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I'm seriously considering suing the school district I went to elementary in.

Worst case scenario for them is it was a bigoted conspiracy to fuck my life up to hurt my Dad because he wasn't raising us Christian.

Best case scenario is criminal negligence. I was not provided with adequate care, I was a kid, how could I have known better? I wasn't stupid, I was angry... that I was being targeted.

 

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9 minutes ago, NaBoomer said:

Local Homeless Man Sues His Former Elementary School for Gaslighting, Conspiracy to Fuck His Life Up

It's what happened. How it could make me look bad if I did the right thing and made them pay is something they were banking on. I was the one who got in trouble so much, but that was the christian kids fucking with me because I was a hippie. I was a kid, there wasn't anything wrong with me, I was just different and the school district enabled their abuse. The picture they'll want to paint about my attitude is fake news, and I have counters for them. It's all highly illogical.

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7 hours ago, Distortedreasoning said:

might need some more info on this story. but you were gaslighted as a kid? 

Often. I was the only hippie kid in a bible thumping red neck little town. I don't have the social skills I need to survive because of it.

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I've seen far more tenuous lawsuits pay off

could be worse.....could be trying to sue a Scientologist elementary school  :|

 

 

 

As stupid as it sounds, you can't say for certain that Scientologist elementary schools aren't a thing....yeah, this is real life

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15 hours ago, Mix said:

I've seen far more tenuous lawsuits pay off

could be worse.....could be trying to sue a Scientologist elementary school  :|

 

 

 

As stupid as it sounds, you can't say for certain that Scientologist elementary schools aren't a thing....yeah, this is real life

Big world. If you can think of it, there is probably someone doing it. Nefarious plots, people poised to thwart them, righteous plots, people poised to thwart them, and everything in between and everything else. Sort of like how the explosive force of fusion counteracts the inward pull of gravity to keep stars stable balls of burning plasma, all the billions and trillions of things in the world move and interact together. There is enough

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4 hours ago, Vamped said:

So .... specifically how did the school gas light you and leave you unprepared for real life?

Like I said before, I was the only hippie kid in bible thumping red neck town. Other kids picked on me maliciously and relentlessly, and the school district enabled their abuse by sticking me in the remedial class. I was the one who kept getting in fights because it was a bunch of other different kids, I was the antagonizer, not them. How could it be them when I got into fights so often? It was a conspiracy. I wasn't stupid, I was angry and rightfully so, but they told me being angry was bad, I was bad, and I was just a kid, I didn't know anything. I was the one being abused and targeted, and I was the bad guy, I was causing it. I was just a hippie who didn't go to church. They demonized me. I have zero social skills. I even get uncomfortable and edgy around people I like. That early situation established a pattern that had me stuck in remedial classes until I dropped out. I have a bad work history, and criminal record. I cannot get a job. I am pretty much fucked if I can't get them to pay for what they did.

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9 hours ago, Lasty said:

Like I said before, I was the only hippie kid in bible thumping red neck town. Other kids picked on me maliciously and relentlessly, and the school district enabled their abuse by sticking me in the remedial class. I was the one who kept getting in fights because it was a bunch of other different kids, I was the antagonizer, not them. How could it be them when I got into fights so often? It was a conspiracy. I wasn't stupid, I was angry and rightfully so, but they told me being angry was bad, I was bad, and I was just a kid, I didn't know anything. I was the one being abused and targeted, and I was the bad guy, I was causing it. I was just a hippie who didn't go to church. They demonized me. I have zero social skills. I even get uncomfortable and edgy around people I like. That early situation established a pattern that had me stuck in remedial classes until I dropped out. I have a bad work history, and criminal record. I cannot get a job. I am pretty much fucked if I can't get them to pay for what they did.

worth a try to to try and hit them with the lawsuit. 

 

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On 11/19/2019 at 12:21 PM, Lasty said:

Like I said before, I was the only hippie kid in bible thumping red neck town. Other kids picked on me maliciously and relentlessly, and the school district enabled their abuse by sticking me in the remedial class. I was the one who kept getting in fights because it was a bunch of other different kids, I was the antagonizer, not them. How could it be them when I got into fights so often? It was a conspiracy. I wasn't stupid, I was angry and rightfully so, but they told me being angry was bad, I was bad, and I was just a kid, I didn't know anything. I was the one being abused and targeted, and I was the bad guy, I was causing it. I was just a hippie who didn't go to church. They demonized me. I have zero social skills. I even get uncomfortable and edgy around people I like. That early situation established a pattern that had me stuck in remedial classes until I dropped out. I have a bad work history, and criminal record. I cannot get a job. I am pretty much fucked if I can't get them to pay for what they did.

So .... ignoring all of this other stuff because ... good luck with all that, when are you going to hold yourself accountable for what you can do to fix your situation now? They have adult classes for obtaining your GED, some at no cost to you, a criminal record and poor work history does not automatically disqualify you from being hired ... this just sounds like you've spent a lot of time thinking of excuses and not solutions to fix what is fixable now.

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7 minutes ago, Vamped said:

So .... ignoring all of this other stuff because ... good luck with all that, when are you going to hold yourself accountable for what you can do to fix your situation now? They have adult classes for obtaining your GED, some at no cost to you, a criminal record and poor work history does not automatically disqualify you from being hired ... this just sounds like you've spent a lot of time thinking of excuses and not solutions to fix what is fixable now.

In theory that's true, but, in reality, having a criminal record does disqualify you from a great deal of jobs, particularly those that pay a living wage.

That being said:  the point clearly isn't that he's not doing enough to improve himself intellectually, it's that he's holding on to a resentment that stops him from functioning.  He dropped out and has a record because he's retaliating against people who he perceives as attacking him unjustly.

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8 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

In theory that's true, but, in reality, having a criminal record does disqualify you from a great deal of jobs, particularly those that pay a living wage.

That being said:  the point clearly isn't that he's not doing enough to improve himself intellectually, it's that he's holding on to a resentment that stops him from functioning.  He dropped out and has a record because he's retaliating against people who he perceives as attacking him unjustly.

A great deal of people without criminal records cant get jobs that pay a living wage. It just sounds like he's making excuses to wallow in pity and not do anything about his situation. A shit job is still a job when you need a source of income. 

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16 hours ago, Vamped said:

So .... ignoring all of this other stuff because ... good luck with all that, when are you going to hold yourself accountable for what you can do to fix your situation now? They have adult classes for obtaining your GED, some at no cost to you, a criminal record and poor work history does not automatically disqualify you from being hired ... this just sounds like you've spent a lot of time thinking of excuses and not solutions to fix what is fixable now.

It doesn't "disqualify" me, but it does make it four times as much work for half as much pay as anyone with half as much intelligence as me and twice as much charisma. It's not fixable. Everywhere I fucking go, the answer is no, can't help you, go somewhere else. Variety of people who could help A: exonerate yourself with group B. Group B: Exonerate yourself with group C. Group C : Exonerate yourself with group A. Between the courts, landlords and employers, there's always some bullshit as to why what I'm trying to do TO FIX IT is a basically a crime. I wish I could show you what it's been like. Have you ever had to deal with this stuff? In Oregon, we have this thing called measure 11 and if you've ever committed a violent crime, you're basically fucked. Nobody will hire you. I don't want to leave my home or my friends. It sounds like I'm making excuses, because those motherfuckers knew it would always sound like excuses when they targeted me with gaslighting the way they did. So, if you say it "sounds like" I'm making excuses then there's some submitted possibility where I'm not? Could you use your imagination and (without patronizing or condescending) and describe your thoughts in that context? Are you saying it's not possible that I was maliciously and detrimentally denied the opportunity to pick up the skills I needed to survive by other people who knew society has a tendency to blame the individual, they could never be held accountable. Are you saying it's not possible to gaslight a child this way? Could you point to the checks and balances and tests and things that were in place to prevent that from happening, it didn't happen, it's all my fault? Why is it that anytime I try to point to the larger amalgam of variables and contributing factors in my character development, people say that I am somehow the only contributing factor? Are people not products of their environments? I guess you were born knowing how to speak english, you didn't pick it up from your environment, that's impossible! People don't learn things, they just know them! Just like I was supposed to be born knowing how to deal with other people, because that's how it is for everyone, isn't it?

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Lasty said:

It doesn't "disqualify" me, but it does make it four times as much work for half as much pay as anyone with half as much intelligence as me and twice as much charisma. It's not fixable. Everywhere I fucking go, the answer is no, can't help you, go somewhere else. Variety of people who could help A: exonerate yourself with group B. Group B: Exonerate yourself with group C. Group C : Exonerate yourself with group A. Between the courts, landlords and employers, there's always some bullshit as to why what I'm trying to do TO FIX IT is a basically a crime. I wish I could show you what it's been like. Have you ever had to deal with this stuff? In Oregon, we have this thing called measure 11 and if you've ever committed a violent crime, you're basically fucked. Nobody will hire you. I don't want to leave my home or my friends. It sounds like I'm making excuses, because those motherfuckers knew it would always sound like excuses when they targeted me with gaslighting the way they did. So, if you say it "sounds like" I'm making excuses then there's some submitted possibility where I'm not? Could you use your imagination and (without patronizing or condescending) and describe your thoughts in that context? Are you saying it's not possible that I was maliciously and detrimentally denied the opportunity to pick up the skills I needed to survive by other people who knew society has a tendency to blame the individual, they could never be held accountable. Are you saying it's not possible to gaslight a child this way? Could you point to the checks and balances and tests and things that were in place to prevent that from happening, it didn't happen, it's all my fault? Why is it that anytime I try to point to the larger amalgam of variables and contributing factors in my character development, people say that I am somehow the only contributing factor? Are people not products of their environments? I guess you were born knowing how to speak english, you didn't pick it up from your environment, that's impossible! People don't learn things, they just know them! Just like I was supposed to be born knowing how to deal with other people, because that's how it is for everyone, isn't it?

 

 

The thing about learning to socialize is, you cannnot sit there and do it alone. I have my part in the responsibility for that which is to be present, and listen, try to absorb the information. If I already can't socialize, my chances of getting anyone to help are slim, they pick up on my weirdness, get disgusted and I am perpetually denied the chance to learn, which deepens the issue every time it happens. They knew this dynamic would snowball into adulthood.

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41 minutes ago, Lasty said:

It doesn't "disqualify" me, but it does make it four times as much work for half as much pay as anyone with half as much intelligence as me and twice as much charisma. It's not fixable. Everywhere I fucking go, the answer is no, can't help you, go somewhere else. Variety of people who could help A: exonerate yourself with group B. Group B: Exonerate yourself with group C. Group C : Exonerate yourself with group A. Between the courts, landlords and employers, there's always some bullshit as to why what I'm trying to do TO FIX IT is a basically a crime. I wish I could show you what it's been like. Have you ever had to deal with this stuff? In Oregon, we have this thing called measure 11 and if you've ever committed a violent crime, you're basically fucked. Nobody will hire you. I don't want to leave my home or my friends. It sounds like I'm making excuses, because those motherfuckers knew it would always sound like excuses when they targeted me with gaslighting the way they did. So, if you say it "sounds like" I'm making excuses then there's some submitted possibility where I'm not? Could you use your imagination and (without patronizing or condescending) and describe your thoughts in that context? Are you saying it's not possible that I was maliciously and detrimentally denied the opportunity to pick up the skills I needed to survive by other people who knew society has a tendency to blame the individual, they could never be held accountable. Are you saying it's not possible to gaslight a child this way? Could you point to the checks and balances and tests and things that were in place to prevent that from happening, it didn't happen, it's all my fault? Why is it that anytime I try to point to the larger amalgam of variables and contributing factors in my character development, people say that I am somehow the only contributing factor? Are people not products of their environments? I guess you were born knowing how to speak english, you didn't pick it up from your environment, that's impossible! People don't learn things, they just know them! Just like I was supposed to be born knowing how to deal with other people, because that's how it is for everyone, isn't it?

 

 

Im saying I know and have helped people over the course of getting my degree in social work facing similar or worse situations but those people have wanted to make concrete goals and work to reach them. I think being a product of your environment only affects you so much. At some point you have to be accountable and work through your trauma in a healthy way or stagnate where you are. You like to say how you're intelligent and these jobs are beneath your intelligence but if you dropped out, you dont have the basic diploma or certificate to prove it. You want someone to hire you because YOU say you are intelligent?

You blame society, you blame your upbringing. Your trauma and experience is valid and important but life doesnt owe you anything. If the only way you can get a job with your criminal history is outside of Oregon, make some plans and goals to leave Oregon long enough to establish a work history. Work your way up from the bottom. 

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16 hours ago, scoobdog said:

In theory that's true, but, in reality, having a criminal record does disqualify you from a great deal of jobs, particularly those that pay a living wage.

That being said:  the point clearly isn't that he's not doing enough to improve himself intellectually, it's that he's holding on to a resentment that stops him from functioning.  He dropped out and has a record because he's retaliating against people who he perceives as attacking him unjustly.

In school, they would punish me for asking for help, punish me for not asking for help. Nothing I did was good enough because I wasn't a Christian. They tried to drive me insane, but it only sort of half worked because my folks managed to inoculate me at least in part before public school sank it's nefarious fangs into me...

There is a growing body of scientific research that shows that both intelligence and emotional intelligence are not static, fixed qualities, but are in fact fluid and change in potency and what not depending on the user's self esteem, previous practice, etc. I have a strange variety of high intelligence that is dependent on viewing everyone around me, regardless of their achievements and public accolades, as inferior to myself.  They did that? So could I, better than them. Do I need to? What are the chances that was some kind of dumb idea and a waste of time? A lot. In my world, other people will always have specific bits of information and skills superior to mine, with the exception of intelligence as defined by the amount of possibilities one can imagine and the speed at which one can learn. Emotional intelligence is much less my thing, because it's dependent on my being alone. If there's no one else around, I'm fine. But you won't let me be alone. There's no where in the world I could I build myself a home and live off the land without being uprooted, everything is spoken for. All of this is a result of what I had to do, these are the things I had to tell myself to cope with with what I was being put through. I wasn't crazy, they were! Not everyone in my adult life is that way, but the way they come at me triggers me, it's hard not to see things that way and react to resemblances to previous patterns, that's how heuristics works in everyone's brain. I'm not a narcissist, but I appear to most as one because I read so much, I have so much to say and nothing to show for it. I am a walking double entendre. (nothing for the primitive monkey charisma ladder)  My parents had told me I was smart and a good boy, and life had been so good up to that point. I knew how to read before I went to school. I was never stupid and I never stopped paying attention and there are things, real things, I can see through my rose colored lens that few others can. I can see, with great clarity, what most extroverts don't when they take for granted the warm, comforting glow of the safety and convenience of community.  Point is, I was forced into an outside position without losing my intelligence, my Dad taught me Socratic method and science, (I figured out pretty quick that there was no Santa and I was fucking proud of it) I observed other humans fairly objectively from a removed, fairly distant perspective. I might be the closest thing to an alien that has ever been on this planet.  I never stopped caring about people even as I grew bitter and jealous, I watched them because I wanted to use the information I was gathering to interject at just the right moment, I had the right idea, I saved the day and why did we ever doubt him... I don't care about the monkey ladder and that always triggers certain people who are balls deep invested in it, they always move to block every motherfucking thing I do, and I need a place where I can apply what I know constructively without delusions of grandeur or incriminating inaccurate diagnoses that would get me on pills that could destroy the delicate nature of my genius. I am the glass cannon. Don't fucking touch me, get out of my way, there's a thing I'm supposed to shoot, and your job is supposed to be to make sure I can do it without being shattered. This lens undoubtedly requires maintenance, but the auto help programs most people have are unintentionally making it worse, scratching the lens, not polishing...

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I know it's just a cartoon, but Rick Sanchez is right about school not being a place for smart people. They force feed feed you information to memorize, they don't generally teach you how to think or really learn. In the manhattan project, they had people working on portions of the project not knowing what they were making parts for. If caught and questioned, they couldn't describe the entire bomb. The same tactic is used in public schools, to isolate personality types into neat, predictable conforming roles for specific purposes in society... I can see the entire bomb, as it were.

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What @Vampedis saying is right, but you can't get to that next step until you do something about that anger you're harboring.  I, for one, don't think you're making excuses to be lazy, i think you're making excuses to fuel the anger that gets you through the day, and some of that anger is justified at least initially.  If you feel you're being ostracized, you naturally learn how to cope with abuse by relying on your own devices, and that's leading you down a path of attempting to destroy as much as you can rather than build something for yourself.

You mention that there is an Oregonian law that disqualifies violent offenders.  What crime were you convicted of that would disqualify you in that way?

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6 minutes ago, NaBoomer said:

Filing suit to hold your elementary school responsible for your poor social skills and unnchecked narcissism 

No. Learn to fucking read, you ignoramus. There are diatribes up in here, and the answer to your bulllshit here has already been posted. Go find it by reading the thread. or shut up.

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Just now, scoobdog said:

What @Vampedis saying is right, but you can't get to that next step until you do something about that anger you're harboring.  I, for one, don't think you're making excuses to be lazy, i think you're making excuses to fuel the anger that gets you through the day, and some of that anger is justified at least initially.  If you feel you're being ostracized, you naturally learn how to cope with abuse by relying on your own devices, and that's leading you down a path of attempting to destroy as much as you can rather than build something for yourself.

You mention that there is an Oregonian law that disqualifies violent offenders.  What crime were you convicted of that would disqualify you in that way?

It's not a law, it's more of an unspoken rule of thumb. Within the context of measure 11, there's no way an employer can view me as a cost effective investment.

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25 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Why not?

It's like I've been branded. They do a background check and hire someone else. If I have a history, it's likely to continue. That's not a wise business investment.

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7 minutes ago, Lasty said:

It's like I've been branded. They do a background check and hire someone else. If I have a history, it's likely to continue. That's not a wise business investment.

Yeah... I don't think it's background checks that are doing this.  You come across as a really angry individual, and most people pick up on that right away.  So the question is:  what about you makes you worthy of being hired?  I mean you must have some idea about the specific skills you have that make you a good employee.

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Just now, scoobdog said:

Yeah... I don't think it's background checks that are doing this.  You come across as a really angry individual, and most people pick up on that right away.  So the question is:  what about you makes you worthy of being hired?  I mean you must have some idea about the specific skills you have that make you a good employee.

Well, when I'm working alone and have full autonomy over every aspect of my space and the project, I can get work done very efficiently. I like to do things well for the sake of doing them well because I like challenges, but peopling is too hard. I give up. I need some type of thing where I don't have to people at all unless I want to. So many jobs where I have above zero percent chance of getting my foot in the door involve that agonizing excess of exposure that isn't healthy for my personality type. It's an extroverts world. There are a variety of things stacked against me. Anger is not an invalid emotion. People's rejection and repression of it is a prolific issue. I try to set a good example even though I know people won't like it. There must be someplace that could use all the things I have...

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And therein lies the central issue.  Very few jobs exist where you don't have the ability to interact with other people, and I can imagine that limits your appeal.  So, what would you need to make it so that you would be willing to interact with other people?  For instance, if you enjoy being a loner, what situation would allow you to be that and still interact with other people in a cordial fashion?  This is just a hypothetical exercise.

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6 hours ago, scoobdog said:

And therein lies the central issue.  Very few jobs exist where you don't have the ability to interact with other people, and I can imagine that limits your appeal.  So, what would you need to make it so that you would be willing to interact with other people?  For instance, if you enjoy being a loner, what situation would allow you to be that and still interact with other people in a cordial fashion?  This is just a hypothetical exercise.

None, I just can't do it.

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scoob is right, theres really not that many jobs that are out there that you are not interacting with people. you will have to come to terms with that sooner or later. or try to find something where interaction is minimal. try to compromise. 

 

help us out here, what type of job you have in mind that would be ideal for you?

 

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2 hours ago, Lasty said:

None, I just can't do it.

That is not true.   You need to socialize to survive.  At some point, you will have to learn how to deal with other people in a cooperative manner even if it's something as simple as going to the grocery store.

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7 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

That is not true.   You need to socialize to survive.  At some point, you will have to learn how to deal with other people in a cooperative manner even if it's something as simple as going to the grocery store.

He can go to the grocery store just fine, how else would he still be alive? 

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Well "just fine" as much as he can be considering we shamefully still require money for food
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2 hours ago, Lasty said:

None, I just can't do it.

Have you considered filing for disability for the mental issues they have diagnosed you with? Use their diagnoses they put upon you so you don't have to work because the state officially acknowledges that you can't and gives you money to live and then you can take advantage of programs to go back to school, they have a lot of online classes these days with no people, take advantage of stuff like that and use their educational resources to help you sharpen your glass cannonballs or whatever. Why not just do something like that, instead of an expensive joke fake lawsuit that isnt going to work, they're just going to throw it in the trash. 

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It sounds like he hasn't been diagnosed with anything, or, more accurately, has been avoiding any attempt to be diagnosed.

11 hours ago, Lasty said:

... I need a place where I can apply what I know constructively without delusions of grandeur or incriminating inaccurate diagnoses that would get me on pills that could destroy the delicate nature of my genius. ...

 

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