochi said:

there was never even really a Gamergate

just a handfull of whiny neckbeard Piss babies posting videos shitting their pants with anger that a game came out that let you play as a woman (apparently Tomb raider's existence 20 years earlier meant nothing to them), and one female blogger who cashed in on the claims of Gamergate by voluntarily shutting down her channel and claiming trillions of evil Men made her do it

and this is the same

just a hand full of creepers upset that the She-Ra reboot doesn't have mammoth tits anymore and that Crunchyroll's new Magical girl cartoon is aimed at kids and not horny Adult men

I agree with most of this, but that new She-ra cartoon looks like shit.  She doesn't even look like a woman, with narrow hips and wide shoulders, and a flat chest.  It implies that femininity is weak, which isn't exactly very feminist!  And She-ra's boobs aren't that big, certainly not by today's standards!  Also implying there can't be any busty heroines, is hypocritical when we're supposedly not supposed to be disqualifying any body types or features from being represented these days.  The He-man reboot was done well.  Something in the vein of that would be cool.  But, I probably just won't watch this.  I hadn't thought about the new She-ra since the original announcement at all until now.

[ben0119]

On 8/28/2018 at 4:58 PM, Blatch said:

I would argue that GamerGate is still very much alive. It's just twisted and transmogrified into different forms over the years, but the overall goal remains the same. Some of the people I've seen trash this new Crunchyroll show are at least GG-adjacent.

I wonder if some of those idiots are who have infested Star Trek and Star Wars now, complaining about SJWs and Mary Sues and whatnot.  Complaining about Star Trek having SJW stuff is especially hilarious.  What have they been watching all these years?!

[Daos]

While Roddenberry was alive Star Trek was basically his version of a communist future where everyone had access to everything and people didn't work for money... they just did work... just because. And humanity had evolved beyond the need to "Have things"

The Last Jedi was awful and pretty much ruined Star Wars, I can see why people were pissed about that.

[ben0119]

Well, socialist.  And yes post-scarcity society where people worked because they enjoyed their work.  No "dirty jobs" in the future, either, I guess.

I loved The Last Jedi, but I don't care to argue about that for the umpteenth time.  Anyway, I wasn't talking about people who didn't like the movie in general.  I was mainly talking about the anti-SJW idiots, who are worse than actual SJWs at this point, and they were around before TLJ came out, though the bitching has definitely increased since then.

[naraku360]

On 8/28/2018 at 8:09 AM, PokeNirvash said:

But we already had an Animegate. Like, three years ago.

What a tragedy it was, too.

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, ben0119 said:

STOP adding -gate to everything!  It only made sense for Watergate because that was the actual name of the fucking thing - the building Nixon's men tried to break into.  It also implies that a bunch of anime fans whining is anywhere near as big deal as Watergate.  And, what Angel said.

I think he's got a point. It really should be GamerWatergate, PizzaWatergate, and AnimeWatergate.

[naraku360]

33 minutes ago, Daos said:

While Roddenberry was alive Star Trek was basically his version of a communist future where everyone had access to everything and people didn't work for money... they just did work... just because. And humanity had evolved beyond the need to "Have things"

The Last Jedi was awful and pretty much ruined Star Wars, I can see why people were pissed about that.

I thought Jar-Jar ruined Star Wars forever.

Which means it won Star Wars for me because I got ammo to use against a douchebag in grade school who loved Star Wars.

[Daos]

Jar Jar is a beloved and cherished fictional character now.

You LOVED the Last Jedi? Why? How?

 

[Top Gun]

17 minutes ago, Daos said:

Jar Jar is a beloved and cherished fictional character now.

You LOVED the Last Jedi? Why? How?

 

I dunno, because he has a functioning brain?

[Daos]

Are you sure?

[ben0119]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

Jar Jar is a beloved and cherished fictional character now.

You LOVED the Last Jedi? Why? How?

If only Darth Jar Jar could have happened!

Yeah.  I liked the directions it took.  Star Wars can't just be doing the same shit over and over.  This movie takes it in bold, fresh directions. 

Rey being a nobody reinforces that anyone can have the Force, and it means that Rey is important because of who she is and what she does, not who she is related to or where she came from.  It's arguably set up by the conversation with Maz in TFA, among other scenes.

Luke sees in Kylo that he will destroy everything he built, and cause great pain and suffering.  Out of instinct he thinks of stopping it, realizing his mistake after it's too late.  It hearkens back to Anakin seeing that Padme will die, but he ends up causing it.  It's the danger of trusting these visions.  Or when Luke almost killed Vader in anger.  It's more interesting that Kylo turned because of this than he just he betrayed Luke for power or some other generic evil reason.

Luke, thinking he can only do more harm than good, removes himself from the equation, and only gets more disillusioned when he learns how flawed the Jedi were.  He ultimately realizes he is wrong and that he and the Jedi still have something to offer, despite their mistakes, and sacrifices himself in the way most befitting a Jedi, saving the Resistance without striking a single blow.

About the only thing I was a bit disappointed with at first, was Luke dying and not having an actual fight.  But when I thought more about it, it made sense for the story and his character.

I got a kick out of Snoke getting offed.  People wanted to know his backstory, but I never heard anyone say what he would do in the present story that would be interesting.  Now Kylo is free to become the ruler of the Galaxy with no one to answer to, as Vader never did.  People say he is emotionally unstable... that's what makes him so dangerous.

The movie is about failure, and it shows what happens when the heroes' plans don't work and how they deal with it and learn from it.  Rey fails, Poe fails, Luke fails, Finn and Rose fail.  The Resistance is in way worse shape than the Rebellion was at the end of Empire, though they took a lot of the First Order with them, too.  It destroys the illusion of safety and luck.  Though, luck doesn't exist in Star Wars.

Edited September 7, 2018 by ben0119

[Daos]

Spoiler

Torching all the build up on the mystery of Snoke and who Rey's parents were is not good writing. I mean I guess it's bold, but it's awful. I thought Mark Hamil was just being a cranky old guy when he went around before the movie came out saying how they screwed up Luke's character and Luke would never act the way he does in the movie, but he was dead on.

Snoke looks pretty old, where was he for the last 50 years? Just keeping to himself with massive force powers? Guess he decided to bide his time on this one eh?

Luke has a vision so tries to murder his nephew while he's sleeping? Uhhh right. The same guy that wouldn't kill mass murderer Vader? Luke dies because he used too much energy for a force projection? Stupid.

Leia suddenly can use the force and not die in space? Stupid.

Rey is a Mary Sue. She's been using the force for under a week and already defeated Kylo and Luke in combat. Even young Darth Vader couldn't do any of the stuff she does.

Kylo got beaten in the first movie by someone who turned on a light saber once. No credibility as a villain now.

Daisey Ridley can't act.

Rose makes Jar Jar look wonderful by comparison. Finn tries to sacrifice himself to save the rebels, but Rose knocks him out of the way.... which would probably have killed the entire rebellion and doomed the galaxy. But it's ok because she likes him or something.

Finn was supposed to have some sort of beef with captain Phasma but she dies after a 30 second fight. That was supposed to be his main nemesis by the way, the lady that got 1 minute of screen time.

So uh, where's the rest of the New Republic? Their fleets?  Their thousands of planets?  Why is the First Order so strong again?

Leia Han and Luke accomplished literally nothing in the last 40 years. Han returns to being a smuggler and Luke basically turns Kylo evil by trying to murder him in his sleep, then spends the next 30 years sulking alone on a rock. They accomplish nothing, the galaxy is a terrible place, and then they die for dubious reasons. If Lando comes back in the next one they'll just have him die in some stupid way.... oh and I hear he's pansexual now?

Luke doesn't want to help and didn't want anyone to find him.... but left a map so people could find him.

And the big fail that ruins the entire concept of Star Wars... the hyperdrive suicide attack. Hyperdrive doesn't work like that. Because of that stupidity, there would be no reason to ever build a big ship. Or a Death Star. Because you could just kill them with a smaller ship by pointing it at it and sending it into hyperdrive. So the entire concept of space fighting in Star Wars is just ruined. Any time you see a big ship you'll just be thinking..... well why don't they just one shot it like that one lady did that time?

Basically it wasn't just a bad movie like say... The Phantom Menace. This was a franchise killer. 

And you were ok with all of that and LOVED it? That's why I had a little trouble believing my eyes on that one. If you weren't familiar with Star Wars at all and saw it I can see why people might like it, it's a beautiful looking movie. But you're familiar with Star Wars yeah? And you still liked it? That's just baffling to me.

There's also the fact that Rian Johnson admitted that he just tossed out all the notes given to him from the previous director so there's absolutely zero coherence between the first two films of this trilogy.

 

 

 

[Jman]

6 hours ago, naraku360 said:

I think he's got a point. It really should be GamerWatergate, PizzaWatergate, and AnimeWatergate.

Edited September 7, 2018 by Jman

[EmpressAngel]

12 hours ago, Daos said:

You LOVED the Last Jedi? Why? How?

 

Have you SEEN Oscar Isaac's beautiful eyes?

[Daos]

6 hours ago, EmpressAngel said:

Have you SEEN Oscar Isaac's beautiful eyes?

That's another thing, Poe gets treated like shit in that movie. The guy destroyed Starkiller Base like 5 minutes ago. Imagine if everyone started being an asshole to Luke in Empire Strikes back.

[QueenoftheDorks]

I would toss out JJ Abrams's notes too. He's a pretty fucking terrible writer/director. I mean The Force Awakens was literally just the original Star Wars all over again. Hell the first Star Trek movie was just the original Star Wars all over again. He's too obsessed with trying to build mysteries~~~ and slip in easter eggs.

[Blatch]

Wow... this thread certainly took a turn. And yet I think we're all the better for it.

[Chapinator_X]

It is historical revision to say the prequels didn’t suck, but the Last Jedi did torpedo the new trilogy. Force Awakens was very basic as a retelling of the first movie, but had a lot of potential and promise that was shat away by Rian Johnson’s direction to ruin Luke, kill off major characters all around, waste enough time to create an entire second act worth of filler, and leaving IX with nothing to go off of but “I guess Kylo’s pissed that Rey won’t fuck him, and the whole movie will be about  him trying to get his dick wet using the First Order”. The Rose thing was crap, but Revenge of the Jedi level crap that was still funny to laugh at. The rest of the movie was more disappointing than anything.

Sure it’s better than Episodes I and II, but it didn’t HAVE to be ass. I’m open minded, I could’ve taken bland over Gungans and Clones. All they had to do to be better was to keep playing it Disney safe, but they made the conscious effort to take a massive shit on the old movies too on their way out, so I can see why people would be more personally offended by the newer ones despite the prequels being objectively awful.

[Daos]

I have altered the thread. Pray I don't alter it any further.

 

[Daos]

2 minutes ago, imchapp.in said:

It is historical revision to say the prequels didn’t suck, but the Last Jedi did torpedo the new trilogy. Force Awakens was very basic as a retelling of the first movie, but had a lot of potential and promise that was shat away by Rian Johnson’s direction to ruin Luke, kill off major characters all around, waste enough time to create an entire second act worth of filler, and leaving IX with nothing to go off of but “I guess Kylo’s pissed that Rey won’t fuck him, and the whole movie will be about  him trying to get his dick wet using the First Order”. The Rose thing was crap, but Revenge of the Jedi level crap that was still funny to laugh at. The rest of the movie was more disappointing than anything.

Sure it’s better than Episodes I and II, but it didn’t HAVE to be ass. I’m open minded, I could’ve taken bland over Gungans and Clones. All they had to do to be better was to keep playing it Disney safe, but they made the conscious effort to take a massive shit on the old movies too on their way out, so I can see why people would be more personally offended by the newer ones despite the prequels being objectively awful.

Well it's obvious what they were trying to do. Completely burn everything about the old Lucas Star Wars to ashes. They destroyed the characters, then killed them.  They all ended up as pitiful failures at life, everything they did was for nothing, and the New Republic? BOOM one shotted. Take that Lucas! I'm convinced they'll bring a pansexual Lando in for ep 9, and then kill him. Possibly after revealing that he was sent to the mines of Kessel for molesting children.

I mean, did you see what they did to Admiral Ackbar in that movie?

 

[Top Gun]

Anyone claiming that TLJ "ruined" Luke's character never understood Star Wars in the first place.  Or character-writing in general.

Seriously, this film is about the best thing to happen to the franchise since ESB.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Top Gun

[Daos]

5 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Anyone claiming that TLJ "ruined" Luke's character never understood Star Wars in the first place.  Or character-writing in general.

Seriously, this film is about the best thing to happen to the franchise since ESB.

I'm starting to think this guy isn't joking. 

Let's see what Mark Hamil has to say about his character

 

[Top Gun]

I'm deathly serious.  Like, I could go ahead and pick apart that whole spoiler post up there, but it's pretty much CinemaSins-level bullshit, and I've already devoted enough words to doing just that elsewhere.

And I certainly respect Hamill's opinions, but he himself has stated that he regrets how the whole thing has been spun and that he had a great deal of respect for what Rian Johnson was going for.  I'm really fucking sick and tired of the whole ZOMG HAMILL HATES IT! spin.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Top Gun

[Jman]

Everyone is an idiot, an unlikable asshole, or both.  It’s why I’m not going to watch Episode 9.

Also Rose Tico is basically Jar Jar.

[Daos]

The hyperspace thing alone completely ruins Star Wars. And It was ridiculous. You'll at least concede that? That it was ridiculous?

And Hamil did an about face after he was told he can't be out there trashing the hell out of the movie while promoting it. And they're right. He's under contract, you can't say that kind of stuff about the movie while you're doing your contractually obligated promotional appearances.

[Top Gun]

Just now, Daos said:

The hyperspace thing alone completely ruins Star Wars. And It was ridiculous. You'll at least concede that? That it was ridiculous?

Um...no?  That was one of the single-greatest pieces of cinematography I have ever seen.  And it doesn't ruin shit.

Seriously are you stooping to the StarDestroyer.net "WELL ACTUALLY they could have done X and Y at past event Z so this makes no sense!" level of pedantry?

[Top Gun]

2 minutes ago, Jman said:

Also Rose Tico is basically Jar Jar.

Does it take talent to consistently have such terrible hot takes?

[Jman]

28 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Does it take talent to consistently have such terrible hot takes?

Even by the director’s own admittance she didn’t belong in the film.  She was an idiot who made Finn less likable by association, and I really liked Finn in the TFA.  He certainly wasn’t the coward TLJ portrayed him as.  When his friend was in danger, his first instinct was to grab a lightsaber and charge the Sith Lord unsure if he could win.  Here he needs Rose to act as a moral compass despite being completely unlikable and idiotic.

Edited September 8, 2018 by Jman

[Daos]

11 minutes ago, Top Gun said:

Um...no?  That was one of the single-greatest pieces of cinematography I have ever seen.  And it doesn't ruin shit.

Seriously are you stooping to the StarDestroyer.net "WELL ACTUALLY they could have done X and Y at past event Z so this makes no sense!" level of pedantry?

Uh yeah see, It looked nice and all, that's not the issue. I don't think you really thought this through. See, by opening up this can O worms, you basically make it impossible for any faction in Star Wars to field a big ship. Because some dude with a much smaller ship can just destroy it by going into hyperspace now.

A Super Star destroyer was 8k long. Snokes Dread was 60km wide. A heavy cruiser 3.4k long was able to destroy a 60km Dreadnaught.. and at least 6 other Star destroyers that were escorting it.

So going by these new rules, you can't have big ships, and you definitely can't travel in a fleet with big ships. Your entire fleet could be wiped out by a ship you never even saw. Not only that, you wouldn't need a Death Star. You could destroy any planet by setting any big fat ship to auto pilot into a planet. You could destroy the death star by sending an empty freighter into it.

Why didn't anyone do this in the last 5000 years Hyperdrive has been around? Because Hyperspace doesn't work like that. Or at least it didn't, until a guy named Rian decided to make a movie.

Long story short, not only were the characters ruined, the entire concept of how space battles in Star Wars work is ruined. So there's really no where you can go from there. Time to pull an Amazing Spiderman 2, realize how badly you messed up, and reboot.