Let’s talk Cartoons!

[Insipid]

Insufferable media enthusiast comment: Avatar: The Last Airbender was objectively the best cartoon on Nickelodeon and anyone who says otherwise just has shit taste.

Edited December 31, 2024 by Insipid

[scoobdog]

1 hour ago, [classic swim] said:

For what it’s worth, I like both shows but dislike both creators to an extent.

The one friend from TZ that I kept is the solar opposite in that he’s critical of MacFarlane but swears Trey and Matt up and down. (Bit of the info from before I got from him.)
 

Conservatism with the audience came up a lot in those discussions.

FG’s still watched by millions but isn’t relevant or good enough to have far-right support anymore. Where as Elon’s always the first to prop up a dull South Park special on Paramount because he thinks it’s destroying the left. And “South Park Republican” as a term has always existed for some reason.

There’s an invisible but distinct division between the creator and their creation.  A great example is Chris Rock.   Will Smith had every right to be angry and hurt at Chris Rock’s alopecia joke because regardless of what Jada has done to not deserve sympathy it’s mean spirited.  That doesn’t make it right for him to be slugged on stage, but he did get slugged because it’s harder to distinguish the joke from its writer when the delivery is by a real face.  Not coincidentally, Seth McFarlane bombed at the Academy Awards when he hosted because the jokes he typically delivers as Peter (or Brian, or Stewie)  have a face in person.

In the broader view, this is how animation has played such an important part in the history of comedy.  The earliest Mickey Mouse shorts minimize the humiliation the villain experiences to utilize the action while downplaying the seriousness of the drama.  More recently, animation allows for shows like Bojack Horseman that have jokes built into psychological drama of an unlikeable protagonist without the pathos unintentionally reflecting the writers of those shows.  Somewhere in between, you have the likes of Matt Groenig who creates a universe characters who deliver the jokes through their distinct personalities.

Ultimately, guys like Seth push that boundary.  He repeatedly includes jokes about other shows in FG, and those jokes veer into criticizing the writers either indirectly or, in the case of Seth Green, almost directly.  It opens up McFarlane to anger and vitriol.

[rpgamer]

54 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Insufferable media enthusiast comment: Avatar: The Last Airbender was objectively the best cartoon on Nickelodeon and anyone who says otherwise just has shit taste.

I mean, sure, but also, seems unfair to put it up against anything else since it kinda hits a totally different genre.

Invader Zim was great as well, but I wouldn't really make any comparisons between the two.

[Insipid]

11 minutes ago, rpgamer said:

I mean, sure, but also, seems unfair to put it up against anything else since it kinda hits a totally different genre.

Invader Zim was great as well, but I wouldn't really make any comparisons between the two.

Kappa Mikey was a similar show made in the same time barely anyone remembers . . . and was quite bad. 

[[classic swim]]

34 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Ultimately, guys like Seth push that boundary.  He repeatedly includes jokes about other shows in FG, and those jokes veer into criticizing the writers either indirectly or, in the case of Seth Green, almost directly.  It opens up McFarlane to anger and vitriol.

This goes both ways for me because most of what I can’t stand about South Park is its own suffocating ego attached.

It’s been in this constant state where simply being a satirical program supposedly means it’s this impenetrable fortress that’s 100% immune to ever being called dumb. 

I caught flak from the worst cheeto smelling fucks on Toonzone about it when it’s the creators themselves who willingly carry on that impression. 

“People care about this? Lol. That’s gay. We don’t care about gay things.”  But they went on to do that super important and worthwhile topical commentary about the Kardashians anyway.

What I found with Family Guy is that even during the heyday, plenty of fans were more than willing to sit back and say “yeah, that fucking sucked” when they truly deserved it. You tried that with South Park sometimes and they behaved like you just kicked a dog in the face.

[scoobdog]

8 hours ago, [classic swim] said:

This goes both ways for me because most of what I can’t stand about South Park is its own suffocating ego attached.

It’s been in this constant state where simply being a satirical program supposedly means it’s this impenetrable fortress that’s 100% immune to ever being called dumb. 

I caught flak from the worst cheeto smelling fucks on Toonzone about it when it’s the creators themselves who willingly carry on that impression. 

“People care about this? Lol. That’s gay. We don’t care about gay things.”  But they went on to do that super important and worthwhile topical commentary about the Kardashians anyway.

What I found with Family Guy is that even during the heyday, plenty of fans were more than willing to sit back and say “yeah, that fucking sucked” when they truly deserved it. You tried that with South Park sometimes and they behaved like you just kicked a dog in the face.

My comments were more focused on the overstepping of personal boundaries than the work itself.  South Park is  in a vain of self-important satire that extends back to the invention of the printing press.  It takes an immense amount of bravado and self-assurance to pronounce the perceived foibles of society and its leadership, and that naturally progresses into arrogance.  That being said, the arrogance you see is in the characters, not the writers, because it's the characters that end up facing the consequences of their arrogance.  Family Guy is more of an animated sitcom, relying on a stand-up type of humor that has its roots in golden age greek comedies.  That takes a similar amount of bravado, but there's also the understanding that, like a stand up comedian, the jokes are as much a product of the flawed nature of the animated comedian as they are of their targets.  In that sense, its easy to take a hearty "you suck" from your audience because jokes bombing is in a integral part of the stand-up process.

[[classic swim]]

13 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

That being said, the arrogance you see is in the characters, not the writers, because it's the characters that end up facing the consequences of their arrogance.

This episode’s conclusion was them melodramatically forgetting they’ve written and created a cartoon character for TV.

It became all about scorn over a voice member’s departure. Which, even back then they were almost positive he didn’t write a negative press statement from the departure. Because Isaac Hayes was dementia-riddled with a stroke and evidently the perfect bait for Scientology.

Even if you didn’t find the Chef character funny at all, it was still a character that they bothered to barely keep around for ten years. You can even attribute Chef appearing in SP less then to how unnecessary his write-off show was in retrospect.

The Return of Chef was more of a desperate fanbase obligation to make an edgy statement, because that was the year that they’d be on the news for 12 other things anyway.

[André Toulon]

Watching a Saturday morning cartoon comp on yt.

I like the commercials more than the cartoons.

Some of these I've never seen before and they are all genesis/snes era due to the ass so no reason I should have missed thrm

[naraku360]

33 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

they are all genesis/snes era due to the ass

🤨

[André Toulon]

19 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

🤨

I said what I said 

[André Toulon]

Speaking of commercials, I'm on Mars right now and this commercial came on

And I knew I had seen it before but I didn't dedicate it to memory....when the dogs goes "I can't read" I fucking died from splits sides...like I'm choking, couldn't breath but I couldn't stop laughing. 

 

[discolé monade]

20 hours ago, [classic swim] said:

Could it have been this? 

oh this is so close. but not this one. the one i'm looking for was in the early 80's. 

[discolé monade]

THIS NEEDS TO BE BROUGHT BACK!!!!

 

 

[Blazing Puck]

I spent the first day of new year binge watching the OG Transformers series. I regret nothing.

[discolé monade]

conjunction junction 

and this one was my all time favorite of the 'school house' rock.

 

[Distortedreasoning]

i watched all the cartoons that i could as a kid. after school watched cartoons. saturday morning wake up early to watch cartoons. then you had cartoons that had big theater releases. big fan of the disney movies from the late 80s to throughout the 90s. fox and wb also had a good run in the 90s as well. even pbs had some good ones. 

 

 

 

 

[viperxmns]

Hey here's wacky delly 

 

[discolé monade]

ahhh monsters!  that one was so cute. 

 

[Blazing Puck]

Now that I have access to the TMNT 24/7 channel I should probably give the CBS episodes a chance

[Blazing Puck]

I miss these

 

[Blazing Puck]

My Top 5 Favorite Saturday Morning Cartoons

1. X-Men

2. The Bugs Bunny and Tweety Show

3. A Pup Named Scooby Doo

4. The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh

5. Garfield and Friends

[discolé monade]

cartoons that get overlooked, and are pretty good, (pbs)

arthur - i like the rabbit. and the music is by a marley. 

nature cat - absolutely adorable and educational

thomas the tank engine. all of them are cool in their own way. 

peg + cat - my all time favorite. 

Edited Sunday at 04:52 PM by discolé monade

[1pooh4u]

Hard to pick my favorite Saturday cartoons so here they are in no particular order 

The Completely Mental Misadventures of Ed Grimly 

Bobby’s World 

The New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Muppet Babies

Fat Albert

School House Rock (for quick learning)

Coconut Fred Crazy Coconut Island (can’t remember exact title)

[discolé monade]

i forgot about bobby's world. 

and there was one on disney back in the 90's - stanely

 

doug

pb j otter

[Insipid]

13 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

pb j otter

Lake Hoohaw

fugg's hooha

[1pooh4u]

13 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Lake Hoohaw

fugg's hooha

Why does everything with you have to circle back to Fuggs’ vagina? 😬😆

[Insipid]

1 minute ago, 1pooh4u said:

Why does everything with you have to circle back to Fuggs’ vagina? 😬😆

Gotta keep the memory of her alive.

[[classic swim]]

Movie store in my area that I went to religiously closed down.

Place was going for decades. ‘03-04 was when they started putting ATHF, Sealab etc on shelves and that was my first time seeing [as] shows/merch out in public. When DVDs mattered I liked that they were good enough to warrant physical copies besides just bootlegs or me taping them.

[scoobdog]

I like Nature Cat as well.

[1pooh4u]

After school cartoons were also pretty great 

[1pooh4u]

Animaniacs Tiny Tunes X Men Yugi oh Batman Tom and Jerry Woody Wood Pecker 

[scoobdog]

Inspector Gadget!  It had an air of mystery it had no right to have.

[discolé monade]

 

[Blazing Puck]

I've come to the realization that slice of life drama/comedy anime just isn't for me. It's not that I haven't tried in fact School Rumble was the series that got me back into anime in the first place but since then a lot of these types of just don't do it for me. I guess I really have poor taste in anime fine I'll hold that but after so many years of trying my damnest to find a slice series that I can sink my teeth into I just have to be honest with myself and just that this just isn't working and it's time move on. 

[rpgamer]

Confession: Beast Wars is basically the only Transformers media I've ever consumed.

I think the writing still holds up decently. The animation is... well, early CG, what can you do.

...

Remaster it, apparently, per the other great CG animation of the time, the OG, ReBoot.

 

[Blazing Puck]

My Top 10 Favorite Cartoon Theme Songs

1. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

2. DuckTales 

3. Gummi Bears

4. Scooby Doo Where Are You?

5. Garfield and Friends

6. The New Adventures of Winnie The Pooh

7. Darkwing Duck

8. Sonic The Hedgehog (Saturday Morning Series)

9. Thundercats

10. Aladdin

 

Edited 7 hours ago by Blazing Puck

[scoobdog]

The greatest opening theme I’ve ever heard was from an anime.