That_One_Guy Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 (edited) And see what happens when you watch this. Edited June 8, 2018 by That_One_Guy 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I was going to post this video last week but got sidetracked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 now I can't remember the thread that I thought deserved this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted June 8, 2018 Share Posted June 8, 2018 I hate the way my mind works. It's gonna be weeks before I can hear "Diva" playing without automatically seeing images of that dude. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_One_Guy Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 14 hours ago, Derrick Foreal said: now I can't remember the thread that I thought deserved this Nothing deserves this lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_One_Guy Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 13 hours ago, SorceressPol said: I hate the way my mind works. It's gonna be weeks before I can hear "Diva" playing without automatically seeing images of that dude. I'm sorry........sorta 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vamped Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Oh .... god .... Im not sure how I feel right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That_One_Guy Posted June 9, 2018 Author Share Posted June 9, 2018 41 minutes ago, Vamped said: Oh .... god .... Im not sure how I feel right now We all know what you feel. We feel it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberbully Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 hour ago, That_One_Guy said: Nothing deserves this lol That dude is a legend....No telling how many chicks got their bills paid off this dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mix Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 37 minutes ago, cyberbully said: That dude is a legend....No telling how many chicks got their bills paid off this dude 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
discolé monade Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 oh my. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 supposedly some "scientist" "proved" that heterosexuality and Homosexuality are a myth because he hooked men up to an eye dilation sensor and determined that their eyes dilated when they looked at handsome men just the same way as when they looked at beautiful women ignoring the fact that human eyes dilate when we look at ANYTHING pretty or cute (including flowers and cute babies), and you can determine if something is nice looking regardless of your sexuality, despite what cultural norms teach you (I.e. you can tell when a person you don't wanna fuck is attractive) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Sexual orientation is a social construct. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mochi said: ignoring the fact that human eyes dilate when we look at ANYTHING pretty or cute (including flowers and cute babies), and you can determine if something is nice looking regardless of your sexuality, despite what cultural norms teach you (I.e. you can tell when a person you don't wanna fuck is attractive) That's tough. It is sometimes pretty easy to identify attractive males, but that just may be knowing what features in a male that females find attractive. On the other side, there have been many males that many females consider extremely attractive, and I'm like, "Really? ok..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quebecelegy Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, mochi said: supposedly some "scientist" "proved" that heterosexuality and Homosexuality are a myth because he hooked men up to an eye dilation sensor and determined that their eyes dilated when they looked at handsome men just the same way as when they looked at beautiful women ignoring the fact that human eyes dilate when we look at ANYTHING pretty or cute (including flowers and cute babies), and you can determine if something is nice looking regardless of your sexuality, despite what cultural norms teach you (I.e. you can tell when a person you don't wanna fuck is attractive) i am heterosexual, mochi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: Sexual orientation is a social construct. the same can be said of Gender and I agree on SOME level but not entirely because to say it's a social construct is a polite way of dismissing people's identities, you're essentially telling them that the way they feel and who they love is something they made up and that they could "Stop feeling that way if they wanted" because their sexuality "isn't real" and I fucking hate that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: Sexual orientation is a social construct. I don't quite know if I believe that, but I do think there is some truth to it, at least. But this post is going to make me go on a tangent, so bear with me... I think a good deal of transgenderism isn't really valid and is based on social constructs rather than biology. If a transgender person literally feels they have the wrong genitals, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about say, biological men who feel they are women trapped in men's bodies because they want to wear pretty dresses, high heeled shoes, have long flowing hair, love the color pink, etc. Absolutely none of those things are inherently feminine, they are just associated with femininity due to social constructs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I don't quite know if I believe that, but I do think there is some truth to it, at least. But this post is going to make me go on a tangent, so bear with me... I think a good deal of transgenderism isn't really valid and is based on social constructs rather than biology. If a transgender person literally feels they have the wrong genitals, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about say, biological men who feel they are women trapped in men's bodies because they want to wear pretty dresses, high heeled shoes, have long flowing hair, love the color pink, etc. Absolutely none of those things are inherently feminine, they are just associated with femininity due to social constructs. I feel the opposite way actually that saying sexuality and Gender is a "social constuct" is a form of Homophobia/Transphobia because it essentially means you're telling LGBT people that their sexual and gender identities are a "dillusion" and that they can and/or should "unlearn" it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mochi said: the same can be said of Gender and I agree on SOME level but not entirely because to say it's a social construct is a polite way of dismissing people's identities, you're essentially telling them that the way they feel and who they love is something they made up and that they could "Stop feeling that way if they wanted" because their sexuality "isn't real" and I fucking hate that Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it isn't "real." I mean, the definition of a mile is a social construct, but it is concrete when you walk it. Get it? Concrete? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, mochi said: I feel the opposite way actually that saying sexuality and Gender is a "social constuct" is a form of Homophobia/Transphobia because it essentially means you're telling LGBT people that their sexual and gender identities are a "dillusion" and that they can and/or should "unlearn" it How does that not say the same exact thing about heterosexuality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: How does that not say the same exact thing about heterosexuality? because people never make the argument that heterosexuality isn't real the same way they do about Homosexuality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I don't quite know if I believe that, but I do think there is some truth to it, at least. But this post is going to make me go on a tangent, so bear with me... I think a good deal of transgenderism isn't really valid and is based on social constructs rather than biology. If a transgender person literally feels they have the wrong genitals, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about say, biological men who feel they are women trapped in men's bodies because they want to wear pretty dresses, high heeled shoes, have long flowing hair, love the color pink, etc. Absolutely none of those things are inherently feminine, they are just associated with femininity due to social constructs. Transgender =/= gentlemen who dress in drag. To quote eddie izzard, "drag is the male version of tomboy." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, mochi said: because people never make the argument that heterosexuality isn't real the same way they do about Homosexuality Heterosexuality isnt real. There you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: Just because something is a social construct doesn't mean it isn't "real." I mean, the definition of a mile is a social construct, but it is concrete when you walk it. Get it? Concrete? it basically does, saying something is a social construct means it's something that society "made up" and that it wouldn't exist otherwise, or that it shouldn't you're basically saying that sexuality isn't real if you say it's a construct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mochi said: because people never make the argument that heterosexuality isn't real the same way they do about Homosexuality That has absolutely nothing to do with considering sexual orientation a social construct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 I very much disagree. Laws are a social construct but they exist, as does the government, religion, and dentistry . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: Transgender =/= gentlemen who dress in drag. To quote eddie izzard, "drag is the male version of tomboy." I'm not talking about men who consider themselves men who like to dress in drag. I mean biological men who say they knew at a young age they were in the wrong bodies because they were more interested in playing with Barbies, wearing pretty pink dresses, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: That has absolutely nothing to do with considering sexual orientation a social construct. I'm just saying if you say it's a social construct you're basically implying it can be "changed" or "fixed" and I don't like that implication, let people love who they love, stop trying to disprove that people's feelings are genuine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I'm not talking about men who consider themselves men who like to dress in drag. I mean biological men who say they knew at a young age they were in the wrong bodies because they were more interested in playing with Barbies, wearing pretty pink dresses, etc. Those individuals very likely are biologically predisposed to femininity and are acting it out through the cultural mores prescribed to women Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, mochi said: I'm just saying if you say it's a social construct you're basically implying it can be "changed" or "fixed" and I don't like that implication, let people love who they love, stop trying to disprove that people's feelings are genuine Please don't put words in others' mouths. Like I said, you can say that heterosexuality is just as a made up social construct. If you do not wish to, that's on you. Those that say gays can be "changed" or "fixed" do not believe sexual orientation is just a social construct. They believe nature and biology says men + women, end of discussion. That is not believing sexual orientation is a social construct. You are putting meaning where it doesn't belong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: I very much disagree. Laws are a social construct but they exist, as does the government, religion, and dentistry . I still think calling sexual attraction and love a social construct feels like you're saying it's a choice because it implies it's not actually something people personally feel in and of themselves but something society is teaching them to feel and now how they really naturally feel and you know that's bullshit because gay kids growing up see nothing but straight couples kissing in cartoons and we still end up gay basically saying it's a social construct means you're saying it's not natural, it's not something people would feel without being told to feel it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: Those individuals very likely are biologically predisposed to femininity and are acting it out through the cultural mores prescribed to women I don't know. I'm no expert anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, mochi said: I'm just saying if you say it's a social construct you're basically implying it can be "changed" or "fixed" and I don't like that implication, let people love who they love, stop trying to disprove that people's feelings are genuine All feelings are inherently genuine. They are measurable electrochemical schema within the brain. Hooray feels. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Please don't put words in others' mouths. Like I said, you can say that heterosexuality is just as a made up social construct. If you do not wish to, that's on you. Those that say gays can be "changed" or "fixed" do not believe sexual orientation is just a social construct. They believe nature and biology says men + women, end of discussion. That is not believing sexual orientation is a social construct. You are putting meaning where it doesn't belong. I'm just saying a "social construct" is something you have to be taught, not something you just feel naturally, so I don't think that term applies to sexuality since sexuality is something you literally have no personal control over and cannot stop yourself from feeling (no matter what christianity says) Edited June 9, 2018 by mochi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 People would feel what they feel regardless, just like your feet feel the concrete when you walk a mile. The label is still a social construct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, mochi said: I'm just saying a "social construct" is something you have to be taught, not something you just feel naturally, so I don't think that term applies to sexuality since sexuality is something you literally have no personal control over and cannot stop yourself from feeling That's fine, I have no problem with that. I just have a problem with you saying that saying sexual orientation is a social construct equates to homophobia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I don't know. I'm no expert anyway. I wouldn't consider myself an expert, but ive had rudimentary education in biological, hormonal, and evolutionary psychology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: People would feel what they feel regardless, just like your feet feel the concrete when you walk a mile. The label is still a social construct. okay that much I'll agree with, the words, straight, gay, Bi and Lesbian themselves, yes, the words themselves are something society constructed as a way to contextualize the already existing feelings that people already felt natutrally, because Language is something society constructed as a way to communicate with other humans I was thinking the logic was that you were trying to say "all humans are pansexual" or "labels are bad" which is what pisses me off, labels are not inherently bad they're just how humans understand things, and I see that "labels are bad" mentality all over the faux SJW culture on tumblr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 The term "label" is in and of itself a label. So is "bad." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, SwimModSponges said: The term "label" is in and of itself a label. So is "bad." Goddamn it sponges. I remember when I was little thinking things like, "Why is a tree called a tree? Who came up with that word?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 https://www.etymonline.com/word/tree 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: Goddamn it sponges. I remember when I was little thinking things like, "Why is a tree called a tree? Who came up with that word?" that epiphany just put into perspective what I was misunderstanding I was thinking you and sponges (and the other people I've had this same argument with) were trying to say the state of being a man who is romantically or sexually attracted to other men was "made up" (or vice versa for straight people) but what you were actually saying (I assume) was that CALLING men who love other men "gay" is what was made up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Yep. Trees exist without us calling them trees. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: https://www.etymonline.com/word/tree I'm not sure you're understanding what I was getting at. Yeah, that does answer what I asked. But what about the very, very first word used to describe a tree, regardless of language of origin? Like, why did they pick that word? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 OR DO THEY? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Just now, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I'm not sure you're understanding what I was getting at. Yeah, that does answer what I asked. But what about the very, very first word used to describe a tree, regardless of language of origin? Like, why did they pick that word? That is a good question. No specific answer, but this is tangentially related: 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 There is a single universal word used by all languages: "huh?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted June 9, 2018 Share Posted June 9, 2018 Boy, y'all sucked the fun out of this thread. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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