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I've said in the past,

Venus would be a more viable option than Mars for colonizing. It's closer to us in orbiting distance, the energy required to reach it would be significantly less than to Mars. Mars has too many problems. The northern half has an incredibly weak atmosphere that's incapable of retaining any CO2 or oxygen we'd try to add to it. The planet has no magnetosphere so one good flare from the sun would fuck everything up. The gravity and surface pressure is significantly less than on Earth which will present a ton of medical conditions, something scientists currently living in space have to worry about.

When it comes to Venus we'd likely never be able to settle on the surface, in the atmosphere above Venus the temperatures are so much lower even just a couple miles above the surface, the atmosphere of Venus being the closest to being on Earth that you'll find in the solar system. The temperature being safe, and the gravity and pressure on Venus is very similar to Earth's. We'd basically have to live in cloud cities like in star wars.

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5 minutes ago, Mortir said:

Uhhh.... Venus is like 500 degrees permanently the Soviets sent a couple probes there that melted within minutes. And you think that is more viable than Mars? Can I have some of the drugs you are taking plz.

A slight error on my part, it isn't a couple of miles above the surface, it actually being the area between 31 and 38 miles above the surface. But that area of the atmosphere many consider to be a viable spot, the weather ranging from 65c to -20 c.

Building a floating city on Venus or terraforming Mars are two things that are likely a couple life times away, but I see the Venus one being more obtainable. Not saying there won't be people living on Mars inside of domes or something, but just saying Venus is just as viable with the right technology. Also with venus, again you won't have to worry about the difference in gravity and pressure that will be the biggest hurdle with living on Mars

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we've largely ignored venus as a POI because the soviet vanera missions didn't end in failure...the probes were actually interrupted. vanera 13 transmitted surface data back to the soviets for 2 hours before failing, and the only images they released were of the rocky hillside surrounding the landing site. but the last image captured beings, two of which appeared to be armed with some form of gun or blaster.

the following three months saw some of the most intense communication attempts with the beings from the yellow planet. in early june 1982, a communications breakthrough resulted in the ability of our scientists to decipher their message, which made their intentions clear: "we do not accept peace with your people. we do not accept trade with your people. if you attempt further invasions, we will bathe your planet in radiation and end your tenure as the dominant earth species."

two days later, what scientists described as a "massive solar flare" split the earth's magnetosphere and caused widespread communications interruptions. while science described the source as our sun, the actual source was from the surface of the planet venus. it had directed an unprecedented photon assault at our planet. the message was received, and all further attempts to study venus were restricted to far-remote observation. communications have continued with the venusians, however they are mainly restricted to object tracking and occasional (always failed) attempts at diplomacy.

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52 minutes ago, Distinct Lunatic said:

A slight error on my part, it isn't a couple of miles above the surface, it actually being the area between 31 and 38 miles above the surface. But that area of the atmosphere many consider to be a viable spot, the weather ranging from 65c to -20 c.

Building a floating city on Venus or terraforming Mars are two things that are likely a couple life times away, but I see the Venus one being more obtainable. Not saying there won't be people living on Mars inside of domes or something, but just saying Venus is just as viable with the right technology. Also with venus, again you won't have to worry about the difference in gravity and pressure that will be the biggest hurdle with living on Mars

Okay Lando. 

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44 minutes ago, wacky1980 said:

we've largely ignored venus as a POI because the soviet vanera missions didn't end in failure...the probes were actually interrupted. vanera 13 transmitted surface data back to the soviets for 2 hours before failing, and the only images they released were of the rocky hillside surrounding the landing site. but the last image captured beings, two of which appeared to be armed with some form of gun or blaster.

the following three months saw some of the most intense communication attempts with the beings from the yellow planet. in early june 1982, a communications breakthrough resulted in the ability of our scientists to decipher their message, which made their intentions clear: "we do not accept peace with your people. we do not accept trade with your people. if you attempt further invasions, we will bathe your planet in radiation and end your tenure as the dominant earth species."

two days later, what scientists described as a "massive solar flare" split the earth's magnetosphere and caused widespread communications interruptions. while science described the source as our sun, the actual source was from the surface of the planet venus. it had directed an unprecedented photon assault at our planet. the message was received, and all further attempts to study venus were restricted to far-remote observation. communications have continued with the venusians, however they are mainly restricted to object tracking and occasional (always failed) attempts at diplomacy.

 

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1 hour ago, Mortir said:

Okay Lando. 

Just saying that it will be possible and viable. Probably won't happen this century, but neither would terraforming Mars. And again, unless there's some way they can increase the gravity and surface pressure on Mars, we'll never be able to live on the surface for long periods of time without suffering major health issues. Our bones weakening being the tip of the iceberg.

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1 minute ago, Distinct Lunatic said:

Just saying that it will be possible and viable. Probably won't happen this century, but neither would terraforming Mars. And again, unless there's some way they can increase the gravity and surface pressure on Mars, we'll never be able to live on the surface for long periods of time without suffering major health issues. Our bones weakening being the tip of the iceberg.

Whatever you say, George Jetson.

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Meh. I'm the guy who doesn't really give two shits about space. 

If we've fucked up our planet enough that we need to explore other options, I hope the aliens kill us before they let that happen.

Aliens have alraedy been here from the other dimensions. 

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1 minute ago, resurrected said:

What I'm saying is, we need to keep our asses here and stop worrying about colonizing another planet. 

I would not mind living on a asteroid. But I guess party pooper will come in and say blah blah blah you need gravity or something. 

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1 hour ago, Mortir said:

I do not think spinning causes gravity.... 

Spinning does simulate gravity. Gravity is caused by mass, but spinning an object can simulate it. Best example being spinning something around in a bucket, the earth's gravitational pull is obviously stronger but the spinning effect is still enough to hold the contents down. Same thing applies to those carnival rides where you're spun around and the force of it pushes you against the wall, holding you there even with nothing under your feet. That's what they do in space when they need to simulate gravity. If you were to have a ring shaped dome like object in space, you could have the whole structure keep rotating, it being safe for people to live there in space.

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No, because scientists know the elemental makeup and conditions at play on venus. And they know that nothing happens on venus that would create phosphine. And if there were some unknown non-biological process at work creating phosphine, it would have to be occurring at ridiculous levels in order to create enough to not be disintegrated in the acidic atmosphere of venus.

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44 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

No, because scientists know the elemental makeup and conditions at play on venus. And they know that nothing happens on venus that would create phosphine. And if there were some unknown non-biological process at work creating phosphine, it would have to be occurring at ridiculous levels in order to create enough to not be disintegrated in the acidic atmosphere of venus.

They really don't.. If I have to give you a video of a NASA scientist being surprised at dust on the rover cameras because "wtf mars doesn't have wind it's atmosphere wouldn't support it". Only to  later say ahh... We didn't account for the convection of the planet causing it's own 'dust weather system' that's simular to air and weather patterns on earth...

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Honestly I think we have landed got a probe close to venus and they all rejoiced that they got a momentary glimpse of the planets surface before the probe burst into flames and exlploded so there is that.. 

https://starchild.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/StarChild/space_level2/venus.html#:~:text=Venus was the first planet,probe to land on Venus.

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1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

Its called spectroscopy. 

https://astronomy.com/magazine/ask-astro/2019/06/how-do-scientists-determine-the-chemical-compositions-of-the-planets-and-stars

Spectroscppy is not what the author of that article you posted used and it isnt what any scientist used to deduce environmental factors werent the cause either.. That's just what was used to observe the particles present on the planet.. You do realize that electromagnetic radiation is the primary thing being exploited there right?  I'm not an astronomer or an astrophysicist, but still Venus is a planet consumed by that.. Which is one of the reasons scientists in the field have been fascinated with it for so long..

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