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Well...

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 207,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 386,000 (186.47%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 703,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 539,000 (76.67%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 501,000 (92.95%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 393,000 (78.44%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 330,000 (83.97%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 336,000 (101.82%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 295,000 (87.80%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 311,000 (105.42%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 246,000 (79.10%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 213,000 (86.59%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 193,000 (90.61%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 335,700

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-oklahoma-ohio-state-abcs-viewed-september-non-opening-week-college-football-game-six-years/

 

I had to squint several times to make sure I was reading it correctly.

 

... what was all that before about Super hitting above 900K!?

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assuming april 14th for flcl2 under the assumption they will air all 6 episodes before memorial day.

 

and i would guess flcl3 sometime after labor day.

 

april 14th works with a halloween preemption but not both that and an april 1st preemption. one or the other though.

and if there aren't any for either, it could easily just replace IBO.

with only one preemption aside from the last two weeks in december, if they can air mob psycho 100 they probably will at 12:30 and IBO s02's second half will move to 1:30. let's assume they do this:

 

the new flcl seasons should air at 11, flcl2 pushing super, kai, and jojo back. kai and jojo would finish at 12 and 12:30, and since attack on titan season 3 should be ready by the time flcl2 ends, that's a likely replacement.

 

and flcl3 could air as early as the week after labor day weekend if aot s03 is 12 episodes and they have a july 7th preemption. they've never preempted the block one week after the first episode of a premiere, it's always at least two.

 

can't really say for sure without knowing what's going on on halloween and april fool's.

 

I have FLCL 2 predicted for a February start, though that might be a little too early. However, I do think that, going off of the previous comment about JoJo's Part 3 being split cour, it could replace that show when it ends, probably in February. And then JoJo's could pick right back up again with the new arc when it's done, though I don't have that exact move on either chart.

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I have FLCL 2 predicted for a February start, though that might be a little too early. However, I do think that, going off of the previous comment about JoJo's Part 3 being split cour, it could replace that show when it ends, probably in February. And then JoJo's could pick right back up again with the new arc when it's done, though I don't have that exact move on either chart.

 

i think 6 weeks before memorial day is the latest "not too far into 2018" can go. if it's ready that early, that's certainly an option! but if it's not yet ready it's gonna be messy if they don't just wait until april 14th.

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My guess is DBZ Kai will likely take a break for FLCL S2 at 11:30, leaving Super at 11. I also see that to be potentially best for Toonami as a whole, as brand-spankin' new FLCL would likely gain 20% or so over a glorified DBS encore.

 

There's no need for DBZ Kai to air each and every week, and a split-arrangement with FLCL may actually be the best way to stretch it out through 2018.

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Things are back to normal this week, with Dragon Balls back in the Top 10, but still REALLY weird:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-16-2017.html

 

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9/16/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #9 (+54)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.45

Estimated 18-34 - 306,000 ( 38.93% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 58.78% )

Total Viewers - 786,000

 

9/16/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #10 (+37)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.44

Estimated 18-34 - 299,000 ( 38.58% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 59.61% )

Total Viewers - 775,000

 

9/16/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #14 (+48)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.39

Estimated 18-34 - 265,000 ( 42.88% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.31

Estimated 18-49 - 397,000 ( 64.24% )

Total Viewers - 618,000

 

9/16/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #12 (+64)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.46

Estimated 18-34 - 313,000 ( 46.23% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.33

Estimated 18-49 - 423,000 ( 62.48% )

Total Viewers - 677,000

 

9/16/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #33 (+58)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.26

Estimated 18-34 - 177,000 ( 36.20% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.21

Estimated 18-49 - 269,000 ( 55.01% )

Total Viewers - 489,000

 

Yes, that happened. DBS at 8:30 finally beat DBZKFC, and Tokyo Ghoul actually beat JoJo: Stardust Crusaders in Adults 18-49 and total viewers, plus not only WON THE NIGHT in 18-34 among Adult Swim/Toonami's originals but was #2 in Males 12-34 across all cable, EVEN COLLEGE FOOTBALL!

 

Given, that was a really weird episode of Stardust Crusaders, but you have to wonder if they're actually considering premiering Gundam IBO S2 at Midnight after all. Or maybe that was just an especially bangin' episode of Tokyo Ghoul? Considering it was the one in which One-Eyed Owl Yoshimura met his end, I'd have to say probably both!

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They may very well be pondering whether to put IBO at midnight. I myself am just not feeling this Jojo (in fact its the only thing still sitting on my DVR unwatched from last week), I wonder if more of the casual audience feels the same. I enjoyed the first season well enough, I don't know why I can't get into this one :( .

 

I wonder what AS will do if the 8:30 Super continues to uptick and starts getting close or beating the 11:00 PM airing? I really wish they could just use it to anchor some kind of mini Toonami block along with something else suitable and use the rerun farther down the later block.

 

Oh course we will wait and see what Family Guy did at 10:30 to get the full picture.

 

 

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Updated, so here we go:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-16-2017.html

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 515,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 786,000 (152.62%)

 

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 850,000

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 775,000 (91.18%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 618,000 (79.74%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 677,000 (109.55%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 589,000 (87.00%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 489,000 (83.02%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 394,000 (80.57%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 398,000 (101.02%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 414,000 (104.02%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 416,000 (100.48%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 562,000

 

Winners: 8:30 DB Super, Tokyo Ghoul

Losers: JJBA, Lupin the 3rd, Shippuden

Break even: pretty much everything else.

 

I like that the late night shows gained on each other slightly. They all also got a 0.17 in adults 18-49, but with more detail, will we see the same pattern? We'll find out soon!

 

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Updated, so here we go:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-16-2017.html

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 515,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 786,000 (152.62%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 1,275,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 850,000

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 775,000 (91.18%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 618,000 (79.74%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 677,000 (109.55%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 589,000 (87.00%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 489,000 (83.02%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 394,000 (80.57%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 398,000 (101.02%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 414,000 (104.02%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 416,000 (100.48%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 562,000

 

Winners: 8:30 DB Super, Tokyo Ghoul

Losers: JJBA, Lupin the 3rd, Shippuden

Break even: pretty much everything else.

 

I like that the late night shows gained on each other slightly. They all also got a 0.17 in adults 18-49, but with more detail, will we see the same pattern? We'll find out soon!

 

Where'd you get the Family Guy rating from?

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Honestly I knew what the anime was, I just wanted to be an arse. I can't speak personally about the quality of it but from the impressions of avid anime watchers, it's great wank material, with good characters and a serviceable plot.

 

Call me slowpoke but it should mentioned again how surprising it is that Netflix has come so far with anime and how it's now able to take most of Toonami's lunch. Not just with My Hero Academia and Kakegurui but with other action series like Seven Deadly Sins and Fate Apocrypha, the latter of which could have been a good introduction of the popular Fate Franchise to the Toonami brand. Of course this road was paved by Toonami since its revival but the existence of the service softens the blow if worst comes to worst.

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Haha, I wasn't sure if you were being smart aleky so I just posted the trailer in case you legit didn't know what it was.

 

Kakegurui wasn't even supposed to be a big hit, and now it's the most popular anime of Summer 2017. Seven Deadly Sins was a big hit, and the Castlevania anime apparently was as well. MHA was a pretty obvious pickup at this point, they just threw around a wad of cash to grab it.

 

I don't know how those Netflix guys are doing it though, they must have some psychics on their staff.

 

Meanwhile Demarco is like..... "You know what people want? MEME's and Mecha! Get me more Jojo and Gundam!"

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Haha, I wasn't sure if you were being smart aleky so I just posted the trailer in case you legit didn't know what it was.

 

Kakegurui wasn't even supposed to be a big hit, and now it's the most popular anime of Summer 2017. Seven Deadly Sins was a big hit, and the Castlevania anime apparently was as well. MHA was a pretty obvious pickup at this point, they just threw around a wad of cash to grab it.

 

I don't know how those Netflix guys are doing it though, they must have some psychics on their staff.

 

Meanwhile Demarco is like..... "You know what people want? MEME's and Mecha! Get me more Jojo and Gundam!"

 

Kakegurui blowing up is pretty damn astounding, mainly because its main focus is gambling but there it is. Goes to show how objectively strong character designs and good direction can make an appealing impression to casuals.

 

I'm surprisingly tore on Netflix's acquisition of MHA, on one hand they may have done Toonami a favor taking away yet another shonen series from the already saturated block. But on the other, with how popular the show is becoming and depending on if we would have gotten it this year, we possibly could have seen the successor to OPM.

 

Definitely, with the addition of what's in store for 2018, Godzilla, Devilman Crybaby, and their original anime, Netflix really knows how to pick em'. Maybe violent and dark anime with interesting concepts are the way to go, Demarco should take notes. Hopefully he'd learned his lesson from this crisis and will put the future of Toonami over giving the loud majority their fads (I am looking forward to IBOS2 though).

 

Edit-Arguably Jojo part 3 and some other shows fit that description but apparently the general audience doesn't see it!

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Jason joined the DSA about a week ago. I have to wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing socialist propaganda on Toonami. Steve Blum might be interested as well.

 

I haven't seen Kakegurui, but going off of my small bit of Anitwitter I'm not sure I've seen one person even reference it. I would assume the most popular anime of the season, excepting continuations, is Made in Abyss, even considering the Amazon handicap. Tsuredure Children also gets around, but it's not an action show by any means... and I've personally been disappointed by it. |::

 

As for this week's Toonami ratings, I would assume enough people were weirded out by JoJo's to have it lose out. But one bad week won't make a show move down. And Gundam IBO was never really a ratings powerhouse either, so I have no idea if they'll do a swap or not.

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Jason joined the DSA about a week ago. I have to wonder how long it'll be before we start seeing socialist propaganda on Toonami. Steve Blum might be interested as well.

 

I haven't seen Kakegurui, but going off of my small bit of Anitwitter I'm not sure I've seen one person even reference it. I would assume the most popular anime of the season, excepting continuations, is Made in Abyss, even considering the Amazon handicap. Tsuredure Children also gets around, but it's not an action show by any means... and I've personally been disappointed by it. |::

 

As for this week's Toonami ratings, I would assume enough people were weirded out by JoJo's to have it lose out. But one bad week won't make a show move down. And Gundam IBO was never really a ratings powerhouse either, so I have no idea if they'll do a swap or not.

 

Made in Abyss ain't even close to Kakegurui, it's not even a contest in terms of popularity =P

 

https://honeysanime.com/top-summer-2017-anime-of-the-season-thus-far/

http://goboiano.com/top-15-summer-2017-anime-so-far-as-voted-by-the-fans/

http://nolife4anime.blogspot.com/2017/07/top-5-most-popular-anime-summer-2017.html

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Haha, I wasn't sure if you were being smart aleky so I just posted the trailer in case you legit didn't know what it was.

 

Kakegurui wasn't even supposed to be a big hit, and now it's the most popular anime of Summer 2017. Seven Deadly Sins was a big hit, and the Castlevania anime apparently was as well. MHA was a pretty obvious pickup at this point, they just threw around a wad of cash to grab it.

 

I don't know how those Netflix guys are doing it though, they must have some psychics on their staff.

 

Meanwhile Demarco is like..... "You know what people want? MEME's and Mecha! Get me more Jojo and Gundam!"

 

Or, you know...DeMarco did try to grab those shows but Netflix outbid the living fuck out of [AS].

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Strange week of numbers.

 

Primetime Rick and Morty actually did well and both episodes gained over the Super premiere, which could be the start of a trend. Family Guy unfortunately didn't lift numbers too much after that, which is unusual.

 

Also some real fuel to the "8:30 Super is hurting the Toonami showing" theory this week as the 11 PM episode was virtually even with it, and the 8:30 premiere beat out everything after on Toonami. Between that and the drop between 11 PM Super and Family Guy, it's easier to make a case saying people are watching the 8:30 airing and not sticking around for Toonami. Might be time to put a true premiere at 11:00 PM.

 

Jojo retained Kai just fine this week, but it doesn't look good since Tokyo Ghoul weirdly overperformed this week. If it was consistently beating Jojo, like Naruto is consistently outrating Lupin, then that might call for a switch. I think it was just a one-off week though, and TG is almost done at this point anyway so its not a huge deal.

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Or, you know...DeMarco did try to grab those shows but Netflix outbid the living fuck out of [AS].

 

Seven Deadly Sins ... maybe? Did anyone ever say anything about it?

 

MHA yes, we know they got outbid.

 

Kakekgurui  and Castlevania definitely not though.

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Seven Deadly Sins is also Netflix. It's an exclusive.

 

Yeah it is now, because they bought the rights to it. With Castlevania they actually funded the anime so the rights were never up for grabs.

 

Unlike Castlevania.... someone else could have gotten Seven Deadly Sins, maybe.

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And apparently SDS has a Season 2 coming out. It could be back up for grabs for Toonami soon...

 

Also...

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 286,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 469,000 (163.99%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 704,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 509,000 (72.30%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 462,000 (90.77%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 394,000 (85.28%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 431,000 (109.39%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 346,000 (80.28%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 273,000 (78.90%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 272,000 (99.63%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 221,000 (81.25%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 222,000 (100.45%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 219,000 (98.65%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 334,900

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-abc-fox-garner-positives-college-football/

 

Also interesting to note: "For the entire week of September 11-17, 2017 in Total Day (8 p.m. to 5:59 a.m.), Adult Swim is up 5 percent in viewership (0.842 million vs. 0.803 million) and up 12 percent among Adults 18-49 (540,000 vs. 484,000) from one week earlier; the network is also down 9 percent in viewership (0.842 million vs. 0.928 million) and up 0.4 percent among Adults 18-49 (540,000 vs. 538,000) from the same week one year ago (September 12-18, 2016). (http://programminginsider.com/?p=19375)" Yes, UP over last year for once just slightly. But of course, Toonami wasn't responsible for any of that; it lost 35%.

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Considering Netflix also bought the mid season OVA, there's no way in hell they don't get Season 2.

 

It's just as well, more people will watch it next to Narcos than Bebop reruns.

 

Yeah, you have a point. Netflix pisses me off. But there's one thing that Netflix CAN'T touch and that's [as]/Toonami co-pros, which is why they should keep going with them. And since DBS appears to be entrenched in that 11 PM timeslot for the long haul, air those AFTER DBS so they can benefit the rest of the block.

 

But anyway, here is the latest show averages roundup; been a while since I've done one of these:

 

CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES

Total Viewers

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 830,125 (32 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 1,028,364 (33 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 952,088 (34 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 653,429 (7 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 663,864 (22 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 766,348 (66 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 499,400 (12 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 829,073 (171 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 433,500 (4 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 394,000 (2 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 365,625 (8 episodes)

 

Adults 18-49

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 411,688 (31 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 622,242 (32 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 574,647 (32 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 399,714 (7 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 404,955 (22 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 457,667 (66 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 293,500 (12 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 459,946 (154 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 256,250 (4 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 217,500 (2 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 237,375 (8 episodes)

 

Adults 18-34 (Estimated)

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 264,800 (29 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 388,118 (32 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 272,000 (6 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 274,429 (21 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 199,800 (10 episodes)

 

Note that due to only DBZKFC making the Top 50 on 9/9, there is one less episode's 18-34 rating available for most shows than total viewers and 18-49. Lupin the 3rd missed the Top 50 twice, so it's missing TWO episodes in 18-34. Speaking of Lupin, it has slipped back under 500K total viewers, not necessarily a huge deal because other shows on later have as well (it did actually get back above 500K briefly last week), but actually for the first time a Toonami show DUB PREMIERE has slipped under 200K 18-34! Let that sink in.

 

But as long as Rick & Morty keeps kicking ass on Sunday, who cares if Toonami tanks, right? It got its 11-4 time frame and though it's a long, hard slog, it would be better to stick it out than to undergo any asinine schedule shakeups. Plus, we've gotta have a new schedule bump coming when IBO S2 gets here, right? Although why we didn't have those playing all along during the commercial break of Rick & Morty is beyond me. This should have been airing every Sunday night this month at about 11:45:

 

 

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Jojo is clearly not cut out for midnight based on the numbers.

 

Just pointing that out.

 

 

This doesn't mean I don't like Jojo, it is just an observation based on fact.

 

Yeah but name the show Toonami has that could do better than Jojo?

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Yeah but name the show Toonami has that could do better than Jojo?

 

The problem is that the biggest drop of the night is from DBZ to whatever is next. When DBZ only gets 700k, it's gonna be low no matter what.

 

They do need to examine if another show can do better though and make the best choice for the overall night.

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The problem is that the biggest drop of the night is from DBZ to whatever is next. When DBZ only gets 700k, it's gonna be low no matter what.

 

They do need to examine if another show can do better though and make the best choice for the overall night.

 

Yeah but they have nothing that can do better, IBO definitely won't.

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