death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 who here has not been under the influence for a reasonable amount of time? i just want to talk about why that can be difficult and requires determination. there's a few points people pass while getting sober; the initial withdrawals, the recovery, becoming abstinent, and remaining abstinent. the hardest part imo is the recovery: if you can make 35-40 days and not give into to a craving, you're almost home free. the next hardest part is remaining abstinent. an addict sometimes has trouble remembering all the reasons to stay sober. so a relapse late in the process becomes likely. on the other hand, becoming abstinent after a tough recovery can be very self-satisfying and personally challenging. when you re-examine priority and important life circumstances with a sober mind and a new will to succeed, its very motivating and inspiring. i want to be abstinent without ever being challenged, but thats impossible, so all in moderation, amirite?
Clu Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Define reasonable? I went 100 days this past summer. 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 i mean just past the 35-40 day threshold.
André Toulon Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I was sober for 3 years....Highly overrated. 2
Still Me Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: who here has not been under the influence for a reasonable amount of time? i just want to talk about why that can be difficult and requires determination. there's a few points people pass while getting sober; the initial withdrawals, the recovery, becoming abstinent, and remaining abstinent. the hardest part imo is the recovery: if you can make 35-40 days and not give into to a craving, you're almost home free. the next hardest part is remaining abstinent. an addict sometimes has trouble remembering all the reasons to stay sober. so a relapse late in the process becomes likely. on the other hand, becoming abstinent after a tough recovery can be very self-satisfying and personally challenging. when you re-examine priority and important life circumstances with a sober mind and a new will to succeed, its very motivating and inspiring. i want to be abstinent without ever being challenged, but thats impossible, so all in moderation, amirite? I don’t have a drinking problem nor a drug problem...so it’s not “hard” to be sober...it’s just living my life....do I occasionally have a beer with dinner? Or a glass of wine? Yes...but it’s usually one or twice a year... 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: I was sober for 3 years....Highly overrated. i dont want to make any "i" statements, but even 10-15 years of sobriety can end up in a huge crash.
André Toulon Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: i dont want to make any "i" statements, but even 10-15 years of sobriety can end up in a huge crash. Yeah, so I jumped off that train 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Clu said: Oh. Me. https://www.verywellmind.com/dsm-5-criteria-for-substance-use-disorders-21926 diseases cant be lived with or ignored, see number 7 on this list. if you start not gaf at work and not gaf in life then how can you sustain yourself very long? Edited February 27, 2018 by mumbojummie13
Clu Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Oh, so this was bait to get up on that soap box. 1
Derackthehunter Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Does it count if you never had addict behavior to begin with? 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 im just trying to be supportive for people getting sober because they are dope sick, cant hold a job, or depressed.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 Just now, Derackthehunter said: Does it count if you never had addict behavior to begin with? holy shit yeah. youre a role model. have some kids and buy a pony, dude
Derackthehunter Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, mumbojummie13 said: holy shit yeah. youre a role model. have some kids and buy a pony, dude Why would I want a pony?
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 kids love ponies and dads with ponies are the best kind of dad
André Toulon Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: im just trying to be supportive for people getting sober because they are dope sick, cant hold a job, or depressed. These are all excuses.....I get shitfaced and buy gum so I can work
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 15 minutes ago, Still Me said: I don’t have a drinking problem nor a drug problem...so it’s not “hard” to be sober...it’s just living my life....do I occasionally have a beer with dinner? Or a glass of wine? Yes...but it’s usually one or twice a year... thats my attitude too. but you know some people have ingrained deeply psychologically and behaviorally reinforced abuse disorders, and using occasionally isnt an option. even with sober times 10+ years, the next relapse could be the last.
André Toulon Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I keep clicking your avatar but you keep managing to post 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: These are all excuses.....I get shitfaced and buy gum so I can work actually you could be correct, but i know a lot of people who dont have any motivation, respect for society, or the responsibility to hold a job, and the indicator with all of them is severe addiction, plus a background and environment that enables abuse. the difference being they might all have a mental disorder too, or some variation that doesnt apply to you, like you are saying, maybe a person without a diagnosable illness, such as yourself, doesnt experience that. i could be wrong.
Derackthehunter Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 28 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: kids love ponies and dads with ponies are the best kind of dad If my dad had a pony that wouldn't have made him a better dad.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 did he have a donkey, a barrel of whiskey, and live on a western campsite?
naraku360 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 Alcohol makes my stomach hurt before it can make me intoxicated. It also tastes terrible, so there's basically no point.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, naraku360 said: Alcohol makes my stomach hurt before it can make me intoxicated. It also tastes terrible, so there's basically no point. i know what you mean 100%. but the weird aftertaste goes away after a few drinks. this thread is really more about sobriety from drugs though. with alcohol and soon marijuana off the blacklist, no one will need to be an addict. that almost sounds like a miracle.
Phillies Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I have 2 years on march 19th. Actually I think quitting the substance is the easy part. The real challenge is putting your life back together and fixing all the other problems, the list is endless.
katt_goddess Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 I'm allergic to alcohol. I have to deal with life SOBER. I compensate for my lack of shitfacedness by keeping the local bookstores in business.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Phillies said: I have 2 years on march 19th. Actually I think quitting the substance is the easy part. The real challenge is putting your life back together and fixing all the other problems, the list is endless. woah. good for you. what are the reasons that motivated you to quit?
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, katt_goddess said: I'm allergic to alcohol. I have to deal with life SOBER. I compensate for my lack of shitfacedness by keeping the local bookstores in business. i have never met anyone with alcohol intolerance. how rare is that?
katt_goddess Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, mumbojummie13 said: i have never met anyone with alcohol intolerance. how rare is that? I'm actually not sure. I never really looked into it and whatever numbers that come up might not even be right because not everyone drinks and most cough syrups on the market aren't measured in proofs anymore.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 34 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: I keep clicking your avatar but you keep managing to post what? im speaking up about how hard it is to quit using.. im actually drinking tonight but im not encouraging heroin. actually there are some really good Canadian heroin use support programs. it just the people unable to regain control in the depths of an addiction that dont seem to understand health and wellbeing that i am concerned about.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 6 minutes ago, katt_goddess said: I'm actually not sure. I never really looked into it and whatever numbers that come up might not even be right because not everyone drinks and most cough syrups on the market aren't measured in proofs anymore. oh. well i'll look it up someday.
nameraka Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 (edited) i did 8 months awhile back. it was hard at first, but it got easier. i'd gotten locked in a cycle of coming home from work and drinking until i basically passed out. started having physical and psychological problems. i confess that i've fallen off the wagon a bit, but i'm nowhere near as bad as i was. stopping for a bit helped me reset my systems. i've also taken some mini breaks since. (a month or two off just to prove to myself that i can) Edited February 27, 2018 by nameraka 1
scoobdog Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 46 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: actually you could be correct, but i know a lot of people who dont have any motivation, respect for society, or the responsibility to hold a job, and the indicator with all of them is severe addiction, plus a background and environment that enables abuse. the difference being they might all have a mental disorder too, or some variation that doesnt apply to you, like you are saying, maybe a person without a diagnosable illness, such as yourself, doesnt experience that. i could be wrong. You most definitely are.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, scoobdog said: You most definitely are. i realize your opinion is important to you.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 27 minutes ago, nameraka said: i did 8 months awhile back. it was hard at first, but it got easier. i'd gotten locked in a cycle of coming home from work and drinking until i basically passed out. started having physical and psychological problems. i confess that i've fallen off the wagon a bit, but i'm nowhere near as bad as i was. stopping for a bit helped me reset my systems. i've also taken some mini breaks since. (a month or two off just to prove to myself that i can) this.<^ if you know the effort it takes, and remember the fear of your life being completely consumed, you hit the nail on the head.
Phillies Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 43 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: woah. good for you. what are the reasons that motivated you to quit? Mental health needed to be fixed for good this time. no more self medicating. Also the list of problems is endless- criminal record,relationships destroyed, unresolved warrants in other counties, etc. Quitting the substance was not hard like AA and all that bull shit makes it out to be. Am I going to stay sober for the rest of my life? I don't know, am I an addict? I don't know. 1
André Toulon Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Phillies said: Am I going to stay sober for the rest of my life? Wow, you're going to be a shut in AND sober? Your life is gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuck 1
death_by_motorboat Posted February 27, 2018 Author Posted February 27, 2018 33 minutes ago, ghostrek said: drink about once ever 3-6 months thats awesome because you dont have a tolerance when you drink.
ghostrek Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 3 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: thats awesome because you dont have a tolerance when you drink. i dont drink that much for a reson i am on meds
Phillies Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, Noboru Yamaguchi said: Wow, you're going to be a shut in AND sober? Your life is gonna suuuuuuuuuuuuuck I didn't say I was. Actually I'm gonna blow lines of coke off fuggz hooha.
naraku360 Posted February 27, 2018 Posted February 27, 2018 1 hour ago, mumbojummie13 said: i know what you mean 100%. but the weird aftertaste goes away after a few drinks. this thread is really more about sobriety from drugs though. with alcohol and soon marijuana off the blacklist, no one will need to be an addict. that almost sounds like a miracle. Alcohol is the only addictive thing I've tried. Most addictive drugs are more dangerous than I'm willing to try. Stuff like shrooms or LSD I'm alright trying, but those aren't much of a struggle to stay off.
bnmjy Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 It's been months. I don't like the feeling of being under the influence anymore. If something is wrong with my life, I just deal with it regardless of my emotions. I do sometimes consume an unhealthy high level of caffeine, not that it counts.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Phillies said: Mental health needed to be fixed for good this time. no more self medicating. Also the list of problems is endless- criminal record,relationships destroyed, unresolved warrants in other counties, etc. Quitting the substance was not hard like AA and all that bull shit makes it out to be. Am I going to stay sober for the rest of my life? I don't know, am I an addict? I don't know. yeah, with 12 step programs the intensity level is a little crazy.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 1 hour ago, ghostrek said: i dont drink that much for a reson i am on meds oh. sorry to hear that.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 29 minutes ago, naraku360 said: Alcohol is the only addictive thing I've tried. Most addictive drugs are more dangerous than I'm willing to try. Stuff like shrooms or LSD I'm alright trying, but those aren't much of a struggle to stay off. just be careful
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 20 minutes ago, bnmjy said: It's been months. I don't like the feeling of being under the influence anymore. If something is wrong with my life, I just deal with it regardless of my emotions. I do sometimes consume an unhealthy high level of caffeine, not that it counts. just caffeine? thats successful sobriety, lady. good for you
bnmjy Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, mumbojummie13 said: just caffeine? thats successful sobriety, lady. good for you Lady? mumbo, don't even start.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 Just now, bnmjy said: Lady? mumbo, don't even start. i thought you had girl parts and i had boy parts and thats what makes us such good friends?
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted February 28, 2018 Posted February 28, 2018 I've been not sober only once, and that was in like 1999.
death_by_motorboat Posted February 28, 2018 Author Posted February 28, 2018 3 minutes ago, Doom Metal Alchemist said: I've been not sober only once, and that was in like 1999. thats understandable knowing how close you are to your folks. are you christians?
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