Junji Ito's 90's Horror Series Uzumaki getting animated, coming to Toonami

[Daos]

2 hours ago, ben0119 said:

https://bloody-disgusting.com/tv/3581544/trailer-toonami-adapting-junji-itos-uzumaki-four-episode-series-2020/

So, this thing is just going to be a 4 episode mini-series.  So I guess it's a short manga, or maybe these episodes will be longer than 30 minutes.  I don't know.  I can't imagine they would be cutting things with all the stuff being said about the director being an Ito fan and making this of utmost faithful adaptation.  Demarco was gushing over something he worked on being covered by Bloody Disgusting and didn't dispute anything written in the article, so I assume it's correct.

They also went to a shrine so they wouldn't be "cursed by the dark content of Uzumaki."  Could just be me, but Demarco looked he was being douchy when he was ringing the bell.  Oh, and the Uzumaki book he was holding has a color cover!

That's just his natural look. It's like commenting that a frog is looking froggy.

[naraku360]

4 hours ago, ben0119 said:

But how can we trust your interpretation of the story if you weren't in your right, sober mind?  That sounds like spoilers too.

Yeah, but I don't claim them to be masterpieces or anything, and I do voice criticisms on them.  At least I'm not like Demarco who said Naruto is one of the best shonens of all time and said the filler is no worse than the canon.  I mean, if he said it was one of the best shonens in ratings and sales, and the filler wasn't much shitter than the canon, he'd be right, lol.  Well, with that in mind, Demarco saying this is one of his favorite horror mangas is not a ringing endorsement lol.

The second thing you said is a spoiler.

It really isn't a spoiler to say a character has no personality or character development. Or do you think it's narratively important to the series that she basically forgets all the horror shit each arc? It isn't narratively important. It's just bad writing.

Edited September 2, 2019 by naraku360

[ben0119]

4 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

It really isn't a spoiler to say a character has no personality or character development. Or do you think it's narratively important to the series that she basically forgets all the horror shit each arc? It isn't narratively important. It's just bad writing.

That's a spoiler in terms of the story and the character.  A character and their development is a spoiler.  And especially say if a character has a big moral change or switches sides or something of that sort that's an even bigger spoiler if something like that is given away.  So yeah.

[naraku360]

2 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

That's a spoiler in terms of the story and the character.  A character and their development is a spoiler.  And especially say if a character has a big moral change or switches sides or something of that sort that's an even bigger spoiler if something like that is given away.  So yeah.

Well, this is stupid.

I haven't said much of anything beyond 'she doesn't change.' 🤨

Edited September 2, 2019 by naraku360

[ben0119]

3 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

Well, this is stupid.

I haven't said much of anything beyond 'she doesn't change.' 🤨

Which itself is a spoiler.

And whatever fancy font you are using for your emotes is not loading.

[naraku360]

11 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

Which itself is a spoiler.

And whatever fancy font you are using for your emotes is not loading.

This is the actual dumbest conversation I've ever had about what constitutes as a spoiler. She doesn't turn into a llama that shits rainbows. Oops, sorry, spoilers!

It was literally a default emoji from here. Maybe your computer sucks.

Edited September 2, 2019 by naraku360

[ben0119]

1 minute ago, naraku360 said:

This is the actual dumbest conversation I've ever had about what constitutes as a spoiler. She doesn't turn into a llama and shit rainbows. Oops, sorry, spoilers!

It was literally a default emoji from here. Maybe your computer sucks.

You literally said that the character acts like she doesn't remember stuff that happens and doesn't respond appropriately to the danger.  The way you describe sounds like shitty horror character 101.  ...Well, that doesn't sound as much like a spoiler when I put it like that, sounds like something someone would write in a review, but I still prefer to not know those sorts of things going in.  Same reason I don't read reviews about movies before I see them.  Besides giving away too much info, I don't always agree with them anyway, so it doesn't make sense to use them as a decider over whether to watch something.  So I end up reading an opinion that may not help me anyway, and not go in as cold as I wanted!

It does suck!  It's an old-ass, basic-ass computer, and I definitely need to get a new one, one of these days!  But it doesn't load on my phone, either.  But, that's old, too.  But at least I will be getting a new phone later this week and maybe I can see the emotes you used then!

[PenguinBoss]

9 hours ago, ben0119 said:

The issue isn't with critics, but casual viewers who might avoid the show due to it being black and white and cause it to be a money pit.  Schindler's List did well with critics and audiences.  We'll see what happens with Uzumaki.

I can pretty much guarantee they don't care about casual viewers on this. Like with FLCL, it's being made not because they expect it to bring in lots of viewership, but because they themselves want to see it.

If they cared about casual viewers, they'd just license more shonen drivel they can milk for years and not a niche horror title that came out 20 years ago.

[Jman]

26 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

I can pretty much guarantee they don't care about casual viewers on this. Like with FLCL, it's being made not because they expect it to bring in lots of viewership, but because they themselves want to see it.

If they cared about casual viewers, they'd just license more shonen drivel they can milk for years and not a niche horror title that came out 20 years ago.

People can get mainstream shounen stuff anywhere, uncensored and at a much faster rate than Toonami.  This is about what they want, yes, but it’s also about standing out.  And the only way to stand out when the other guys get it to your eyeballs faster and with no censorship, is to show stuff they won’t, for whatever reason.

[EmpressAngel]

12 hours ago, ben0119 said:

so it comes off as yet another baffling decision by Demarco

Where has anyone said the black and white was Demarco's decision? Like, is that officially said somewhere or are you just assuming it's the case?

[PokeNirvash]

Probably another "blame it on Demarco" meme.

[OwlChemist81]

13 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Black Clover was unfairly maligned!  People were talking like it was the worst shonen ever, but... it's not?  Hey, I was ready to sit there and make fun of it and rag on it as much as anyone.  I love to do that with shows.  It makes shows I don't like watchable.  But I ended up liking it.  People just didn't give it a chance and don't give it enough credit.

Yeah, and I believe Toonami was wrong not to give it more of a chance at 11:30 PM before banishing it to the mid-block.

I've heard some great things about what's to come in the early 90's...

[Ginguy]

Well, given the sparse confirmed details on the show, I would suspect it is going to be an Oct. 2020 month long show. It makes the most sense, so I would expect GENlock S2 and possibly some other pick-ups (Shield Hero?) to run spring/summer of 2020. I don't think we are going to get anything really big for the rest of this year, it seems like most of the budget got spent on the big shounen pick-ups.

We might see Blade Runner in January, that was announced a while back and has since gone dark, but as an original series I would guess they would want to try and maximize its return on investment.

 

Of course, it could be that we are all just witness to DeMarco's Weeb fantasies and none of our speculation based on sound business practices factor in at all.

 

[The1gairon]

4 hours ago, PenguinBoss said:

I can pretty much guarantee they don't care about casual viewers on this. Like with FLCL, it's being made not because they expect it to bring in lots of viewership, but because they themselves want to see it.

If they cared about casual viewers, they'd just license more shonen drivel they can milk for years and not a niche horror title that came out 20 years ago.

Imagine being the butt monkey of all streaming services/cable ratings, but also in a position where you can afford enough resources to make the exact anime YOU want.

[Jman]

9 hours ago, elfie said:

Imagine being the butt monkey of all streaming services/cable ratings, but also in a position where you can afford enough resources to make the exact anime YOU want.

Keep in mind a lot of this wasn’t possible until the restructuring let them have access to Business Daddy’s purse strings, presumably because it will be a joint Adult Swim/Crunchyroll production.  And if it doesn’t work, DeMarco probably won’t get to dictate the originals (which I’m sure many on UnevenEdge would approve of).

Just tell me which executive wants to green light Bean Bandit.

[ben0119]

On 9/2/2019 at 5:16 PM, PenguinBoss said:

I can pretty much guarantee they don't care about casual viewers on this. Like with FLCL, it's being made not because they expect it to bring in lots of viewership, but because they themselves want to see it.

If they cared about casual viewers, they'd just license more shonen drivel they can milk for years and not a niche horror title that came out 20 years ago.

Well that "shonen drivel" is what keeps the block running.  But it's still possible to have anchor shows, and some more experimental stuff on the side.  Think of Michiko & Hatchin and Megalobox.  It's been done.  But doing this show and then going as far as to do it in black and white because reasons, and they probably want to put it in a prominent position... it may end up seriously backfiring.

And we've all seen how productive their model of airing what they want to see has helped.  How much money and airtime has been wasted on Gundam and other Demarco fetishes?  Still think it's hilarious they spent the money on Origin just because Demarco is obsessed with Gundam, but then someone with actual business acumen made sure it was death-slotted so it wouldn't fuck up the rest of the block lmao.

[ben0119]

On 9/2/2019 at 7:01 PM, EmpressAngel said:

Where has anyone said the black and white was Demarco's decision? Like, is that officially said somewhere or are you just assuming it's the case?

Nowhere as far as I'm aware.  But in his tweet he said "before you ask, yes, it's all in black and white."  So definitely bragging about it and thinking it is "cool."  I can totally see him being involved in the decision or at least it being his idea.  Sounds like something goofy he would do.  If it's not on him, but the anime producers, or even the author, it's still stupid.  If anything, the art and visuals would be look nicer and be more scary in color, and they'll probably just have to make more epilepsy warnings because of the spirals and other stuff being in black and white on the screen messing with people's vision lmao.

[ben0119]

On 9/2/2019 at 8:53 PM, Ginguy said:

Well, given the sparse confirmed details on the show, I would suspect it is going to be an Oct. 2020 month long show. It makes the most sense, so I would expect GENlock S2 and possibly some other pick-ups (Shield Hero?) to run spring/summer of 2020. I don't think we are going to get anything really big for the rest of this year, it seems like most of the budget got spent on the big shounen pick-ups.

We might see Blade Runner in January, that was announced a while back and has since gone dark, but as an original series I would guess they would want to try and maximize its return on investment.

 

Of course, it could be that we are all just witness to DeMarco's Weeb fantasies and none of our speculation based on sound business practices factor in at all.

 

How much manga material is there?  You think those will just be regular 30 minute episodes, or longer?  And be careful of encouraging Al with your Halloween-themed suggestions. Though at least this time it might make some more sense!

You're forgetting about WHEELCHAIR STRICKEN KIRITO!

Not if Shield Hero was one of the FELL THROUGH shows.

But yeesh I hope all the budget wasn't blown already.

Is there even any indication that Gen:Lock is getting a second season?  Does the story even require it?

Oh I forgot about that.

Yeah I wouldn't put too much stock into Demarco thinking of this with any business sense lmao.

Edited September 7, 2019 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 9/3/2019 at 7:09 AM, Jman said:

Keep in mind a lot of this wasn’t possible until the restructuring let them have access to Business Daddy’s purse strings, presumably because it will be a joint Adult Swim/Crunchyroll production.  And if it doesn’t work, DeMarco probably won’t get to dictate the originals (which I’m sure many on UnevenEdge would approve of).

Just tell me which executive wants to green light Bean Bandit.

I don't know how Demarco is dictating anything anymore with how his fetish picks keep bombing.

[Jman]

21 minutes ago, ben0119 said:

How much manga material is there?  You think those will just be regular 30 minute episodes, or longer?  And be careful of encouraging Al with your Halloween-themed suggestions. Though at least this time it might make some more sense!

You're forgetting about WHEELCHAIR STRICKEN KIRITO!

Not if Shield Hero was one of the FELL THROUGH shows.

But yeesh I hope all the budget wasn't blown already.

Is there even any indication that Gen:Lock is getting a second season?  Does the story even require it?

Oh I forgot about that.

Yeah I wouldn't put too much stock into Demarco thinking of this with any business sense lmao.

Crunchyroll bankrolled Shield Hero as part of the production committee.  If they wanted to air it, they could.  Of course, that’s a big if.

[scope]

I thought we'd all learned that Junji Ito's style of writing doesn't transition to anime well, I guess Toonami didn't get the memo, but then again they didn't realize the original FLCL was perfect where it stood either.

Probably gonna pass on this one unless I somehow hear overwhelmingly positive things about it.

[PenguinBoss]

2 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Well that "shonen drivel" is what keeps the block running.  But it's still possible to have anchor shows, and some more experimental stuff on the side.  Think of Michiko & Hatchin and Megalobox.  It's been done.  But doing this show and then going as far as to do it in black and white because reasons, and they probably want to put it in a prominent position... it may end up seriously backfiring.

And we've all seen how productive their model of airing what they want to see has helped.  How much money and airtime has been wasted on Gundam and other Demarco fetishes?  Still think it's hilarious they spent the money on Origin just because Demarco is obsessed with Gundam, but then someone with actual business acumen made sure it was death-slotted so it wouldn't fuck up the rest of the block lmao.

Seriously backfiring? Like reruns get pushed back half an hour for a month so people stop watching the block altogether, even after it airs? I know the shows on Toonami are pre-dominantly aimed towards children, but that's some next level fit throwing.

[The1gairon]

8 hours ago, scope said:

I thought we'd all learned that Junji Ito's style of writing doesn't transition to anime well, I guess Toonami didn't get the memo, but then again they didn't realize the original FLCL was perfect where it stood either.

Probably gonna pass on this one unless I somehow hear overwhelmingly positive things about it.

They're intentionally going after ideas that are either too hard or what people say is impossible to adapt into an anime so there's little competition for them.

[OwlChemist81]

13 hours ago, ben0119 said:

And we've all seen how productive their model of airing what they want to see has helped.  How much money and airtime has been wasted on Gundam and other Demarco fetishes?  Still think it's hilarious they spent the money on Origin just because Demarco is obsessed with Gundam, but then someone with actual business acumen made sure it was death-slotted so it wouldn't fuck up the rest of the block lmao.

Seriously!? You mean THAT Gundam show which is tying with and/or beating shows at 12:30 and 1 AM in the ratings at 3 AM?

I think it's lack of acumen that got it premiering there, not the other way around. It is true that IBO S2 really didn't perform well at 12:30 though. Then again, 2018 was a downfall in the ratings in general. So far 2019 seems to be mostly steady with if not slightly better than the end of 2018.

Uzumaki next October makes sense!

Edited September 7, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

Your reminder that Gundam is getting a live action movie while gen:Lock will probably not get a season 2.

[OwlChemist81]

9 minutes ago, Jman said:

Your reminder that Gundam is getting a live action movie while gen:Lock will probably not get a season 2.

I believe Rooster Teeth WANTS it to have a Season 2. I mean, why else would they refer to this YouTube video specifically as the "Season 1 Intro?"

As for Gundam, it would be amazing if as a continuation of the 40th Anniversary celebration of which the TV version of Origin is a part, they announced a remake of the original Mobile Suit Gundam beginning this fall! But since Origin seems to have ended in Japan without such an announcement, I'd say it's not very likely.

Edited September 7, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

NYCC is next month.  Maybe we’ll hear something then.

 

[scope]

13 hours ago, elfie said:

They're intentionally going after ideas that are either too hard or what people say is impossible to adapt into an anime so there's little competition for them.

I understand that's their approach, but they show a lack of sense in their choices, Ito being adapted isn't anything new, we just had one in winter 2018 and it was horrible. The problem is that his style is firmly rooted in manga, go look at his work or an artist like Inio Asano and try to tell me it should be adapted to anime, sometimes things are better off left in their original medium.

[PokeNirvash]

On 9/8/2019 at 12:41 AM, scope said:

The problem is that his style is firmly rooted in manga, go look at his work or an artist like Inio Asano and try to tell me it should be adapted to anime, sometimes things are better off left in their original medium.

Hence why it's airing in black and white.

[ben0119]

On 9/7/2019 at 3:22 AM, PenguinBoss said:

Seriously backfiring? Like reruns get pushed back half an hour for a month so people stop watching the block altogether, even after it airs? I know the shows on Toonami are pre-dominantly aimed towards children, but that's some next level fit throwing.

I don't know what reruns you're talking about, or what you're trying to say with that.  But if viewers really balk at a show running at the front or in the middle of the block, which has happened at times, it can end up fucking over the rest of the shows that air after it.  During particularly disastrous, baffling moves, like airing Attack on Titan reruns at the beginning of the block, that, along, with previous bonehead programming decisions leading up to it, ended up getting the block chopped in half.  And who knows how much money they are spending on Uzumaki that could potentially be put to better use elsewhere.  It better be good.

[ben0119]

On 9/7/2019 at 11:41 PM, scope said:

I understand that's their approach, but they show a lack of sense in their choices, Ito being adapted isn't anything new, we just had one in winter 2018 and it was horrible. The problem is that his style is firmly rooted in manga, go look at his work or an artist like Inio Asano and try to tell me it should be adapted to anime, sometimes things are better off left in their original medium.

We've long since stopped expecting great sense from the Toonami crew.  ASA makes Toonami seem like geniuses, but that's not saying much.  Demarco and co. still do a lot of stupid shit.  I'm not super familiar with Ito, and I didn't see that other Ito anime, but, if what you say is true, then that throws more doubt into this series' success. I guess we'll have to wait and see.  I really wouldn't put it past Demarco do yet another thing that doesn't make sense.  Nice Balsa avatar, by the way.

[ben0119]

On 9/7/2019 at 1:28 AM, Jman said:

Crunchyroll bankrolled Shield Hero as part of the production committee.  If they wanted to air it, they could.  Of course, that’s a big if.

Huh.  Interesting.  So that can't be one of the shows that fell through, then.  You think the show is probably highly requested, right?  But do we know what Demarco and co. think of it?

[ben0119]

On 9/9/2019 at 6:32 PM, PokeNirvash said:

Hence why it's airing in black and white.

AND SO THE QUESTION HAS BEEN ANSWERED!

[ben0119]

On 9/7/2019 at 2:40 PM, OwlChemist81 said:

Seriously!? You mean THAT Gundam show which is tying with and/or beating shows at 12:30 and 1 AM in the ratings at 3 AM?

I think it's lack of acumen that got it premiering there, not the other way around. It is true that IBO S2 really didn't perform well at 12:30 though. Then again, 2018 was a downfall in the ratings in general. So far 2019 seems to be mostly steady with if not slightly better than the end of 2018.

Uzumaki next October makes sense!

I think Demarco and co. like Gundam more than it's an actual viable property.  Can't say I have paid too close attention to ratings in a while, but if it is doing that well, that surprises me.

Well IBO S2 was crap, so that probably didn't help.

I suppose you're right, especially if it's only 4 episodes.

On 9/7/2019 at 3:20 PM, Jman said:

Your reminder that Gundam is getting a live action movie while gen:Lock will probably not get a season 2.

I thought Gundam peaked with Wing and G and the other stuff on Toonami, back then, then crashed, then the Sunrise embargo which did not help things.  I remember back in the early days when it first came over, Toyfare was doing lots of features on the action figures and model kits.  In later years Gundam more or less evaporated here, is what I thought. But I mean, Hollywood makes movies of obscure stuff all the time.  Just because a Gundam movie is being made doesn't prove Gundam is still a big deal in the States.

And just personally speaking, I have not liked most of the shows.  I remember having the TV on Gundam Wing long enough to hear "deploy the mobile dolls!" and then switched it off.  There was one series with a cliche storyline about characters on opposite sides of the war falling in love.  I tried to watch the series that was on Syfy but couldn't stand more than a few minutes of it because it was so annoying.  I remember Amuro being an annoying crybaby in the original series, but Banagher was that on steroids, plus the storyline of Unicorn was just needlessly convoluted and dumb.  So far the only shows I have liked were G Gundam, and the first season of IBO.  IBO S2 shat the bed.  It doesn't get much more compelling than every character getting randomly gunned down by goons!  At least Origin seems pretty decent so far, probably because Amuro is barely in it.  And just the general things I don't like about Gundam - annoying and/or unlikable characters, ham-fisted overly preachy with its messages.  I never really liked the mobile suit designs that much, either.  It's a shame, since I like robots/mecha, and spaceships, sci-fi, space operas, etc, so I wish I liked Gundam more, but ehh, it's got so many things in it that just grate on my nerves.

[OwlChemist81]

IBO Season 2 was good until after the fight with the Mobile Armor. After that, it devolved into a straight-up Shakespearian tragedy. I would rather the main characters had met their end fighting legions of Mobile Armors than to turn on each other once again after the climax of fighting the Mobile Armor that saw them all united against a common enemy for what would be the last time.

Edited September 17, 2019 by OwlChemist81

[ben0119]

The Mobile Armor fight really made it seem like more would end up being released and they'd have to fight them, and it would be like what happened during that old war, with these legendary old monsters returning to wreak havoc on the world once again. Like I felt that was the beginning of something really awesome.  But, instead, that other stuff happened... and yeah.

[Daos]

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things in it that just grate on my nerves.

Or perhaps they... grind your gears?