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49 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

"Terrorism" generally is the use of violence to make a political statement or to coerce policy changes in some way. Assuming everything we know is true, it's hard to argue this doesn't fit that bill - even if it's a sympathetic issue. 

The state will have a more specific definition of terrorism within the penal code, so it'd be on the the prosecution to prove that it checks off all those relevant boxes.

A grand jury ain't going to convict this guy unless you populate it with CEOs

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19 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

The polling in 2024 was mostly spot on.

Please, Trump won every swing state, which came as a surprise. Plus, let's not forget that Anne Selzer poll that kept being tauting as the gold standard that showed Trump losing horribly in Iowa.

Fake news. These polls don't mean shit anymore.

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Most polls/aggregates showed a tight race that would be decided by which candidate modestly overperformed relative to their polling. That it was Trump who overperformed in the end obviously defied my expectations, but mathematically it was not unrealistic.

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So how did the polls do, overall? It is clear that Republicans outperformed their polls nearly everywhere, but in absolute terms, polls still came pretty close to predicting the final results. There was no error anywhere near the scale of 2016 or especially 2020, and unlike what we saw in those years, the polls did substantially better than any non-polling indicator did. But polling error is often correlated, and in an era of 50/50 elections, being off by just one or two points can make all the difference. That’s why our forecast said it was a tossup until the end — and ultimately, that’s why a Trump victory wasn’t a surprise.

https://split-ticket.org/2024/11/10/2024-showed-the-value-of-polling/

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Everything that needs to be said can be inferred right from this from the link you provided. 3 point average national difference. Results showing within the margins of error are not "spot on." In fact, I think it just gives room for these statisticians to say "oh, well we were close enough."

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@Raptorpat, @Insipid….

Can we agree that the polls in this particular situation are irrelevant?

It doesn’t matter if people in any age group think murdering the CEO is “acceptable” because two diametrically opposed truths can exist simultaneously.  It’s objectively and absolutely true that murder is unacceptable both socially and legally.  It’s also objectively and absolutely true that every single person who is called to a jury pool has a vested interest in the aftermath of the murder which is, by definition, an inherent bias toward the ramifications of said murder.  Asking whether the murder is an “acceptable “ response begs an answer that precludes viable legal off-ramps like self-defense and insanity that can be skewed by the other objective truth.

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23 hours ago, matrixman124 said:

It's been confirmed that prosecutors are having trouble getting an unbiased jury L O FUCKING L

Good

He’s got federal charges against him too. Why?  Because it’s a millionaire victim that worked for a billion dollar company?  Idr federal charges against Penny or Rittenhouse or any number of murders that happens in a city the size of NY. 

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29 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

They want to kill him because he’s got the hyper wealthy scumbags shook 

Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit.

Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. 

Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak...

But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af.

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35 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit.

Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. 

Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak...

But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af.

I hope the contrast between the treatment of Mangione and other murderers like Roof, Chauvin, Rittenhouse and Penny gets amplified making it even harder to find a non bias jury.  They had him surrounded by so many cops you’d think the dude had super powers that law enforcement had to watch out for. 
 

I also get the feeling attorneys will only be rooting out the bias in favor of Mangione but they won’t gaf about the people who want to string him up by his testicles 

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After the hearing, Acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Edward Kim, said in a statement that Mangione allegedly killed Thompson "in a grossly misguided attempt to broadcast Mangione's views across the country."

i'm here to tell you, this wasn't only his opinion. 

do i agree with murder.....not particularly, but...among controlled chaos, i mean.....

the point is. this was not misguided, this was everyday people's views.

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20 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

After the hearing, Acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Edward Kim, said in a statement that Mangione allegedly killed Thompson "in a grossly misguided attempt to broadcast Mangione's views across the country."

i'm here to tell you, this wasn't only his opinion. 

do i agree with murder.....not particularly, but...among controlled chaos, i mean.....

the point is. this was not misguided, this was everyday people's views.

This. It’s not that people are condoning murder. It’s not that we don’t know murder is wrong. What is happening is a burnt out populace won’t pretend that a nice person was murdered. The people are fed up with insurance companies. People are fed up with paying their insurance premiums to only be denied life saving treatments when they’re needed just because other drugs, or therapies weren’t tried first.  How many stories do we need to read about children being denied treatments because they are considered “experimental”. People just don’t gaf that someone involved with maintaining the status quo in our healthcare system was killed.  Everyone has a healthcare nightmare story to tell. Definitely not misguided. Just fed tf up. 

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1 hour ago, André Toulon said:

Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit.

Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. 

Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak...

But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af.

I figured that was the purpose of the terrorism charge and the Federal government getting involved.

 The only reason the death penalty is a thing is because prosecutors need leverage to get a guilty plea.  It’s always possible that waiting out the clock on a trial allows public sentiment to turn against Luigi, but that’s a huge gamble given how pervasive sympathy is for anyone who’s ever suffered at the hands of health care.  It’s more likely they’re talking death off the board when the trial happens and after the defense refuses any kind of plea bargain.  The last thing anyone wants is a martyr.

Still, it does suggest they’re scrambling.  A trial is going to be a PR disaster for the industry:  there’s no way to make it not about a grievance on his standard of care.  It’s going to open the industry up to even more resentment and, in particular, make investments more toxic than they are now.  Futile as it may be there’s going to be a concerted effort to get him to plead out and avoid a trial.

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1 hour ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA get fucked justice system: Luigi Mangione prosecutors risk 'full acquittal' after first major 'mistake': legal expert - Raw Story

Bragg is certainly more liberal leaning.  He could well be intentionally sabotaging his own case to own the Feds.  If the terrorism charge opens up a can of worms, the Feds almost certainly will be caught holding the bag when their case follows the state’s.

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After questioning why Adams, who is facing his own federal charges, was at the ceremonious perp walk, people turned their attention to questions about the NYPD’s logic behind the spectacle, and how much time, money and other resources went into orchestrating it.

 

adams is a sack of shite. lol...."i want to look him in the eye"

good job. you just made this into an instant blockbuster perp walk. 

frfr. 

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5 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

After questioning why Adams, who is facing his own federal charges, was at the ceremonious perp walk, people turned their attention to questions about the NYPD’s logic behind the spectacle, and how much time, money and other resources went into orchestrating it.

 

adams is a sack of shite. lol...."i want to look him in the eye"

good job. you just made this into an instant blockbuster perp walk. 

frfr. 

That’s been a chief complaint, the wasted resources and overkill nature of the perp walk.  
 

Adam’s is a whole other story. His right hand woman resigned and has been hit with charges. She traded favors for her son so he could get a chik fil a franchise 

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3 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

https://nypost.com/2024/12/20/us-news/insurance-industry-leaned-on-doj-to-take-luigi-mangione-case-as-deterrent-against-copycat-killers-sources/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app

Answers my question on why the feds got involved 

“to prevent copycats” yeah right I’m so sure that’s the reason 🙄🫠🙄

Wonder why they decided the group that gets the deterrent is the bilionaire class.

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21 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I'm glad you saw it because I remember you saying you wanted to do that but knew better...yeah, 15 fucking years...are you serious.

Idr saying I wanted to do that but Jfc how can they attempt to give someone so much time for no direct threat.  She shouldn’t have said “you’re next”.  this case better get tossed because even with that hopefully it’s so ambiguous that no jury will convict her. 

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26 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Idr saying I wanted to do that but Jfc how can they attempt to give someone so much time for no direct threat.  She shouldn’t have said “you’re next”.  this case better get tossed because even with that hopefully it’s so ambiguous that no jury will convict her. 

Not that in particular...it was like you said I see why people want to come after yall.....

You know what, I'll go look for it...I don't think I was high that day, but I have been wrong before

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15 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

Not that in particular...it was like you said I see why people want to come after yall.....

You know what, I'll go look for it...I don't think I was high that day, but I have been wrong before

Yeah that I probably did say. I think it was after reading that BCBS wanted to limit surgery times by not paying for anesthesia in 3 states 

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Nothing is going change because if they improve and change their ways, that means committing murder worked. Now they have to do the exact opposite of that. Which they were going to do anyway but now they have, what they believe, a justification 

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