Jump to content
UnevenEdge

The Toonami Ratings Thread 1.0 :You are on a new board


StarPanda

Recommended Posts

AS as a whole is losing viewers outside of Rick and Morty. They've used Family Guy as a crutch for years and even that isn't a sure thing anymore . That also sort of limits what Toonami can do.

 

Yes, but while AS and Cartoon Network are losing viewers, the issue is Toonami is losing even more. So you can't just blame cord cutting or weak lead ins for losing almost half your viewers in a year.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yes, but while AS and Cartoon Network are losing viewers, the issue is Toonami is losing even more. So you can't just blame cord cutting or weak lead ins for losing almost half your viewers in a year.

 

I agree with you 100%. I was just thinking it was a contributing factor. The lineup itself isn't bringing the viewers as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Maybe you should try comparing it to other anime as opposed to everything, because of course Netflix is gonna have it beat every time.

 

That's my point.  Netflix can air their anime next to stuff like The Punisher to raise its profile in a way Toonami simply can't.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Yeah, but Toonami doesn't air live action. Hell, since season 5 of Jack finished, they barely air Western stuff anymore. So while you're right in that the Punisher being on Netflix with a bunch of anime has Toonami beat out in appeal, it's still an unfair comparison compared to using Kuromukuro as an example instead.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, last Saturday night we had a perfect night in trending, but would that translate to higher ratings? The answer is: yes, and no.

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-23-2017.html

 

Final-Cable-2017-Sep-23.SAT_.png

 

9/23/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #19 (-10)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.33

Estimated 18-34 - 224,000 ( 28.61% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.30

Estimated 18-49 - 385,000 ( 49.17% )

Total Viewers - 783,000

 

9/23/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #10 (STEADY)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.50

Estimated 18-34 - 340,000 ( 41.11% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.38

Estimated 18-49 - 487,000 ( 58.89% )

Total Viewers - 827,000

 

9/23/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #13 (+1)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.47

Estimated 18-34 - 319,000 ( 43.11% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 62.43% )

Total Viewers - 740,000

 

9/23/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #18 (-6)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.42

Estimated 18-34 - 285,000 ( 43.05% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32

Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 61.93% )

Total Viewers - 662,000

 

9/23/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #30 (+3)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.25

Estimated 18-34 - 170,000 ( 37.44% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.20

Estimated 18-49 - 256,000 ( 56.39% )

Total Viewers - 454,000

 

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders hits a new high in everything but 18-34 and Lupin the 3rd hits a new low in 18-34. In fact, no "cable premiere" show in the SBD era (since 4/11/15) has posted a 0.25 or lower in 18-34--until today. Lupin finally has achieved that ignoble honor! While I really want Toonami to keep going with Lupin the 3rd and pick up the French Adventure (Part 5) when it's available (hell, maybe even boost it to a World Premiere this time), some measure of trepidation must be felt over Lupin the 3rd Part 4's low ratings. Gundam Unicorn bottomed out at a 0.27 18-34; hopefully this will be Lupin the 3rd's floor in Adult Swim's classic target demographic!

 

Hopefully Gundam IBO can help out the situation with its return and give Hunter x Hunter and Lupin a boost (not to mention JoJo before it), but I guess we'll know in 2 weeks!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

So, last Saturday night we had a perfect night in trending, but would that translate to higher ratings? The answer is: yes, and no.

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-23-2017.html

 

Final-Cable-2017-Sep-23.SAT_.png

 

9/23/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #19 (-10)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.33

Estimated 18-34 - 224,000 ( 28.61% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.30

Estimated 18-49 - 385,000 ( 49.17% )

Total Viewers - 783,000

 

9/23/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #10 (STEADY)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.50

Estimated 18-34 - 340,000 ( 41.11% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.38

Estimated 18-49 - 487,000 ( 58.89% )

Total Viewers - 827,000

 

9/23/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #13 (+1)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.47

Estimated 18-34 - 319,000 ( 43.11% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 62.43% )

Total Viewers - 740,000

 

9/23/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #18 (-6)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.42

Estimated 18-34 - 285,000 ( 43.05% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32

Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 61.93% )

Total Viewers - 662,000

 

9/23/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #30 (+3)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.25

Estimated 18-34 - 170,000 ( 37.44% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.20

Estimated 18-49 - 256,000 ( 56.39% )

Total Viewers - 454,000

 

JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders hits a new high in everything but 18-34 and Lupin the 3rd hits a new low in 18-34. In fact, no "cable premiere" show in the SBD era (since 4/11/15) has posted a 0.25 or lower in 18-34--until today. Lupin finally has achieved that ignoble honor! While I really want Toonami to keep going with Lupin the 3rd and pick up the Spanish Adventure (Part 5) when it's available (hell, maybe even boost it to a World Premiere this time), some measure of trepidation must be felt over Lupin the 3rd Part 4's low ratings.

 

Hopefully Gundam IBO can help out the situation with its return and give Hunter x Hunter and Lupin a boost (not to mention JoJo before it), but I guess we'll know in 2 weeks!

 

Not too bad this week

 

As for Lupin, I don't think they were expecting it to be great due to its original 2:00 AM timeslot. The staff just really loves the show just like they love Gundam. They may have gotten a really good deal on it as well just so it can get some TV exposure before its Disc release next year. I wouldn't count out Part 5 either! The block is having a hard time securing the rights to a lot of shows due to streaming competituion and Lupin may be one of the things that they can still get without too much of a problem!

 

Shippuden probably did a little better than Lupin, which will make it the 25th time it has beaten the show before it (I know this because a buddy of mine on Reddit likes to keep track of this and celebrate it every week in their ratings thread!  >:D )

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I dunno--a lot of people are looking forward to this dub!

 

Who was looking forward to Tokyo Ghoul, again? It was too Bleach-head to be edgelord and too edgelord to be Bleach-head!

 

(that said, I am re-watching Root A this week in anticipation of the finale this weekend, but I digress...)

 

But at least you know what you're getting with Gundam IBO!

 

Then again, AOT S2 didn't change anything, sooo...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I dunno--a lot of people are looking forward to this dub!

 

Who was looking forward to Tokyo Ghoul, again? It was too Bleach-head to be edgelord and too edgelord to be Bleach-head!

 

(that said, I am re-watching Root A this week in anticipation of the finale this weekend, but I digress...)

 

But at least you know what you're getting with Gundam IBO!

 

Then again, AOT S2 didn't change anything, sooo...

 

It'll probably just have a normal drop from Jojo. It could gain on it a little considering they've actually gone and promotd it more than a week out this time!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

89 percent retention for Jojo? Way better than normal. That monkey lusting after an underage girl must have created word of mouth.

 

Sad but probably true. Well, the monkey part is sad. The result, not so much!

 

We have more numbers:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-23-2017.html

 

"In animation for an older crowd, Adult Swim performed as follows:  DRAGON BALL Z up 0.02 to 0.38 and at 0.42/938K (the primetime editions down 0.06 to 0.30 and 0.21/583K), JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURE up 0.05 to 0.36, TOKYO GHOUL down 0.01 to 0.32, LUPIN THE 3RD down 0.01 to 0.20, HUNTER X HUNTER down 0.04 to 0.23/499K, NARUTO steady at 0.21/456K, OUTLAW STAR up 0.01 to 0.18/405K, COWBOY BEBOP up 0.03 to 0.20/442K, and ATTACK ON TITAN up 0.02 to 0.19/447K."

 

Putting this all together, we have:

 

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 583,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 783,000 (134.31%)

 

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 938,000

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 827,000 (88.17%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 740,000 (89.48%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 662,000 (89.46%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 499,000 (75.38%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 454,000 (90.98%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 456,000 (100.44%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 405,000 (88.82%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 442,000 (109.14%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 447,000 (101.13%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 587,000

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 0.21

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 0.30 (142.86%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT)

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 0.42

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.39 (92.86%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 0.36 (92.31%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 0.32 (88.89%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 0.23 (71.88%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 0.20 (86.96%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.21 (105.00%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 0.18 (85.71%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 0.20 (111.11%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 0.19 (95.00%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 0.27

 

Best numbers since the DBZ Kai marathon! The worst this week was Hunter x Hunter, believe it or not! And JoJo did even BETTER with its 18-49 retention, but those numbers shall be refined soon...

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And now, wrapping it up:

 

ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION

8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 267,000

8:30 PM Dragon Ball Super (NPOT) 393,000 (147.19%)

 

10:30 PM Family Guy (NPOT) 694,000

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 547,000 (78.82%)

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 491,000 (89.76%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 460,000 (93.69%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 412,000 (89.57%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 293,000 (71.12%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 263,000 (89.76%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 271,000 (103.04%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 233,000 (85.98%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 261,000 (112.02%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 246,000 (94.25%)

TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 347,700

 

http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-abc-continues-lead-prime-time-college-football/

 

CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES

Total Viewers

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 828,697 (33 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 1,025,706 (34 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 948,514 (35 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 664,250 (8 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 663,783 (23 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 762,358 (67 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 496,154 (13 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 827,282 (172 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 427,800 (5 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 410,000 (3 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 354,000 (9 episodes)

 

Adults 18-49

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 411,121 (31 episodes)

Dragon Ball Super (Toonami) - 620,029 (32 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 572,257 (32 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 407,250 (8 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 405,261 (23 episodes)

Hunter × Hunter - 455,209 (67 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 289,692 (13 episodes)

Naruto: Shippuden - 459,127 (155 episodes)

Outlaw Star - 251,600 (5 episodes)

Cowboy Bebop - 232,000 (3 episodes)

Attack on Titan Season 2 Rerun - 238,333 (9 episodes)

 

Adults 18-34 (Estimated)

Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres) - 263,484 (29 episodes)

Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters - 386,743 (32 episodes)

JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders - 278,714 (7 episodes)

Tokyo Ghoul - 274,909 (22 episodes)

Lupin the 3rd - 197,091 (11 episodes)

 

Nothing really of note, except Bebop keeps doing better every week, and Lupin is stuck until 200K 18-34, probably for good now. Super's average just keeps getting lower and lower, and I'd say it's quite possible no show's average will be in the millions by end of year (except Samurai Jack, of course, which is done.)

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's Tuesday, so did Toonami finish off September right? Well, sort of...

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-30-2017.html

 

Final-Cable-2017-Sep-30.SAT_.png

 

9/30/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8:30) #12 (+7)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.38

Estimated 18-34 - 258,000 ( 33.59% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.34

Estimated 18-49 - 436,000 ( 56.77% )

Total Viewers - 768,000

 

9/30/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters #10 (STEADY)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.44

Estimated 18-34 - 299,000 ( 38.38% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 59.31% )

Total Viewers - 779,000

 

9/30/2017 JJBA: Stardust Crusaders - #19 (-6)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.33

Estimated 18-34 - 224,000 ( 36.54% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.28

Estimated 18-49 - 359,000 ( 58.56% )

Total Viewers - 613,000

 

9/30/2017 Tokyo Ghoul - #18 (STEADY)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.36

Estimated 18-34 - 245,000 ( 40.63% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.28

Estimated 18-49 - 359,000 ( 59.54% )

Total Viewers - 603,000

 

9/30/2017 Lupin the 3rd - #26 (+4)

Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.33

Estimated 18-34 - 224,000 ( 42.91% )

Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.25

Estimated 18-49 - 321,000 ( 61.49% )

Total Viewers - 522,000

 

That's actually pretty huge for Lupin. Its highest 18-34 so far was 0.35, which means this is the 2nd highest! Still, nothing above 300K 18-34 or 500K 18-49 is pretty frustrating.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

What is DeMarco trying to accomplish?

Watching Jojo soil the sheets every week?

 

Maybe We'll get a super surprise and Toonami will get Black Clover....

 

That's what irritates me about the current state of the block. We are missing out on new things. We already missed the boat on MHA and will probably also do so for Black Clover because the block has no room until January unless they expand again. Meanwhile Funimation won't wait and they'll put it up on their service which means even if Toonami gets it it won't be a dub premiere

Link to comment
Share on other sites

That's what irritates me about the current state of the block. We are missing out on new things. We already missed the boat on MHA and will probably also do so for Black Clover because the block has no room until January unless they expand again. Meanwhile Funimation won't wait and they'll put it up on their service which means even if Toonami gets it it won't be a dub premiere

 

See?? Fans were complaining about too many shonen long-runners for a REASON.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

More numbers:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-30-2017.html

 

"On Adult Swim, the line-up was as follows:  in primetime, the DRAGON BALL episodes were up 0.01 to 0.22/600K and up 0.04 to 0.34, while in late-night, they were down 0.01 to 0.41 and down 0.06 to 0.36/779K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES fell 0.08 to 0.26 (incorrect; chart lists it correctly as 0.28), TOKYO GHOUL was down 0.04 to 0.28, HUNTER X HUNTER rose 0.03 to 0.26/603K, LUPIN THE 3RD was up 0.05 to 0.25, NARUTO was up 0.04 to 0.25/519K,  OUTLAW STAR climbed 0.05 to 0.23/470K, COWBOY BEBOP was up 0.03 to 0.21/444K, and  ATTACK ON TITAN ticked up to 0.18/418K."

 

Oddly enough, no total viewer number for the 11 PM Dragon Ball Super yet this week. So now we have:

 

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 779,000

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 613,000 (78.69%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 603,000 (98.37%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 603,000 (100.00%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 522,000 (86.57%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 519,000 (99.43%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 470,000 (90.56%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 444,000 (94.47%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 418,000 (94.14%)

 

And for 18-49:

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 0.41

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.36 (87.80%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 0.28 (77.78%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 0.28 (100.00%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 0.26 (92.86%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 0.25 (96.15%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.25 (100.00%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 0.23 (92.00%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 0.21 (91.30%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 0.18 (85.71%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 0.27

 

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It's gotten to the point where I'm not even surprised to see numbers like this anymore.

 

If it's any consolation, Toonami won't be cancelled.  If these numbers really were that terrible Adult Swim would have acted by now.  I wouldn't worry, for those of you that still do.

 

It’s all relative to how Family Guy does (which doesn’t rise high due to a weaker prime time ). We’ll see when PI comes out later tonight.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

More numbers:

 

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-9-30-2017.html

 

"On Adult Swim, the line-up was as follows:  in primetime, the DRAGON BALL episodes were up 0.01 to 0.22/600K and up 0.04 to 0.34, while in late-night, they were down 0.01 to 0.41 and down 0.06 to 0.36/779K, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES fell 0.08 to 0.26 (incorrect; chart lists it correctly as 0.28), TOKYO GHOUL was down 0.04 to 0.28, HUNTER X HUNTER rose 0.03 to 0.26/603K, LUPIN THE 3RD was up 0.05 to 0.25, NARUTO was up 0.04 to 0.25/519K,  OUTLAW STAR climbed 0.05 to 0.23/470K, COWBOY BEBOP was up 0.03 to 0.21/444K, and  ATTACK ON TITAN ticked up to 0.18/418K."

 

Oddly enough, no total viewer number for the 11 PM Dragon Ball Super yet this week. So now we have:

 

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 779,000

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 613,000 (78.69%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 603,000 (98.37%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 603,000 (100.00%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 522,000 (86.57%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 519,000 (99.43%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 470,000 (90.56%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 444,000 (94.47%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 418,000 (94.14%)

 

And for 18-49:

11:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 0.41

11:30 PM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.36 (87.80%)

12:00 AM JJBA: Stardust Crusaders 0.28 (77.78%)

12:30 AM Tokyo Ghoul 0.28 (100.00%)

1:00 AM Hunter × Hunter 0.26 (92.86%)

1:30 AM Lupin The 3rd 0.25 (96.15%)

2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 0.25 (100.00%)

2:30 AM Outlaw Star HD 0.23 (92.00%)

3:00 AM Cowboy Bebop HD 0.21 (91.30%)

3:30 AM Attack on Titan Season 2 0.18 (85.71%)

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE - 0.27

 

Downside: Kai started the block off weak. What happened to the 800K and 900K???

 

Upside: This is probably the steadiest retention rate I ever seen on this block in weeks!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

It’s all relative to how Family Guy does (which doesn’t rise high due to a weaker prime time ). We’ll see when PI comes out later tonight.

 

And sure enough Family Guy pulled in only 1.1 million viewers. Saturday is just weak overall and Toonami is paying the price.

 

Ratings are an issue, but I’m more concerned about Demarcos Ask.fm statement that acquiring shows for the block is getting harder and harder. That’s what’s going to do Toonami in, a lack of content

Link to comment
Share on other sites

And sure enough Family Guy pulled in only 1.1 million viewers. Saturday is just weak overall and Toonami is paying the price.

 

Ratings are an issue, but I’m more concerned about Demarcos Ask.fm statement that acquiring shows for the block is getting harder and harder. That’s what’s going to do Toonami in, a lack of content

 

That is probably due to streaming rights.

Toonami should go after just broadcast rights, which are much easier to get. Netflix doesn't give a damn about broadcast rights.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Raptorpat unpinned and locked this topic
Guest
This topic is now closed to further replies.
×
×
  • Create New...