Daos Posted May 14, 2018 Share Posted May 14, 2018 (edited) Alicization is S3. The reboot light novels are called SAO Progressive Edited May 14, 2018 by Daos 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) New week, new ratings: Guess we'll just have to get used to only 3 shows being listed until new FLCL next month. I'll be shocked if MHA went up from Kai. Hope it retained well. Toonami owned the night in the young male demographic on Cable TV, which is what usually happens whenever there's not a major sporting event on Cable. However, numbers were actually DOWN on a week-to-week basis. Edited May 15, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 I really need to research the real reason Comcast pushed Cartoon Network up to one of their more expensive packages. Do we know the reason WHY we're only seeing 3 Toonami shows for the second week in a row? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Apparently the idiots over at Nielsen think that MHA and Black Clover are reruns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 And here I was hoping for solid evidence of MHA’s performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Well, considering the three shows that did place are in the top 10, one can easily assume MHA placed at least as high. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Calm down. We'll know all the ratings later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 (edited) Cool. It's "later". Unfortunately, these ratings SUCK: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-5-12-2018.html DRAGON BALL at 0.45/0.34 compared to last week’s 0.47/0.38, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.08 to 0.27/578K, FOOLY COOLY down 0.05 to 0.24/501K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.01 to 0.24, HUNER X HUNTER down 0.01 to 0.21/450K, BLACK CLOVER steady at 0.19, NARUTO steady at 0.18/377K, SPACE DANDY down 0.01 to 0.14/305K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.1/316K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.01 to 0.13/287K. Yep, MHA Episode 2 jinx hit, as it dropped all the way to 578K! It looks like this show may not live up to the hype after all, but it's still early. Plus, it IS hamstrung since it's not a dub premiere, and its contemporary One-Punch Man was. And we STILL don't know how Black Clover did, but I actually believe it may be over 400K... I really hope new FLCL will give a boost, but it may not, especially if Toonami is dumb enough to try a same-night encore at 3:30 AM. I guess we'll see... Edited May 15, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 You either show anime the day it comes out or you're late. This is what you're dealing with. People saw MHA on the web when it was hype a year ago. TV blocks of acquired shit on even the slightest delay is as outdated as record of the month clubs. However, like record of the month clubs (Vinyl Me Please is a cool service), shit like this is still cool to have around, even if no one's watching. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Just now, MasqueradeOverture said: You either show anime the day it comes out or you're late. This is what you're dealing with. People saw MHA on the web when it was hype a year ago. TV blocks of acquired shit on even the slightest delay is as outdated as record of the month clubs. However, like record of the month clubs (Vinyl Me Please is a cool service), shit like this is still cool to have around, even if no one's watching. This will be a trend unfortunately even as people become less adverse to subs. Toonami will still have its place as a showcase for good shows to screen for the general public for awhile though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: Cool. It's "later". Unfortunately, these ratings SUCK: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-5-12-2018.html DRAGON BALL at 0.45/0.34 compared to last week’s 0.47/0.38, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.08 to 0.27/578K, FOOLY COOLY down 0.05 to 0.24/501K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE down 0.01 to 0.24, HUNER X HUNTER down 0.01 to 0.21/450K, BLACK CLOVER steady at 0.19, NARUTO steady at 0.18/377K, SPACE DANDY down 0.01 to 0.14/305K, COWBOY BEBOP down 0.03 to 0.1/316K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL down 0.01 to 0.13/287K. Yep, MHA Episode 2 jinx hit, as it dropped all the way to 578K! It looks like this show may not live up to the hype after all, but it's still early. Plus, it IS hamstrung since it's not a dub premiere, and its contemporary One-Punch Man was. And we STILL don't know how Black Clover did, but I actually believe it may be over 400K... I really hope new FLCL will give a boost, but it may not, especially if Toonami is dumb enough to try a same-night encore at 3:30 AM. I guess we'll see... I’m hoping too. It would be a shame if it’s capped out because of what comes before it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Yup bad numbers this week. Kai and MHA both pulled 78 percents and Super wasn't even close to a million. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 15, 2018 Share Posted May 15, 2018 Super no longer gets a million on a regular basis. It's been going on for a while now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 On the upside, considering that JoJo made the top 10 original simulcasts for the 18-49 crowd, it's safe to assume the night itself wasn't so hot across the board. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 The three we see in the breakdown, (DBS DBZ and JJBA) are all well above average in share in both the P 18-34 and M 18-34. That alone puts this week in the win column for Toonami. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 This is the typical dialogue for when there's a down week, and it's lacking substance. The ratings are bad! Except when they aren't! Maybe... for what it's worth, everything after FLCL was stable despite the lower numbers. That's all I need to see to chalk this night up to not being a failure. At this point, what would it even take for a night of Toonami to lose money? Dragon Ball Super under 800K? My Hero Academia not even getting a half-million, and everything else being a hundred thousand lower than usual? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 I should subscribe to CJ Maffris of the Toonami Faithful site's outlook: never look at ratings. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Well, here's the whole picture... http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-golden-knights-jets-nhl-western-conference-final-game-1-on-nbc-tops-prime-time-among-adults-18-49-and-adults-25-54/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 2 hours ago, elfie said: I should subscribe to CJ Maffris of the Toonami Faithful site's outlook: never look at ratings. We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 hours ago, Sketch said: We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. Well we've been over this a few times in the ol ratings thread... but Toonami ratings don't matter due to Cartoon Network having incredibly low ratings overall. Toonami will continue existing with ratings this low, yes. But still it's disappointing after 88 percent retention for MHA last week to see it back down to what every other show does after Kai. Kai only retaining 78 percent followed by MHA doing 78 percent is pretty bad. Obviously we hoped it would do better. It's got a lot working against it though. Worst spot on the schedule, almost no advertising, and it's 2 years old. I've already seen it subbed and dubbed, so this is going to be my third watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Sketch said: We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. Nobody should be upset by them for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 16 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said: You either show anime the day it comes out or you're late. This is what you're dealing with. People saw MHA on the web when it was hype a year ago. TV blocks of acquired shit on even the slightest delay is as outdated as record of the month clubs. However, like record of the month clubs (Vinyl Me Please is a cool service), shit like this is still cool to have around, even if no one's watching. With simuldubs now a thing this is going to become more and more common, particularly as big streaming services invest in the medium. I wonder how many views MHA is pulling down on Hulu. That would give us a far more accurate picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 6 hours ago, Sketch said: We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. Nobody should be upset by them for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Sketch said: We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. Very much yes. Talk about the actual shows, and not the ratings. All of this endless fearmongering, theorizing, and speculating is a cancer upon these forums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sketch said: We probably all should at this point. I get the strong impression they really don't matter much at all anymore. Personally, CJ works at a news broadcasting station, so he has to deal with co-workers talking about nothing BUT ratings all day! Edited May 16, 2018 by elfie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 (edited) Check this out: https://twitter.com/Turner/status/996729537479282694 So there you have it. 500K watching JoJo being great at 12:30 is all about shifting priorities... Edited May 16, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 12 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said: Check this out: https://twitter.com/Turner/status/996729537479282694 So there you have it. 500K watching JoJo being great at 12:30 is all about shifting priorities... FYI one reply tweet on that tweet says this address was made like 3 months ago, which makes me feel a tad better that they are aware of what is most important. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Jman said: With simuldubs now a thing this is going to become more and more common, particularly as big streaming services invest in the medium. I wonder how many views MHA is pulling down on Hulu. That would give us a far more accurate picture. More like Hulolwhotfhashulu amirite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 8 hours ago, Blatch said: Very much yes. Talk about the actual shows, and not the ratings. All of this endless fearmongering, theorizing, and speculating is a cancer upon these forums. But... it's a 71 page thread about ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 Then maybe this thread should be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 16, 2018 Share Posted May 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, elfie said: Then maybe this thread should be locked. Or maybe.... it should stay open! And then people that don't like talking about ratings don't come in the ratings thread and complain that people are talking about ratings. It seems crazy but I think that could work out for everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 A certain two shows are dominating this list. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/05/15/crunchyrolls-most-popular-spring-2018-anime-by-state-us-no-sequels-edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 50 minutes ago, Daos said: A certain two shows are dominating this list. http://www.crunchyroll.com/anime-feature/2018/05/15/crunchyrolls-most-popular-spring-2018-anime-by-state-us-no-sequels-edition I am clearly watching the wrong anime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Megalo Box pwns everything, as it rightfully should. I am 200% ready for this show to get dubbed and air on Toonami. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 49 minutes ago, Blatch said: Megalo Box pwns everything, as it rightfully should. I am 200% ready for this show to get dubbed and air on Toonami. Yes but that brings us to Toonami's main problem, the inability to get the current hits until years later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 I actually think the bigger issue this time is with Crunchyroll. Everything they license by themselves seems to come out at least a year later than if Funi gets it, then punts the subbed simulcast rights over to them. Kantai Collection first premiered in the Winter 2015 season, then didn't come out on Blu-ray for two-and-a-half years. Re:Zero has taken a similar path. And then you've got poor KonoSuba!, which hasn't even been licensed yet after more than two years since it premiered. It would tremendously suck if this means Megalo Box won't get dubbed until 2020. At some point, Funi should do something to get all of these backlogged shows from CR out of the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Yes but I think this is where Toonami needs to find a beneficial relationship. Funimation has Crunchyroll and VRV. Toonami should cuddle up to someone, maybe Sentai or Aniplex? Work out a deal, even if it's just a deal to show their old hits at low/no cost. I think Crunchy has Mob Psycho and Made in Abyss as well. They've got some good stuff. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 6 hours ago, elfie said: Then maybe this thread should be locked. Just because some people take the ratings a bit too seriously doesn't mean we need to lock the thread for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 9 hours ago, Blatch said: I actually think the bigger issue this time is with Crunchyroll. Everything they license by themselves seems to come out at least a year later than if Funi gets it, then punts the subbed simulcast rights over to them. Kantai Collection first premiered in the Winter 2015 season, then didn't come out on Blu-ray for two-and-a-half years. Re:Zero has taken a similar path. And then you've got poor KonoSuba!, which hasn't even been licensed yet after more than two years since it premiered. It would tremendously suck if this means Megalo Box won't get dubbed until 2020. At some point, Funi should do something to get all of these backlogged shows from CR out of the way. Well you know Funimation and Crunchyroll are in bed together. It makes sense that once a Crunchyroll anime is uploaded, the distribution rights COULD be done under Funimation a year later. Anime that Funimation licenses by themselves go out way sooner than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 2020?! Dammit I can’t wait that long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 (edited) For what it's worth: http://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-golden-knights-jets-nhl-western-conference-final-game-1-on-nbc-tops-prime-time-among-adults-18-49-and-adults-25-54/ PROGRAM Viewers (000) A1849 rating A1849 (000) 10:30 Dragon Ball Super 936 0.45 575 11:00 Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters 734 0.34 433 11:30 My Hero Academia (r) 578 0.27 354 12:00a Fooly Cooly (r) 501 0.24 306 12:30a Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders 497 0.24 307 1:00a Hunter X Hunter (r) 450 0.21 272 1:30a Black Clover (r) 397 0.19 243 2:00a Naruto: Shippuden (r) 377 0.18 229 2:30a Space Dandy (r) 305 0.14 180 3:00a Cowboy Bebop (r) 316 0.13 171 3:30a Ghost In Shell: 2nd Gig (r) 287 0.13 169 Average in total viewers was 489K, DEAD LAST for 2018, and only reverse-trumped by the Cowboy Bebop marathon last year for lowest-rated Toonami block on Adult Swim. Average in adults 18-49 was 295K, which is actually better than 1/27/18 or 2/17/18. But take all this with a Mt. Lady-sized grain of salt, given Turner's priority on acquiring and growing fandoms over ratings. Plus, DBS just beat Family Guy in Adults 18-49 for the 5th week IN A ROW. That's pretty huge. 5/12/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention Family Guy 947,000 DBS 936,000 98.84% DBZKFC 734,000 78.42% MHA 578,000 78.75% FLCL 501,000 86.68% JoJo 497,000 99.20% BClover 450,000 90.54% HxH 397,000 88.22% Shippuden 377,000 94.96% Dandy 305,000 80.90% Bebop 316,000 103.61% GITS 287,000 90.82% AVERAGE 488,909 19th 5/12/18 - Adults 18-49 Show Total Viewers Adults 18-49 Family Guy 529,000 DBS 575,000 108.70% DBZKFC 433,000 75.30% MHA 354,000 81.76% FLCL 306,000 86.44% JoJo 307,000 100.33% BClover 272,000 88.60% HxH 243,000 89.34% Shippuden 229,000 94.24% Dandy 180,000 78.60% Bebop 171,000 95.00% GITS 169,000 98.83% AVERAGE 294,455 17th Edited May 17, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Dragon Ball Super re-enters the Top 25 in Live+3 18-49 for May 7-13: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/cable-live-3-ratings-for-may-7-13-2018/ That would be Episode 63, the one that aired on May 12th. It is currently unknown how well the episode that aired on May 5th did in Live+3. But as for May 19th, in Live+SD... DBS dropped BIG time in total viewers and adults 18-34, but somehow held steady in 18-49, as did all 3 shows that are currently considered cable originals. JoJo's time is wrong; it aired at 12:45 AM. And Kai did rise 0.03 in adults 18-34. But the big story just has to be NBA playoffs effectively skewing the color scheme on everything. Even so, looks like Super came in 4th, Kai 6th, and JoJo tied for 7th in 18-34 among cable originals, meaning that they all take on a green tinge. Edited May 22, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 CURSE YOU ROYAL WEDDING. I WILL GET YOU BACK. [somehow] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Dragon Ball Super re-enters the Top 25 in Live+3 18-49 for May 7-13: http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/dvr-ratings/cable-live-3-ratings-for-may-7-13-2018/ That would be Episode 63, the one that aired on May 12th. It is currently unknown how well the episode that aired on May 5th did in Live+3. But as for May 19th, in Live+SD... DBS dropped BIG time in total viewers and adults 18-34, but somehow held steady in 18-49, as did all 3 shows that are currently considered cable originals. JoJo's time is wrong; it aired at 12:45 AM. And Kai did rise 0.03 in adults 18-34. But the big story just has to be NBA playoffs effectively skewing the color scheme on everything. Even so, looks like Super came in 4th, Kai 6th, and JoJo tied for 7th in 18-34 among cable originals, meaning that they all take on a green tinge. DB Super didn't even get 900K. GEEEEZ. Is this a sign of the continuing decline in cable usage? Ratings r bad for me I know but it's like Pop Tarts. After some point you get into a different mood and think "eh I could go for some Pop Tarts!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 And REALLY?? THEY STILL DON'T CONSIDER MHA AS A PREMIERE!??!?! MY GOD! I wonder how long the royal wedding royalty screwed the ratings? Didn't they have the ceremony that MORNING??? How long was the whole broadcast!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 It doesn't look like the Royal Wedding affected Toonami much at all, since the ratings for the evening CNN slots dropped off quickly, but the NBA Playoff game definitely did. Even so, it seems the Toonami shows on the chart stood up to it admirably in adults 18-34. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 2 hours ago, elfie said: DB Super didn't even get 900K. GEEEEZ. Is this a sign of the continuing decline in cable usage? Ratings r bad for me I know but it's like Pop Tarts. After some point you get into a different mood and think "eh I could go for some Pop Tarts!" Considering Robot Chicken's latest premiere only got about 1 million viewers when that show used to easily score twice that much, I'd say the decline is getting even worse. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 Well, now you know why Turner hates these blasted Nielsen ratings, and why they think these should be abolished. It's a bit like trying to get rid of the Electoral College, except this time, the object of your hatred isn't directly screwing you over. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Blatch said: Well, now you know why Turner hates these blasted Nielsen ratings, and why they think these should be abolished. It's a bit like trying to get rid of the Electoral College, except this time, the object of your hatred isn't directly screwing you over. And another difference is that the powers that be ACTUALLY WANT to get rid of it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 22, 2018 Share Posted May 22, 2018 (edited) Wow, despite the weak start, the rest of the block actually showed pretty good resilience! At least it stayed out of the 300Ks and over 0.15 18-49! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-5-19-2018.html The Adult Swim line-up performed as follows: DRAGON BALL at the same 0.45/0.34 as last week, MY HERO ACADEMIA down 0.01 to 0.26/554K, FOOLY COOLY steady at 0.24/485K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE steady at 0.24, HUNTER X HUNTER up 0.03 to 0.24/480K, BLACK CLOVER up 0.03 to 0.22/440K, NARUTO up 0.03 to 0.21/415K, SPACE DANDY up 0.05 to 0.19/361K, COWBOY BEBOP up 0.04 to 0.17/333K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL up 0.03 to 0.16/327K. Keep in mind the average below is calculated differently. Most shows are multiplied by "2", and FLCL is divided by "3", and then the sum is divided by the number of 15 minute timeslots in the block (23). The results are thus: 5/19/18 - Total Viewers Show Viewers Retention Family Guy DBS 876,000 #DIV/0! DBZKFC 686,000 78.31% MHA 554,000 80.76% FLCL 485,000 87.55% JoJo 482,000 99.38% HxH 480,000 99.59% B. Clover 440,000 91.67% Shippuden 415,000 94.32% Dandy 361,000 86.99% Bebop 333,000 92.24% GITS 327,000 98.20% AVERAGE 494,043 18th Edited May 22, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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