discolé monade Posted February 5 Posted February 5 12 hours ago, wacky1980 said: ehhhhhh, that post is kinda fearmongery. but if you're that worried about elon robbing your account, call your bank and issue a stop payment against any future ACH debits from the treasury. why such an obtuse statement? people are concerned, and righfully so, and no matter how they take matters into their own hands..is up to them. very disapoint [OPed] And so USAID seems destined to be dismantled, with maybe a few remnants transferred to the State Department. No matter that the agency was created, and is funded, by Congress; no matter that its destruction without congressional consent is illegal; no matter that legislators stood outside the doors in protest. 3 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 5 Posted February 5 12 hours ago, wacky1980 said: i read the comment. the op is spitting fearmongery bs. there's absolutely no reason to fear for your personal account balance because of what's going on. nobody's coming for approved and paid out federal tax returns unless an audit is performed first. there are still -a lot- of rules in place to prevent this. and even then, you can deny the payments with a simple phone call to your bank. going thru the process of changing your account number because of this fear is an unnecessary, tedious, tinfoil-wrapped oof. Oh so you’re fine with everything that’s going on even though you have no clue what his intentions on. Go back to wtf you were before coming back here. 1 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 5 Posted February 5 12 hours ago, rpgamer said: So, lemme get this all straight.... this whole treasury thing is being pushed by a handful of kids, possibly even just one on site, and all the employees, grown ass adults, knowing this shouldn't be happening, instead of curb stomping a bitch, just... let it happen? I'm confused by the prospect of "doing everything in our power to prevent this" when it'd only take a couple of folks to tie a kid to a chair. Idk. Like yeah, maybe there's more muscle on hand, or some other means of threatening etc. But. Would've hoped somebody would grow a spine, kick some fuckers out and barricade doors. Immediately the DoJ released a statement threatening anyone getting in the way of Musk’s goons with getting arrested. Maybe you don’t realize but these are regular non political employees just trying to do their jobs. They take their oath seriously but in the scheme of things they are nobody. They have families to worry about and all that. Idk what action movies you been watching but this is the real world. In real life people that are desk jockeys don’t go around curb stomping people. 4 1 Quote
Satou Kazuma Posted February 5 Posted February 5 CIA is next on the list of purges. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/politics/cia-workforce-buyouts/index.html 2 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 5 Posted February 5 11 hours ago, naraku360 said: The comment literally said they are most concerned about poor handling of data more than theft from within. I guess when Wacky gets notifications that his data was breached (we all got one of those at least) he just does nothing. 🤷♀️ 2 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 5 Posted February 5 1 minute ago, Satou Kazuma said: CIA is next on the list of purges. https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/04/politics/cia-workforce-buyouts/index.html We are fucked. It’s like the Trusk/MuMp administration is intentionally trying to weaken our defenses against foreign threats 4 1 Quote
scoobdog Posted February 5 Posted February 5 14 hours ago, wacky1980 said: i read the comment. the op is spitting fearmongery bs. there's absolutely no reason to fear for your personal account balance because of what's going on. nobody's coming for approved and paid out federal tax returns unless an audit is performed first. there are still -a lot- of rules in place to prevent this. and even then, you can deny the payments with a simple phone call to your bank. going thru the process of changing your account number because of this fear is an unnecessary, tedious, tinfoil-wrapped oof. I gotchu, Wacky. The whole bank account thing is more of a red herring to get people angry about what the real problem is - that Musk and his team have access to the actual disbursement system and can block payments that were already authorized. Actually changing your account is an arduous process and it can wreck havoc on your ability to pay most bills, not to mention damage your credit report in the process. It's not something anyone should just do as a precautionary action. That being said.... The very fact that Musk has access to actual account information is still extremely alarming. Musk has proven in the past that he is a terrible manager of a tech company, and the fact he's allowing a bunch of unknown jerkoffs to rummage through all that data while having no track record when it comes to implementing best practices and safety and checks should not be lost on anyone. It doesn't have to be these INCEL douches - all it takes is an enterprising hacker somewhere in suburban America to figure these idiots out and use the uncontrolled breach by Musk as an opportunity to steal data. It bears repeating: Elon Musk is looking at your personal data without anyone checking to make sure he's handling it with the utmost security. That is a golden opportunity for bad actors to come after your money and your identity. 5 1 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 5 Posted February 5 The Alt National Parks Service is a grassroots group of federal employees that formed during the first Trump administration. It started as a resistance against the administration wanting to drill in our National Parks. It has since expanded to include employees from all different branches of federal agencies. Many watching this chaotic shit show unfold in real time. Again the “fear mongery” post was just simply stating what one can do to protect their assets if they aren’t comfortable with Musk having that type of information. The post went on to further explain that they didn’t think Musk was going to do anything with that information however the main concern was Musk not protecting said information 2 3 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted February 5 Posted February 5 C.I.A. Sends White House an Unclassified Email With Names of Some Employees "The list of partial names was provided in an effort to comply with an executive order to trim the federal work force." Incompetence at its finest. They had no way of apparently sending the list in a classified manner to the office of personal management, so they had no recourse but to do it this way in order to comply with Trump's executive order. Geez louise. What insanity. 1 2 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Musk needs to be knocked down a few pegs. If people start rioting Trump is going to fire him so fuckin fast his head won’t stop spinning until he’s being sentenced by a judge. 3 Quote
discolé monade Posted February 6 Posted February 6 9 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: We are fucked. It’s like the Trusk/MuMp administration is intentionally trying to weaken our defenses against foreign threats because they are. smoke and mirrors, boys and girls, and people that try to tell folks 'don't worry. you worry too much.' 2 Quote
katt_goddess Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Personally, I'm glad I've always done the 'send the refund check directly to me' thing regardless of what anyone thinks about the bank warning. I may have to wait a little bit to get anything but there's no info on any of my accounts floating around either. Someone needs to find out where Vance is hiding most of the time and who he is hanging out with. Yes, the VP is usually quiet in the background during most administrations but he's the shithead that wrote the intro to Project 2025 after all. Everyone watching Shitler destroying all these things and Husk gutting our info systems, what is Vance destroying? 4 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Letters From an American Prof Heather Cox Richardson discusses Musk’s dismantling of USAID, intrusion into the Treasury and other departments https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/february-3-2025?r=kmtvs&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email 3 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 More Letters From an American More on what’s happening with our data in how Musk is being extremely irresponsible with it https://open.substack.com/pub/heathercoxrichardson/p/february-4-2025?r=kmtvs&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email 2 Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 2 hours ago, Raptorpat said: the extrajudicial troll who is also the mod He's just so embarrassing I can't think of an uncomfortable Michael Scott moment more cringe. 2 Quote
Insipid Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, katt_goddess said: Everyone watching Shitler destroying all these things and Husk gutting our info systems, what is Vance destroying? His own asshole from riding Peter Thiel's Aryan dick while this is all going om. 5 Quote
rpgamer Posted February 6 Posted February 6 12 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: Immediately the DoJ released a statement threatening anyone getting in the way of Musk’s goons with getting arrested. Maybe you don’t realize but these are regular non political employees just trying to do their jobs. They take their oath seriously but in the scheme of things they are nobody. They have families to worry about and all that. Idk what action movies you been watching but this is the real world. In real life people that are desk jockeys don’t go around curb stomping people. What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice. I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days. 1 Quote
Insipid Posted February 6 Posted February 6 29 minutes ago, rpgamer said: What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice. I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days. You do realize people were out protesting so much today, right? Were you? Otherwise, it seems foolish to say that the fight is impotent. Since you're using those kind of terms, stop expecting premature ejaculation. 2 2 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 39 minutes ago, rpgamer said: What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice. I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days. So get a group of like minded people and fight the way you think is best? 1 3 Quote
discolé monade Posted February 6 Posted February 6 53 minutes ago, rpgamer said: What I'm hearing is everyone's on board with punching nazis in theory, but not in practice. I've seen a lot of rhetoric about fighting fascism tooth and nail, but that "fight" is looking pretty impotent these days. not everybody. i've been fighting it since november. there are so many things you can do....just in your own community. don't have to curb stomp. don't have to yell and scream. sometimes, just making sure someone has a meal and shoes and a jacket, is enough to piss off the absolute right kind of fascist. and i'm just getting started. i'm not tooting my own horn, i'm saying enough bitching is enough. time for action. time to be useful. iono...try it. 2 3 Quote
tsar4 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) First run at articles of Impeachment On 2/4/2025 at 1:24 PM, 1pooh4u said: I don't know why I can't get rid of the other post reference. Edited February 6 by tsar4 1 Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 On 2/4/2025 at 9:51 PM, naraku360 said: The comment literally said they are most concerned about poor handling of data more than theft from within. yeah no, i still read the comment. and it still doesn't change the op being fearmongery. Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 14 hours ago, discolé monade said: why such an obtuse statement? people are concerned, and righfully so, and no matter how they take matters into their own hands..is up to them. very disapoint [OPed] And so USAID seems destined to be dismantled, with maybe a few remnants transferred to the State Department. No matter that the agency was created, and is funded, by Congress; no matter that its destruction without congressional consent is illegal; no matter that legislators stood outside the doors in protest. see, that's the whole point. if people are concerned -- and rightfully so -- why peddle more fearmongery bs that's simply not a real threat? all they're doing with that is adding yet another layer of anxiety onto an already scared populace. you can call it obtuse all you want, but i'm not in the biz of scaring people into activism. good to see you too. Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 10 minutes ago, wacky1980 said: yeah no, i still read the comment. and it still doesn't change the op being fearmongery. I don't think being sleptical of Elon's level of responsibility is fearmongering when he is regularly rresponsible. Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 14 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: Oh so you’re fine with everything that’s going on even though you have no clue what his intentions on. Go back to wtf you were before coming back here. oof, salty. nobody living in reality is fine with everything that's going on right now. even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), there are still rules in place that simply can't be waived away via EO. stop spreading shit that scares stupid people. Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: I guess when Wacky gets notifications that his data was breached (we all got one of those at least) he just does nothing. 🤷♀️ sure, we'll play this out. i got compromised in the experian breach in 2017. i lost every fucking shred of my personals. someone tried to apply for unemployment, at the place i was still working. i had to freeze my credit. i had to file tax docs to prevent fraudulent returns filed under my ID. i had to cancel all my credit and debit cards, and change all my deposit accounts (an ACTUAL reason to do so). at the end of the day, my entire personal / financial record was worth about $100 in settlement disbursements. kindly, bite this ass. Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 12 hours ago, scoobdog said: I gotchu, Wacky. fair enough. i guess in order to avoid getting too far into the weeds, the easiest response is, can he do that much worse than the old guard? but before you answer that, let me remind you that the answer is "maybe yeah". Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 3 minutes ago, wacky1980 said: fair enough. i guess in order to avoid getting too far into the weeds, the easiest response is, can he do that much worse than the old guard? but before you answer that, let me remind you that the answer is "maybe yeah". Yeah, pretty much where I'm at. 1 Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 23 minutes ago, naraku360 said: I don't think being sleptical of Elon's level of responsibility is fearmongering when he is regularly rresponsible. we would agree here. but that doesn't change the fact that elon could blow up the entire treasury, and yet the FED would still have rules in place. Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 4 minutes ago, wacky1980 said: we would agree here. but that doesn't change the fact that elon could blow up the entire treasury, and yet the FED would still have rules in place. I have very limited faith in the powers that be these days.... 1 Quote
wacky1980 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 minute ago, naraku360 said: I have very limited faith in the powers that be these days.... the FED is extra-governmental. they'll be the last pillar to topple. you'd be better off spending your energy on the fear of a canuck invasion. Quote
scoobdog Posted February 6 Posted February 6 43 minutes ago, wacky1980 said: fair enough. i guess in order to avoid getting too far into the weeds, the easiest response is, can he do that much worse than the old guard? but before you answer that, let me remind you that the answer is "maybe yeah". You’re conflating a systemic security breach with a personnel breach. Most Americans live with the specter of an aging computer code that’s exploited or a network that’s overloaded. But those are singular flaws in highly complex processes; hackers, even state sanctioned, work in teams continuously over months to find the proverbial needle in a haystack. A human security breech is a variable that is reactive and unpredictable. Humans don’t make the same mistake in the same situation because their frame of mind is constantly in flux. Nine of ten times you won’t click on an email that’s an obvious phishing scam, but that tenth time may coincide with a distraction that impedes your ability to see the scam or there’s a particular phrase that changes the scam enough to create a blind spot that affects only you. One hacker sending a limited rotation of phishing emails relentlessly to a known bunch of inexperienced kids is going to have about the same degree of success as the team of hackers. Add to that the fact that a human has access to multiple networks in a compact and convenient way that a server does not. This is a human with access to multiple critical networks at once. So, no, it’s not maybe worse, it’s definitively and objectively worse. 3 2 Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 1 hour ago, wacky1980 said: the FED is extra-governmental. they'll be the last pillar to topple. you'd be better off spending your energy on the fear of a canuck invasion. My problem is more in terms of their ability to hold those in power accountable. I'm of the opinion that not only Trump, but really every president in my lifetime would be behind bars in a reasonable world. Trump is the most egregious in how dangerous a person I view him and his sycophants to be, however I include Democrats in my statement. All these people are war criminals. 5 Quote
naraku360 Posted February 6 Posted February 6 5 minutes ago, scoobdog said: You’re conflating a systemic security breach with a personnel breach. Most Americans live with the specter of an aging computer code that’s exploited or a network that’s overloaded. But those are singular flaws in highly complex processes; hackers, even state sanctioned, work in teams continuously over months to find the proverbial needle in a haystack. A human security breech is a variable that is reactive and unpredictable. Humans don’t make the same mistake in the same situation because their frame of mind is constantly in flux. Nine of ten times you won’t click on an email that’s an obvious phishing scam, but that tenth time may coincide with a distraction that impedes your ability to see the scam or there’s a particular phrase that changes the scam enough to create a blind spot that affects only you. One hacker sending a limited rotation of phishing emails relentlessly to a known bunch of inexperienced kids is going to have about the same degree of success as the team of hackers. Add to that the fact that a human has access to multiple networks in a compact and convenient way that a server does not. This is a human with access to multiple critical networks at once. So, no, it’s not maybe worse, it’s definitively and objectively worse. It's like how you don't have to be stupid to fall for a scam. I've fallen for them as a matter of recognizing the risk but giving the wrong person the benefit of the doubt, and out of ignorance, and out of emotion. But broadly speaking, most people are able to recognize when something is off, it won't prevent them from having weaknesses that someone will find to exploit. 2 Quote
discolé monade Posted February 6 Posted February 6 (edited) 9 hours ago, wacky1980 said: see, that's the whole point. if people are concerned -- and rightfully so -- why peddle more fearmongery bs that's simply not a real threat? all they're doing with that is adding yet another layer of anxiety onto an already scared populace. you can call it obtuse all you want, but i'm not in the biz of scaring people into activism. good to see you too. fair enough. but in my case, i'm plenty scared. i posted somewhere...probably the musky thread, but my acces to my v.a. information has been halted. there is no reason for that to be the case. i've been using the new/required login (login.gov) for over 3months, an just as recently as 2 weeks ago, where i requested my last optic exam, so i can pay for some more, now, [...and this is odd,] i never recieved an email saying they got the secure message. i went back (2 weeks ago) and there was no sign of a message, or any past messages, for that matter. yesterday i get a letter with the information, again, a message would have been sent through the system, letting me know why i'm getting a hard copy. glitch? maybe , but then i read that musky musk and his funky bunch has everyone's info, and they've able to hack into the current server, and recode the $$ routings systems, which includes....you guessed it, my pay. it's ok, i'm prepared, i've been prepared, since the felon was placed on his throne. so you call it fearmongery (which if i had even just 100's of 1000's of $$ in an account, i would do some drastic changes. sometimes it's better to allow the person to rant that fear, then try to explain...cordially, what steps would be better to take. how's the beer garden? Edited February 6 by discolé monade 2 1 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 9 hours ago, wacky1980 said: oof, salty. nobody living in reality is fine with everything that's going on right now. even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), there are still rules in place that simply can't be waived away via EO. stop spreading shit that scares stupid people. You’re the only one scared idiot because most other people read the entire fuckin thing, you fuckin Packard and MD had a baby, and out shot you. 1 2 Quote
1pooh4u Posted February 6 Posted February 6 10 hours ago, tsar4 said: First run at articles of Impeachment I don't know why I can't get rid of the other post reference. Nothing is going to come of this. It’s irrelevant that Trump already took a dump on our constitution 2 Quote
Dark_Cloud_Overhead Posted February 6 Posted February 6 Been listening and thinking about what Musk is really after in getting access to the payment system, and the thing that I've heard that makes the most sense to me is kind of the most obvious I think. He's looking to monetize it, but not by doing something as obviously illegal as messing with people's bank accounts or anything like that. I think that idea is pretty farfetched. Not so much that it would be impossible for him to do it necessarily, but just it would make no sense that he would ever try something like that when there's a much more attractive and safer alternative for him. Just the data itself is worth its weight in gold. Okay, so it doesn't have any actual weight cuz it's data, but you know what I mean. https://ourfinancialsecurity.org/2025/02/blog-what-will-elon-musk-and-his-tech-bros-do-with-your-personal-data/ Since Musk acquired X, he has promoted turning the social media platform into a financial services “everything app” including banking services and virtual payment platform that would encompass your “entire financial life.” This business model is not unlike the massive and dominant financial services payment apps in China like WeChat and AliPay that blur the lines between banking and commerce. Former Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB) Director Rohit Chopra, whom Trump fired on Saturday, has warned that these apps have become state surveillance tools that closely monitor the lives of Chinese people. Musk has developed this plan for years, acquiring money service transmitter licenses in multiple states. And, just a week a ago, X signed a deal to partner with Visa to provide peer-to-peer payments for tasks like splitting bills with friends or buying a coffee by connecting to people’s debit cards and bank accounts, which represents the first step in actually creating Musk’s long-sought, Chinese-inspired platform. And what might give Musk’s newly muscular social media-payments platform a critical edge in a market filled with other powerful banks and financial services companies? Well, access to the federal payment data and sensitive personal information of tens of millions of Americans just might do the trick. Combining that data with what X already extracts and Musk’s Starlink satellite internet usage data would then create a powerful, textured, database of private information on all of us. They've been trying to assuage people's fears saying he was only give read-only access, but that's all he really needs. He is the exact type of person this information is supposed to be kept away from at all costs and why all this really should be scaring the shit out of people. With every story the last couple weeks, I keep hearing one thing echoing over an over again in my mind: "Big Brother is watching you." Trump may be something of a buffoon, who's mostly just concerned with always being the center of attention, but he's the perfect smokescreen for a guy like Musk whose ambitions appear far grander and much more dangerous. He is exactly the type of would-be tyrant Orwell was warning us about. 4 1 Quote
Insipid Posted February 6 Posted February 6 13 hours ago, wacky1980 said: even if elon's intentions are 100% shitstain evil (which i doubt but you don't care about that), I'll bite and preface the question only in one way: what is the richest man on Earth currently doing that suggests his intentions aren't 100% evil? 5 Quote
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