1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 In Japanese ::]:: So, yeah, this is fucking hard and I'm doing, I guess, basic Hiragana. Anywho, so I've become familiar with some characters and the sound they make (Which incidentally is how I'm learning entire words by knowing at least one or two characters and how they sound) but it turns out Hiragana has other characters that make same same sounds. ::: It seems that maybe names use different characters even though a character exists for that sound or word....I dunno I'm just beginning and it's mind blowing how difficult this is going to be. ::]:: > :D Guys two is ni One ichi Two ni Progress!
Sandstone Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 I'd love to learn Japanese someday... would be fun.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 9:51 PM, Sandstone said: I'd love to learn Japanese someday... would be fun. I'm having fun with an app called duolingo but I don't expect to get far with it.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 They sound exactly the same but look totally different.
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 I still don't really understand. Are you talking about katakana? For example, the sound A in hiragana: あ katakana: ア. Is this what you mean?
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:09 PM, bnmjy said: I still don't really understand. Are you talking about katakana? For example, the sound A in hiragana: あ katakana: ア. Is this what you mean? Yes! Fuck this app. They're teaching it to me under Hiragana.
StarPanda Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 Awesome when I learn we can both talk like weebs to weebs and be superior to them
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:13 PM, Phillies said: I just use subtitles. Me too but I was just checking it out but I'm suspicious now. I might be learning nothing -_'
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:14 PM, StarPanda said: Awesome when I learn we can both talk like weebs to weebs and be superior to them I hope we live that long.
Distortedreasoning Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 dammit pooh i need you to learn it so you can teach it to me! i plan to visit the place someday O0 :420: :beer:
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 9:49 PM, 1pooh4u said: In Japanese ::]:: So, yeah, this is fucking hard and I'm doing, I guess, basic Hiragana. Anywho, so I've become familiar with some characters and the sound they make (Which incidentally is how I'm learning entire words by knowing at least one or two characters and how they sound) but it turns out Hiragana has other characters that make same same sounds. ::: It seems that maybe names use different characters even though a character exists for that sound or word....I dunno I'm just beginning and it's mind blowing how difficult this is going to be. ::]:: > :D Just sent you some recommendations for Japanese books.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:20 PM, Distortedreasoning said: dammit pooh i need you to learn it so you can teach it to me! i plan to visit the place someday O0 :420: :beer: please don't hold your breath bnmjy[/member] do you think the app is shit or maybe trying to not be confusing? Would you mind if I picked your brain for accuracy when the time comes?
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:24 PM, PurgatoryGirl said: Just sent you some recommendations for Japanese books. Thank you! I think this app is jerking me around S:
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:14 PM, 1pooh4u said: Yes! Fuck this app. They're teaching it to me under Hiragana. Okay. And I know you're using the duolingo app, which doesn't thoroughly explain things. Katakana is used mostly for foreign words, onomatopoeia, animals, and plants. You obviously would write your name in katakana. It really helps to know the difference between hiragana and katakana. I recommend google searching a hiragana and katakana chart, just so you know which is which. A rule of thumb: hiragana is curvy while katakana is angular. I'm using the duolingo app too. I'm almost done with the entire course, not to toot my horn. I think it's a good way to learn the basics of the language. If you ever get stumped with anything, you know who to ask.
Distortedreasoning Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 i'll just find me a translator when i get over there, i plan on visiting some of their more adult recreational activities :420: :beer:
scope Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 It seems like it's pretty difficult for them too, when the shoe's on the other foot.
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:27 PM, 1pooh4u said: Thank you! I think this app is jerking me around S: I can only imagine, since apps are annoying. BTW. Don't waste your time using the book, Japanese: The Spoken Language because it sucks. It's only in Romaji which is the Romanization of Japanese. Now, the workbooks, Japanese: The Written Language are better. Technically speaking, Japanese has 5 different types of writing. Kanji which is Chinese Characters. Kanji is considered Japan's original writing system because they didn't have their own writing system. They borrowed and adapted Chinese Characters as their own. Then, they created Hiragana and Katakana. There's also Furigana, which is used to help people learn how to write the writing systems. So there is Romaji, Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana, and Furigana.
PhilosipherStoned Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 I stopped my lessons, but I was doing basic hirigana.. It helps to equate each symbol to something it looks like. ex. man with a hat, fisherman with pole etc/ memrise had a lot of good ones, and the lessons were free.
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:41 PM, PurgatoryGirl said: So there is Romaji, Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana, and Furigana. There are only four. Furigana is not a separate writing system. It is just hiragana or katakana written over kanji.
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:49 PM, bnmjy said: There are only four. Furigana is not a separate writing system. It is just hiragana or katakana written over kanji. Furigana has also been used to learn Hiragana and Katakana.
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:52 PM, PurgatoryGirl said: Furigana has also been used to learn Hiragana and Katakana. lolwut
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:31 PM, bnmjy said: Okay. And I know you're using the duolingo app, which doesn't thoroughly explain things. Katakana is used mostly for foreign words, onomatopoeia, animals, and plants. You obviously would write your name in katakana. It really helps to know the difference between hiragana and katakana. I recommend google searching a hiragana and katakana chart, just so you know which is which. A rule of thumb: hiragana is curvy while katakana is angular. I'm using the duolingo app too. I'm almost done with the entire course, not to toot my horn. I think it's a good way to learn the basics of the language. If you ever get stumped with anything, you know who to ask. Thank you! So in your opinion it's accurate? I'll stay the course if that's the case.
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:53 PM, bnmjy said: lolwut I have seen Furigana used for both in other textbooks and on worksheets for beginners as a reading aid. Also, I took Japanese YEARS before the language became "trendy" here in The U.S. for a bunch of pretentious Weeaboos to sit around and watch Anime. That's besides Japanese student teachers from Japan using me as a T.A. AND having a B.A. in Asian Studies.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:41 PM, Distortedreasoning said: i'll just find me a translator when i get over there, i plan on visiting some of their more adult recreational activities :420: :beer: lol the naughty tour coming soon! Japan 2020!
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:41 PM, scope said: It seems like it's pretty difficult for them too, when the shoe's on the other foot. I'm sure it is. I'm so lost
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:56 PM, 1pooh4u said: Thank you! So in your opinion it's accurate? I'll stay the course if that's the case. There are some grammatical errors in the higher levels. I heard that this is a common issue with newly released languages on duolingo. By the time you reach them, they'll probably be fixed. Judging from what I've seen, it is good enough for a beginner.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:41 PM, PurgatoryGirl said: I can only imagine, since apps are annoying. BTW. Don't waste your time using the book, Japanese: The Spoken Language because it sucks. It's only in Romaji which is the Romanization of Japanese. Now, the workbooks, Japanese: The Written Language are better. Technically speaking, Japanese has 5 different types of writing. Kanji which is Chinese Characters. Kanji is considered Japan's original writing system because they didn't have their own writing system. They borrowed and adapted Chinese Characters as their own. Then, they created Hiragana and Katakana. There's also Furigana, which is used to help people learn how to write the writing systems. So there is Romaji, Kanji, Hiragana, Katakana, and Furigana. Romaji uses our letters? If so, sounds useful if your goal is speaking.
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:43 PM, Philosipher_Stoned said: I stopped my lessons, but I was doing basic hirigana.. It helps to equate each symbol to something it looks like. ex. man with a hat, fisherman with pole etc/ memrise had a lot of good ones, and the lessons were free. I've been doing that! It makes it fun!
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 10:58 PM, PurgatoryGirl said: I have seen Furigana used for both in other textbooks and on worksheets for beginners. I took Japanese YEARS before the language became popular here in The U.S. and even have a B.A. in Asian Studies. Um, okay? Facts are still facts. You're the first Japanese learner I encountered who said that furigana is a writing system. What furigana could possibly be used to learn hiragana?
1pooh4u Posted June 12, 2017 Author Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:03 PM, bnmjy said: There are some grammatical errors in the higher levels. I heard that this is a common issue with newly released languages on duolingo. By the time you reach them, they'll probably be fixed. Judging from what I've seen, it is good enough for a beginner. I stopped Vietnamese for this reason. It wasn't grammatically correct though the words were correct
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:05 PM, 1pooh4u said: Romaji uses our letters? If so, sounds useful if your goal is speaking. Yes, Romaji can be useful much like Furigana. They both help you learn how to read and speak Japanese.
PurgatoryGirl Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:08 PM, bnmjy said: Um, okay? Facts are still facts. You're the first Japanese learner I encountered who said that furigana is a writing system. What furigana could possibly be used to learn hiragana? Some learn Katakana or Kanji before Hiragana and vice versa. It all depends on who is teaching it. Most teachers begin with Hiragana.
PhilosipherStoned Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 When I was studying japanese writing, speaking, culture. A lot of the people I went to for advice gave me a "drink lots and lots of beer response." >
Ginguy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 So, when I travel to stay at a hot spring near Kyoto and eat delicate morsels served by geisha what do I need to learn to not be oafish gaijin?
bnmjy Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:37 PM, Philosipher_Stoned said: こんいちわ 1pooh4yu こんばんわ It's actually こんにちは and こんばんは The は there is still pronounced as わ though.
PhilosipherStoned Posted June 12, 2017 Posted June 12, 2017 yeah the google IME I use tries to shorten stuff to kanji when I try to type hiragana so I just put it back by spelling out the syllables..
PhilosipherStoned Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 I forgot about that though I had a feeling something was wrong with it when I looked at it. I remembered having to spell it differently in my lessons, but I couldn't remember why or how. So it's the "Ha" symbol pronounced "Wa" to show it's an old style greeting or sentence fragment. noted.
Master-Debater131 Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 Just wait till you get to the fun part of trying to figure out conjugation and tense. And keigo? Lol yeaaaa.......thats nothing but fun
GunStarHero Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 I can't really say whether or not these are good learning tools, but they have been helping me teach myself. They come with audio CDs, as well, so it helps with pronunciation. Although, I do sometimes find myself hitting up some of the Japanese language YouTubers to give me a second opinion, if you will.
PhilosipherStoned Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 I think that's about where I stopped. I figured I would've lost what little knowledge I had of japanese by now anyway, but a surprising amount just came back to me from typing a few words. >_>
Naraku4656 Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 japanese is far too difficult for me to want to learn. i had issues learning spanish for god's sakes. idk what i would do with something that i couldn't even guess at what the word meant
bnmjy Posted June 13, 2017 Posted June 13, 2017 1pooh4u[/member] I just checked the hiragana sections of duolingo, and there were no katakana characters. They aren't introduced until the intro section. Just a little clarification. Also, I feel I'm being overbearing, probably because I have passion for the language. Oh well. :poop:
1pooh4u Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:37 PM, Philosipher_Stoned said: こんいちわ 1pooh4yu こんばんわ Does that say kinichiwa? First character I'm lost broken Z is "ki" Fancy "h" makes n sound Fishing hook is "I" Fancy 5 is "chi" Preggers is "wa" Second word Kin?nwa third character of second word I'm lost. I think it will have a B sound cuz of those stokes but I don't know if it's "bo" or "bu" I don't think it's "bu" cuz I think that's crazy arm flapping guy with strokes I'm such a retard
1pooh4u Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:28 PM, Ginguy said: So, when I travel to stay at a hot spring near Kyoto and eat delicate morsels served by geisha what do I need to learn to not be oafish gaijin? It couldn't hurt. If you happen across a Geisha show respect for all she had to learn to become one. They are more than a mere escort.
1pooh4u Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/13/2017 at 2:13 AM, bnmjy said: 1pooh4u[/member] I just checked the hiragana sections of duolingo, and there were no katakana characters. They aren't introduced until the intro section. Just a little clarification. Also, I feel I'm being overbearing, probably because I have passion for the language. Oh well. :poop: bnmjy[/member] yeah tats where it started. They used it to spell the US, America, Maria, etc. Please be passionate I want to learn. Maybe I can run away to Japan and teach English someday (I'm half serious)
1pooh4u Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/12/2017 at 11:26 PM, Philosipher_Stoned said: When I was studying japanese writing, speaking, culture. A lot of the people I went to for advice gave me a "drink lots and lots of beer response." > Incidentally one of the first words they teach is sake >
1pooh4u Posted June 13, 2017 Author Posted June 13, 2017 On 6/13/2017 at 12:25 AM, Master-Debater131 said: Just wait till you get to the fun part of trying to figure out conjugation and tense. And keigo? Lol yeaaaa.......thats nothing but fun They were trying to teach me,"Nice to meet you. My name is John" I kept fucking up and have since went back to hirigana I'm not sentence ready
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