matrixman124 Posted Wednesday at 03:45 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:45 AM 49 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: "Terrorism" generally is the use of violence to make a political statement or to coerce policy changes in some way. Assuming everything we know is true, it's hard to argue this doesn't fit that bill - even if it's a sympathetic issue. The state will have a more specific definition of terrorism within the penal code, so it'd be on the the prosecution to prove that it checks off all those relevant boxes. A grand jury ain't going to convict this guy unless you populate it with CEOs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted Wednesday at 03:50 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 03:50 AM technically yeah, but it's not as widely popular as internetizens think, at least outside the 18-29 demographic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted Wednesday at 06:43 AM Share Posted Wednesday at 06:43 AM The jury's being filled with clowns and retards ain't it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted Wednesday at 04:19 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:19 PM 12 hours ago, Raptorpat said: technically yeah, but it's not as widely popular as internetizens think, at least outside the 18-29 demographic Yeah.... so, about polls in 2024...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted Wednesday at 04:20 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:20 PM The polling in 2024 was mostly spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted Wednesday at 04:46 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:46 PM 19 minutes ago, Raptorpat said: The polling in 2024 was mostly spot on. Please, Trump won every swing state, which came as a surprise. Plus, let's not forget that Anne Selzer poll that kept being tauting as the gold standard that showed Trump losing horribly in Iowa. Fake news. These polls don't mean shit anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted Wednesday at 04:58 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 04:58 PM Most polls/aggregates showed a tight race that would be decided by which candidate modestly overperformed relative to their polling. That it was Trump who overperformed in the end obviously defied my expectations, but mathematically it was not unrealistic. Quote So how did the polls do, overall? It is clear that Republicans outperformed their polls nearly everywhere, but in absolute terms, polls still came pretty close to predicting the final results. There was no error anywhere near the scale of 2016 or especially 2020, and unlike what we saw in those years, the polls did substantially better than any non-polling indicator did. But polling error is often correlated, and in an era of 50/50 elections, being off by just one or two points can make all the difference. That’s why our forecast said it was a tossup until the end — and ultimately, that’s why a Trump victory wasn’t a surprise. https://split-ticket.org/2024/11/10/2024-showed-the-value-of-polling/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted Wednesday at 05:12 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:12 PM (edited) Everything that needs to be said can be inferred right from this from the link you provided. 3 point average national difference. Results showing within the margins of error are not "spot on." In fact, I think it just gives room for these statisticians to say "oh, well we were close enough." Edited Wednesday at 05:12 PM by Insipid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raptorpat Posted Wednesday at 05:40 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 05:40 PM Maybe I should t have said "spot on" and should have said "most accurate presidential polls of the unending Trump era" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted Wednesday at 10:20 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:20 PM I remember using such technicalities to post the hooha. Don't make me do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted Wednesday at 10:54 PM Share Posted Wednesday at 10:54 PM @Raptorpat, @Insipid…. Can we agree that the polls in this particular situation are irrelevant? It doesn’t matter if people in any age group think murdering the CEO is “acceptable” because two diametrically opposed truths can exist simultaneously. It’s objectively and absolutely true that murder is unacceptable both socially and legally. It’s also objectively and absolutely true that every single person who is called to a jury pool has a vested interest in the aftermath of the murder which is, by definition, an inherent bias toward the ramifications of said murder. Asking whether the murder is an “acceptable “ response begs an answer that precludes viable legal off-ramps like self-defense and insanity that can be skewed by the other objective truth. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matrixman124 Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM Share Posted Thursday at 03:21 PM It's been confirmed that prosecutors are having trouble getting an unbiased jury L O FUCKING L 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 18 hours ago Author Share Posted 18 hours ago 23 hours ago, matrixman124 said: It's been confirmed that prosecutors are having trouble getting an unbiased jury L O FUCKING L Good He’s got federal charges against him too. Why? Because it’s a millionaire victim that worked for a billion dollar company? Idr federal charges against Penny or Rittenhouse or any number of murders that happens in a city the size of NY. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 18 hours ago Author Share Posted 18 hours ago They want to kill him because he’s got the hyper wealthy scumbags shook 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 29 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: They want to kill him because he’s got the hyper wealthy scumbags shook Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit. Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak... But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af. 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 17 hours ago Author Share Posted 17 hours ago 35 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit. Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak... But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af. I hope the contrast between the treatment of Mangione and other murderers like Roof, Chauvin, Rittenhouse and Penny gets amplified making it even harder to find a non bias jury. They had him surrounded by so many cops you’d think the dude had super powers that law enforcement had to watch out for. I also get the feeling attorneys will only be rooting out the bias in favor of Mangione but they won’t gaf about the people who want to string him up by his testicles 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 17 hours ago Author Share Posted 17 hours ago The death penalty is reserved for the worst of the worst. Crimes that are so violent cold and calculated that the person is too dangerous even for prison. Mangione ain’t it 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago After the hearing, Acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Edward Kim, said in a statement that Mangione allegedly killed Thompson "in a grossly misguided attempt to broadcast Mangione's views across the country." i'm here to tell you, this wasn't only his opinion. do i agree with murder.....not particularly, but...among controlled chaos, i mean..... the point is. this was not misguided, this was everyday people's views. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 16 hours ago Author Share Posted 16 hours ago 20 minutes ago, discolé monade said: After the hearing, Acting U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Edward Kim, said in a statement that Mangione allegedly killed Thompson "in a grossly misguided attempt to broadcast Mangione's views across the country." i'm here to tell you, this wasn't only his opinion. do i agree with murder.....not particularly, but...among controlled chaos, i mean..... the point is. this was not misguided, this was everyday people's views. This. It’s not that people are condoning murder. It’s not that we don’t know murder is wrong. What is happening is a burnt out populace won’t pretend that a nice person was murdered. The people are fed up with insurance companies. People are fed up with paying their insurance premiums to only be denied life saving treatments when they’re needed just because other drugs, or therapies weren’t tried first. How many stories do we need to read about children being denied treatments because they are considered “experimental”. People just don’t gaf that someone involved with maintaining the status quo in our healthcare system was killed. Everyone has a healthcare nightmare story to tell. Definitely not misguided. Just fed tf up. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, André Toulon said: Yeah all I've been hearing is the death sentence....wtf for, he shot a dude, but it's worse because the dude was rich...fuck off with that shit. Y'all put Chauvin in jail, and he tortured a man to death on camera. Dylan Roof got fast food for his kill streak... But Luigi gotta die? Dumb af. I figured that was the purpose of the terrorism charge and the Federal government getting involved. The only reason the death penalty is a thing is because prosecutors need leverage to get a guilty plea. It’s always possible that waiting out the clock on a trial allows public sentiment to turn against Luigi, but that’s a huge gamble given how pervasive sympathy is for anyone who’s ever suffered at the hands of health care. It’s more likely they’re talking death off the board when the trial happens and after the defense refuses any kind of plea bargain. The last thing anyone wants is a martyr. Still, it does suggest they’re scrambling. A trial is going to be a PR disaster for the industry: there’s no way to make it not about a grievance on his standard of care. It’s going to open the industry up to even more resentment and, in particular, make investments more toxic than they are now. Futile as it may be there’s going to be a concerted effort to get him to plead out and avoid a trial. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago Hardest pictures of the decade. Album cover material. Brockhampton shit. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 2 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said: Hardest pictures of the decade. Album cover material. Brockhampton shit. add the 2nd scene, but as slo-mo, with johnny cash 'ring of fire', and you got yourself one hell of an anarchy propaganda video. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 3 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said: Hardest pictures of the decade. Album cover material. Brockhampton shit. The Joker 3 : Return to Gotham 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA get fucked justice system: Luigi Mangione prosecutors risk 'full acquittal' after first major 'mistake': legal expert - Raw Story 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 1 hour ago, MasqueradeOverture said: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA get fucked justice system: Luigi Mangione prosecutors risk 'full acquittal' after first major 'mistake': legal expert - Raw Story Bragg is certainly more liberal leaning. He could well be intentionally sabotaging his own case to own the Feds. If the terrorism charge opens up a can of worms, the Feds almost certainly will be caught holding the bag when their case follows the state’s. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago After questioning why Adams, who is facing his own federal charges, was at the ceremonious perp walk, people turned their attention to questions about the NYPD’s logic behind the spectacle, and how much time, money and other resources went into orchestrating it. adams is a sack of shite. lol...."i want to look him in the eye" good job. you just made this into an instant blockbuster perp walk. frfr. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago 5 minutes ago, discolé monade said: After questioning why Adams, who is facing his own federal charges, was at the ceremonious perp walk, people turned their attention to questions about the NYPD’s logic behind the spectacle, and how much time, money and other resources went into orchestrating it. adams is a sack of shite. lol...."i want to look him in the eye" good job. you just made this into an instant blockbuster perp walk. frfr. That’s been a chief complaint, the wasted resources and overkill nature of the perp walk. Adam’s is a whole other story. His right hand woman resigned and has been hit with charges. She traded favors for her son so he could get a chik fil a franchise 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 7 hours ago Author Share Posted 7 hours ago https://nypost.com/2024/12/20/us-news/insurance-industry-leaned-on-doj-to-take-luigi-mangione-case-as-deterrent-against-copycat-killers-sources/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app Answers my question on why the feds got involved “to prevent copycats” yeah right I’m so sure that’s the reason 🙄🫠🙄 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 3 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said: https://nypost.com/2024/12/20/us-news/insurance-industry-leaned-on-doj-to-take-luigi-mangione-case-as-deterrent-against-copycat-killers-sources/?utm_campaign=iphone_nyp&utm_source=pasteboard_app Answers my question on why the feds got involved “to prevent copycats” yeah right I’m so sure that’s the reason 🙄🫠🙄 Wonder why they decided the group that gets the deterrent is the bilionaire class. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted 6 hours ago Author Share Posted 6 hours ago 4 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Wonder why they decided the group that gets the deterrent is the bilionaire class. Cuz us poors aren’t allowed to have nice things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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