Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Did he ever elaborate on the hows and whys? no but while - it's not necessarily - like we can't say with 100% certainty, the last year paints a pretty clear picture. To me at least. I mean - it was clear that after Lithium they were dead set on a message board. Because they actually had a deal in place, and they abandoned that because the entity couldn't produce a working message board as part of the package. My understanding is that's basically the only reason they abandoned that. So - at least at the start, they were pretty much sold on keeping a message board. I think the problems came when - first of all - when you shift software packages - there's going to be problems. There are going to be technical issues, and people aren't going to like it at first. So - none of that was really taken into account. They had execs poking their noses in and being all "artistic visiony" about it. Which - as soon as I first heard the phrase, I sensed we were in trouble. So - we had new software, that handled differently - a new layout, which nobody was going to like or want to use, and - on top of that, the switch coincided with basically the last of the admins being shipped off to other projects. So - none of the admins we previously knew were connected to the boards anymore. So we had entirely new people, that had no idea what the board was or what the community was or how it worked, basically completely changing the board and then - just - probably not happy with the reaction they got. I get the impression that - well there was a clear investment in an aesthetic. One that nobody wanted. And I think the perveyers of that aesthetic possibly tended to blame the users maybe? The only other option would be to - admit the aesthetic didn't work. Which is kind of like admitting failure. And in the past, that's kind of how things rolled. It was like "okay hey let's do this" "It's not working" "eh okay let's try something else". NodeBB was a complete departure from that. It, and the new admins, were basically "we're doing this, we're doing it this way, so suck it audience". And it didn't work. And I think - with Lazzo in charge, he - obviously, he's open to the boards existence, or he would have scuttled it back when he took over. But I think there were always, not just one, but multiple admins around to act as a buffer between Lazzo and the community to sort of provide the arguments for its existence. With all of the old admins gone, I think all that left was a combination of people who were so green they didn't know anything, and people who had clearly mishandled the project such that it probably would be easier to end it than to continue to wear it around their necks like an albatross (since they seemed unable to yield to changing it such that it could actually be successful again). So when the subject came up - it was probably like "well so what to do about this message board", the answer was "devote more resources to it/put somebody on it that can actually fix it" or something along those lines or "axe it and move on". And I think, with nobody left to make the cogent argument for the board, business-wise, there's not a lot of - room for speculation there to me in terms of - it's more like "why wouldn't they axe the board". There just was literally no reason not to. My take on it is that - I think Lazzo would have gone for a board if the switch had gone better and been handled better. Because - there was a commitment going into Nodebb to maintain a message board for Adult Swim. But to facilitate that, I think there probably needed to be some sort of voice there that no longer existed to suggest or point out the reasons for continuing to have a board. with no such voice, I don't think there was much room for a decision to continue it. It might have been different if there had been a Humbug or a Drew around to help it along. But without that, it was kind of just stuck in a ditch. And it could have been unstuck, but to do that, they would have had to put somebody capable on it. And I don't think they had anybody that wasn't otherwise engaged in other duties. so - I ultimately think it ended just because "wrong place/wrong time". That and the inability of execs to adjust to what users actually wanted. If there'd been a more of a spirit of commerce in the sense of - like instead of that rigid "this is what we're doing because artistic vision", more of an ability to go with the flow and adapt to the audience in order to expand the audience, it may have been different. But we had inexperienced project managers that didn't understand the board, at the worst possible time for that, coupled with fairly disastrous top down decision making that strangled board traffic. That's how I see it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 curiosity killed the cat on this question but did you ever take a screenshot of the mod board on lithium? i've always wanted to see what the old one looked like. it was pretty dull for the most part. when Lithium first started, it was super fun in there. We had lots of just - dumb posts about stupid stuff. But I think that started to evolve when admins became less and less available. Without an admin presence, mods were sort of starting to argue more. And also I think that led to more back-and-forths between mods and users. Which escalated to fairly disastrous proportions with the great Lithium board hax. With that - the mod board was deleted. Which - if it initially started out fun, and then gradually became a bit more contentious, after the deletion, it was pretty generally downcast, without quite the same life that either previous sets of conditions provided. I think the ghost of all the missing posts and SNs (retired mods and admins, all of whoms posts were then gone), helped contribute to a general lack of interest in posting on the mod board. Or - sort of a subconscious thing where it wasn't as fun or something. I think possibly that's also one of the contributors to the NodeBB fail, is - users were a bit bereft without the old board posts, including those from old users they missed that were no longer around. And admins kind of returned, and with that, sort of a return to initial moderating principles/standards. And we lost some mods and gradually over time, the boards just were advertised less and less, so - while my initial thought was "yeah things are kind of dull/morose atm, but it'll pick up again" it sort of never quite did. As the audience shrunk, fewer mods logged on just as fewer users logged on. So the mod board was generally much less active and thereby much less fun and/or interesting. And it just sort of continued along those lines I think til the NodeBB switch. Well, there was that one bit where they added the Helpers, that did make things fun again. But even then, the Helper board was always way more active and fun than the mod board. so it was okay, even up til the end. I mean, it wasn't awful or anything. But it was never quite as fun as it was those first years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Luuv asked if I wanted to get in his van and I complied you were one of my first people. You were in that group with Pat and Zintar and Viper and KN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Well, yeah, I thought about the thousands of us on there and how I had only come across most of you via the ASMB. In those 13 years, for better or for worse, I made some friends. Thinking about all those people I'd never have an interaction with again made my stomach sink. I mean, I met a real person from the ASMB...she was completely nuts, but hey, I wouldn't have known that or her if it weren't for the boards. Same with when Odin started his TinyChat room, talking to many people in real time, face to face... I dunno, I guess I left the ASMB with a lot unsaid and undone and I always expected it to be there, waiting for me, at my whim...and when it was gone, I realized I wouldn't ever get to speak my peace. yeah that was kind of how I saw it, was more perennial. Like it would just always be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsar4 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Knowing corpthink as I do, I would guess one of the questions asked was, "How much revenue are we generating off the boards?" and when the reply was given, either the follow up was, "How much could we make?" and/or "Why do we even have it then? Kill it". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 yeah that was kind of how I saw it, was more perennial. Like it would just always be there. Why didn't you message me and Buddy to come here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Know to come here?.......They've been begging me to come here.....Every IB morotard with their lips firmly clenched around Luuv's hog needs Babbling to come here because they want the beef, but wants to sit inside their houses and peer out the windows when it happens. They even sent Viper....FUCKING VIPER....to invite us here knowing all he wants is to show off his powers because on ASMB he had none other than the salty tears ability that kept him out of trouble. I knew about this a long time ago, but I wasn't going to bless them with my presence......Oh well, guess that ship has sailed, 2017 motherfuckers.....Hide your goddamned anus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 What's funny is.... the powers to be and those fucking fucks have been begging us to come here, and now we are bringing real fucking content they move it or delete it. Luuv, wants to fucking dick around? Lets fucking dick man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Why didn't you message me and Buddy to come here? His pussy was dripping wet and he wanted us, but he knew we'd come quick.....It's why I decided to let him play with himself for a bit before coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 curiosity killed the cat on this question but did you ever take a screenshot of the mod board on lithium? i've always wanted to see what the old one looked like. I can show you how reports used to get filed......It's always good to have some people in high places when Luuv has power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I can show you how reports used to get filed......It's always good to have some people in high places when Luuv has power. LOL!!! That dude fucking nutted you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Fuck that dude....He got drummed out from here too....Obviously I'm not the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawdamizer Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Fuck that dude....He got drummed out from here too....Obviously I'm not the worst. Realistfaggot was a bitch... speaking of bitches? Where is Icarus and Pinky at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Why didn't you message me and Buddy to come here? at the time I was looking for testers for a media type board and so the people I approached were people I thought might be into that. I have no problem with pretty much anybody from ASMB posting here, but it didn't seem like something you'd be into. is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Know to come here?.......They've been begging me to come here.....Every IB morotard with their lips firmly clenched around Luuv's hog needs Babbling to come here because they want the beef, but wants to sit inside their houses and peer out the windows when it happens. They even sent Viper....FUCKING VIPER....to invite us here knowing all he wants is to show off his powers because on ASMB he had none other than the salty tears ability that kept him out of trouble. I knew about this a long time ago, but I wasn't going to bless them with my presence......Oh well, guess that ship has sailed, 2017 motherfuckers.....Hide your goddamned anus. I'm basically the only power that be for this place. And the only instruction I ever gave anybody about anything was "invite whoever you want". If I knew the board was going down, I probably would have tried to sneak a link in so everybody could find it. you know who I was thinking about yesterday? Packard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enad Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I'm basically the only power that be for this place. And the only instruction I ever gave anybody about anything was "invite whoever you want". If I knew the board was going down, I probably would have tried to sneak a link in so everybody could find it. you know who I was thinking about yesterday? Packard. I suppose someone has to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 His pussy was dripping wet and he wanted us, but he knew we'd come quick.....It's why I decided to let him play with himself for a bit before coming. so - you're mad because - of - i don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Realistfaggot was a bitch... speaking of bitches? Where is Icarus and Pinky at? realistme is around (I think). that was actually the one and only issue we had on the Proboard before moving to SMF. Was realistme stuff. And then she/he said they weren't coming back and I said I thought maybe that was a good thing. And then they came back and were like "okay ima just lurk because u suck" and then they - started posting again. Not sure what happened after that. haven't really noticed them around. I sincerely hope Pinkfrog doesn't come here. Icarus I don't care. I still don't really get why everybody didn't like that guy. I guess I get why the Trump supporters didn't like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enad Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Icarus is too busy having meltdown facebook fights with his Trump-voting family members to hang on message boards anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 so - you're mad because - of - i don't get it. Mad?.........C'mon, after all this time you should know how I operate.....But if you still don't, we can always do this dance again........I've seen you break man, I know you can and will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 Mad?.........C'mon, after all this time you should know how I operate.....But if you still don't, we can always do this dance again........I've seen you break man, I know you can and will. I'm not the best dancer unless i super super focus. And I'm not in a focusing mood. so I'm just gonna phone it in and hope people don't notice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 it was pretty dull for the most part. when Lithium first started, it was super fun in there. We had lots of just - dumb posts about stupid stuff. But I think that started to evolve when admins became less and less available. Without an admin presence, mods were sort of starting to argue more. And also I think that led to more back-and-forths between mods and users. Which escalated to fairly disastrous proportions with the great Lithium board hax. With that - the mod board was deleted. Which - if it initially started out fun, and then gradually became a bit more contentious, after the deletion, it was pretty generally downcast, without quite the same life that either previous sets of conditions provided. I think the ghost of all the missing posts and SNs (retired mods and admins, all of whoms posts were then gone), helped contribute to a general lack of interest in posting on the mod board. Or - sort of a subconscious thing where it wasn't as fun or something. I think possibly that's also one of the contributors to the NodeBB fail, is - users were a bit bereft without the old board posts, including those from old users they missed that were no longer around. And admins kind of returned, and with that, sort of a return to initial moderating principles/standards. And we lost some mods and gradually over time, the boards just were advertised less and less, so - while my initial thought was "yeah things are kind of dull/morose atm, but it'll pick up again" it sort of never quite did. As the audience shrunk, fewer mods logged on just as fewer users logged on. So the mod board was generally much less active and thereby much less fun and/or interesting. And it just sort of continued along those lines I think til the NodeBB switch. Well, there was that one bit where they added the Helpers, that did make things fun again. But even then, the Helper board was always way more active and fun than the mod board. so it was okay, even up til the end. I mean, it wasn't awful or anything. But it was never quite as fun as it was those first years. i wasn't around for the heyday of the tiki room. i think i first got there around the time that rumpranger and whizzy quit. and i didn't really watch AS at the time so it was like "ok my folder is dead, how do i contribute" and i didn't find that i could so that's when i started fucking around with banners and stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naraku4656 Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 I can show you how reports used to get filed......It's always good to have some people in high places when Luuv has power. man i was never one of the cool kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 1, 2017 Share Posted January 1, 2017 man i was never one of the cool kids You can't bullshit a bullshitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 you were one of my first people. You were in that group with Pat and Zintar and Viper and KN. What number invitation was I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwimModSponges Posted January 2, 2017 Share Posted January 2, 2017 Also Mad?.........C'mon, after all this time you should know how I operate.....But if you still don't, we can always do this dance again........I've seen you break man, I know you can and will. Luuv thinks you're angry because you're a black man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Crapshot is a good guy. I remember him saying that he didn't see color and I think Sly called him racist because of it. That was Sly's favorite thing to do. Yes, sly's favorite thing was being right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 man i was never one of the cool kids RealistMe getting pawned by fuggs, yet again. That chick was hella dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enad Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Hopefully some users, like Crapshot and Farnsworth, never set foot here. I wonder what ever happened to Crapshot. I haven't thought about him in a long time. I thought he was an alt for that guy who went to prison for a while there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I liked crapshot. He knew how to psychoanalyze people completely wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enad Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Yes he was a student of people in the way that only mid-level spectrum anime fans could be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Also Luuv thinks you're angry because you're a black man. It's why I changed my avatar to Charmander.......Maybe I won't come off so angry.....Well, until I evolve into Charizard....Then I'ma burn everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePirateKing Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 Someone on the staging boards linked to the old unevenedge boards, and those linked to here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 And he was so earnest too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 What number invitation was I? i dunno. there wasn't really an order. I mean, there was a small initial group of people that I thought could help and would be into the idea. then I let people on my FB know just to get some people posting on it to test it out. and just as I came across people on ASMB that I thought would be good people in some way or other to test stuff out, I PMed. so once I got to the ASMB phase, I don't really remember what order people got asked because it was more or less random "oh hey there's that dude how bout them?" type stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derackthehunter Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I went to log in one day and it was down, asked Saw and he sent me a link to the staging boards. Kept having password issues so I was never able to log in, I'd try it every couple of days and then one day it was gone. At that point I was talking to fuggs and she sent me the think for here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DragonSinger Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I got past the login by clicking the search button. That would automatically bring up the actual login screen and let you enter your info. And I came here from the other prototype site which had its own link posted on the staging boards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I went to log in one day and it was down, asked Saw and he sent me a link to the staging boards. Kept having password issues so I was never able to log in, I'd try it every couple of days and then one day it was gone. At that point I was talking to fuggs and she sent me the think for here. You couldn't log in from the staging boards link. You had to first log in to the main website and then click the staging boards link. Not like any of that matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derackthehunter Posted January 5, 2017 Share Posted January 5, 2017 I never had a issue before but yeah doesn't matter now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPM Jr. Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Magic. Because elves make my cookies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vercaties Posted January 9, 2017 Share Posted January 9, 2017 Googled to see if there was any other ASMB copy cats out there, then came across a link on Reddit to this place. When I got to the front door they wanted 100 Meatwad bucks so there was that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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