Smoke Has No Smell and Other Signs I Shouldn’t Be Involved in Economics

[smiradenius]

6 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

The bottom thirty percent have just sunk through the floor, thanks to outrageous fuel prices brought by this administration's failed energy policies. 

 

When it's costing a trucker five hundred dollars more to deliver the bacon and it's costing the supermarket proprietor another six hundred dollars every month to keep the bacon at a safe temperature,  don't be surprised when the bacon costs more at the register.

[Insipid]

1 hour ago, smiradenius said:

The bottom thirty percent have just sunk through the floor, thanks to outrageous fuel prices brought by this administration's failed energy policies. 

 

When it's costing a trucker five hundred dollars more to deliver the bacon and it's costing the supermarket proprietor another six hundred dollars every month to keep the bacon at a safe temperature,  don't be surprised when the bacon costs more at the register.

I would be annoyed with you, but lately there has been a renewed eat-the-rich attitude and Trump's tariffs may accelerate certain things to happen. You are a comrade whether WE like it or not, bitch.

[katt_goddess]

2 hours ago, smiradenius said:

The bottom thirty percent have just sunk through the floor, thanks to outrageous fuel prices brought by this administration's failed energy policies. 

 

When it's costing a trucker five hundred dollars more to deliver the bacon and it's costing the supermarket proprietor another six hundred dollars every month to keep the bacon at a safe temperature,  don't be surprised when the bacon costs more at the register.

Fact check time - when given a chance to do something about price gouging, republicans chose to vote to protect price gouging because oil and gas companies were the top gougers to be targeted in a crackdown. 

So remember, if you don't like the high cost of gas, you shouldn't have voted for those who make their allowance from keeping that price high. 

[smiradenius]

19 minutes ago, katt_goddess said:

Fact check time - when given a chance to do something about price gouging, republicans chose to vote to protect price gouging because oil and gas companies were the top gougers to be targeted in a crackdown. 

So remember, if you don't like the high cost of gas, you shouldn't have voted for those who make their allowance from keeping that price high. 

None of the oil companies are gouging anything.  They're only charging according to the costs of regulatory compliance balanced against the lost productivity brought by this administration's refusal to grant new drilling permits.

 

Were they gouging when gasoline was around two dollars per gallon?

 

What has happened since then?

[SwimOdin]

43 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

None of the oil companies are gouging anything.  They're only charging according to the costs of regulatory compliance balanced against the lost productivity brought by this administration's refusal to grant new drilling permits.

 

Were they gouging when gasoline was around two dollars per gallon?

 

What has happened since then?

Fuck yes you’re back giving horrible uneducated political posts! Tell us all the stupid shit, packard! Let the ignorance flow!

[smiradenius]

3 minutes ago, SwimOdin said:

Fuck yes you’re back giving horrible uneducated political posts! Tell us all the stupid shit, packard! Let the ignorance flow!

So, tell me why the gouging didn't happen until after Trump left...

 

Yes, I want to see two dollar per gallon gas prices again.

[SwimOdin]

1 minute ago, smiradenius said:

So, tell me why the gouging didn't happen until after Trump left...

 

Yes, I want to see two dollar per gallon gas prices again.

Exactly! That’s the uneducated, bullshit, low-intelligence posts I want from you. Tell me more things that are incorrect! 

[smiradenius]

15 minutes ago, SwimOdin said:

Exactly! That’s the uneducated, bullshit, low-intelligence posts I want from you. Tell me more things that are incorrect! 

Like the two dollar per gallon gas, perhaps?

 

https://www.everlance.com/blog/gasoline-prices-per-state-and-what-determines-the-price-we-pay-for-gas

Edited December 8 by smiradenius

[1pooh4u]

Someone’s feeling lonely and left out, apparently 

[naraku360]

This is your brain on crack:

1 hour ago, smiradenius said:

None of the oil companies are gouging anything.  They're only charging according to the costs of regulatory compliance balanced against the lost productivity brought by this administration's refusal to grant new drilling permits.

 

Were they gouging when gasoline was around two dollars per gallon?

 

What has happened since then?

 

[smiradenius]

2 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

This is your brain on crack:

 

Well, would you rather pay two dollars per gallon or whatever you're paying now?

 

The price has dropped before.  It went back up.  It can be brought down again and all anybody has to do is address the the issues that lead to price hikes.  Hint: It’s not gouging.

[SwimOdin]

4 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

This is your brain on crack:

 

I checked the “simping for the oil companies” bingo square. Everyone, please update your cards accordingly in the coming posts. Someone’s got to be close to bingo.

[SwimOdin]

YES I checked the “can’t stop saying $2 for some reason” square. Just one more…

[smiradenius]

Just now, SwimOdin said:

YES I checked the “can’t stop saying $2 for some reason” square. Just one more…

https://www.everlance.com/blog/gasoline-prices-per-state-and-what-determines-the-price-we-pay-for-gas

[katt_goddess]

1 hour ago, smiradenius said:

None of the oil companies are gouging anything.  They're only charging according to the costs of regulatory compliance balanced against the lost productivity brought by this administration's refusal to grant new drilling permits.

 

Were they gouging when gasoline was around two dollars per gallon?

 

What has happened since then?

Dumpster got rid of various regulations so the precious wouldn't have to worry about pesky things like keeping employees from being killed or injured on the job or stupid things like clean water and air and landfills that didn't have radioactive waste products dumped in them at full cost to the taxpayer. 

There are still plenty of permits that AREN'T being used because the oil companies like to play the baby. The only NEW drilling permits being pushed right now are for exploratory bullshit in currently protected lands which, guess what, Dumpster wants to open because he doesn't like anything that smacks of natural. He just wants to sell off land, especially if it isn't his to sell. One of those places is the Arctic Refuge in Alaska where not only would drilling destroy habitat and numerous species but the TAXPAYERS would be 100% responsible for paying for the roads going out into that wilderness and maintaining them while the drill-baby-drills would gut the place and keep all the profits. Of which they make BILLIONS in PROFIT every QUARTER. 

They are in fact gouging at every opportunity and any time something doesn't seem to be going their way, they slow down production themselves and raise things even higher. 

Much like your attempt to claim superior knowledge of all things Canadian with someone who actually grew up on that border and frequently traveled across it, you are now attempting the same thing with someone who actively lives in a stupid oil producing state and has to deal with derailments and toxic landfills. You lost this round before you even finished thumb-twiddling a single post. 

[smiradenius]

23 minutes ago, katt_goddess said:

Dumpster got rid of various regulations so the precious wouldn't have to worry about pesky things like keeping employees from being killed or injured on the job or stupid things like clean water and air and landfills that didn't have radioactive waste products dumped in them at full cost to the taxpayer. 

There are still plenty of permits that AREN'T being used because the oil companies like to play the baby. The only NEW drilling permits being pushed right now are for exploratory bullshit in currently protected lands which, guess what, Dumpster wants to open because he doesn't like anything that smacks of natural. He just wants to sell off land, especially if it isn't his to sell. One of those places is the Arctic Refuge in Alaska where not only would drilling destroy habitat and numerous species but the TAXPAYERS would be 100% responsible for paying for the roads going out into that wilderness and maintaining them while the drill-baby-drills would gut the place and keep all the profits. Of which they make BILLIONS in PROFIT every QUARTER. 

They are in fact gouging at every opportunity and any time something doesn't seem to be going their way, they slow down production themselves and raise things even higher. 

Much like your attempt to claim superior knowledge of all things Canadian with someone who actually grew up on that border and frequently traveled across it, you are now attempting the same thing with someone who actively lives in a stupid oil producing state and has to deal with derailments and toxic landfills. You lost this round before you even finished thumb-twiddling a single post. 

So, you're okay with a trucker having to pay five hundred dollars more to run a truck on a job that barely pays him anything to begin with.  You're okay with the electric company doubling  your bill for the same number of kwh because the fuel to generate the power has doubled in costs.  Got it.  

 

 

[SwimOdin]

6 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

So, you're okay with a trucker having to pay five hundred dollars more to run a truck on a job that barely pays him anything to begin with.  You're okay with the electric company doubling  your bill for the same number of kwh because the fuel to generate the power has doubled in costs.  Got it.  

 

 

You’re really bad at this.

[smiradenius]

1 minute ago, SwimOdin said:

You’re really bad at this.

You probably think a trucker fills his tanks for free.

[[classic swim]]

So you’re okay with that trucker having to spend 500 dollars out of his own pocket during that haul to Arkansas as you are with the electric company doubling your bill for the same number of kwh.

What do you call it when the broker scrapes a sample of the metal onto a stone like pad and then swabs the pad with a chemical that changes color according to the type of metal it is?

[stilgar]

Packard, why are you so fucking stupid?

[Sieg67]

24 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

You probably think a trucker fills his tanks for free.

Even if you were right, you're only looking at a small portion of the big picture.  You may not realize this but regulations have been keeping you safe your entire life.
Medicine, food and other everyday items are made safer with regulations.  Companies will do a lot of shady shit to make a quick buck if there's nothing to stop them.

You also seemed to have skipped over this.
"They are in fact gouging at every opportunity and any time something doesn't seem to be going their way, they slow down production themselves and raise things even higher. "

This is something they in fact do.  They want to keep those share holders happy.

Edited December 8 by Sieg67

[Insipid]

1 hour ago, smiradenius said:

Well, would you rather pay two dollars per gallon or whatever you're paying now?

 

The price has dropped before.  It went back up.  It can be brought down again and all anybody has to do is address the the issues that lead to price hikes.  Hint: It’s not gouging.

Having an economy based on the price of oil is quite precarious, which is one of the many reasons why countries are trying to move away from it. The Middle East knows it can no longer just rely on oil in the future. China, our main adversary, is at the forefront of green energy.

But yeah, let's just drill baby drill for the hell of it and ignore the basic economic principles of supply and demand. Green energy is just woke transgender bullshit. Corporations definitely have the common man in their minds, first and foremost.

Fucking dumbass. Again, you don't even drive and are a victim of a car-dependent society.

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, smiradenius said:

It’s gouging.

 

[André Toulon]

Ooh, can I name the next thread splice?

[André Toulon]

Quality link from the economic mastermind who gave you other hits like "I buy illegal smokes but it doesn't mean I'm a criminal"

[SwimOdin]

Good thread title, packard. Well done.

[discolé monade]

counters with a blog. a defunct site, to boot .

lol

 

 

Edited December 8 by discolé monade

[tsar4]

Back when the price was yoyo-ing, it seemed somewhat contrived.  Price goes up...well, there was a fire at a refinery in Indiana (ok, I get it, supply drops cost goes up).  Then the price went back up a bit more after they fixed the Indiana refinery...well, they had to shut down another plant for "maintenance". (ok...).  Then, there was another fire at a different plant (seriously?  Are you guys Russian and having "cigarette incidents"?).  Then there was some other plant issue elsewhere...oh, and not to forget the "switch" between Summer blend and Winter blend gas price increase.

Lately here, it seems like the price of gas gets below $3/gal, then jumps 40-50 cents, and slowly declines again...but I never hear a corresponding reason/excuse.  

I could also rant about our local "E88" blend - cheaper, but the mileage sucks bad, so you have to buy it more often, off-setting the "cheapness". 

[scoobdog]

6 minutes ago, tsar4 said:

Back when the price was yoyo-ing, it seemed somewhat contrived.  Price goes up...well, there was a fire at a refinery in Indiana (ok, I get it, supply drops cost goes up).  Then the price went back up a bit more after they fixed the Indiana refinery...well, they had to shut down another plant for "maintenance". (ok...).  Then, there was another fire at a different plant (seriously?  Are you guys Russian and having "cigarette incidents"?).  Then there was some other plant issue elsewhere...oh, and not to forget the "switch" between Summer blend and Winter blend gas price increase.

Lately here, it seems like the price of gas gets below $3/gal, then jumps 40-50 cents, and slowly declines again...but I never hear a corresponding reason/excuse.  

I could also rant about our local "E88" blend - cheaper, but the mileage sucks bad, so you have to buy it more often, off-setting the "cheapness". 

This has been a thing in California for decades.  Every price spike corresponds to a refinery shutting down production for maintenance, hence a crunch on supply.

[katt_goddess]

16 hours ago, smiradenius said:

So, you're okay with a trucker having to pay five hundred dollars more to run a truck on a job that barely pays him anything to begin with.  You're okay with the electric company doubling  your bill for the same number of kwh because the fuel to generate the power has doubled in costs.  Got it.  

 

 

That's called 'price gouging'. And the republicans voted to protect that.

Do keep up.

[smiradenius]

18 hours ago, [classic swim] said:

So you’re okay with that trucker having to spend 500 dollars out of his own pocket during that haul to Arkansas as you are with the electric company doubling your bill for the same number of kwh.

What do you call it when the broker scrapes a sample of the metal onto a stone like pad and then swabs the pad with a chemical that changes color according to the type of metal it is?

Are you ready to claim, right here and now, that pawn brokers don't use the acid test?

[smiradenius]

2 hours ago, katt_goddess said:

That's called 'price gouging'. And the republicans voted to protect that.

Do keep up.

Incorrect.  

[smiradenius]

14 hours ago, André Toulon said:

Quality link from the economic mastermind who gave you other hits like "I buy illegal smokes but it doesn't mean I'm a criminal"

The link works fine for me.  What are you doing differently?

[André Toulon]

3 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

The link works fine for me.  What are you doing differently?

From you? Just about everything.....and had you read your own link, you would know that's at the bottom of the page, I just cropped it to make a joke because you're a clown. 

[smiradenius]

1 minute ago, André Toulon said:

From you? Just about everything.....and had you read your own link, you would know that's at the bottom of the page, I just cropped it to make a joke because you're a clown. 

That doesn't change what the rest of it says.  I read the article and skip the ads and whatever irrelevant crap they stick on the tail.

[André Toulon]

1 minute ago, smiradenius said:

 I read the article

Lies, and I guess you still can't tell when you're being the butt of a joke.

That why this is so addicting...you just refuse to learn and keep setting yourself up to fail

[smiradenius]

16 hours ago, naraku360 said:

 

It's only gouging when the price hike has no basis or reasoning behind it.

If it's costing you a dollar to make a sandwich that you're selling for a dollar fifty, you wouldn't be gouging anybody when your meat and bread are suddenly costing you fifty cents more and you raise the price of a sandwich to two dollars.

 

Every single thing that is sold or ever has been sold works the very same way and yes, that includes oil and gasoline. 

[smiradenius]

1 minute ago, André Toulon said:

Lies, and I guess you still can't tell when you're being the butt of a joke.

That why this is so addicting...you just refuse to learn and keep setting yourself up to fail

I also said I skip whatever irrelevant crap is tied to the tail.  Yes, that includes advertising such as, "You might also like".  Furthermore, I do in fact know when to stop reading, such at the closure of an article.

[smiradenius]

2 hours ago, katt_goddess said:

That's called 'price gouging'. And the republicans voted to protect that.

Do keep up.

Let me see the Cspan videos of all those horrible Republicans in the middle of a Democrat controlled Congress voting to allow price gouging.

Edited December 9 by smiradenius

[naraku360]

4 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

It's only gouging when the price hike has no basis or reasoning behind it.

[André Toulon]

7 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

I also said I skip whatever irrelevant crap is tied to the tail.  Yes, that includes advertising such as, "You might also like".  Furthermore, I do in fact know when to stop reading, such at the closure of an article.

Look, I'm going to hold your hand here. This is how you know when someone is fucking with you for their own amusement because you never learn.

I made fun of your source, I then told you that I'm making fun of your source, and that I edited it just to fuck with you...Most people would just ignore me after that because I'm obviously being disingenuous, and purposely disruptive but instead you just keep arguing with a dude that's laughing his ass off at you that you can't help yourself to stop being trolled....I see there are 2 new replies waiting now....if either of them are to me, it's just adding to my lulz. 

 

Edited December 9 by André Toulon

[André Toulon]

11 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

It's only tax evasion when the tax has no effect on stuff I like.

 

That you, that's how you sound

[smiradenius]

19 minutes ago, André Toulon said:

That you, that's how you sound

It's only tax evasion when the tax is applied equally to all people at all times, instead of deliberately singling out and targeting one specific group of people. 

 

Think of New Jersey's sales tax, for example.  Supposedly, the tax is "state wide" while the reality is that the state is now peppered with UEZ.  Every business in a UEZ only collects half of the state's sales tax.  What is now happening is that one appliance store in a UEZ is always making three to four times more sales than another appliance store which is just five blocks outside the UEZ.  The one outside may have to close soon.

So, would it be tax evasion if the outsider figured out how to level that playing field, even illegally?

It all comes down to a government that cherry picks its favorites from those they deem to be in disfavor and thus giving an unfair advantage to a selected group. 

Is that how government and taxation are supposed to work? 

The tobacco tax on the other hand is nothing but a big money grab that benefits nobody and exists ONLY because smokers are an unpopular minority that nobody wants to defend. 

[Sieg67]

39 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

Let me see the Cspan videos of all those horrible Republicans in the middle of a Democrat controlled Congress voting to allow price gouging.

4 Democrats voted against the bill.  Sound bad?  Every single Republican also voted against the bill.
But yeah, let's pin it all on the Democrats.  It's not like the bill could have passed if there were ANY support from Republicans.

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/19/every--and-4-democrats--vote-against-bill-to-stop-big-oils-price-gouging-on-gas/

[naraku360]

7 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

It's only tax evasion when the tax is applied equally to all people at all times, instead of deliberately singling out and targeting one specific group of people.

[smiradenius]

1 minute ago, Sieg67 said:

4 Democrats voted against the bill.  Sound bad?  Every single Republican also voted against the bill.
But yeah, let's pin it all on the Democrats.  It's not like the bill could have passed if there were ANY support from Republicans.

https://www.salon.com/2022/05/19/every--and-4-democrats--vote-against-bill-to-stop-big-oils-price-gouging-on-gas/

Let's have that video now.

[André Toulon]

8 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

It's only tax evasion when the tax is applied equally to all people at all times, instead of deliberately singling out and targeting one specific group of people. 

 

Think of New Jersey's sales tax, for example.  Supposedly, the tax is "state wide" while the reality is that the state is now peppered with UEZ.  Every business in a UEZ only collects half of the state's sales tax.  What is now happening is that one appliance store in a UEZ is always making three to four times more sales than another appliance store which is just five blocks outside the UEZ.  The one outside may have to close soon.

So, would it be tax evasion if the outsider figured out how to level that playing field, even illegally?

It all comes down to a government that cherry picks its favorites from those they deem to be in disfavor and thus giving an unfair advantage to a selected group. 

Is that how government and taxation are supposed to work? 

The tobacco tax on the other hand is nothing but a big money grab that benefits nobody and exists ONLY because smokers are an unpopular minority that nobody wants to defend. 

You actually said these words about a government cherry picking to a Japanese/American unpopular  minority....I think I may be just a little more persecuted than you are for cigarettes being above your pay grade.

But that aside....what part of you breaking the law because you don't like it negates the law. Do you feel like some sort of revolutionary, or hero. Nah, TarFinger... You're just a criminal.

Edited December 9 by André Toulon

[smiradenius]

1 minute ago, André Toulon said:

You actually said these words about a government cherry picking to Japanese/American minority....I think I may be just a little more persecuted than you are for cigarettes being above your pay grade.

But that aside....what part of you breaking the law because you don't like it negates the law. Do you feel like some sort of revolutionary, or hero. Nah, TarFinger... You're just a criminal.

Is everybody who has ever patronized a speakeasy a criminal?

 

Did you see how prohibition has actually been overthrown?

[naraku360]

11 minutes ago, smiradenius said:

The tobacco tax on the other hand is nothing but a big money grab that benefits nobody and exists ONLY because smokers are an unpopular minority that nobody wants to defend. 

 

[katt_goddess]

Just now, smiradenius said:

Let's have that video now.

You don't need that. You can look up the voting on H.R. 7688, the Consumer Fuel Price Gouging Prevention Act, yourself since you won't believe anything anyone actually links to you. Plus at this point someone is going to link you to an elephant taking a dump on someone anyway.  

Republicans voted against it because they see nothing wrong with higher prices.