2022 Midterms: Oh god, not again

[SwimModSponges]

2 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Are you still falling asleep in your computer chair while your wife films you? Or have you been able to properly achieve the crossed legs sitting up thing?

Falling asleep in my computer chair while my wife films me and laughs means I had a good day.

2 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Oh, I know… you “kinda” did it the right way… just you still signed in all the time.

If you're talking about logging in and being hidden, yeah I had no desire to do that.

I wanted everyone to know I was there the whole time.

Watching them.

It gave me months of intense sexual pleasure.

We wanna go back to talkin' 'bout democracy now?

[Sawdy]

Just now, SwimModSponges said:

Falling asleep in my computer chair while my wife films me and laughs means I had a good day.

If you're talking about logging in and being hidden, yeah I had no desire to do that.

I wanted everyone to know I was there the whole time.

Watching them.

It gave me months of intense sexual pleasure.

We wanna go back to talkin' 'bout democracy now?

When was any of this about democracy?

[SwimModSponges]

[Raptorpat]

ANYWAYS

Not technically a real 2022 cycle election, but entirely possible that Sarah Palin is so unpopular that the Dem candidate wins the ranked choice special election to finish Don Young's term in Alaska.

 

[naraku360]

23 minutes ago, Raptorpat said:

ANYWAYS

Not technically a real 2022 cycle election, but entirely possible that Sarah Palin is so unpopular that the Dem candidate wins the ranked choice special election to finish Don Young's term in Alaska.

 

Sarah Failin

[katt_goddess]

3 hours ago, André Toulon said:

Why do you visit all of these right wing "news" sources 

Probably for the same reason I used to look forward to trying to catch 'The 700 Club' during the month of October when they would lose their minds over all the 'satanic' activity. 

Everyone needs a horrible hobby that they acknowledge as horrible. Mine at that time was yelling fact checks at an old grifter on the tv. 

Sponge's seems to be finding and posting the 1984 wannabe newspeak tabloids. 

I still prefer Bat Boy news.

[katt_goddess]

2 hours ago, Raptorpat said:

ANYWAYS

Not technically a real 2022 cycle election, but entirely possible that Sarah Palin is so unpopular that the Dem candidate wins the ranked choice special election to finish Don Young's term in Alaska.

 

I will forever be curious about Write-ins.

Not that there aren't legit ones out there that have their supporters but just didn't have the money or the time to specifically get on the ballot in time. 

I just want to see how many Muppets or Rick Astleys get on there. 

 

[SwimModSponges]

The republican party just needs to find the final 3 laptops before they can summon the spirit dragon.

[Seight]

2 hours ago, SwimModSponges said:

The republican party just needs to find the final 3 laptops before they can summon the spirit dragon.

This but with multiple MacBooks:

[Seight]

See if you can guess the exact point I both laughed and thought "Oh my god, is he allowed to say that?!?"

[Master-Debater131]

Couple of new polls out in the last two days which are interesting and worth flagging.

First, in AZ where Trafalger has Lake up by 1. Thats a surprise to me because she is such a freaking horrible candidate. Arizona is pretty purple still, but man would this be a shock.  Not a lot of polling in this one yet so the RCP average still has Hobbs up 1.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/governor/az/arizona_governor_lake_vs_hobbs-7842.html

This flies in the face of the Senate race where Kelly has a very comfortable lead in his race.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/az/arizona-senate-masters-vs-kelly-7390.html

I dont expect vote splitting here (or anywhere really), and Im more willing to believe that Dems sweep AZ than some crazy split where they vote for Kelly but then split and vote for the wacko Lake. That would be a truly crazy result.

 

The other one is in GA where two polls have now shown Walker in the lead.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2022/senate/ga/georgia-senate-walker-vs-warnock-7329.html

This one is less of a surprise to me.  I continue to believe that Walker will win thanks to the down-ballot effect that Kemp will have on him. Kemp is a strong candidate and is going to win reelection and will drag a much weaker Walker over the finish line with him. The RCP average still has Warnock up, but the polls have shown some clear movement toward Walker recently.

 

I also dont see any reason to change my predictions overall either. I still think the GOP win the house, although not with huge margins anymore, and the Dems hold the Senate.

[Raptorpat]

On 8/28/2022 at 1:59 PM, Raptorpat said:

ANYWAYS

Not technically a real 2022 cycle election, but entirely possible that Sarah Palin is so unpopular that the Dem candidate wins the ranked choice special election to finish Don Young's term in Alaska.

 

 

[Sawdy]

[1pooh4u]

Georgia shouldn’t be allowed to pick national representatives and Senators anymore. Not if they vote in Hershel Walker a lying PoS suffering from CTE that thinks there are “plenty of trees lying around”

you don’t get to elect and likely re-elect MTG to congress and then someone like Walker to the Senate and expect to be taken seriously by the rest of the country. I’m sorry. I got people I love  in GA but they shouldn’t be allowed to send people to the Capitol anymore. 
#unpopularopinions 

[1pooh4u]

I’m doubling down now. Any State that votes in clownish ridiculous candidates to both houses in DC should not be allowed to appoint reps that an entire country is going to suffer behind. 
 

any rep in either house that makes ridiculous statements on rape, abortion, policing should be kicked tf out for being too stupid to serve. 

[Raptorpat]

Tom Cotton complaining about ranked choice voting on Twitter.

That's how you know it works.

[1pooh4u]

Ranked Choice Voting, it’s the SATs all over again!

                                Sarah Palin 

[Seight]

9 hours ago, 1pooh4u said:

I’m doubling down now. Any State that votes in clownish ridiculous candidates to both houses in DC should not be allowed to appoint reps that an entire country is going to suffer behind. 
 

any rep in either house that makes ridiculous statements on rape, abortion, policing should be kicked tf out for being too stupid to serve. 

Let me just say this as someone who lives in...one of the states you're probably describing:

[Master-Debater131]

For a speech where he was trying to paint anyone who opposes him as fascist, he sure picked an odd backdrop. Like, you are projecting an image that draws a direct line back to some of the darkest times in human history while demonizing anyone who doesnt support you.

Im no fan of the MAGA-Cult, but this wasnt great either.  Whoever decided that this was the look that he needed for this speech should be fired.

 

[Master-Debater131]

 

[Sawdy]

19 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

For a speech where he was trying to paint anyone who opposes him as fascist, he sure picked an odd backdrop. Like, you are projecting an image that draws a direct line back to some of the darkest times in human history while demonizing anyone who doesnt support you.

Im no fan of the MAGA-Cult, but this wasnt great either.  Whoever decided that this was the look that he needed for this speech should be fired.

 

Cool, aesthetically you didn’t like it… what about the speech itself?

[Master-Debater131]

15 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Cool, aesthetically you didn’t like it… what about the speech itself?

Plenty of Palpatine "I am the Senate" vibes.

 

For a prime-time address it was pretty disgusting actually.  This was a campaign rally, not an address to the nation.  He used the military as a prop (something we were told was completely unacceptable under Trump), attacked anyone who didnt agree with him, and did his absolute best to demonize huge chunks of the population. This wasnt a unifying speech by a man who pledged during the campaign to unify the country, it was divisive as hell.

He completely lowered himself to Trumps level in this speech. The only thing missing is a shitty tweet and his transformation into Trump is complete.

[Sawdy]

4 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Plenty of Palpatine "I am the Senate" vibes.

 

For a prime-time address it was pretty disgusting actually.  This was a campaign rally, not an address to the nation.  He used the military as a prop (something we were told was completely unacceptable under Trump), attacked anyone who didnt agree with him, and did his absolute best to demonize huge chunks of the population. This wasnt a unifying speech by a man who pledged during the campaign to unify the country, it was divisive as hell.

He completely lowered himself to Trumps level in this speech. The only thing missing is a shitty tweet and his transformation into Trump is complete.

Haven’t the Dems been accused time and time again of not going on the offensive? I mean, I get this is rhetoric, with no real plan of how they combat this extreme nationalism… but…. It’s something

[NewBluntsworth]

8 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Plenty of Palpatine "I am the Senate" vibes.

 

For a prime-time address it was pretty disgusting actually.  This was a campaign rally, not an address to the nation.  He used the military as a prop (something we were told was completely unacceptable under Trump), attacked anyone who didnt agree with him, and did his absolute best to demonize huge chunks of the population. This wasnt a unifying speech by a man who pledged during the campaign to unify the country, it was divisive as hell.

He completely lowered himself to Trumps level in this speech. The only thing missing is a shitty tweet and his transformation into Trump is complete.

Blue maga upon reading this 

[NewBluntsworth]

5 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Haven’t the Dems been accused time and time again of not crying about Trump?

...No?? That's pretty much all they've done for the last eight years. 

 

5 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

I mean, I get this is rhetoric, with no real plan of how they combat this extreme nationalism… but…. It’s something

"This is nothing, but it's something"

No it isn't.

This is a completely kayfabe pro wrestling promo, merely entertainment for people like you. 

Edited September 2, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[SwimModSponges]

37 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Haven’t the Dems been accused time and time again of not going on the offensive? I mean, I get this is rhetoric, with no real plan of how they combat this extreme nationalism… but…. It’s something

See how much outrage came from a speech saying "hey, fascists are currently attempting to overthrow democracy?"

Imagine if he said anything of substance. 

(She's looking for an excuse to vote trump again. They all are, and they all will.)

[Master-Debater131]

21 minutes ago, Sawdy said:

Haven’t the Dems been accused time and time again of not going on the offensive? I mean, I get this is rhetoric, with no real plan of how they combat this extreme nationalism… but…. It’s something

Ive got no problem with politicians using a stump speech to go on the attack.

But that wasnt this.  This was a POTUS using his podium in a prime time address to go on a campaign speech. When Trump did stuff like this he was routinely blasted, and rightfully so.  The POTUS podium is separate from the Political Podium.

POTUS Podium should be treated with the respect it deserves. After Trump it was already disrespected, and all Biden did last night was continue to lower the bar.

[SwimModSponges]

Quote

all Biden did last night was continue to lower the bar.

Notice how she states that what Biden did was worse than Trump. 

[SwimModSponges]

[NewBluntsworth]

21 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said:

Imagine if he said anything of substance. 

Lol 

[SwimModSponges]

Nabs, everyone agrees that Biden is milquetoast (except republicans who claim he's literally a satanic infanticider).

Thats not a gotcha.

You shouldn't feel good about making that post.

[naraku360]

 

1 hour ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Plenty of Palpatine "I am the Senate" vibes.

 

For a prime-time address it was pretty disgusting actually.  This was a campaign rally, not an address to the nation.  He used the military as a prop (something we were told was completely unacceptable under Trump), attacked anyone who didnt agree with him, and did his absolute best to demonize huge chunks of the population. This wasnt a unifying speech by a man who pledged during the campaign to unify the country, it was divisive as hell.

He completely lowered himself to Trumps level in this speech. The only thing missing is a shitty tweet and his transformation into Trump is complete.

Gave dubious speech = stealing nuclear documents and attempting a coup....?

Come on, MD. You know that's  a silly comparison.

Edited September 2, 2022 by naraku360

[NewBluntsworth]

1 hour ago, SwimModSponges said:

Nabs, everyone agrees that Biden is milquetoast (except republicans who claim he's literally a satanic infanticider).

Thats not a gotcha.

You shouldn't feel good about making that post.

It's not about the addled almost-octegenarian currently occupying the interchangeable role of standard bearer for your right-wing warmongering imperialist political party being "milquetoast," I'm laughing at the idea of *any* neolib Dem mascot saying anything of substance on this subject, ever. 

I mean the guy is currently touting what a great institution American police forces are, he is literally making the rounds demanding publicly for there to be many more cops hired and armed and trained and for them to get more money and weapons and power and attention and respect and for him and his party and their voters (ie you) to get the credit for that happening.  

In the country that already locks up 25% of the world's prisoners. 

Your party is trash and its endless series of "failures" to ever be anything other than what it actually is does more to usher in fascism than any other force in America. Thinking you're doing something by reading the news and then leaving the house once every 2-4 years to vote for your party which is captured by the *exact same interests* as the more openly white supremacist party you fret about. 

How are you going to fight fascism with fascism, that's ridiculous. I mean I could almost see if it was some form of internationalist eco-fascism emanating from the global south putting the clamps to capitalism and the American empire, but really, in this moment you're going with the Democratic party? 

The one that can't stop talking about how much it loves America's police and military and all the spooks and spy agencies doing demons work, and about how above all else we must preserve the legitimacy of our transparently broken and undemocratic national legislature and our fake justice system that just made abortion a crime? Really? That's what you're going with, while Joe Biden and the Dems tell you to vote for them so that we can Refund the Police?

Idk what to say except maybe in the not so distant future it may dimly occur to you that you may, in fact, bear some responsibility for the terrifying state of the world around you, because of who and what you supported and, yes, voted for, and when. And who and what you didn't support. 

Edited September 2, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[Master-Debater131]

9 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

 

Gave dubious speech = stealing nuclear documents and attempting a coup....?

Come on, MD. You know that's  a silly comparison.

Ive said, and will continue to say, that what Trump pulled was horrible.

But you cannot look at what Biden did last night and think that was OK.  It was a purely Trumpian performance straight out of the demagogues playbook. For a speech supposedly warning about the creeping fascism of MAGA it was full of its own fascist overtones. It was completely unbecoming of the office of POTUS, and when Trump pulled crap like this you, and everyone else on these boards, were losing your minds.  And you know it.

[NewBluntsworth]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

Ive said, and will continue to say, that what Trump pulled was horrible.

But you cannot look at what Biden did last night and think that was OK.  It was a purely Trumpian performance straight out of the demagogues playbook. For a speech supposedly warning about the creeping fascism of MAGA it was full of its own fascist overtones. It was completely unbecoming of the office of POTUS, and when Trump pulled crap like this you, and everyone else on these boards, were losing your minds.  And you know it.

This is how the Overton window works in the minds of Democrats. As long as the Republicans exist and keep doing sexy new things and opening up new frontiers in being terrible, ie

19 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

stealing nuclear documents and attempting a coup....?

 

Then the Dems are free to be as bad as they wanna be in the vast spaces cleared out by the dominant political party. Whatever new wild and crazy shit they wanna say or do with the police and the military and whatever will be excused away and normalized by Dem supporters, ie

20 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Gave dubious speech

 

Just so long as the Dems don't ever overstep their beta bimdoe bounds by utilizing any new tactic (regardless of reward or advantage) like, say, abolishing the filibuster or packing the court, adding Senate seats, etc, any of that would be radical and disrespectful to the institutions and norms and processes which never deliver anything good for anyone except for the elite interests of the climate change-inducing jetset, they're pretty happy with everything as is and wouldn't want anything to shake that up, or else some stray crumbs may fall out and down to us. 

[naraku360]

3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Ive said, and will continue to say, that what Trump pulled was horrible.

But you cannot look at what Biden did last night and think that was OK.  It was a purely Trumpian performance straight out of the demagogues playbook. For a speech supposedly warning about the creeping fascism of MAGA it was full of its own fascist overtones. It was completely unbecoming of the office of POTUS, and when Trump pulled crap like this you, and everyone else on these boards, were losing your minds.  And you know it.

I think at this point people are far more concerned with the lrgitimate crimes committed moreso than a speech.

I haven't heard the speech so I'm refraining from commenting on the contents specifically. I'm sure it's awful, it always is. My point is that the difference in danger of Trump should not be undercut over a speech.

To be 100% clear, I think every president since I was born (possibly earlier) should've been removed from office and charged with all kinds of crimes. Biden is no savior and people don't rally behind him with the cultish fervor of the MAGA chuds. People aren't going to mindlessly fall in line with Biden. Most Americans want him to fuck off and stay out of the next election. A fascist base has to be formed through energized extremism. Yes, Biden is an extremist in the same sense that being a milquetoast corporate politician in America is an extremist role. A call to invade the capital by this brain wormed, senile old fart isn't going to excite people enough to take up arms. Democrat voters simply aren't as extreme as the politicians, MAGA voters are.

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, NewBluntsworth said:

16 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Ive said, and will continue to say, that what Trump pulled was horrible.

But you cannot look at what Biden did last night and think that was OK.  It was a purely Trumpian performance straight out of the demagogues playbook. For a speech supposedly warning about the creeping fascism of MAGA it was full of its own fascist overtones. It was completely unbecoming of the office of POTUS, and when Trump pulled crap like this you, and everyone else on these boards, were losing your minds.  And you know it.

This is how the Overton window works in the minds of Democrats. As long as the Republicans exist and keep doing sexy new things and opening up new frontiers in being terrible, ie

34 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

stealing nuclear documents and attempting a coup....?

 

Then the Dems are free to be as bad as they wanna be in the vast spaces cleared out by the dominant political party. Whatever new wild and crazy shit they wanna say or do with the police and the military and whatever will be excused away and normalized by Dem supporters, ie

....what?

Quit putting words in my mouth, dude. I've been very civil with you for how many months? Almost 2 years?

How about you quit assuming my positions?

[SwimModSponges]

[naraku360]

7 minutes ago, NewBluntsworth said:

Just so long as the Dems don't ever overstep their beta bimdoe bounds by utilizing any new tactic (regardless of reward or advantage) like, say, abolishing the filibuster or packing the court, adding Senate seats, etc, any of that would be radical and disrespectful to the institutions and norms and processes which never deliver anything good for anyone except for the elite interests of the climate change-inducing jetset, they're pretty happy with everything as is and wouldn't want anything to shake that up, or else some stray crumbs may fall out and down to us. 

Do you really, truly think I support their unwillingness to take legitimate action as you've outlined?

.....really? Are you sure about that?

[NewBluntsworth]

1 minute ago, naraku360 said:

Do you really, truly think I support their unwillingness to take legitimate action as you've outlined?

.....really? Are you sure about that?

You vote for them. I'm not sure what further support you seem to mistakenly think they need from you. 

[NewBluntsworth]

5 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

....what?

Quit putting words in my mouth, dude. I've been very civil with you for how many months? Almost 2 years?

How about you quit assuming my positions?

I didn't put words in your mouth or assume your position, I gave commentary on what I saw in your post. 

Trump does something - omg how wild

Biden does it next - hm sounds dubious, idk idc I didn't bother looking into what the president said or did when he took over network TV for a national address last night because did you hear what TRUMP did recently??

[naraku360]

Just now, NewBluntsworth said:

I didn't put words in your mouth or assume your position, I gave commentary on what I saw in your post. 

Trump does something - omg how wild

Biden does it next - hm sounds dubious, idk idc I didn't bother looking into what the president said or did when he took over network TV for a national address last night because did you hear what TRUMP did recently??

No, I literally don't care about Trump's fucking speeches either because there are more serious issues.

The entire ordeal was flipped over 2 years ago. There was a coup attempt with a massive chunk of the GOP actively participating. At no point have I suggested the speech was good or shouldn't be taken seriously. Having not watched it at present is not an insinuation of a disinterest on the subject nor to suggest, on any level, that I will not listen to the speech. You put those words in my mouth.

[discolé monade]

34 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Ive said, and will continue to say, that what Trump pulled was horrible.

But you cannot look at what Biden did last night and think that was OK.  It was a purely Trumpian performance straight out of the demagogues playbook. For a speech supposedly warning about the creeping fascism of MAGA it was full of its own fascist overtones. It was completely unbecoming of the office of POTUS, and when Trump pulled crap like this you, and everyone else on these boards, were losing your minds.  And you know it.

'he said what he said' 

i mean he used the same 'talking points' in 2017, so why is it a shock now?

 

[naraku360]

You know what, Nabs? I'm very sorry for having a family crisis last night. I know, I should've paid attention to the real important shit like a shitty Biden speech.

You're right, I should've cared more about that than my mom and brother's living situation.

[Master-Debater131]

2 minutes ago, discolé monade said:

'he said what he said' 

i mean he used the same 'talking points' in 2017, so why is it a shock now?

 

The point Im trying to make is that it isnt necessarily what he said so much as the context of where, how,  and when he said it.

 

Candidate Biden - "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

Political Biden "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

POTUS Biden with Military members as a prop and using a prime time address - "MAGA is a threat!" - Not ok.

You arent supposed to use the platform of POTUS to demonize entire swaths of this country. Trump did that early on, I was told where it would end, I ignored it, and then we had January 6th.  Looking back there is a direct line between Trumps crap early on and January 6th. Now Biden is stepping on that same exact slippery slope and the people who freaked at Trump are treating it like its no big deal. After all the crap Trump pulled its a little crazy watching people turn a blind eye to Biden taking steps down that exact same path.

[NewBluntsworth]

12 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

You know what, Nabs? I'm very sorry for having a family crisis last night. I know, I should've paid attention to the real important shit like a shitty Biden speech.

You're right, I should've cared more about that than my mom and brother's living situation.

All I'm gonna say in response to your posts is that my commentary was on what I see from Democrats *generally* on every 1:1 Trump-Biden comparison, whether it's on policy or wrestling promo theatrics or whatever else.

Your post exemplified it pretty perfectly. It's like-- Biden puts more kids in cages, blue maga cries "but trump did family separation" or "Trump did it more racistly by fearmongering about caravans."

Someone says something about Biden being flanked by ominous goons and giving a fucked looking speech straight off WWE TV with The Fiend lighting talking about "the soul of the nation" making them uncomfortable and reminding them of the last President who everyone hated when he did something similar and immediately it's "ok but has he done a coup or stolen any nUcLeaR dOcUMenTs lately??!??!!!?!//!!??!?/"

I didn't even know he gave a speech last night until this morning man, I'm sorry your family is going through things, we're all dealing with our personal shit, don't like get upset over nothing. 

Edited September 2, 2022 by NewBluntsworth

[SwimModSponges]

3 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Biden is worse than Trump and is destroying the country by acknowledging that there is an ongoing coup. 

 

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

The point Im trying to make is that it isnt necessarily what he said so much as the context of where, how,  and when he said it.

 

Candidate Biden - "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

Political Biden "MAGA is a threat!" - totally OK

POTUS Biden with Military members as a prop and using a prime time address - "MAGA is a threat!" - Not ok.

You arent supposed to use the platform of POTUS to demonize entire swaths of this country. Trump did that early on, I was told where it would end, I ignored it, and then we had January 6th.  Looking back there is a direct line between Trumps crap early on and January 6th. Now Biden is stepping on that same exact slippery slope and the people who freaked at Trump are treating it like its no big deal. After all the crap Trump pulled its a little crazy watching people turn a blind eye to Biden taking steps down that exact same path.

But that's not what people are saying?

If you're only comparing speech to speech, have at it.

If it's the speech vs Trump in totality, which I thought was the point (my apologies if that was off base), that's where I'm like, "For real?"

[SwimModSponges]

[Master-Debater131]

Just now, naraku360 said:

But that's not what people are saying?

If you're only comparing speech to speech, have at it.

If it's the speech vs Trump in totality, which I thought was the point (my apologies if that was off base), that's where I'm like, "For real?"

Oh no, Im not comparing Speech to Trump in totality. Im comparing Biden speech to Trump speech and pointing out that what Biden did last night is the same crap that Trump did.

Biden has taken a firm step on the same path that Trump created. Is he as bad as Trump? No, not as of today.  But he sure took a step down that same slippery slope.