Enter The Trump Kakistocracy…

[Top Gun]

Keep being a piece of shit MD.

[stilgar]

It isn't a day ending in y without md spreading far right propaganda on this site.

[rpgamer]

3 hours ago, Top Gun said:

So hey, can we ban someone for being a lying piece of shit? Asking for a friend. 

Yeahhhh.. at this point it's blatantly spreading misinformation and propaganda.

But it's cool, guys. That's just, like, her opinion, man. Definitely no agenda to it.

[naraku360]

21 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Yeahhhh.. at this point it's blatantly spreading misinformation and propaganda.

But it's cool, guys. That's just, like, her opinion, man. Definitely no agenda to it.

Who is she tricking?

Everyone knows she's retarded.

[Jman]

https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/north-america-braces-new-trump-tariffs-saturday-deadline-nears-2025-01-31/
 

Once again, confusing signals concerning everything opposing Trump’s strongman image prompts a massive sell-off at the stock market.

Hedge funds are apparently betting on a market crash.

Edited Friday at 08:26 PM by Jman

[André Toulon]

37 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

Yeahhhh.. at this point it's blatantly spreading misinformation and propaganda.

But it's cool, guys. That's just, like, her opinion, man. Definitely no agenda to it.

I, for one don't want to be stuck in an echo chamber with y'all. I agree, MD is doing this shit on purpose, but it's you choosing to read it knowing it's going to trigger you. 

The last thing I want is to be stuck here with a bunch of people who's entire plan for the next four years is predicated on the idea that Trump is just gonna drop dead. Shit would be boring and I need a little spice with my message board.

Now don't get me wrong, historically y'all have been able to cry people away before and that's cool ....but has any of that stopped reality. MD spreading misinformation to a bunch of people who don't buy it isn't really effective and pretty benign imo, but I do understand that I'm in a gross minority of people who like fucking with idiots. 

 

I'll not vie for anything in current events as I'm not really effected, but I think the utopia y'all seek where everyone hates the same thing has very flimsy potential not to become a cannibalism folder when y'all run out of pariahs.

Edited Friday at 08:29 PM by André Toulon

[[classic swim]]

Poor Jman.

[Jman]

6 minutes ago, [classic swim] said:

Poor Jman.

I don’t think wanting to avoid triple on…everything is that dramatic a position.  Granted, with the Trump party, anything resembling human empathy is a sign of weakness.

As for pariahs, we’re a rather tightly knit community here.  Message boards are a reflection of an older internet culture.

[rpgamer]

5 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

 

I don't super have high stakes in it either, but.. I'm also less bothered by the prospect of an echo chamber. I mean, I get the concerns, but, an echo chamber is only bad if you literally never step out of it. Which this place is too small and inactive for that to likely be the case.

I look at it like The Daily Show. They're not out there trying to change minds being the voice of reason. They're there for fans to commiserate, to feel justified in their beliefs. It gets echo chamber-y, but it's a place of comfort to get away from the harsh realities.

But, I, too, recognize I'm often in the minority of having no qualms about curating the hell out of my internet experience to suit my needs.

[naraku360]

19 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I, for one don't want to be stuck in an echo chamber with y'all. I agree, MD is doing this shit on purpose, but it's you choosing to read it knowing it's going to trigger you. 

The last thing I want is to be stuck here with a bunch of people who's entire plan for the next four years is predicated on the idea that Trump is just gonna drop dead. Shit would be boring and I need a little spice with my message board.

Now don't get me wrong, historically y'all have been able to cry people away before and that's cool ....but has any of that stopped reality. MD spreading misinformation to a bunch of people who don't buy it isn't really effective and pretty benign imo, but I do understand that I'm in a gross minority of people who like fucking with idiots. 

 

I'll not vie for anything in current events as I'm not really effected, but I think the utopia y'all seek where everyone hates the same thing has very flimsy potential not to become a cannibalism folder when y'all run out of pariahs.

She's one of my last punching bags. 😢

[Top Gun]

16 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

I, for one don't want to be stuck in an echo chamber with y'all. I agree, MD is doing this shit on purpose, but it's you choosing to read it knowing it's going to trigger you. 

The last thing I want is to be stuck here with a bunch of people who's entire plan for the next four years is predicated on the idea that Trump is just gonna drop dead. Shit would be boring and I need a little spice with my message board.

Now don't get me wrong, historically y'all have been able to cry people away before and that's cool ....but has any of that stopped reality. MD spreading misinformation to a bunch of people who don't buy it isn't really effective and pretty benign imo, but I do understand that I'm in a gross minority of people who like fucking with idiots. 

 

I'll not vie for anything in current events as I'm not really effected, but I think the utopia y'all seek where everyone hates the same thing has very flimsy potential not to become a cannibalism folder when y'all run out of pariahs.

I get the echo chamber thing and that you like having toys to play with, but I look at it like this. If you're going to have a folder dedicated to political discussion, then there has to be some base standard there. Like, I don't think "don't knowingly and repeatedly post objective falsehoods" is a huge hurdle, but MD can't even clear that anymore. I'm all for being able to have reasonable discussions with people I disagree with, and at one time we could do that with MD, but at some point she decided for whatever reason to go full Jingo. There's no value in trying to talk with her anymore because she refuses to engage in good faith.

I don't know, does this forum software support locking people out of specific folders? Because that's how we do things in another community where I'm a moderator. Our political folder is opt-in, and if someone proves that they can't play nice, they're blocked from accessing it. We even did it in a broader sense to game modders who constantly acted like absolute shitbags; they got limited to their one project folder and nothing else so the rest of us wouldn't have to keep stepping in their shit everywhere.

[Master-Debater131]

Whats so fascinating in all of this is that the position that our politicians being bought and paid for by Big Pharma has been decidedly a left-wing position going back to at least the Obamacare debate when the public option was pulled from the bill. Not even 6 months ago it was a common talking point on the Left that Big Pharma had captured our politicians and rule making bodies.

But now that bad orange man has nominated someone who absolutely threatens big pharma profits that idea is somehow a right wing conspiracy.

its just fascinating to watch how the left is abandoning such long held positions simply because of bad orange man.

[Top Gun]

Could you attempt to show at least one iota of self-awareness in here? Just one? Maybe pretend to understand what the fuck people are saying? Because at this point I can't tell if you're even literate.

[Master-Debater131]

Simple question then, are our politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma?

Edit: And if you think they are, is that a problem?

Edited Friday at 09:30 PM by Master-Debater131

[Insipid]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Simple question then, are our politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma?

Edit: And if you think they are, is that a problem?

Yes, it's a problem, and RFK is not the solution.

[Jman]

15 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Whats so fascinating in all of this is that the position that our politicians being bought and paid for by Big Pharma has been decidedly a left-wing position going back to at least the Obamacare debate when the public option was pulled from the bill. Not even 6 months ago it was a common talking point on the Left that Big Pharma had captured our politicians and rule making bodies.

But now that bad orange man has nominated someone who absolutely threatens big pharma profits that idea is somehow a right wing conspiracy.

its just fascinating to watch how the left is abandoning such long held positions simply because of bad orange man.

Two things can be true at once -

1.  Big Pharma’s control over healthcare by pushing profits over people has been a disaster and led to a guy being shot and the killer declared a folk hero for it.

2.  A vaccine skeptic that puts his own profits over human lives belongs nowhere near the agency that coordinates responses when pandemics hit, and one we may need VERY soon if the bird flu and tuberculosis outbreaks worsen, given both are treatable (this isn’t the 1890s anymore)  but not if we have some quack telling us we can’t have those tools because it hurts his worm-eaten brain.

[Insipid]

4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Since people are struggling with it, heres the list of the top 20 Big Pharma politicians from 1990-2024

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=H04&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U

11 are Democrats, 2 are Independents (who caucused with Democrats), and 7 are Republicans.

Harris is #1, followed by Biden, Obama, and Hillary. Romney is the first Republican on the list.

Sanders is #12 on this list.

This is all chump change compared to Elon Musk's 250 million dollar contribution.

[Master-Debater131]

6 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Yes, it's a problem, and RFK is not the solution.

Is he perfect? No. But is he a step in teh right direction? Absolutely yes.

He has stated, and stated again in his hearings, that the capture by big pharma of politicians and the FDA is a problem that absolutely needs to be addressed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/30/robert_f_kennedy_jr_when_you_litigate_against_these_agencies_you_get_a_phd_in_corporate_capture.html

RFK continues to ask the question "why". And just for asking that question he is treated as some sort of extremist.

"Radical Transparency", as he puts it, is absolutely the best way to go. But that threatened Big Parhama and their capture of Congress and the FDA, so he must be labled an extremist to protect corporate profits.

[Jman]

He’s just trading one corp for another.

Get me someone who will guarantee access to vaccines in a pandemic so we all don’t die or have to fly to Canada or Europe to get them.  That’s the bare fucking minimum I want.

[naraku360]

34 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Whats so fascinating in all of this is that the position that our politicians being bought and paid for by Big Pharma has been decidedly a left-wing position going back to at least the Obamacare debate when the public option was pulled from the bill. Not even 6 months ago it was a common talking point on the Left that Big Pharma had captured our politicians and rule making bodies.

But now that bad orange man has nominated someone who absolutely threatens big pharma profits that idea is somehow a right wing conspiracy.

its just fascinating to watch how the left is abandoning such long held positions simply because of bad orange man.

Why would someone want to oppose someone for being bought by the same people they are?

That's one of the dumbest arguments you've ever made, and that's quite a precedent to meet.

Nobody here likes big pharma. We just think your point is fucking stupid.

[naraku360]

26 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Simple question then, are our politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma?

Edit: And if you think they are, is that a problem?

Oh, so you weren't saying they oppose RFK Jr for being bought by big pharma because you think he's against big pharma?

Alright, then you're mildly less dumb.

Still ridiculous as fuck to think RFK Jr isn't bought when he keeps getting money from them. And to suggest Sanders is pro-big pharma is simply beyond ludicrous.

[tsar4]

18 hours ago, Insipid said:

Just two hours after we said that, Pooh. Let me try something else . . . as the GOP seems to like "Roman salutes," the US Senate should remember how the Roman Senate handled a certain situation.

[discolé monade]

Trump administration purges websites across federal health agenciesJanuary 31, 20254:50 PM ET

[Top Gun]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Simple question then, are our politicians bought and paid for by Big Pharma?

Edit: And if you think they are, is that a problem?

No politician should be accepting ANY money from corporate interests, Big Pharma or otherwise. Most of them are. Yes, that is a problem.

This is completely separate from the fact that RFK Jr is a batshit insane worm-brained shitcock who shouldn't be trusted with a preschool toy doctor set, much less anything close to national public health policy.

[stilgar]

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Is he perfect? No. But is he a step in teh right direction? Absolutely yes.

He has stated, and stated again in his hearings, that the capture by big pharma of politicians and the FDA is a problem that absolutely needs to be addressed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/30/robert_f_kennedy_jr_when_you_litigate_against_these_agencies_you_get_a_phd_in_corporate_capture.html

RFK continues to ask the question "why". And just for asking that question he is treated as some sort of extremist.

"Radical Transparency", as he puts it, is absolutely the best way to go. But that threatened Big Parhama and their capture of Congress and the FDA, so he must be labled an extremist to protect corporate profits.

 

[katt_goddess]

20 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

Senate confirmed ND Gov Burgum as interior secretary. Don’t know what that is or who he is but I am sure he’s terrible 

Did RFKJ get confirmed yet?  I’m hoping enough GOP senators will think he’s a liberal loon and vote “no” it’s gotta be  4 or more of them, otherwise couch fucker just fucks the couch and breaks it 

Even I'm willingly to admit that compared to the rest of the demented knobgoblins nominated, he's almost normal. But he's the equivalent of lead paint chips in a daycare - someone is going to get poisoned, you just don't necessarily know who or when. He's the one that said while he was running for president that he had only had two jobs in his life - bank president and governor of ND and wasn't going to be anything less than president [ this from yet another republican that insists they know all about hard work and sacrifice because they are just like everyone else ]. He was also on the record saying that Drumpf was unfit and that he wouldn't want to be associated with someone like that because you know the character of a man by the company he keeps. And then when he lost the primaries to Shitler, a potential job offer in the cabinet was dangled in front of him and he couldn't pay in enough for it. And yes, he gave money to Drumpf for this job. 

Interior Secretary would be in charge of public lands, oil and minerals, parks, ensuring continuing trust with the Native populations, conservation. Buttgum once attempted to claim that the Standing Rock People were out-of-state protesters [ they were here before this wasteland was even a state ]. He's 100% pro-Big Oil. And he'd be in charge of whether or not to get Drumpf's huge ego carved into Mt. Rushmore. Guess what his vote would be?  

[discolé monade]

Exclusive: Musk aides lock government workers out of computer systems at US agency, sources say

it's ok. it's the d.o.g.e. 

[naraku360]

38 minutes ago, stilgar said:

 

Yes.

Yes, she is.

[katt_goddess]

2 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Is he perfect? No. But is he a step in teh right direction? Absolutely yes.

He has stated, and stated again in his hearings, that the capture by big pharma of politicians and the FDA is a problem that absolutely needs to be addressed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/30/robert_f_kennedy_jr_when_you_litigate_against_these_agencies_you_get_a_phd_in_corporate_capture.html

RFK continues to ask the question "why". And just for asking that question he is treated as some sort of extremist.

"Radical Transparency", as he puts it, is absolutely the best way to go. But that threatened Big Parhama and their capture of Congress and the FDA, so he must be labled an extremist to protect corporate profits.

Would you be this moist for Roadkill Robert if he was a Biden nominee? 

And I feel the need to remind you since you probably forgot [ it was a whole 11 days ago after all ] that Drumpf EO'd a revocation of anything Biden did which absolutely included all the work done to lower prescription drugs and cap insulin. Big Pharma is now able to claim they don't wanna and everyone gets to pay thousands of dollars for needed meds or just plain die. So...who is pro company profits again? 

[1pooh4u]

7 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Since people are struggling with it, heres the list of the top 20 Big Pharma politicians from 1990-2024

https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/summary?cycle=All&ind=H04&recipdetail=M&sortorder=U

11 are Democrats, 2 are Independents (who caucused with Democrats), and 7 are Republicans.

Harris is #1, followed by Biden, Obama, and Hillary. Romney is the first Republican on the list.

Sanders is #12 on this list.

Since you’re struggling with who actually gave him that $ here’s an explanation. The $ Sanders received came almost entirely from rank and file employees 

https://readsludge.com/2025/01/31/on-the-bernie-rfk-pharma-money-spat/

[naraku360]

Just now, 1pooh4u said:

Since you’re struggling with who actually gave him that $ here’s an explanation. The $ Sanders received came almost entirely from rank and file employees 

https://readsludge.com/2025/01/31/on-the-bernie-rfk-pharma-money-spat/

Wasn't a sizable chunk of Harris' campaign also from normal employees?

[1pooh4u]

10 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Wasn't a sizable chunk of Harris' campaign also from normal employees?

That idk. 

[tsar4]

[scoobdog]

4 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Is he perfect? No. But is he a step in teh right direction? Absolutely yes.

He has stated, and stated again in his hearings, that the capture by big pharma of politicians and the FDA is a problem that absolutely needs to be addressed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/30/robert_f_kennedy_jr_when_you_litigate_against_these_agencies_you_get_a_phd_in_corporate_capture.html

RFK continues to ask the question "why". And just for asking that question he is treated as some sort of extremist.

"Radical Transparency", as he puts it, is absolutely the best way to go. But that threatened Big Parhama and their capture of Congress and the FDA, so he must be labled an extremist to protect corporate profits.

So this is what happened.

You have a way of burning people don’t you?

[discolé monade]

Yet a pair of lavish, multibillion-dollar planes are somehow not on the chopping block, once again showing the administration's unwillingness to put its money where its mouth is.

39$bil up to 41$bil. yup....sure as hell seems like a mighty fine investment, mighty fine investment, indeed.

/s/

 

[tsar4]

"Oh Governor, my Governor..."

[Satou Kazuma]

Trump has finally weaponized the DOJ with all the mass firings in the FBI related to Jan. 6 attempted coup in the name of Trump's "stolen election".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agents-on-jan-6-capitol-riot-trump-investigations-to-be-fired-sources-say/

In other news, the EPA is also kaput.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-employees-warned-of-immediate-termination/

[Jman]

Something is going to break.  This is the sort of thing where it just takes one person to light a fuse and everything really goes to hell.

Probably hoping to declare martial law.

Edited Saturday at 04:19 AM by Jman

[Dark_Cloud_Overhead]

1 hour ago, Jman said:

Something is going to break.  This is the sort of thing where it just takes one person to light a fuse and everything really goes to hell.

Probably hoping to declare martial law.

[discolé monade]

His responses raised concern among health experts that Kennedy lacks basic skills needed for the job.

[PenguinBoss]

9 hours ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Is he perfect? No. But is he a step in teh right direction? Absolutely yes.

He has stated, and stated again in his hearings, that the capture by big pharma of politicians and the FDA is a problem that absolutely needs to be addressed.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2025/01/30/robert_f_kennedy_jr_when_you_litigate_against_these_agencies_you_get_a_phd_in_corporate_capture.html

RFK continues to ask the question "why". And just for asking that question he is treated as some sort of extremist.

"Radical Transparency", as he puts it, is absolutely the best way to go. But that threatened Big Parhama and their capture of Congress and the FDA, so he must be labled an extremist to protect corporate profits.

The most I could give you is that RFK is several steps past the right direction. He caused a measles outbreak in Guam, but you want him in charge of the entire country's health?

Oh, I know why. It's because you don't think it'll ever affect you negatively.

[discolé monade]

 prison is big money. big big money. 

The cost of keeping a prisoner at Guantanamo Bay is estimated to be over $13 million per year. This makes it one of the most expensive prisons in the world. 

 

The cost per prisoner in the federal prison system varies by security level and type of facility. In 2024, the average daily cost to house a prisoner in a federal prison was: 

 

• Minimum security: $151.02 per day
• Low security: $25,378 per year
• Medium security: $26,247 per year
• High security: $33,930 per year

[PenguinBoss]

Isn't it so high because it's relative to how many people are in the facility vs. operating costs? Like, I sincerely don't believe it would cost 13 billion a year if there were 1000 people in there.

[tsar4]

11 hours ago, Satou Kazuma said:

Trump has finally weaponized the DOJ with all the mass firings in the FBI related to Jan. 6 attempted coup in the name of Trump's "stolen election".

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fbi-agents-on-jan-6-capitol-riot-trump-investigations-to-be-fired-sources-say/

In other news, the EPA is also kaput.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/epa-employees-warned-of-immediate-termination/

He's going to dump a ton of people out on the streets, then fill the vacancies with his cronies & people who will think "they owe him".  Wouldn't be surprised to see some more of the Jan. 6 idiots filling some of them.

[tsar4]

I tried too, he's still there...

https://www.gocomics.com/nonsequitur/2025/02/01

[tsar4]

[tsar4]

Wonder how soon before "somebody" shuts them down?  The "data analyst" in me is intrigued.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1iew7mv/well_just_have_to_see_how_this_plays_out/#lightbox

 

[tsar4]

8 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

Wonder how soon before "somebody" shuts them down?  The "data analyst" in me is intrigued.

https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis

https://www.reddit.com/r/facepalm/comments/1iew7mv/well_just_have_to_see_how_this_plays_out/#lightbox

 

Thinking about this, the comment that Trump made about Musk knowing all about vote counting computers and the rush to get everyone out of Gov't he doesn't like.  He's pulling a football "turf" play - rushing to get as many of his people entrenched as he can so when this all comes out, he'll have people everywhere doing his bidding anyway. 

[discolé monade]

2 hours ago, PenguinBoss said:

Isn't it so high because it's relative to how many people are in the facility vs. operating costs? Like, I sincerely don't believe it would cost 13 billion a year if there were 1000 people in there.

 ****also in 2003 were many $$ drops to iraq, with absolutely no checks/balances or bookkeeping. one of several, losses of vast amounts of cash by the military complex.

 

In 2003, the cost to operate Guantanamo Bay detention camp was significantly less than the billions it would eventually cost in later years, but exact figures for that specific year are difficult to pinpoint precisely due to the early stages of the facility's development. 

 

However, we can estimate based on information available:

• Early Estimates:

  Initial estimates for the cost of the Iraq War, which began in 2003, were in the tens of billions of dollars, and the cost of operating Guantanamo was initially projected to be a fraction of that. 

   
• Early Costs:

  By 2003, the facility was still under construction and development, with the initial camp headquarters being built in 2004. 

   
• Rising Costs:

  While the exact cost for 2003 is not readily available, by 2013, the total cost of building and operating the prison from 2002 to 2014 was estimated at $5.2 billion, and that figure has continued to rise. 

   
• Per-Prisoner Costs:

  In 2013, the per-prisoner cost was estimated to be over $13 million per year, indicating the significant financial burden of the detention facility. 

   

 

In essence, while the exact cost of running Guantanamo Bay in 2003 is not readily available, it was significantly lower than the billions of dollars it has cost in later years, as the facility was still in its early stages of development and the prisoner population was also smaller at that time

Edited Saturday at 05:42 PM by discolé monade

[1pooh4u]

Blows my fuckin mind that anyone can say RFKJ is a step in the right direction and that he cries about “corporate capture” as someone from one of the most powerful families in this country is a fuckin joke. To ignore the outbreak he triggered with his bullshit is all you need to know but @Master-Debater131 will ignore all that and just focus on the shit that makes sense and is reasonable

That’s exactly how fascist dictatorships are formed when the citizens say “well sure he’s anti vaccine and anti science but he wants to remove big pharma from politics with zero plan or ability. He must be ok”

fuckin idiots IS2G