ITN: Israel

[Master-Debater131]

 

 

This absolutely was inevitable. School officials let these rabidly antisemitic camps grow and go unchallenged, and that only created an environment where eventually people would push back. Letting mobs chase Jewish students, straight up block their access to campus and school facilities, and create "no go zones" absolutely was going to result in violence. School officials let people cosplay Hamas, and that only encouraged people to take things into their own hands.

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[Master-Debater131]

Vast majority of Americans back Israel over Hamas: Poll

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4629597-americans-israel-hamas-gaza-student-protests-poll/

An overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group running the Gaza Strip, according to a new poll. 

The Harvard CAPS-Harris survey shared with The Hill showed 80 percent of registered voters said they support Israel more in the war, while 20 percent said they support Hamas more. That is about in line with the poll’s findings from last month, when 79 percent indicated they support Israel more. "

 

This is a big point to keep in mind while these children cosplay Hamas. The vast majority of Americans still understand right from wrong and support Israel. So even though the loudest children are getting all the attention, the vast majority of Americans are standing on the right side of history.

[1pooh4u]

Asking if you support Israel or Hamas is such a dumb fuck loaded question.  No one blames Israel for going after Hamas, but that 6 yo Hind, and her family that was gunned down by IDF, as the IDF shot up the family vehicle from the safety of inside their big fuckin tanks, wasn’t fuckin Hamas.  +30k dead how many are Hamas?  1, 2, 5? 10? How many? A lot less that the death toll. That’s fact. 

[Master-Debater131]

And none of that would have happened if it wasnt for Hamas deciding to attack Israel on October 7th.

Hamas started a war, bad shit happens in war.

None of this, absolutely none of it, wouldnt have happened if it were not for Hamas.

[discolé monade]

no. not at all. 

none of this would have happened to be our concern, if we had NOT been up israel's arse for the better part of 5 decades, while simoutaneously funding and arming to the tune of 300B. 

 hamas started a war, but IDF started a holocaust. 

 

[1pooh4u]

21 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

And none of that would have happened if it wasnt for Hamas deciding to attack Israel on October 7th.

Hamas started a war, bad shit happens in war.

None of this, absolutely none of it, wouldnt have happened if it were not for Hamas.

That very well may be, but Palestinians have been suffering at the hands of Israel’s military and government for the last 15-20 years. (I’m not going back to the Naqba).  Even during times of cease fire, being a Palestinian in the WB or Gaza isn’t a walk in the park.  Israel doesn’t have the right to strip civilians of their homes, education, work and the dignity all humans are born with and possess. 
 

 

[Master-Debater131]

Correct. For the last 15-20 years Gaza hasnt exactly been a great place to be.

Its likely not a coincidence that Hamas happened to take over at the same time. Its almost like after Israel unilaterally withdrew from Gaza in 2005 Gaza has become a threat to Israel itself and has had to be treated as a hostile neighbor simply for national security reasons.

Its almost like these sequences of events over the past 15-20 years have led directly to where we are today with Israel finally decided they cant live next to a neighbor whos sworn existence includes eliminating Israel.

[1pooh4u]

MD you sound like my Dad. He’s almost 80 and was born during the most dangerous times at the end of WWII. He lived in a displacement camp for the first 3 years of his life. I can understand him not wanting to see or say anything against Israel, but what’s your reasoning?  What’s happening is way beyond “bad things happen during war”. 
 

Not long ago in the West Bank an Israeli settler sheep herder went to feed their sheep and disappeared.  The Israeli Settlers decided to go into the West Bank and grab any Arab that they saw. They beat them killed them burned down their homes. The IDF did nothing to stop them 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/17/west-bank-israel-responsible-rising-settler-violence
 

In 2005 when Israel withdrew they did it leaving everything fucked up. Ofc it left a vacuum for a group like Hamas to take over

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, discolé monade said:

there were already a couple stories about outside agitators

and then this warning

And now the NYPD are going on a tirade against bike locks which were used to barricade the doors

[matrixman124]

People are literally afraid to speak out against Israel because they don't want to be labeled as anti-semites.

Whereas those who speak out against Palestinians get a high five from US policymakers

[Master-Debater131]

46 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

MD you sound like my Dad. He’s almost 80 and was born during the most dangerous times at the end of WWII. He lived in a displacement camp for the first 3 years of his life. I can understand him not wanting to see or say anything against Israel, but what’s your reasoning?  What’s happening is way beyond “bad things happen during war”. 
 

Not long ago in the West Bank an Israeli settler sheep herder went to feed their sheep and disappeared.  The Israeli Settlers decided to go into the West Bank and grab any Arab that they saw. They beat them killed them burned down their homes. The IDF did nothing to stop them 

https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/04/17/west-bank-israel-responsible-rising-settler-violence
 

In 2005 when Israel withdrew they did it leaving everything fucked up. Ofc it left a vacuum for a group like Hamas to take over

I guess I take "never again" fairly seriously and recognize what is happening right now in context with the bigger picture and countless historic examples.

October 7th radically changed the calculus in the region. Before that it was well known that Hamas would lob some rockets into Israel, the Iron Dome would swat them down, and no one would be hurt as everyone continued their day. Living with the fear of a rocket attack, but knowledge that the Iron Dome and robust bomb shelter infrastructure kept people safe was an acceptable balance.

When Hamas decided that they were going to para glide into a music festival, breach the fences, rape, murder, kidnap, and torture innocent civilians everything changed. Hamas radically altered the status-quo and Israel was forced to respond.

Now instead of knowing the status-quo and being able to live with it Israel is faced with an enemy that they cannot accept being on their border. Any nation in the world would respond in the exact same was as Israel if they were attacked like this. They would respond and defeat the enemy, and people would loudly cheer for it. Hell, we have an exact example of that going on not that far from Israel.

Israel responding to the attack by Hamas is the same as Ukraine responding to the attack by Russia. The only difference is that Israel has overwhelming military superiority that they are putting to full use. Fundamentally they are the exact same things. A nation defending themselves against a hostile enemy who wants to wipe them out.

The only reason that Israel gets as much hate as it does is because its a Jewish nation and antisemitism runs extremely deeply in very large swaths of this, and other, countries. The people who support Ukraine but not Israel are at best hypocrites, and at worst antisemitic. People are choosing to ignore some of the pretty terrible stuff that Ukrainian troops have done while focusing on only that with Israel. Neither army or country are exactly clean, but both are perfectly just in fighting their wars.

 

Edit: And just to be clear, I am not calling you antisemitic. There is absolutely a massive undercurrent of antisemitism in the anti-Israel crowd, but I dont think you are part of that undercurrent.

Edited May 1 by Master-Debater131

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, matrixman124 said:

So far the only evidence is "their tactics escalated"

Their tactics were occupying an admin building and setting up barricades AKA knocking stuff over to block hallways 

Truly only something taught by a master outside agitator

Have you read the rest of the conversation? We just got done agreeing with you.

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, 1pooh4u said:

Asking if you support Israel or Hamas is such a dumb fuck loaded question.

It's like getting kicked in the brain every time she posts.

[1pooh4u]

9 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

I guess I take "never again" fairly seriously and recognize what is happening right now in context with the bigger picture and countless historic examples.

October 7th radically changed the calculus in the region. Before that it was well known that Hamas would lob some rockets into Israel, the Iron Dome would swat them down, and no one would be hurt as everyone continued their day. Living with the fear of a rocket attack, but knowledge that the Iron Dome and robust bomb shelter infrastructure kept people safe was an acceptable balance.

When Hamas decided that they were going to para glide into a music festival, breach the fences, rape, murder, kidnap, and torture innocent civilians everything changed. Hamas radically altered the status-quo and Israel was forced to respond.

Now instead of knowing the status-quo and being able to live with it Israel is faced with an enemy that they cannot accept being on their border. Any nation in the world would respond in the exact same was as Israel if they were attacked like this. They would respond and defeat the enemy, and people would loudly cheer for it. Hell, we have an exact example of that going on not that far from Israel.

Israel responding to the attack by Hamas is the same as Ukraine responding to the attack by Russia. The only difference is that Israel has overwhelming military superiority that they are putting to full use. Fundamentally they are the exact same things. A nation defending themselves against a hostile enemy who wants to wipe them out.

The only reason that Israel gets as much hate as it does is because its a Jewish nation and antisemitism runs extremely deeply in very large swaths of this, and other, countries. The people who support Ukraine but not Israel are at best hypocrites, and at worst antisemitic. People are choosing to ignore some of the pretty terrible stuff that Ukrainian troops have done while focusing on only that with Israel. Neither army or country are exactly clean, but both are perfectly just in fighting their wars.

MD, Israel is doing the “never again”. They are dropping bombs and telling civilians “go south” and then they attack the south. This is beyond self defense at this point 

[naraku360]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

And none of that would have happened if it wasnt for Hamas deciding to attack Israel on October 7th.

Hamas started a war, bad shit happens in war.

None of this, absolutely none of it, wouldnt have happened if it were not for Hamas.

No, none of Israel's war crimes would have happened if Israel hadn't committed them.

[Master-Debater131]

Just now, 1pooh4u said:

MD, Israel is doing the “never again”. They are dropping bombs and telling civilians “go south” and then they attack the south. This is beyond self defense at this point 

Your right on one thing, it is beyond defense. They transitioned to offense to finally eliminate Hamas.

Your dead wrong on Israel being the one doing the never again though. This is a war, bad shit happens in war. Its sad there is collateral damage, but that is entirely at the feet of Hamas.

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

It's like getting kicked in the brain every time she posts.

It’s not that bad yet, but she sounds like so many people I talk to that seem to think Israel is justified in everything they do. 

[1pooh4u]

2 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Your right on one thing, it is beyond defense. They transitioned to offense to finally eliminate Hamas.

Your dead wrong on Israel being the one doing the never again though. This is a war, bad shit happens in war. Its sad there is collateral damage, but that is entirely at the feet of Hamas.

But Israel pulls the trigger. Does Hamas use human shields?  Does Hamas hide weapons in hospitals and schools?  Yes but the answer is to find another way. The answer isn’t to level Gaza to the ground and destroy necessary infrastructure. When the governments act as careless as terrorists we all lose 

[Master-Debater131]

5 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

But Israel pulls the trigger. Does Hamas use human shields?  Does Hamas hide weapons in hospitals and schools?  Yes but the answer is to find another way. The answer isn’t to level Gaza to the ground and destroy necessary infrastructure. When the governments act as careless as terrorists we all lose 

So then what would you suggest Israel do to defeat Hamas?  You've already established that they use human shields, so how do you defeat them knowing that fact?

[1pooh4u]

59 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

So then what would you suggest Israel do to defeat Hamas?  You've already established that they use human shields, so how do you defeat them knowing that fact?

Idk use ground troops and intelligence?  The IDF killed hostages because of their policy of shoot first ask questions later.  They aren’t being careful at all.  
 

There will never be peace because both sides hate each other.   Netanyahu will be the end of Israel and he doesn’t gaf. He funded Hamas. He ignored warnings. He wanted this. Now the US will be dragged into another endless war  and we’re on the side of people saying stuff like “let them be pushed into the Sinai” and “we’re going for destruction not accuracy” and “there are no innocent Palestinians. They never stood up against Hamas” these are the things Israeli officials say. 
 

 

Edited May 1 by 1pooh4u
English be complicated

[discolé monade]

i'm quite curious, again, about what you know about war? or military conflict? i mean...did you serve?

i think i asked this before, but you ignored me then. 

are you from israel? or your family? i'm just wondering why you have such hatred for the palestines. 

and don't come at me with 'hamas = palestine' bullshit.  if that were the case there md, you would be lumped in with the rest of the maga racist bigots. j/s

[Master-Debater131]

49 minutes ago, 1pooh4u said:

Idk use ground troops and intelligence?  The IDF killed hostages because of their policy of shoot first ask questions later.  They aren’t being careful at all.  
 

There will never be peace because both sides hate each other.   Netanyahu will be the end of Israel and he doesn’t gaf. He funded Hamas. He ignored warnings. He wanted this. Now the US will be dragged into another endless war  and we’re on the side of people saying stuff like “let them be pushed into the Sinai” and “we’re going for destruction not accuracy” and “there are no innocent Palestinians. They never stood up against Hamas” this is the things Israeli officials say. 
 

 

They are using ground troops and intelligence though. When ground troops stormed the hospital that Hamas was using as an HQ people screamed bloody murder. Theres only so much they can do, and they cant go into the tunnels. The US learned that lesson in Vietnam, you dont chase the enemy into a tunnel that they have fortified.

As far as Netanyahu goes, not disagreeing at all. He is likely going to end up in jail at some point. But replacing him isnt going to really change things. Poling shows that the clear majority of Israelis want the IDF to pursue this war to its end and eliminate Hamas.

[Master-Debater131]

12 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

and don't come at me with 'hamas = palestine' bullshit.  if that were the case there md, you would be lumped in with the rest of the maga racist bigots. j/s

 

Not everyone in Gaza is a Hamas agent. However, Hamas is supported by a large chunk of the population. What is nice though is we are seeing videos of people in the areas where Hamas has been eradicated cheering and saying that Hamas is the reason for all of their problems. So very clearly there are people that know that Hamas are the problem. They just cannot openly speak when Hamas is in control because they will be executed by Hamas.

Thats the thing people seem to really be forgetting, or ignoring. Hamas isnt just a thread to Israel, its a threat to the people of Gaza. The best way for Gaza to have peace and prosperity would be for Hamas to be eliminated.

[discolé monade]

along with the 200 bodies of the innocent that the IDF murdered.

i'm pretty sure the 'cheering' you watched, was the release of prisoners,

 

and here you are avoiding the question i actually asked you. 

you're an instigator. a shit stirrer. i'll tell you what though. i think i'll avoid this thread. 

because you're one of those "people" that just craves this attention. 

 

[1pooh4u]

25 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

They are using ground troops and intelligence though. When ground troops stormed the hospital that Hamas was using as an HQ people screamed bloody murder. Theres only so much they can do, and they cant go into the tunnels. The US learned that lesson in Vietnam, you dont chase the enemy into a tunnel that they have fortified.

As far as Netanyahu goes, not disagreeing at all. He is likely going to end up in jail at some point. But replacing him isnt going to really change things. Poling shows that the clear majority of Israelis want the IDF to pursue this war to its end and eliminate Hamas.

The ground troops they used after they bombed the shit out of everything?  Israel has access to some of the best war tech in the world I don’t buy the bullshit that they can’t safely enter Hamas tunnels.  What about robots or drones?  Maybe just maybe countries shouldn’t engage in war if they don’t want to go into dangerous situations. Ofc all this shit is easy to say from the safety of the US. 

[matrixman124]

2 hours ago, naraku360 said:

Have you read the rest of the conversation? We just got done agreeing with you.

Yeahhhhh shit is bleak

[naraku360]

2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

So then what would you suggest Israel do to defeat Hamas?  You've already established that they use human shields, so how do you defeat them knowing that fact?

How does killing the human shield help the human shield?

[1pooh4u]

15 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

How does killing the human shield help the human shield?

Duh, they can’t be used as human shields once they’re full of holes!  C’mon try to keep up! 
🫠

[rpgamer]

2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Not everyone in Gaza is a Hamas agent. However, Hamas is supported by a large chunk of the population.

This is like supporting the eradication of all Germans because Nazis.

Seriously questioning if you're just missing chunks of grey matter at this point.

[Winter_Rain]

On 4/29/2024 at 6:10 PM, scoobdog said:

What hasn't gotten enough attention is how much of a despot Netanyahu is.  He's like a one of the kings in the Torah - which is to say he's more or less acting like a Bronze Age warlord hiding behind religion to get what he wants, and what he wants more than anything now is to paint those speaking out against his ruthless behavior as antisemites because that's the easiest way for him to deflect blame.

This is just a very typical narcissist asshole tactic in general.  

Perpetual victim complex where if you disagree with them or call them out for their behavior they look for any way possible to make you into the bad guy who's picking on them when it's them who's the bully.  They never ever accept blame or responsibility, because that requires self reflection and humility.  

Unfortunately they exist in every group, and once you know their tactics and characteristics you can see through them right away.  

[Winter_Rain]

On 4/30/2024 at 11:55 AM, 1pooh4u said:

most of the students are definitely protesting in good faith.  Israel is engaging in ethnic cleansing ofc people will and should protest. Unfortunately the actual antisemites are getting most of the attention and the “but it’s an insignificant number of people” argument is something I’m beginning to have a problem with.  

Yeah...

Tolerance of bad faith actors can quickly derail otherwise well-intentioned movements and cause them to go in a negative direction (we just saw this a few years ago with BLM).  

Actual anti-semites are taking advantage of the situation and if the protestors genuinely care about Palestine and genuinely care about long-term change they should definitely not ignore or downplay that.  

[Winter_Rain]

On 4/30/2024 at 2:56 PM, scoobdog said:

I was able to find this:  https://ugc.production.linktr.ee/63344e8e-21c4-427a-9ae2-7fc3c8c34fcb_DivestFromDeath.NewsRelease.pdf

The demands are fairly similar.  Items 2, 4 and 5 are highly problematic and likely unachievable:

For reference the DPS is a basically an armed security service on the campus.  They don't actually have police powers, hence the ultimate response by LAPD.  UCLA, by comparison, has its own police department.  It would be unreasonable to remove all policing from the USC campus.

Cutting off study abroad programs actually runs counter to the university's mission.  It's not only unreasonable, it doesn't really do anything about the Israeli government.

Item four is actually an interesting point that deserves attention.  USC has been buying up land around the main campus for years and its activities have directly led to displacement of residents in the area.  While getting community approval for such land grabs is impossible and the idea of reparations is laughable, it is still something the university needs to address and plan for the community should be shared along with a serious expansion of affordable housing.  It doesn't belong in a protest for Palestine, though.

Oof, yeah, that demand list is...something.  Yikes.  

[scoobdog]

18 minutes ago, Winter_Rain said:

This is just a very typical narcissist asshole tactic in general.  

Perpetual victim complex where if you disagree with them or call them out for their behavior they look for any way possible to make you into the bad guy who's picking on them when it's them who's the bully.  They never ever accept blame or responsibility, because that requires self reflection and humility.  

Unfortunately they exist in every group, and once you know their tactics and characteristics you can see through them right away.  

I don't want to get to personal with it.  He's playing by a well established political playbook and, were it not for the fact that the IDF has proven to be wholly incompetent, his political instincts would be more of an academic point than anything. 

[scoobdog]

10 minutes ago, Winter_Rain said:

Oof, yeah, that demand list is...something.  Yikes.  

It is.  Unsurprisingly, President Folt isn't really playing with any of this because it's a bit much.  That being said, USC also hasn't been transparent with the protestors about where their funds are invested and being forthcoming about that is really important even if it's not something that can be changed.

[Winter_Rain]

8 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Vast majority of Americans back Israel over Hamas: Poll

https://thehill.com/policy/international/4629597-americans-israel-hamas-gaza-student-protests-poll/

An overwhelming majority of Americans support Israel in its war against Hamas over the militant group running the Gaza Strip, according to a new poll. 

The Harvard CAPS-Harris survey shared with The Hill showed 80 percent of registered voters said they support Israel more in the war, while 20 percent said they support Hamas more. That is about in line with the poll’s findings from last month, when 79 percent indicated they support Israel more. "

 

This is a big point to keep in mind while these children cosplay Hamas. The vast majority of Americans still understand right from wrong and support Israel. So even though the loudest children are getting all the attention, the vast majority of Americans are standing on the right side of history.

This is a poorly done survey (intentionally, I suspect) because Hamas and Israel are not directly comparable entities.  

[Winter_Rain]

8 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

And none of that would have happened if it wasnt for Hamas deciding to attack Israel on October 7th.

Hamas started a war, bad shit happens in war.

None of this, absolutely none of it, wouldnt have happened if it were not for Hamas.

"Bad shit happens in war".  Wow.  That sounds sociopathic.  

I hope you understand that this is exactly how Islamists think about us?  (Westerners).  They view acts like 9/11 as justified and civilians as acceptable collateral damage for their greater goals.   

Lacking empathy for regular people caught up in conflict, who were just born unlucky, is not a good look.  

[matrixman124]

15 minutes ago, Winter_Rain said:

"Bad shit happens in war".  Wow.  That sounds sociopathic.  

I hope you understand that this is exactly how Islamists think about us?  (Westerners).  They view acts like 9/11 as justified and civilians as acceptable collateral damage for their greater goals.   

Lacking empathy for regular people caught up in conflict, who were just born unlucky, is not a good look.  

Why have empathy when you can be Right

[Winter_Rain]

7 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

I guess I take "never again" fairly seriously and recognize what is happening right now in context with the bigger picture and countless historic examples.

October 7th radically changed the calculus in the region. Before that it was well known that Hamas would lob some rockets into Israel, the Iron Dome would swat them down, and no one would be hurt as everyone continued their day. Living with the fear of a rocket attack, but knowledge that the Iron Dome and robust bomb shelter infrastructure kept people safe was an acceptable balance.

When Hamas decided that they were going to para glide into a music festival, breach the fences, rape, murder, kidnap, and torture innocent civilians everything changed. Hamas radically altered the status-quo and Israel was forced to respond.

Now instead of knowing the status-quo and being able to live with it Israel is faced with an enemy that they cannot accept being on their border. Any nation in the world would respond in the exact same was as Israel if they were attacked like this. They would respond and defeat the enemy, and people would loudly cheer for it. Hell, we have an exact example of that going on not that far from Israel.

Israel responding to the attack by Hamas is the same as Ukraine responding to the attack by Russia. The only difference is that Israel has overwhelming military superiority that they are putting to full use. Fundamentally they are the exact same things. A nation defending themselves against a hostile enemy who wants to wipe them out.

The only reason that Israel gets as much hate as it does is because its a Jewish nation and antisemitism runs extremely deeply in very large swaths of this, and other, countries. The people who support Ukraine but not Israel are at best hypocrites, and at worst antisemitic. People are choosing to ignore some of the pretty terrible stuff that Ukrainian troops have done while focusing on only that with Israel. Neither army or country are exactly clean, but both are perfectly just in fighting their wars.

 

Edit: And just to be clear, I am not calling you antisemitic. There is absolutely a massive undercurrent of antisemitism in the anti-Israel crowd, but I dont think you are part of that undercurrent.

Yeahhhhh, see, that "overwhelming military superiority" bit is actually pretty important in terms of how people view conflicts.  

It's David vs. Goliath.  

There's a reason nations pretty much always try to paint themselves as underdogs, righteous victims, etc. in their war propaganda.

You can see this dynamic with Russia and Ukraine.  Places that view that was as a 1 vs. 1 (such as the West) tend to be pro-Ukraine.  But parts of the world that view it as a Western tag team vs. Russia (like a lot of Africa, for instance) tend to be pro-Russia.  But both stances have the same explanation --- it's the perception of who is the underdog and who holds the power of annihilation.  

At the beginning of its existence, fresh off the Holocaust and when Israel was getting tag teamed by multiple Arab countries it made sense that it was easy to sympathize with them.  But the balance of power in the region has decisively changed in the last few decades.  Israel is not the underdog anymore.  

[Winter_Rain]

6 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Not everyone in Gaza is a Hamas agent. However, Hamas is supported by a large chunk of the population. What is nice though is we are seeing videos of people in the areas where Hamas has been eradicated cheering and saying that Hamas is the reason for all of their problems. So very clearly there are people that know that Hamas are the problem. They just cannot openly speak when Hamas is in control because they will be executed by Hamas.

Thats the thing people seem to really be forgetting, or ignoring. Hamas isnt just a thread to Israel, its a threat to the people of Gaza. The best way for Gaza to have peace and prosperity would be for Hamas to be eliminated.

I don't get how you can acknowledge that not all Palestinians support Hamas, that they are being harmed by Hamas's existence, but consistently display so little empathy towards them.  

[katt_goddess]

Here's today's reminder that OSINTdefender power-googles current events and then reposts them with their own personal slant to seem like they are on top of all the things when in fact they are the equivalent of the Onion sans the whimsey or even respectability. They vet nothing before posting it all as fact. Feel free to note the rented Blue Anus on their name. 

Further, Israel isn't bombing 'Hamas'. They are bombing Palestinians. They are herding people into 'safe zones', bombing everything flat behind them so they have no where to go back to, and then bombing the safe zones. They shoot children and they shoot actual fleeing hostages. The answer to both is 'Our bad' whispered quietly as they sight on another small shadow. 

Once again, what happened on Oct 7 could only have happened due to one of two things. Either the highly vaulted Israeli intelligence is actually a complete failure for not even catching so much as a hint of something that size being worked out. Or the Israeli government, especially Netanyahu, deliberately allowed it to happen as an excuse to raze Palestine to the ground.  

[PenguinBoss]

"Bad shit happens in war" is such a cop out.

IDF is supposed to be the good guy, and it shouldn't be just marginally.

[MasqueradeOverture]

[stilgar]

19 hours ago, Winter_Rain said:

I don't get how you can acknowledge that not all Palestinians support Hamas, that they are being harmed by Hamas's existence, but consistently display so little empathy towards them.  

Oh, I can get why md feels that way about Palestinians.

[matrixman124]

Adams is saying there were two outside agitators now. And only one of them was even on the Columbia campus. What a shit show.

[1pooh4u]

1 hour ago, matrixman124 said:

Adams is saying there were two outside agitators now. And only one of them was even on the Columbia campus. What a shit show.

Seriously?  I had a feeling he was full of shit cuz he was being so dodgy on NY1. He claimed almost half the people arrested had no affiliation with either Columbia or City College but the papers only identified 2 people. 

[Master-Debater131]

US says Hamas briefly seized 1st aid shipment that entered Gaza via reopened crossing

https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-says-hamas-seized-first-aid-shipment-that-entered-gaza-via-reopened-erez-crossing/

"Hamas managed to seize a major shipment of humanitarian aid that was delivered to Gaza from Jordan earlier this week, US State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller said Thursday, after the supplies were the first to be shipped to the enclave through a newly reopened Israeli border crossing.

Secretary of State Antony Blinken viewed the aid on Tuesday just before it departed from the headquarters of the Jordan Hashemite Charity Organization in Amman bound for the renovated crossing into the Gaza Strip at Erez, which was largely destroyed by Hamas during its October 7 terror onslaught that sparked the ongoing war."

 

Its strange how this just keeps happening. Its almost like Hamas is the single biggest impediment for the people in Gaza. This follows the many other instances where Hamas has taken the aid first, sometimes by shooting civilians who are trying to get that aid. Thankfully, this aid has been recovered and can get to civilians.

[Master-Debater131]

On 4/24/2024 at 10:03 AM, Master-Debater131 said:

 

This really might be the only way out of this at this point. Show all these privileged kids exactly what they are supporting. Smack them in the face with it.

Found a better video of the incident.

 

Im willing to admit that when I am wrong I am wrong. And apparently, I was wrong. Showing them the videos doesnt pierce their bubble. They are so far gone and so beyond antisemitic that even being faced with the videos of the atrocities on October 7th isnt enough to get them to even slightly moderate their position.

Theres probably no better than a 50/50 chance that these antisemitic morons even believe the Holocaust happened at this point.

Edited May 3 by Master-Debater131

[1pooh4u]

7 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Found a better video of the incident.

 

Im willing to admit that when I am wrong I am wrong. And apparently, I was wrong. Showing them the videos doesnt pierce their bubble. They are so far gone and so beyond antisemitic that even being faced with the videos of the atrocities on October 7th isnt enough to get them to even slightly moderate their position.

Theres probably no better than a 50/50 chance that these antisemitic morons even believe the Holocaust happened at this point.

Yeah I didn’t think showing them what Hamas did on 10/7 was going to help. Those people screaming denials of the incident, that’s antisemitism.   Not the protesting but shit like that. Those idiots should be identified and globally embarrassed. Unfortunately there would be more people defending the deniers than those who would say what happened was horrific. 

[1pooh4u]

Especially on the internet where suddenly everyone is an expert in ME affairs 

[Master-Debater131]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

Yeah I didn’t think showing them what Hamas did on 10/7 was going to help. Those people screaming denials of the incident, that’s antisemitism.   Not the protesting but shit like that. Those idiots should be identified and globally embarrassed. Unfortunately there would be more people defending the deniers than those who would say what happened was horrific. 

How do you even combat that? They are shown the actual videos taken by Hamas themselves, and they are saying they are fakes. If you saw any of the leaked videos, or what got posted on telegram, there's no way you can view them and think that they are fakes.

Israel almost has to release everything they have at this point. Put the entire unedited, and unblurred, video out there and let these people try and deny it.