Jman Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Fuck ExoSquad. Kiddie shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Fuck ExoSquad. Kiddie shit. It has adult themes. Racism, etc. At least it's good, unlike Unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It has adult themes. Racism, etc. At least it's good, unlike Unicorn. Unicorn IS good. It's great to look at, even if it is incomprehensible on first watch. I'll bet its Live+7 numbers are higher because people have to watch it multiple times to figure out what the hell is going on, but I guess we'll never know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 It has adult themes. Racism, etc. At least it's good, unlike Unicorn. Unicorn's major issue is that it is a direct sequel to UC Gundam. Expo Squad's is that it's a kiddie knockoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Unicorn IS good. It's great to look at, even if it is incomprehensible on first watch. I'll bet its Live+7 numbers are higher because people have to watch it multiple times to figure out what the hell is going on, but I guess we'll never know... Pretty robot battles are worthless if you don't care about what's going on or the characters. Or, if the characters are annoying as fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Unicorn's major issue is that it is a direct sequel to UC Gundam. Expo Squad's is that it's a kiddie knockoff. With an insufferable main character. You know that suggestion was a joke, right? And what is it a knockoff of, exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Pretty robot battles are worthless if you don't care about what's going on or the characters. Or, if the characters are annoying as fuck. Ok, I guess I'll give you that one. It's not that I don't care about the characters at all, but I cared about the characters in IBO bit more. I hated to see them die and I hoped they would complete their mission of escorting Kudelia to Earth alive, and was happy to see that they did. As for Unicorn, I dunno, I just can't seem to develop the same sort of caring about them until one of them dies, like Cardeas Vist and the dude played by Richard Epcar. Also Loni, the chick in the giant land/sea mecha-turtle thingy. But Banagher IS annoying as hell, and Riddhe is even worse! I once heralded Gundam Unicorn as to giant robots what Hellsing Ultimate was to vampires, and while that comparison still stands in terms of the awesome animation both series boast, one huge difference is in their protagonists. Hellsing has probably the most awesome protagonist ever, while Gundam Unicorn has a Shinji (from Neon Genesis Evangelion) clone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Whoa whoa whoa are you knocking Exo squad? That show was awesome. It had tons of adult themes and people actually died. There was no other cartoon like it. It was more anime than a US cartoon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I have zero interest in ever seeing another Gundam show after IBO and Unicorn. They're boring. Even if I knew and cared what was going on... they'd still be boring. And to top it off... they're ratings poison. So why keep airing them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I have zero interest in ever seeing another Gundam show after IBO and Unicorn. They're boring. Even if I knew and cared what was going on... they'd still be boring. And to top it off... they're ratings poison. So why keep airing them? Because dedicated Gundam slot? Though in all honesty who knows how long they can keep that up? I'd be willing to bet that they get IBO Season 2 then go back to having no Gundam on the block. Well, unless they decided to get Wing or G or something. Something nostalgic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 If Gundam IBO Season 2 is anything like its predecessor, then they might want to go in a different direction with its follow-up. G Gundam in HD would be a really cool dose of amped up nostalgia for the block which would last pretty much all through 2018 and even some of 2019! Gundam's current 2 AM slot would be good for a so-bad-it's-good dub with ridiculously over-the-top animation not seen in a true mecha show since Gurren Lagann! (Though KILL la KILL did have mecha overtones, especially in the 2nd half.) The ratings for 4/22/17 won't come out for about 7 or 8 hours, and already there's good news for next week (4/29/17): There will be NO Game 7 between the Golden State Warriors and the Trail Blazers, as GSW has swept the Blazers in Game 4. A Game 7 involving GSW would have been just the worst for Toonami both in terms of ratings and trending. More good news: it's likely that some of the other Game 7's that were scheduled for that night won't need to be played, as the Houston Rockets currently lead the OKC Thunder 3-1, with games 5 and 6 still to go. Also reaching 3 wins so far and scheduled for a Game 7 that night is Toronto Raptors, currently leading the Milwaukee Bucks 3-2. Finally, and most likely to have a Game 7 that night, are the Memphis Grizzlies and San Antonio Spurs, which are currently tied 2-2. Of course, a Game 7 will only occur if after 6 games the 2 teams have a 3-3 tie. ANY Game 7 will significantly take Twitter buzz away from Toonami, though if only one needs to be played, it will likely be at 8 PM and won't interfere with Toonami at all, though TNT COULD go with 9 PM for a single Game 7. I think it also depends where it's played if that will be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I have zero interest in ever seeing another Gundam show after IBO and Unicorn. They're boring. Even if I knew and cared what was going on... they'd still be boring. Bruh...no need for making such rash decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Yeah, that was surprisingly decent for what I've heard about the dub. Would at least do well at 2:30 AM with other older shows! But unfortunately, Attack On Titan has returned with its lowest premiere episode ever in total viewers (though it HAS been slightly lower in Adults 18-49 even in 11:30 premieres in 2014), as it seems JoJo has done REAL damage to the 12:30 timeslot, and AOT needs to recapture its audience. http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-22-2017.html 4/22/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #11 (+1) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.46 Estimated 18-34 - 313,000 ( 35.61% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.40 Estimated 18-49 - 513,000 ( 58.36% ) Total Viewers - 879,000 4/22/2017 Samurai Jack - #6 (STEADY) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.82 Estimated 18-34 - 557,000 ( 41.88% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.68 Estimated 18-49 - 872,000 ( 65.56% ) Total Viewers - 1,330,000 4/22/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #7 (STEADY) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.64 Estimated 18-34 - 435,000 ( 44.57% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.50 Estimated 18-49 - 641,000 ( 65.68% ) Total Viewers - 976,000 4/22/2017 Attack On Titan - #10 (-1) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.51 Estimated 18-34 - 347,000 ( 42.01% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.41 Estimated 18-49 - 526,000 ( 63.68% ) Total Viewers - 826,000 4/22/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #13 (-2) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.42 . Estimated 18-34 - 285,000 ( 40.03% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.35 Estimated 18-49 - 449,000 ( 63.06% ) Total Viewers - 712,000 4/22/2017 Gundam Unicorn - #24 (-3) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.29 Estimated 18-34 - 197,000 ( 34.14% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.27 Estimated 18-49 - 346,000 ( 59.97% ) Total Viewers - 577,000 THE GOOD: Dragon Ball Super at 8 PM kicked a surprising amount of ass, tying its 18-49 high from Episode 8 on February 25th for a REALLY funny episode. And Samurai Jack has indeed tied a number in 18-49 not seen since Week 2 on March 18th! THE BAD: But I guess since more people in the target demo who watch it had already seen it, they didn't return for the 11:30 PM airing of Dragon Ball Super and that in turn hurt DBZ KFC, but the drop from that to AOT is by far the most baffling considering the amount of hype its return had. I expected a mild increase, but both the overall number and the demos plunged. THE UGLY: Tokyo Ghoul deserves better than less than 300K 18-34, but even though that episode of Gundam Unicorn was surprisingly low on action and REALLY talk-heavy, it deserved to at least get 200K 18-34, right? But it hit a low that I haven't seen since I started keeping up with 18-34 ratings again 2 years ago. The worst is actually how GOOD everything was 2 years ago, on the lead-up to that AWESOME Toonami "Summer of Love" in 2015 where the 12-3 AM block scored over a million on average for 7 weeks in a row! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 While I want to wait and see what a non NBA night looks like, I have to say this is what I was afraid of. Jack did great as usual despite it being on at the same time as the game. The 12:30 AM timeslot just is not a good slot anymore, especially for a premiere as big as Attack on Titan. The Super rerun has been down, which bleeds into Kai being down as well. This situation with Super is hurting things IMO. The 8pm has been siphoning away more of the target demographic, which may not hurt as much we think, but it does affect things. Attack on Titan should have gone to 11:30. It would probably hold the Jack viewers well. I believe for whatever reason, they weren't allowed to do that because of TOEI stipulations in regards to Super's timeslot. If that's the case, they can't really do much until Jack leaves. But if Titan can't hold or beat Kai, the network might not see the value in doing that and consider it too risky t move to the front. Kind of a catch 22, give a show a bad timeslot and the only way it gets a better one is if it does well in said bad timeslot! Again, I hope TOEI isn't the reason that Aot couldn't get 11:30. If so, I'd say it's a lesson to AS about giving too much control to a third party when it comes to programming decisions. I hope you guys sell a lot of toys! If not, please just accept it for what it is and let AS handle the timeslots. Considering the cost of getting Aot as a fast simuldub, it deserved a lot better treatment than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 In short, fuck Toei forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 I'd wager to say that the guys at Toonami know more about how to successfully run anime on TV in America than TOEI does. It's a totally different business model over there that is primarily merchandise driven. Also now we've hit the point where Kai isn't a dub premere anymore. We'll see if that has any effect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Fuck Toei. So it's basketball/hockey (Rangers baby!) to Jack, back to basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 Didn't we say here that it's competing against a ton of hyped sports broadcasts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 25, 2017 Share Posted April 25, 2017 " Tokyo Ghoul deserves better than less than 300K 18-34" No.. no it does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted April 26, 2017 Author Share Posted April 26, 2017 It's alright Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Ok, let's wrap this week up, shall we? http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-espn-nba-playoff-doubleheader-jumps-nearly-40-percent-year-ago-levels/ TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 879,000 10:30 PM Family Guy 1,246,000 11:00 PM Samurai Jack 1,330,000 (106.74%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 991,000 (74.51%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 976,000 (98.49%) 12:30 AM Attack On Titan Season 2 826,000 (84.63%) 1:00 AM Tokyo Ghoul 712,000 (86.20%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 659,000 (92.56%) 2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 577,000 (87.56%) 2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 547,000 (94.80%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 487,000 (89.03%) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 789,444 Dragon Ball Super falls under a million total viewers at 11:30 for the first time ever. Ouch! And I've already mentioned how disappointing that Season Premiere for Attack on Titan is. At least Jack still gains on its Family Guy lead-in to the tune of 7% in total viewers, but... ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 519,000 10:30 PM Family Guy 727,000 11:00 PM Samurai Jack 870,000 (119.67%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 634,000 (72.87%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 637,000 (100.47%) 12:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 523,000 (82.10%) 1:00 AM Tokyo Ghoul 448,000 (85.66%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 417,000 (93.08%) 2:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 344,000 (82.49%) 2:30 AM Naruto: Shippuden 331,000 (96.22%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 294,000 (88.82%) ADULTS 18-49 TOONAMI AVERAGE - 499,778 Yes, you read that right. Samurai Jack gained on its Family Guy lead-in in 18-49 by ALMOST TWENTY PERCENT! And Dragon Ball Super at 8 PM has also officially hit a new high in 18-49! Unfortunately that wasn't the case for the 11:30 encore during Toonami, as it had the worst retention of the night and was beaten by DBZ KFC. Then AOTS2 had the second-worst retention of the night, contrary to what had been predicted. Maybe they SHOULD have just run one episode of JoJo a week instead, as not even a 3-week-after-Japan broadcast dub has much of a premium versus a huge NBA Playoff game. Fortunately, it is most likely that the 2nd episode won't even be up against the NBA Playoffs! Finishing off the wrap-up, the running averages: CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 881,000 (15 episodes) Samurai Jack - 1,361,000 (6 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,160,133 (15 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,034,375 (16 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 826,000 (1 episode) Tokyo Ghoul - 753,000 (4 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 832,854 (48 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 701,875 (16 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 862,687 (155 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 520,667 (12 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Estimate) - 428,533 (15 episodes) Samurai Jack - 875,833 (6 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 706,933 (15 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 627,563 (16 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 523,000 (1 episode) Tokyo Ghoul - 473,500 (4 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 495,375 (48 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 427,813 (16 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 478,621 (138 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 324,417 (12 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 275,214 (14 episodes) Samurai Jack - 600,333 (6 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 426,750 (16 episodes) Attack On Titan Season 2 - 347,000 (1 episode) Tokyo Ghoul - 322,750 (4 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 293,000 (16 episodes) To sum up, AOTS2 may be off to a rough start, but hopefully it will begin to improve next week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Having AOT debut as the 4th show was just insanity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Having AOT debut as the 4th show was just insanity. Blame Toei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Now that the FORUMS ARE BACK UP, I'll say that hopefully this is just a case of the 2nd-Episode Syndrome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 So I guess the hot new opinion is that Toei, like Black Dynamite before it, ruins everything. Not bad. :poop: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Now that the FORUMS ARE BACK UP, I'll say that hopefully this is just a case of the 2nd-Episode Syndrome. Bookmark this backup http://unevenedge.freeforums.net just a reminder from the site archivist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Bookmark this backup http://unevenedge.freeforums.net just a reminder from the site archivist I actually did visit it. .... and was afraid to post considering all posts I saw there were from last November at the most recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 I actually did visit it. .... and was afraid to post considering all posts I saw there were from last November at the most recent. there is a hidden folder only accessible by registration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Currently there are still 2 NBA Playoffs Round 1 Game 7's up against Toonami on Saturday night: Raptors at Bucks and Spurs at Grizzlies. Both of the visiting teams have 3 wins. If the home team wins either, it will force a Game 7 on Saturday night between the teams for the decisive 4th win. Two home victories would likely mean the NBA Playoffs cut deep enough into Toonami to do some more damage. Also, seems I misspoke that there were 2 NBA games coinciding with Toonami last week. Turns out it was an NBA game and an NHL game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Oh God, DB Super just bled out this week, didn't it? Hopefully it does better next week. #FuckToei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Maybe we can get that trending? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Oh God, DB Super just bled out this week, didn't it? Hopefully it does better next week. #FuckToei Super did DAMN good at 8 PM though! An audience of 519K Adults 18-49 with like 313K of those between 18 and 34 is pretty insane for 8 PM Saturday night! And of course Bob's Burgers lost from there! But that MIGHT not be completely on Super's merit; does anyone know what Cartoon Network was playing at 7:30 PM that night? The problem is Super encores have no business being at 11:30. I'd say 12:30 is more fitting, especially if we're going to be in "filler" hell for a while... ...before Resurrected Frieza shows up! Too bad Toei is still apparently preventing that from happening, so still, #FuckToei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Could be Toei. Could be the reluctance to break up the DB hour. What sucks is that the 8pm isn't being used for anything other than a contract requirement. I wish they could build something there. If it did great for 8pm then leave it there and put something compatible like Shippuden after it. They may be able to change this deal later, but it seems more and more are catching on to the 8pm. If the 11:30 continues to behave more like the rerun that it is, then I hope they have the good sense to do something about it. If TOEI forbids it, then please, AS, don't punish the rest of the block for not doing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I wouldn't break up the DB hour. I would have AOT S2 at 11:30 and dropped Super to 12:30. But I have a theory about 8:30 on Saturday nights beginning in June, and that theory is another rerun of S5 of Samurai Jack. I think that would do OK especially if Toonami loses 11 PM and doesn't do a marathon of SJS5 on Memorial Day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 ... wait. Super is going to be in filler "for a while"??? whut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 You know they would've been better just playing Reserection of frizea and battle of the gods instead of playing super from the beginning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 ... wait. Super is going to be in filler "for a while"??? whut That's pretty depressing considering the non filler was awful so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 They may be afraid of sticking the rerun further down the block and further damaging the back end. At first it was working fine. More people were tuning in for 11:30, but it has been dropping and more people are watching the 8 and DVRs are picking that one up. Like I said though, this may be what they're stuck with if TOEI doesn't let them push the rerun later. As long as they don't punish the block because the later shows do worse then it's all good. When they stuck AOT reruns at 11:30 in 2014 it did so much damage that they cut the back end. That wasn't Toonami's fault at all, it was a programming blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone's gotta negotiate with Toei to eliminate the 8pm airing. Does Toei know how American TV works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 You know they would've been better just playing Reserection of frizea and battle of the gods instead of playing super from the beginning But then they'd be faced with only 4 or 5 hours of broadcast time, instead of the much cheaper option to air a ton more # of hours that reiterates the plot of both things, over a longer period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone's gotta negotiate with Toei to eliminate the 8pm airing. Does Toei know how American TV works? Clearly no. At least not 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Someone's gotta negotiate with Toei to eliminate the 8pm airing. Does Toei know how American TV works? Why eliminate the 8 PM airing when it's been pretty successful? That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face! You really think more people would watch the 11:30 airing if there was no 8 PM airing or if the 8 PM airing was an encore instead of a premiere? Funny thing is, they had the perfect opportunity to restructure that on April 1st by premiering the 13th episode of DBS after the R&M stunt and they blew it. I do however believe the 8 PM airing should be given Toonami packaging, or at least a full battery of topicals for shows coming up in Toonami other than Super. (Right now that would be Samurai Jack and Attack on Titan) https://cnschedulearchive.tumblr.com/post/159648212235/heres-the-cartoon-network-schedule-for-monday This handy little Tumblr blog I discovered is a nice repository for CN schedules, and shows that Dragon Ball Super's lead-in on 4/22 was none other than the blockbuster movie How To Train Your Dragon, a movie that appeals to both kids and 18-49 year olds alike. No WONDER DBS kicked more ass than it has in a good while! This week Charlie & The Chocolate Factory will be DBS's lead-in, so it seems it stands to keep doing better than if it were prefaced by reruns of TTGO as it was the week before last (Easter weekend, April 15th). But the lead-in the last time DBS at 8 PM cracked 500K 18-49 on 2/25/17, a week that it also got over 1 million viewers, the movie RIO was the lead-in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I think it would do better by virtue of being the only airing. DVRS would pick it up too. On the other hand, it may just bring the kind of viewers if leave after DBZ. But if you start the night low, other things are lower automatically. So I'm hoping that they do away with it once TOEI realizes they aren't going to sell toys. But if 8's doing great, then focus on that one and just let Kai lead off the block. Build a mini block out of the 8pm hour like you said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 But then they'd be faced with only 4 or 5 hours of broadcast time, instead of the much cheaper option to air a ton more # of hours that reiterates the plot of both things, over a longer period of time. Play it at 8pm won't kill the ratings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Clearly no. At least not 100%. That was a rhetorical question, Elfie. Your answering it ruined it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I think it would do better by virtue of being the only airing. DVRS would pick it up too. On the other hand, it may just bring the kind of viewers if leave after DBZ. But if you start the night low, other things are lower automatically. So I'm hoping that they do away with it once TOEI realizes they aren't going to sell toys. But if 8's doing great, then focus on that one and just let Kai lead off the block. Build a mini block out of the 8pm hour like you said! While that might actually be better for the block as a whole it wont be better for the ratings of Dragon Ball Super, which will always do better at 11:30pm than 8pm and usually by a significant margin though there are some odd weeks like the most recent one. I suppose if there wasn't an 11:30 encore you might be able to get more people to watch at 8pm especially if it was actually a small Toonami block. I can't imagine Jason being satisfied with Adult Swim airing DBS only outside of Toonami. Perhaps the 11pm hour should give way to a split shift of Toonami 8PM-10PM and 12AM-3AM 8PM-10PM is the ideal place to run the PG level shounen back to back while 12AM-3AM would use DBZ Kai for it's anchor and then proceed to heavier material. If they have any interest in airing Boruto and My Hero Academia, I'd say that's the best way to do it. Here's a potential schedule for after AoT season 2 ends --- TOONAMI Prime Time --- 8:00 PM - Dragon Ball Super 8:30 PM - My Hero Academia or Boruto 9:00 PM - Naruto: Shippuden 9:30 PM - Samurai Jack Reruns or FLCL Season 1 --- COMEDY BREAK --- 10:00 PM - Rick & Morty 10:30 PM - American Dad 11:00 PM - Family Guy 11:30 PM - Family Guy --- TOONAMI The Midnight Run --- 12:00 AM - Dragon Ball Z Kai 12:30 AM - JoJo's Bizarre Adventure or New Anime 1:00 AM - Gundam IBO Season 2 1:30 AM - Hunter x Hunter 2:00 AM - Tokyo Ghoul Root A 2:30 AM - Attack on Titan Season 2 Reruns (replacing GITS season 1) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Why eliminate the 8 PM airing when it's been pretty successful? That's like cutting off your nose to spite your face! You really think more people would watch the 11:30 airing if there was no 8 PM airing or if the 8 PM airing was an encore instead of a premiere? Funny thing is, they had the perfect opportunity to restructure that on April 1st by premiering the 13th episode of DBS after the R&M stunt and they blew it. Why cut the 8 PM airing? Because all it seems to be doing is get everyone to just tune in for THAT timeslot instead of the later one during the block, dropping its ratings down, and thus dropping the ratings for the rest of the block with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 They likely don't have a choice, so I would tend to support the idea of putting Toonami promos in with the airing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 The schedule that Sketch did is perfect. It puts the lighter stuff earlier in the night. It may get more teen/kid viewers, but that's a consequence of it being on earlier in the night. It gets rid of the Super rerun problem as well. My biggest problem with the 8pm airing is that it's there as a requirement, unpromoted, and only siphons viewed away from the 11:30, while not being used to anchor anything else. This may just be what they need to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Well, it's official: from here on out, the NBA will not affect Toonami at all, as there are no Playoffs games on Saturdays anymore, or at least not for the next 3 weeks: https://www.bing.com/search?q=nba+playoffs+2017&FORM=EDGNNC&PC=DCTS From what I understand, the finals are usually on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Sundays. However, there is still one major sports event which threatens to mitigate Toonami's absolute dominance of ratings and trending: The NFL Draft. It runs noon to 8 PM, so while it won't affect Toonami directly, it probably will beat Samurai Jack in the day's cable originals, and moreover it will also most likely still be trending when Dragon Ball Super airs in primetime. It remains to be seen if it will still affect Toonami in trending despite ending 3 hours earlier, but both last year and in 2015, the NFL Draft did indeed beat the top cable original of Toonami: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-100-saturday-cable-originals-5-2-2015.html http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-4-30-2016.html However, it should be noted that DBZ Kai DID beat the NFL Draft in 2015; it just wasn't considered a cable original so it didn't make the chart. Moreover, the earliest charting show of Toonami was at 12:30 AM both 1 and 2 years ago. By contrast, Toonami's leading cable original is at 11 PM this year (Samurai Jack), so it just might have what it takes to beat the NFL Draft. Only time, and enough eyeballs on Toonami, will tell! It should also be noted that the last 2 years NBA Playoffs were the top cable original on Saturday night, but that will certainly NOT be the case this year! Finally, Samurai Jack did kinda lackluster last night, dipping pretty majorly (0.07 18-49) from American Dad, and then Bob's Burgers recovered 0.10 18-49. Not a very encouraging result if the timeslot is to be occupied by another Toonami show when Jack ends. http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/wednesday-final-nationals-black-ish-dips-series-lows-back-back-airings-abc/ The Wednesday 10 PM rerun is now officially averaging just below a million total viewers (999K), and also under 600K in 18-49, as an estimated 591K adults were watching, and the margin of error is about 7K, so yep, that's definitively below. Hopefully it will do better next week because I would really like Action Wednesdays to be a permanent thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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