MasqueradeOverture Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 This week, FG goes back to the beginning, with the first two episodes from 1999 leading-in to Toonami. This should be an interesting test of the timelessness of those episodes! In Stretch-O-Vision? We're fucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's just kinda sad that Toonami can't earn it's own big viewership.... it always has to depend on whatever is before it. Seems kinda half-earned, if you ask me. But whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Nielsen ratings are a bitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 It's just kinda sad that Toonami can't earn it's own big viewership.... it always has to depend on whatever is before it. Seems kinda half-earned, if you ask me. But whatever. I would be also..... if they actually made an attempt to have an anime block that was decent instead of trying to coast on whatever has name recognition. Still waiting on War on Geminar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 And I just want to be on record again as saying that I called for Toonami to be cancelled as soon as they picked up Super. Dragon Ball Super is for BABIES. Holy crap... It doesn't even come close to its TV-PG rating. It's TV-G stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 26, 2017 Share Posted January 26, 2017 Dragon Ball Super is for BABIES. Holy crap... It doesn't even come close to its TV-PG rating. It's TV-G stuff. You're 100 years too young to be talking about TV ratings like you know their schematics while I'm around to see you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Hi While the ratings were pretty low this week, there's nothing to panic about yet. The 2017 line-up had a solid first week, and the second week it out-averaged the rest of the Adult Swim line-up in the 18-49 demo. Nothing is going to change after one night of low ratings, where even Family Guy couldn't break 1.4 million and a 0.6 in the key demo. With the news that Samurai Jack is coming back in March at 11:30, it looks like they've got plans to expand Toonami. The expected move is to move DBS to 11:00, put Jack at 11:30, and leave the rest of the line-up. They may also be airing Jack at 8:30 because they're planning to put encores there. Now, if the low ratings continue and Toonami consistently does worse than the rest of Adult Swim, then I could see plans changing with DBS and everything else getting bumped back, but this one week of bad ratings all around isn't going to cause that change. A wild Master Moltar appeared as a voice of reason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I believe one easy fix would be replacing 8 PM premieres of Dragon Ball Super with encores of the previous week's 11:30 Toonami showing. If you ask me, if the 8 PM hour isn't branded part of Toonami, then Toonami should get those premieres. It would be as simple as showing the same episode at 8 PM 2 weeks in a row. I daresay if Super had 11:30 PM premieres instead of encores of the 8 PM premiere, it would have gotten like 1.4M and even beaten Family Guy at 11 PM on those week weaks. Keep in mind that the DBZ Kai episode which scored 2.015M in August 2015 also had an 8 PM encore the following week, so encores at 8 PM have proven not to be too detrimental to Dragon Ball franchise premieres during Toonami. There's probably a stipulation in the contract about it. They might have done so already if it was allowed via whatever legal junk Toei wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMoltar Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 It's just kinda sad that Toonami can't earn it's own big viewership.... it always has to depend on whatever is before it. Seems kinda half-earned, if you ask me. But whatever. Toonami would do okay on its own, but every show on AS is going to benefit with FG as the lead-in because it's the strongest show they have. If they took FG off the night, DBS would get the highest ratings of the night, but overall the Saturday ratings would be lower. What's important to note is that of all the shows that follow FG (Robot Chicken on weekdays, Rick and Morty/now Venture Bros on Sunday, and DBZ Kai/now DBS on Saturday), the Saturday line-up drops off the least from it consistently. That shows both that more people are sticking around after FG for Toonami and that Toonami is bringing in its own audience as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Bad weeks happen. There's no real reason to get majorly distressed over it. This doesn't appear to be another January 2015 situation, so I don't think we need to worry about the future of Toonami just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 Why panic? Just grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Why panic? Just grab a bowl of popcorn and enjoy the show That aside, Toonami is doing fine, although I do think they should dump the 8 pm DBZ S premiere in favor of a rerun from the previous week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 DBZ: The only anime one can successfully reference in a Comedy Central Roast Battle and have the joke land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Why is it that DBZ is the only anime in America that has hit that mainstream status (well, besides Pokemon, but that wasn't only the anime thanks to the video game/card game) while in Japan a good deal of series have either met it, gotten close or even surpassed it. Is America really that full of dude-bros who are so caught up with self image, they won't dare to give anime a chance or something? The whole thing screams shallowness, but hey, enlighten me, what else could it possibly be? Actually, this even extends to action cartoons, because in America.... if it isn't live-action, it won't be taken seriously.... >_> And I mean a real thought-out answer... not a "Cause they just don't" reply or something similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Sometimes I wonder why you even ask such questions when you know the answer is a resounding "who cares?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Sometimes I wonder why you even ask such questions when you know the answer is a resounding "who cares?". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Well most Americans are stupid with short attention spans. The Japanese prefer video games with plot and massive amounts of complexity while we in the US prefer.... first person shooters. They didn't even release Final Fantasy 2 or 3 in the US, because they just assumed we would be too dumb to like it. And it's not like we in the US only like live action stuff. Frozen made a gazillion dollars. People of all ages went to see that again and again. But it's a simple plot, and done in 2 hours or less. Also there's the fact that the current anime block is god awful and being led by the shameless milking of a beloved franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Well most Americans are stupid with short attention spans. ^Exhibit A. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Well most Americans are stupid with short attention spans. The Japanese prefer video games with plot and massive amounts of complexity while we in the US prefer.... first person shooters. Weebs telling me FF 13 was better than Mass Effect is the rough equivalent of saying they have no idea how game design works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Sometimes I wonder why you even ask such questions when you know the answer is a resounding "who cares?". I mean, if you don't care then don't reply. That was for anyone who wanted to answer the question. If no one wanted to, then so be it - but I'd rather have that than a snarky remark stating how no one here cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Well most Americans are stupid with short attention spans. The Japanese prefer video games with plot and massive amounts of complexity while we in the US prefer.... first person shooters. They didn't even release Final Fantasy 2 or 3 in the US, because they just assumed we would be too dumb to like it. And it's not like we in the US only like live action stuff. Frozen made a gazillion dollars. People of all ages went to see that again and again. But it's a simple plot, and done in 2 hours or less. Also there's the fact that the current anime block is god awful and being led by the shameless milking of a beloved franchise. While I don't believe that to be 100% true, I think that fits the mold overall. That being said, the Japanese are typically way more educated and well-mannered than Americans generally (not always tho) so I guess I should expect this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/the-mystery-behind-japans-high-suicide-rates-among-kids/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 I mean, if you don't care then don't reply. That was for anyone who wanted to answer the question. If no one wanted to, then so be it - but I'd rather have that than a snarky remark stating how no one here cares. Well sorry for acknowledging the fact that I felt your question was unwarranted then! >( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 http://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/the-mystery-behind-japans-high-suicide-rates-among-kids/ Oh I'm well aware of the reasons Japan has a high suicide rate. But at the same time, their crime rate is way smaller than the USA's. Probably because, again, they're better educated on average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Or you know, because they have a much smaller population since a lot of them are dead. Or extremely elderly given their national crisis level low birth rate. But also dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Hey, a small birth rate is better than no birth rate at all. Still cause for concern, but better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Or you know, because they have a much smaller population since a lot of them are dead. Or extremely elderly given their national crisis level low birth rate. But also dead. Meh, I still think if we were in the very same delema, the United States would still have more crime. Things are more stricter in Japan, morals are more practiced, so crime isn't going to be as common. Unfortunely that rigid strictness is a contributing reason for the suicide rate being so high - many children don't believe they can be successful due to Japan's high expectations. Which is also another reason why birth rates are low as well, since kids can get in the way of financial success, most decide to not have any. Of course, America has the opposite problem in which our birth rate is too high - far too many children living in poverty here - which again ties into our overall education, or lack of - no morals and women just pop out crack babies with no plan or future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted January 29, 2017 Share Posted January 29, 2017 Yall are nuts. The correct answer is Donald Trump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Yall are nuts. The correct answer is Donald Trump. Donald Trump is the correct answer to absolutely nothing. He's thrown us back into Nixon's America circa 1971. But I digress. Let's talk TRENDING, shall we?? http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-trending-rundown-for-january-28-29-2017/ United States Trends: Toonami [#4] #DragonBallSuper [#1] #SamuraiJack [#7] #DBZKai [#1] #JoJosBizarreAdventure [#5] #GundamUnicorn [#2] #HunterXHunter [#2] #Shippuden [#1] #OnePiece [#1] Zoro (From One Piece, also during the West Coast airing) [#3] #OnePunchMan [#3] Worldwide Trends: #DragonBallSuper [#4] #OnePiece [#8] Tweet Counts: Toonami [6,100 tweets] #Toonami [3,525 tweets] #DragonBallSuper [4,730 tweets] #DBZKai [1,768 tweets] #JoJosBizarreAdventure [3,008 tweets] #GundamUnicorn [1,226 tweets] #HunterXHunter [2,496 tweets] #Shippuden [1,318 tweets] #OnePiece [5,984 tweets] Zoro (From One Piece) [6,323 tweets] But does all this translate to great ratings? We'll find out tomorrow! But even if it doesn't, a thought occurs: we might be in the point of the evolution of entertainment metrics that big trending numbers actually make up for lackluster ratings. That might explain why shows nowadays get a pass when in 2015 the bottom fell out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 RATINGS TUESDAY!!! First, a look back at last week: 1/21/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #58 Adults 18-34 Rating - N/A Estimated 18-34 - #VALUE! ( #VALUE! ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.28 Estimated 18-49 - 359,000 ( 51.29% ) Total Viewers - 700,000 1/21/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #20 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.53 Estimated 18-34 - 360,000 ( 38.92% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.43 Estimated 18-49 - 551,000 ( 59.57% ) Total Viewers - 925,000 1/21/2017 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - #36 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.41 Estimated 18-34 - 279,000 ( 36.71% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.34 Estimated 18-49 - 436,000 ( 57.37% ) Total Viewers - 760,000 1/21/2017 Gundam Unicorn - #50 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-34 - 258,000 ( 39.81% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.30 Estimated 18-49 - 385,000 ( 59.41% ) Total Viewers - 648,000 P.U.! Hopefully things improved this week, right? Well, I'm happy to report that they DID, though not by as much as I had hoped: 1/28/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #16 (UP 42) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.39 Estimated 18-34 - 265,000 ( 31.14% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32 Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 48.18% ) Total Viewers - 851,000 1/28/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #2 (UP 18) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.64 Estimated 18-34 - 435,000 ( 41.91% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.49 Estimated 18-49 - 628,000 ( 60.50% ) Total Viewers - 1,038,000 1/28/2017 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - #6 (UP 30) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.48 Estimated 18-34 - 326,000 ( 37.64% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-49 - 487,000 ( 56.24% ) Total Viewers - 866,000 1/28/2017 Gundam Unicorn - #8 (UP 42) Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.45 Estimated 18-34 - 306,000 ( 38.39% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36 Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 57.97% ) Total Viewers - 797,000 Not to mention that Toonami pretty much lorded over everything that wasn't College Basketball in Men 12-34. Not a bad night so far, but we'll find out how well 11:30 Super and everything after Gundam did in a little while! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 A little bit more information: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-jan-28-2017/ 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,158,000 (81.38%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,038,000 (89.64%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 866,000 (83.43%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 797,000 (92.03%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 779,000 (97.74%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 814,000 (104.49%) Amazingly, Naruto: Shippuden actually gained greatly on Hunter × Hunter in both total viewers and Adults 18-49, even only falling 3 spots shy of Gundam Unicorn! Behold the power of Killer Bee! Unfortunately, One Piece bombed after that and of course One-Punch Man was ineligible to appear in this Top 100 since TVBTN considers their broadcast day from 3 AM one night to 3 AM the following night. Dragon Ball Super at 8 PM unfortunately lost a little from its CN movie lead-in Rio, which is bad for a dub premiere, and a DBZ one at that. I believe [as] would do well to replace it with an encore of Toonami's 11:30 PM premiere, since it's really not doing that much better than DBZ Kai did in that timeslot (906K vs. 773K) and that would benefit Toonami as a whole better than this arrangement. But we'll see more data later on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 So better but One Piece and Hiatus are still failtacular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Meh... that ain't bad, really, but it's still meh. At least DBZKFC managed to outrate most of the competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Toonami pretty much won all of its timeslots for the most part. I suppose you COULD argue that the first 6 minutes of Gundam Unicorn lost to Friends on NAN, and that we don't know if OP beat its NAN counterpart (and we probably never will), but that's splitting hairs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I dunno about Hunter (97% retention rate, man), but OP, I'm inclined to agree, if it didn't even make the top 100. Still, if Naruto had to gain from Hunter on any single night, this was it. Killer Bee pushing Sasuke's shit in is always a joy to watch. [and it was my first time watching it] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 And once again I wish DeMarco would dump it and move on. No one would miss it. Smaller total watching TV = Lower total ratings. The percentages seem the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 LOL HxH got dunked on by Naruto again? If you're not going to get rid of that crap, at least give Naruto it's timeslot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Well, here's the "data dump" post you knew was coming eventually! : o http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-college-basketball-matchup-kansas-kentucky-espn-outdraws-nba-clippers-warriors-abc/ 6:00 PM Cartoon Network - Rio 1,184,000 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 851,000 (71.88%) 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 601,000 (70.62%) 11:00 PM Family Guy 1,423,000 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,158,000 (81.38%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,038,000 (89.64%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 866,000 (83.43%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 797,000 (92.03%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 779,000 (97.74%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 786,167 (100.92%) (1st 25 minutes at 814K; last 5 minutes at 647K) 2:30 AM One Piece 627,000 (79.75%) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man 671,000 (107.02%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 840,271 ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 417,000 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 313,000 (75.06%) 11:00 PM Family Guy 808,000 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 702,000 (86.88%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 634,000 (90.31%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 487,000 (76.81%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 457,000 (93.84%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 442,000 (96.72%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 440,000 (99.55%) (1st 25 minutes at 453K; last 5 minutes at 375K) 2:30 AM One Piece 376,000 (85.45%) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man 416,000 (110.64%) ADULTS 18-49 TOONAMI AVERAGE - 494,250 CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 906,000 (4 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30 PM) - 640,000 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,201,000 (4 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,074,250 (4 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 961,214 (14 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 752,750 (4 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 878,361 (36 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 881,388 (143 episodes) One Piece - 795,661 (171 episodes) One Punch Man Rerun - 625,167 (12 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Partial Estimate) - 436,500 (4 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30, Partial Estimate) - 295,667 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 717,250 (4 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 640,250 (4 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 579,571 (14 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 446,250 (4 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 517,306 (36 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 487,188 (126 episodes) One Piece - 432,690 (126 episodes) One Punch Man Rerun - 382,750 (12 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 303,667 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 436,500 (4 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 385,500 (14 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 302,250 (4 episodes) Note what happened with Naruto: Shippuden. Its timeslot was actually occupied by both the show proper and the video, so it turns out the 814K reported by TVBTN was only for the first 25 minutes of the timeslot, not the 5 minutes devoted to the video. The numbers listed above average the two slots together with proper weight. As a result, while Naruto Shippuden may have gained on its lead-in with adults 18-49, the 2 AM 30-minute timeslot did not. Not a bad week; now let's keep trending upward! 8) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 Damn, that was a badass episode with Zoro, too. Screw you, mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted January 31, 2017 Share Posted January 31, 2017 I'd blame that video more so than One Piece. It actually GAINED on the video by 1K in 18-49! Also, January 2017 did just barely edge out January 2015's 11:30 PM-3:30 AM time frame by 1K (797K-796K) and beat the 18-49 rather handily (478K-427K), so I don't anticipate Toonami will get hurt this year as it was in February 2015. However, it is important to note that 2016 made the 12-3:30 AM time frame of both 2015 and 2017 its bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Donald Trump is the correct answer to absolutely nothing. He's thrown us back into Nixon's America circa 1971. I'm fairly certain he can be the correct answer to THE ARISTOCRATS, or something of that nature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 6:00 PM Cartoon Network - Rio 1,184,000 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 851,000 (71.88%) 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 601,000 (70.62%) 11:00 PM Family Guy 1,423,000 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,158,000 (81.38%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,038,000 (89.64%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 866,000 (83.43%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 797,000 (92.03%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 779,000 (97.74%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 786,167 (100.92%) (1st 25 minutes at 814K; last 5 minutes at 647K) 2:30 AM One Piece 627,000 (79.75%) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man 671,000 (107.02%) TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 840,271 Definitely better than last week all around, so I can't complain there. That DB Super/Jack airing from 8-9 is doing terrible, though. I wonder if DB Super would do better if the episode was rerun of the previous week. The ratings for the block itself look good. Killer B is always fun to watch, especially when making Sasuke look like the bitch he is, so I can understand the uptick from Hunter. The retention rate of DB Super from Family Guy is terrible, though, so it's pretty clear that we need to cancel DB Super right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Definitely better than last week all around, so I can't complain there. That DB Super/Jack airing from 8-9 is doing terrible, though. I wonder if DB Super would do better if the episode was rerun of the previous week. The ratings for the block itself look good. Killer B is always fun to watch, especially when making Sasuke look like the bitch he is, so I can understand the uptick from Hunter. The retention rate of DB Super from Family Guy is terrible, though, so it's pretty clear that we need to cancel DB Super right now. What the HELL!? A retention rate of 82% is not "terrible", certainly not worthy of outright cancellation! Besides, what the hell would you replace it with? Yes, I realize it will be DISPLACED by Samurai Jack, but that isn't the same thing. Besides, its 18-49 retention rate is what really matters, and THAT was 87%! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 What the HELL!? A retention rate of 82% is not "terrible", certainly not worthy of outright cancellation! Besides, what the hell would you replace it with? Yes, I realize it will be DISPLACED by Samurai Jack, but that isn't the same thing. Besides, its 18-49 retention rate is what really matters, and THAT was 87%! Sarcasm, Al. Sarcasm. Though admittedly if I woke up tomorrow morning and DB Super no longer existed I would probably be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Damn, that was a badass episode with Zoro, too. Screw you, mainstream. I've long wondered this and now with the music video ratings I can somewhat prove the theory. People are leaving during Naruto. Not just after but also during. The ratings we get to see are an average for that half hour. It is very likely the first half Naruto and even the first quarter is the highest rated part. Depending on the episode people taper off and leave during it. You could certainly argue the music video got people to leave as well but I think quite a lot of them were already gone by then. Having shows pique at the start, middle or end of an episode is probably pretty common. Looking at this week's ratings I'd estimate the following. - Gundam piqued early and dropped before the end. - HxH probably piqued late due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon - Shippuden piqued early due to the conclusion of Hisoka vs Gon along with focus on Killer B, once Sasuke turned the fight around people got bored - One Piece piqued late by picking up viewers tuning in for OPM - One-Punch Man piqued early DBS/DBZ and JoJo probably piqued early 8pm DBS also probably piqued early (Rio on CN would have been a factor) and didn't hold viewers long enough to get to Jack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Super's retention remains quite good, losing only about 100k 18-49 from Family Guy is superb. It's just too bad that Family Guy only pulled in a 0.6 18-49. My first suggestion would be to swap American Dad to 10:00pm. That would likely help build up that 10:30-11:30 hour of Family Guy. 9pm won't do as but it will probably benefit 10-11:30 enough to offset that. It would also match Sunday if R&M was 9-10. That would make Sat and Sun 9-11:30 identical. Right now 8-11 on Saturday is getting hammered by BBT on TBS but I guess they're willing to take that loss because Jack and the hour of Rick & Morty cost nothing to air. But we've seen how a weak start for AS PT on Saturday can affect Family Guy negatively which in turn keeps the whole night down. So as much as I like the current dial back on FOX on Saturday PT, it'd probably be better for Toonami if the R&M rerun hour left in favor of more FOX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Sketch, do you mean "peaked" as in "reached its highest point?" Because that's how you spell that. "Pique" is used like "that piqued my interest." You may normally be right about Naruto but in this case I might have to doubt you. Whenever the peak was at 2 AM it was definitely high enough to send the first 25 minutes to a higher number of total viewers than had watched since 12:30. It has been shown that while the 30-minute timeslot averages often drop from one another with few exceptions (hence "retention rate" instead of "growth rate"), if you were to see how each 5-minute micro-timeframe does, it would be more like a roller-coaster ride with plenty of relative peaks and valleys. But if you're correct, then the valley at the end of Gundam would be much lower than the posted number and the one that begins Hunter x Hunter to boot. But maybe not THAT much lower, since its peak couldn't have been that much higher since JoJo only averaged 866K. Gundam, averaging 797K, probably inherited about 825K from the end of JoJo during its first 5 minutes, but then fell to more like 725K at its end (probably not uniformly, but with a greater drop-off in the last 15 mintues), while Hunter x Hunter probably inherited about 700K from Gundam but then grew to more like 900K by the end, setting the stage for Naruto's 819K average as it trended down throughout the episode to 647K by the end for the video. So you could definitely argue that even though HxH lost viewers from Gundam, it set the trend back toward gaining after the previous 4 shows had lost them. Based on that, it may be that the show most responsible for an uptick is the one before... ...but then again if that's the case, than One-Punch Man's impressive 0.7% growth over One Piece (3.1% in Adults 18-49) was not on its own merits, but One Piece. But could this really be the case? Could it be that One Piece DID indeed peak late since people getting home from bars and whatnot tune in for what they missed last summer/fall on One-Punch Man? If they tuned in early, then that means that One Piece reaps the benefits of showing a growing trend over the course of the episode, but that trend can't be attributed to desire to want to watch that show, but the one after. So the calculus of patterns of viewership leads to some interesting phenomena. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 1, 2017 Share Posted February 1, 2017 Sketch, do you mean "peaked" as in "reached its highest point?" Because that's how you spell that. "Pique" is used like "that piqued my interest." You may normally be right about Naruto but in this case I might have to doubt you. Whenever the peak was at 2 AM it was definitely high enough to send the first 25 minutes to a higher number of total viewers than had watched since 12:30. It has been shown that while the 30-minute timeslot averages often drop from one another with few exceptions (hence "retention rate" instead of "growth rate"), if you were to see how each 5-minute micro-timeframe does, it would be more like a roller-coaster ride with plenty of relative peaks and valleys. But if you're correct, then the valley at the end of Gundam would be much lower than the posted number and the one that begins Hunter x Hunter to boot. But maybe not THAT much lower, since its peak couldn't have been that much higher since JoJo only averaged 866K. Gundam, averaging 797K, probably inherited about 825K from the end of JoJo during its first 5 minutes, but then fell to more like 725K at its end (probably not uniformly, but with a greater drop-off in the last 15 mintues), while Hunter x Hunter probably inherited about 700K from Gundam but then grew to more like 900K by the end, setting the stage for Naruto's 819K average as it trended down throughout the episode to 647K by the end for the video. So you could definitely argue that even though HxH lost viewers from Gundam, it set the trend back toward gaining after the previous 4 shows had lost them. Based on that, it may be that the show most responsible for an uptick is the one before... ...but then again if that's the case, than One-Punch Man's impressive 0.7% growth over One Piece (3.1% in Adults 18-49) was not on its own merits, but One Piece. But could this really be the case? Could it be that One Piece DID indeed peak late since people getting home from bars and whatnot tune in for what they missed last summer/fall on One-Punch Man? If they tuned in early, then that means that One Piece reaps the benefits of showing a growing trend over the course of the episode, but that trend can't be attributed to desire to want to watch that show, but the one after. So the calculus of patterns of viewership leads to some interesting phenomena. Yeah I meant peaked. It probably is more of a roller coaster overall but consider the most likely time people are going to tune out: at the ad breaks. Since Toonami only has one in the middle of the show and one after it ends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Well buckle up boys and girls, Toonami's heading into the great unknown of 11PM! Samurai Jack will lead the charge followed by Dragon Ball Super. And Ghost in the Shell (which returns this week) will be broadcast in HD. They're finally putting the 2004 tapes to rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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