My Hero Academia, Episode 1

[The1gairon]

1 hour ago, CorbeauKarasu said:

also, how do you hide spoilers. i feel like it used to be obvious.

[ spoiler ] Snape kills Dumbledore. [ / spoiler ]

[ben0119]

On 5/8/2018 at 9:50 PM, naraku360 said:

'99 is better in a single episode than the entirety of Bleach[ed braincells] and Fairy Fail combined.

And no, the first episode of '99 isn't filler no matter how many times your reading comprehension betrays you 

Oh so now we have to watch the '99 series and discard the same material of the 2011 series to get to the vaunted "good part." 

Black Clover > Hunter x Hunter

Get moar triggered. 

Edited May 11, 2018 by ben0119

[Daos]

4 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Oh so now we have to watch the '99 series and discard the same material of the 2011 series to get to the vaunted "good part." 

Black Clover > Hunter x Hunter

Get moar triggered. 

SIR. EXCUSE ME SIR. 

YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY UNAWARE THAT HXH IS A BRILLIANT DECONSTRUCTION OF THE SHONEN GENRE.

[Jman]

1 hour ago, Daos said:

SIR. EXCUSE ME SIR. 

YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY UNAWARE THAT HXH IS A BRILLIANT DECONSTRUCTION OF THE SHONEN GENRE.

Yeah, and MHA is a spiritual counterpoint to The Boys, as opposed to crap on toast.

[naraku360]

9 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Oh so now we have to watch the '99 series and discard the same material of the 2011 series to get to the vaunted "good part." 

Black Clover > Hunter x Hunter

Get moar triggered. 

You know you aren't one to talk about tastes when you unironically think Bleach and Fairy Tail are good, right?

And I've made it quite clear that the overall quality of '99 is significantly better than 2011 for a large part of the the shared content. I've literally been saying this for years, so I don't know how it's breaking news to you.

And lastly, I don't give a fuck what you like or dislike. Unlike you, I'm able to discuss opinions without sperging out constantly or repeatly failing to comprehend even the most rudimentary of points. I don't largely ignore you for having opposing opinions, Ben. I largely ignore you because it's borderline impossible to have an actual conversation with you.

[naraku360]

4 hours ago, Jman said:

Yeah, and MHA is a spiritual counterpoint to The Boys, as opposed to crap on toast.

You literally didn't pay enough attention to figure out which character of a shonen was the protagonist. Like, you didn't actually watch any of HxH and only rail against it for being a niche show to western audiences [ie, virtually every anime ever] and thus not having excellent ratings. On an obsolete, dying medium known as cable television at 1 in the morning, no less.

And look Jman, I may agree with you that MHA isn't a great show, but your "I want it to be like a dark, gritty Batman" schtick is pretty dumb. What it isn't compared to your bizarre expectations is fairly irrelevant in comparison to the outright failure to deliver on a simple narrative premise. Let's face it, you hate basically everything and, although I do actually like you for the most part.... you are kind of an idiot.

Edited May 11, 2018 by naraku360

[Jman]

My problem with the show has always been the setup doesn’t work.  Not that I want it to be like The Boys (which when you get down to it is more interested in being offensive than making any sort of nuanced point).  When the narrative goes one way and then makes a hard U-Turn to go in the exact opposite direction of its moral, you cannot help but shake your head.

And I was mostly laughing at the joke Daos made, which came off like a variation on the “Rick and Morty is for smart people only!” meme.

[naraku360]

1 minute ago, Jman said:

My problem with the show has always been the setup doesn’t work.  Not that I want it to be like The Boys (which when you get down to it is more interested in being offensive than making any sort of nuanced point).  When the narrative goes one way and then makes a hard U-Turn to go in the exact opposite direction of its moral, you cannot help but shake your head.

And I was mostly laughing at the joke Daos made, which came off like a variation on the “Rick and Morty is for smart people only!” meme.

That's fair, it's basically been my point. I'm more commenting on the need for him to become a rogue, which doesn't seem strictly necessary.

Yeah, it's more that Ben and Daos make use the commentary against anyone who so much as likes the show, even if the person hasn't said anything of the sort. The joke is fine in the right context. In this context, it's pretty retarded.

[Blatch]

I guess the divide here is not so much how objectively good the show is, but some of us being disappointed because it doesn't go in the direction we want it to. I mean, if I cared about this work being about a powerless kid who still wants to be a hero in spite of it, and then it took a switchback into a more typical story, I would probably be pissed as well. But I've heard enough praise from the anime, between critics and casual fans, to want to keep watching this regardless of whatever the final premise ends up being. I guess it boils down to me not really caring, which is a perfectly fine thing to do. 

[naraku360]

14 minutes ago, Blatch said:

I guess the divide here is not so much how objectively good the show is, but some of us being disappointed because it doesn't go in the direction we want it to. I mean, if I cared about this work being about a powerless kid who still wants to be a hero in spite of it, and then it took a switchback into a more typical story, I would probably be pissed as well. But I've heard enough praise from the anime, between critics and casual fans, to want to keep watching this regardless of whatever the final premise ends up being. I guess it boils down to me not really caring, which is a perfectly fine thing to do. 

It's not really about expectations so much as how it sets up a moral then immediately betrays that moral through bad writing. As someone badly disabled, the notion that everyone who ridiculed Deku for being powerless were right that you can't be what you want to be if you have a severe handicap is rather insulting. I recognize that wasn't a deliberate point of the show, but by giving him the same ability as everyone else fundamentally ruins what was set up because the point was that he had the spirit to be a hero even if it defied odds, but now he's not defying odds and he becomes a fullblown different character by the end of the 3rd episode by way of what amounts to an extended montage. It borders on saying, "if you're disabled, you're a loser and can't amount to anything. Have you tried not being disabled?" Again, I'm sure it isn't the point the series is aiming for, but the author having not considered this interpretation of their own work comes off as amateurish at best especially when it is foundationally such a simple concept. It can have an entirely different point to make; that doesn't inherently mean the other point was clearly conveyed, nor well-executed.

Edited May 11, 2018 by naraku360

[Blatch]

This is a worthwhile point. I've seen you make it before, and it's nice to see the most concise version of it in one place. It's also news to me that you actually are disabled, although knowing in what way isn't required.

There's one thing that trips me up on this, though. MHA portrays the Quirk system as being a spectrum. You could have a really great power that lets you get all the superhero work you want, or you might have something that's rather useful, but only in niche circumstances. On the other hand, you could like Deku's mom and have something (as in, being able to move objects within a few feet of your body) that's largely useless. For what it's worth, the show portrays her as a normal person who isn't much better off than the 20% of the population who don't have Quirks. Heck, there are probably some that are outright hindrances.

Ultimately, I prefer to mix the powerless in with those who aren't well-equipped enough to handle serious superhero work. I imagine there are probably a lot of them; maybe even an outright majority. And if there are fewer able-bodied people than those with good powers, this turns the disability angle on its head. In this case, the moral is more "If you want to be a successful hero, you'll have to get lucky." Deku at least had the excuse of being a generally nice person who would be a worthy recipient for someone to give powers to, which is more idealistic. He didn't have a Quirk to start with, but I don't know if it's possible for someone's original Quirk to be altered in any way. Maybe there are ways to amplify one's power, or even swap it out for something completely different.

Edited May 11, 2018 by Blatch

[naraku360]

17 minutes ago, Blatch said:

This is a worthwhile point. I've seen you make it before, and it's nice to see the most concise version of it in one place. It's also news to me that you actually are disabled, although knowing in what way isn't required.

There's one thing that trips me up on this, though. MHA portrays the Quirk system as being a spectrum. You could have a really great power that lets you get all the superhero work you want, or you might have something that's rather useful, but only in niche circumstances. On the other hand, you could like Deku's mom and have something (as in, being able to move objects within a few feet of your body) that's largely useless. For what it's worth, the show portrays her as a normal person that who much better off than the 20% of the population who don't have Quirks. Heck, there are probably some that are outright hindrances.

Ultimately, I prefer to mix the powerless in with those who aren't well-equipped enough to handle serious superhero work. I imagine there are probably a lot of them; maybe even an outright majority. And if there are fewer able-bodied people than those with good powers, this turns the disability angle on its head. In this case, the moral is more "If you want to be a successful hero, you'll have to get lucky." Deku at least had the excuse of being a generally nice person who would be a worthy recipient for someone to give powers to. He didn't have a Quirk to start with, but I don't know if it's possible for someone's original Quirk to be altered in any way. Maybe there are ways to amplify one's power, or even swap it out for something completely different.

I'm really a genetic dumpster fire. Aniridia [no irises, degenerative eyes, legally blind], Crohn's, and a big ball of mental disorders.

That is true. I think I would have preferred if he had begun with a weak power and needed to be clever in using it or started with an ability too strong to use properly, as he eventually gets and the bodily damage as the reason he'd never shown his power - it's even the in-show excuse given. Those would both make the introduction essentially the same without the narrative whiplash and they'd only need a short scene to establish.

From what I've gathered out of the first couple episodes, it seemed to be driving home how Deku was more of a hero than most with the normal capacity. It even goes so far as [episode 2 spoilers, marking because I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge about him getting a power in the first place, but the specifics are maybe not so much for those who haven't seen it]

to show that Deku is more willing to risk his life for someone who treats him like garbage than All Might was to try saving someone once his power ran out. In essence, it acts as a critique of those who abused him for being unable to meet societal expectations, actively forcing all Might to confront his own failings as a hero

^that I do think is a good dynamic. It's more that I wish it had played more into it without such a large change in the ability dynamic.

[Daos]

I'm still not sure why that bothers you so much. One of the old Iron Man versions was crippled and couldn't walk... except when he was in the Iron Man suit. Daredevil was blind... then develops super hearing that lets him "see" better than normal people.

Batman had no powers, but spends billions on gear and a utility belt that basically gives him powers. Heroes have a long history of getting around their disabilities or being powerless.

If Deku was super smart and built a power suit It sounds like you'd accept this premise more.

[Jman]

Just now, Daos said:

I'm still not sure why that bothers you so much. One of the old Iron Man versions was crippled and couldn't walk... except when he was in the Iron Man suit. Daredevil was blind... then develops super hearing that lets him "see" better than normal people.

Batman had no powers, but spends billions on gear and a utility belt that basically gives him powers. Heroes have a long history of getting around their disabilities or being powerless.

If Deku was super smart and built a power suit It sounds like you'd accept this premise more.

That’s a triumph of human ingenuity over genetic disposition.  The power isn’t gifted, it’s earned.

[Daos]

Well you can easily argue that he earned it. Just wait until episode 2 then see how you feel.

[PokeNirvash]

All I got from this thread is that Deku is best boy, Mt. Lady is best girl, JMan has trouble letting things go, Naraku's eyes probably look like Yamato's, and HxH '99 is most definitely kino.

[EmpressAngel]

31 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

All I got from this thread is that Deku is best boy, Mt. Lady is best girl, JMan has trouble letting things go, Naraku's eyes probably look like Yamato's, and HxH '99 is most definitely kino.

You forgot All Might and the heroic effort his shirt makes to not explode off his body. ♥‿♥

[PokeNirvash]

Yes, you can't possibly forget that.

[naraku360]

40 minutes ago, Daos said:

I'm still not sure why that bothers you so much. One of the old Iron Man versions was crippled and couldn't walk... except when he was in the Iron Man suit. Daredevil was blind... then develops super hearing that lets him "see" better than normal people.

Batman had no powers, but spends billions on gear and a utility belt that basically gives him powers. Heroes have a long history of getting around their disabilities or being powerless.

If Deku was super smart and built a power suit It sounds like you'd accept this premise more.

Tony Stark built the suit. I know a bit less about Daredevil but I imagine a part of his backstory is him having to do trial and error for an extended period of time to perfect the hearing. Batman, to my understanding, designs his gadgets. These are all things they do proactively to accomodate their limitations. So, in essence, yeah, I probably would accept it to an extent if he did.

Then again, I don't have a great deal of interest in the superhero genre, I can't vouch for the quality or lack thereof for any of the aforementioned. From what I've seen of superhero stuff, it can be fun but isn't exactly well-written under most circumstances. Never really bothered since by the time I was old enough to look into it, the comic book universe was already such a massive clusterfuck I didn't really want to bother. Haven't even watched the Marvel movies 'cuz don't really care. Some could be good, maybe not, I dunno, I'm not one to judge since I haven't gotten terribly deep into it aside from a couple miscellaneous movies here and there.

Putting that all aside, it's less about literal plot and more about the overt message of the first 2 episodes in contrast to how it plays out.

Count the number of times someone mentions 1. Deku not having a Quirk, 2. How badly he wants to be a hero, or 3. How nobody believes he can. Extra points for combinations. Go through the first episode alone, it's like every other line. If you turned it into a drinking game, you'd blackout before the end credits. What does it say about those with no Quirk to have that revoked? It's,  like, not just the message of those episodes, but legitimately not subtle about it either. I don't think the series you listed make an explicit point of nobody believing in the hero due to their limitations, though without having read them I can't say for sure.

[Daos]

Eh it just sounds like some people wanted the story to go the other route instead of the one it ended up going.

I would still say he gets his powers by proving that you can be a hero without powers.

A lot of heroes get their powers for less of a reason, Spiderman gets bitten by a random spider. Fantastic four get random powers by getting accidentally blasted by radiation. Hulk.. same thing.

I mean is it a little bait and switchy at the start? Sure, but it didn't bother me that they decided to go a different way with the story.

[HardcoreHunter]

8 hours ago, Daos said:

Eh it just sounds like some people wanted the story to go the other route instead of the one it ended up going.

I would still say he gets his powers by proving that you can be a hero without powers.

A lot of heroes get their powers for less of a reason, Spiderman gets bitten by a random spider. Fantastic four get random powers by getting accidentally blasted by radiation. Hulk.. same thing.

I mean is it a little bait and switchy at the start? Sure, but it didn't bother me that they decided to go a different way with the story.

The Author wanted Deku to be a Batman/Ironman type character, who used gadgets and intellect to beat foes. The editor told him no and it became what it is now.  

[ben0119]

15 hours ago, naraku360 said:

You know you aren't one to talk about tastes when you unironically think Bleach and Fairy Tail are good, right?

And I've made it quite clear that the overall quality of '99 is significantly better than 2011 for a large part of the the shared content. I've literally been saying this for years, so I don't know how it's breaking news to you.

And lastly, I don't give a fuck what you like or dislike. Unlike you, I'm able to discuss opinions without sperging out constantly or repeatly failing to comprehend even the most rudimentary of points. I don't largely ignore you for having opposing opinions, Ben. I largely ignore you because it's borderline impossible to have an actual conversation with you.

You act like those are the only shows I like.  I'm sure there's others that I like that would suit you and your monocle.

I've seen you say that before, but now you're pretty much saying people need to watch '99 then jump to 2011 for the continuation.  Basically like asking somebody to do homework to watch a fucking show.  "If you watch HxH through a looking glass during the Summer Solstice at Stonehenge and unfocus your eyes like you're looking at a magic 3D picture, THEN it's good!"  No one was saying anything of the sort when God's Gift to Shonen was picked up by Toonami back then.   The 2011 series was stated as being the definitive one to watch.  And that's like telling people to watch the first half of FMA03 and then jump to episode 14 of Brotherhood.  It's not practical or viable.

By the way, with the Darby the Gambler JoJo episodes just having aired, I can easily see that stuff like that is what HxH was trying to ape and failed miserably.

You talk about "sperging out" and with this paragraph you've just completely gone off the deep end.  I don't care or pay attention to whether you're "ignoring" me, either.  And if you didn't care what shows other people liked or disliked you wouldn't act the way you do.

Edited May 12, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

13 hours ago, naraku360 said:

You literally didn't pay enough attention to figure out which character of a shonen was the protagonist. Like, you didn't actually watch any of HxH and only rail against it for being a niche show to western audiences [ie, virtually every anime ever] and thus not having excellent ratings. On an obsolete, dying medium known as cable television at 1 in the morning, no less.

And look Jman, I may agree with you that MHA isn't a great show, but your "I want it to be like a dark, gritty Batman" schtick is pretty dumb. What it isn't compared to your bizarre expectations is fairly irrelevant in comparison to the outright failure to deliver on a simple narrative premise. Let's face it, you hate basically everything and, although I do actually like you for the most part.... you are kind of an idiot.

Insults are the last resort of a tired mind that knows it has lost.

[ben0119]

19 minutes ago, HardcoreHunter said:

The Author wanted Deku to be a Batman/Ironman type character, who used gadgets and intellect to beat foes. The editor told him no and it became what it is now.  

We'll that's lame and explains a lot.  Hopefully the show still turns out to be good despite that.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, HardcoreHunter said:

The Author wanted Deku to be a Batman/Ironman type character, who used gadgets and intellect to beat foes. The editor told him no and it became what it is now.  

That's actually something I didn't know. If true, I'm a lot more okay with it and feel bad for the author to some extent.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, ben0119 said:

You act like those are the only shows I like.  I'm sure there's others that I like that would suit you and your monocle.

I've seen you say that before, but now you're pretty much saying people need to watch '99 then jump to 2011 for the continuation.  Basically like asking somebody to do homework to watch a fucking show.  "If you watch HxH through a looking glass during the Summer Solstice at Stonehenge and unfocus your eyes like you're looking at a magic 3D picture, THEN it's good!"  No one was saying anything of the sort when God's Gift to Shonen was picked up by Toonami back then.   The 2011 series was stated as being the definitive one to watch.  And that's like telling people to watch the first half of FMA03 and then jump to episode 14 of Brotherhood.  It's not practical or viable.

By the way, with the Darby the Gambler JoJo episodes just having aired, I can easily see that stuff like that is what HxH was trying to ape and failed miserably.

You talk about "sperging out" and with this paragraph you've just completely gone off the deep end.  I don't care or pay attention to whether you're "ignoring" me, either.  And if you didn't care what shows other people liked or disliked you wouldn't act the way you do.

I've seen plenty of people say to watch FMA03's beginning to supplement Brotherhood's weak start. I don't dramatically oppose that, either, aside from a few places where continuity is broken a little. I didn't initially think of '99 as the definitive veraion simce I initially only watched 2011. But the main reason people prefer 2011 is for Chimera Ant. It's a ridiculously good arc, but I don't think it inherently makes the bulk of preceding material better in 2011 when '99 is generally better directed with a stronger atmosphere.

I don't know what you're talking about. Having strategy in fights doesn't equate to aping off JoJo.

Not really. You accused me of being triggered, but ultimately it's not the case. You seriously need to get a clue as far as reading the room goes.

[naraku360]

6 hours ago, ben0119 said:

Insults are the last resort of a tired mind that knows it has lost.

Lol profound words of wersderm.

Edited May 12, 2018 by naraku360

[The1gairon]

8 hours ago, HardcoreHunter said:

The Author wanted Deku to be a Batman/Ironman type character, who used gadgets and intellect to beat foes. The editor told him no and it became what it is now.  

 

[OwlChemist81]

On ‎5‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 10:37 PM, Gyaos said:

THEY DIDN'T KEEP THE ORIGINAL LINE!

This "bum," lol.

Double entendres r kewl.

[ben0119]

12 hours ago, naraku360 said:

I've seen plenty of people say to watch FMA03's beginning to supplement Brotherhood's weak start. I don't dramatically oppose that, either, aside from a few places where continuity is broken a little. I didn't initially think of '99 as the definitive veraion simce I initially only watched 2011. But the main reason people prefer 2011 is for Chimera Ant. It's a ridiculously good arc, but I don't think it inherently makes the bulk of preceding material better in 2011 when '99 is generally better directed with a stronger atmosphere.

I don't know what you're talking about. Having strategy in fights doesn't equate to aping off JoJo.

Not really. You accused me of being triggered, but ultimately it's not the case. You seriously need to get a clue as far as reading the room goes.

It doesn't work because you like you said continuity.  Better to just watch both shows and keep the first half of FMA03 "in mind" when watching Brotherhood.  Of course, it's not required but it's not a bad idea.  Though I've heard from some that saw Brotherhood first that they preferred how it handled that material.  So maybe it depends on what you saw first.  Don't know if it works that way for HxH.  Well HxH already had its chance from me.  When we no-personality glasses man and his similarly nothing character student explaining nen at length in the most boring ways possible and Gon and Killua chopping people in the back to farm gil and level grind, that's when I had enough.  That was 50-something episodes?  Not sure if someone didn't like 2011 that they would like 99 anyway.

It wasn't a fight.  They were playing games against a ridiculously cheating gambler and there were all kinds of interesting and creative ways of playing the games and cheating at them, trying to counter and outsmart Darby, etc.  This is the exact kind of stuff you see in HxH on multiple occasions, but it doesn't work there at all.

Fine.

[ben0119]

12 hours ago, naraku360 said:

Lol profound words of wersderm.

If you were so confident of your argument against Jman you wouldn't have felt the need to insult him.

[naraku360]

17 hours ago, ben0119 said:

If you were so confident of your argument against Jman you wouldn't have felt the need to insult him.

I was flipping him shit. It was teasing.

[naraku360]

18 hours ago, ben0119 said:

It doesn't work because you like you said continuity.  Better to just watch both shows and keep the first half of FMA03 "in mind" when watching Brotherhood.  Of course, it's not required but it's not a bad idea.  Though I've heard from some that saw Brotherhood first that they preferred how it handled that material.  So maybe it depends on what you saw first.  Don't know if it works that way for HxH.  Well HxH already had its chance from me.  When we no-personality glasses man and his similarly nothing character student explaining nen at length in the most boring ways possible and Gon and Killua chopping people in the back to farm gil and level grind, that's when I had enough.  That was 50-something episodes?  Not sure if someone didn't like 2011 that they would like 99 anyway.

It wasn't a fight.  They were playing games against a ridiculously cheating gambler and there were all kinds of interesting and creative ways of playing the games and cheating at them, trying to counter and outsmart Darby, etc.  This is the exact kind of stuff you see in HxH on multiple occasions, but it doesn't work there at all.

Fine.

There are significantly fewer comtinuity changes between version of HxH compared to versions of FMA. Like, mostly a few minor things and 2011 not doing the first episode right. The glasses guy was only around the mid-20s, early 30s. Again, better presentation in '99. 

While some is still just people talking, the atmosphere and direction is much better and makes a necessary evil of infodump more engaging to watch.

I wasn't huge on these arcs im 2011 but thought they were largely done very well in '99. Hence, overal I prefer the older adaption by a great margin. The only serious downside being the lack of Chimera Ant.

[PokeNirvash]

Personally, my biggest gripe with '99 was them glossing over the whole Hisoka v. Castro fight without even bothering to explain the particulars.

Second place goes to Kurapika killing Uvogin coming off as surprisingly boring in comparison to how 2011 pulled it off.

[naraku360]

3 hours ago, PokeNirvash said:

Personally, my biggest gripe with '99 was them glossing over the whole Hisoka v. Castro fight without even bothering to explain the particulars.

 

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Second place goes to Kurapika killing Uvogin coming off as surprisingly boring in comparison to how 2011 pulled it off.

 

They did explain the Castro fight, though that's one of the weirdest shifts since it got explained at a strange place. Probably had to cut it for censors, but what they did show was pretty well done.

As for Uvo, I like both versions about the same. 2011 is more straight-laced badass for sure, but '99 did a lot with it. The color scheme, camera angles, and the subtle additions to Kurapika's characterization make up for the technical limitations compared to the raw power of 2011. Yorknew is where I'd say the series start being about equal, just for different reasons. Then again, I like the somber feel more anyway, at least for HxH. For example, the flashback episode for Kurapika learning nen, despite being primarily exposition, has some crazy good shots. I really like stuff like starting a shot with a spider web and unblurring the background to show Kurapika behind it while his teacher warns him about lthe danger of using nen for vengeance. My film nerd side geeks out over small details of the sort.

Edited May 14, 2018 by naraku360

[OwlChemist81]

I didn't know this was a Hunter × Hunter thread...

[ben0119]

On 5/13/2018 at 3:31 PM, naraku360 said:

I was flipping him shit. It was teasing.

It didn't come off that way to me.

[ben0119]

Edit - this editor is annoying.  I tried to spoiler-mark the youtube embed so it wouldn't be on the page twice, and it spoilered everything from the rest of that post downward instead.  And why can't you delete posts anymore?

Edited May 17, 2018 by ben0119

[ben0119]

On 5/13/2018 at 4:06 PM, naraku360 said:

There are significantly fewer comtinuity changes between version of HxH compared to versions of FMA. Like, mostly a few minor things and 2011 not doing the first episode right. The glasses guy was only around the mid-20s, early 30s. Again, better presentation in '99.

While some is still just people talking, the atmosphere and direction is much better and makes a necessary evil of infodump more engaging to watch.

I wasn't huge on these arcs im 2011 but thought they were largely done very well in '99. Hence, overal I prefer the older adaption by a great margin. The only serious downside being the lack of Chimera Ant.

Apparently it completely neglected to introduce a character, which causes issues later on.  Sounds like there is a lot of filler and padding in the 2011 version, then...

I do like the visuals better.  2011 version is super bright, which tells me it's probably done in a computer.  I like hand-drawn better.  Still, looks like this is a cliff notes version over the course of several episodes.  There could me more boring parts in between.  In the 2011 version, they watched a video of Hisoka fighting and broke it down piece by piece.  And the glasses guy is still creepy.

Maybe.  Like I said though, I think if I don't like the new version, I probably wouldn't like the old version.  Plus I was pretty much beyond fed up with it, or I wouldn't have broken my self-imposed completionist rule of watching every ASA and Toonami show from beginning to end.  Well yeah, it doesn't cover that arc.

I'm pretty sure a similar spider in a web shot was used in InuYasha, maybe even more than once, referencing Naraku.

Edited May 17, 2018 by ben0119

[naraku360]

On 5/17/2018 at 9:04 AM, ben0119 said:

It didn't come off that way to me.

Eh. I mentioned liking the guy for that reason.

On 5/17/2018 at 9:45 AM, ben0119 said:

Apparently it completely neglected to introduce a character, which causes issues later on.  Sounds like there is a lot of filler and padding in the 2011 version, then...

I do like the visuals better.  2011 version is super bright, which tells me it's probably done in a computer.  I like hand-drawn better.  Still, looks like this is a cliff notes version over the course of several episodes.  There could me more boring parts in between.  In the 2011 version, they watched a video of Hisoka fighting and broke it down piece by piece.  And the glasses guy is still creepy.

Maybe.  Like I said though, I think if I don't like the new version, I probably wouldn't like the old version.  Plus I was pretty much beyond fed up with it, or I wouldn't have broken my self-imposed completionist rule of watching every ASA and Toonami show from beginning to end.  Well yeah, it doesn't cover that arc.

I'm pretty sure a similar spider in a web shot was used in InuYasha, maybe even more than once, referencing Naraku.

I don't know if I'd say you would like it more or not. I think it's worth giving a shot since you seemed to want to like HxH and, despite what people may say, it's in my opinion a very different version. It does make Gon and Killua more relatable; Gon has more internal conflicts and vulnerability despite still having a slanted moral compass and Killua has more conflicts with how he feels about his family. There are still oddities like Killua's family being highly regarded, but the world culturally has a more primal outlook where assassination is much more common. They do seem to still be feared despite the respect they get. One thing I think is interesting about the Zoldycks in both versions is that the grandfather admits to dislike killing while many of Killua's siblings appear to have no quarrels with it.

Wing isn't the best of the series' mentors. He's better to an extent in '99, but still not the most interesting mentor. Kurapika's mentor is pretty cool but Biscuit is the fan favorite and gets reasonably more screentime than Kurapika's nen teacher, plus she's pretty great.

More than anything I liked how it shifted field of view to go from blurred background then to a focus on Kurapika with the web out of focus. It's really impressive how they sometimes emulated cameras in a hand-drawn series from the '90s. I'm into shots like that and they're all over the place in the older adaption.

I'm trying to find an article I saw comparing the tournament at the end of the Hunter Exam that did a great job explaining how I feel about the comparison of the adaptions. If I can find it, I'll link you to it.

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8 hours ago, naraku360 said:

Eh. I mentioned liking the guy for that reason.

I don't know if I'd say you would like it more or not. I think it's worth giving a shot since you seemed to want to like HxH and, despite what people may say, it's in my opinion a very different version. It does make Gon and Killua more relatable; Gon has more internal conflicts and vulnerability despite still having a slanted moral compass and Killua has more conflicts with how he feels about his family. There are still oddities like Killua's family being highly regarded, but the world culturally has a more primal outlook where assassination is much more common. They do seem to still be feared despite the respect they get. One thing I think is interesting about the Zoldycks in both versions is that the grandfather admits to dislike killing while many of Killua's siblings appear to have no quarrels with it.

Wing isn't the best of the series' mentors. He's better to an extent in '99, but still not the most interesting mentor. Kurapika's mentor is pretty cool but Biscuit is the fan favorite and gets reasonably more screentime than Kurapika's nen teacher, plus she's pretty great.

More than anything I liked how it shifted field of view to go from blurred background then to a focus on Kurapika with the web out of focus. It's really impressive how they sometimes emulated cameras in a hand-drawn series from the '90s. I'm into shots like that and they're all over the place in the older adaption.

I'm trying to find an article I saw comparing the tournament at the end of the Hunter Exam that did a great job explaining how I feel about the comparison of the adaptions. If I can find it, I'll link you to it.

Does it have a dub at all?  I had to pause and rewind a lot to to get everything in that nen explanation.  Don't know if the dialogue is often that quick and elaborate or not.  With all the shit I've talked, what makes you think that?  Gon and Killua really not that likable or relatable in the other version.  Gon barely has a personality at first, and then yeah you learn later on he isn't exactly the best person morally speaking.  I don't think there's anyone around that's going to set him on the straight and narrow, either.  Of course, Gon is nothing compared to other nutcases in the show.  But, it's kind of hard to want to follow a protagonist like that.  The other thing I don't like how is was set up like Gon, Killua, Kurapika, and Leorio were the main group, but then the last two go off on their own and only appear infrequently.  Leorio barely at all, from what I've heard.  Does the world at least make more sense and is better explained?  The Zoldycks being treated like famous celebrities with their house on a tour seemed ridiculous to me.  Not only the fact that what they're doing is apparently legal, but you'd think they would want to be more secretive.  And let's not forget that prison apparently exists, but they make people like Hisoka a Hunter.  Though of course the lingering thing in the back of my mind is the series will probably never have an ending.

The guy is boring as hell, and so is his student.  I don't know why you would make such a bland character like that to explain something so important.  

Yeah I've seen that a few times in anime but not sure if I've seen it at as much recently.

Alright.