Admin Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 so, should we or shouldn't we unban Zeni and TIC now? or should we wait a bit more? It'll be awhile before we switch to IPB, IF we switch to IPB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Unban them both, warn them if they repeat behavior, if they repeat the behavior they were banned for banish them to Dumpster Fires, I'll take care of them > Seriously, make the only board they can see be Dumpster Fires if they continue their shenanigans > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 I second. The minute they step over the line, they're in the fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Orrrr how about we acknowledge the fact that both of them have been total shitheads for more than a decade and keep them out of our collective miseries forever? What is this, "Fool me 791 times..."? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Bring back zeni, keep tic banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 so, should we or shouldn't we unban Zeni and TIC now? or should we wait a bit more? It'll be awhile before we switch to IPB, IF we switch to IPB. if you want but reban them if they immediately go back to their old behavior (which they will) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 if you want but reban them if they immediately go back to their old behavior (which they will) lol, Ticc will on post one ::]:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Unban zenni but tell him if he makes on motherfucking OKC thread he's getting banned again TIC If we are keeping bucket here I guess just unban him too bUT if he crosses the line again he out too......again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kudasai Posted June 22, 2017 Share Posted June 22, 2017 Yep but both must be kept on a very short leash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 23, 2017 Share Posted June 23, 2017 Both return to the formal glory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger_Jules Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't see why you even banned Zeni in the first place. You kept Stilgar and he acts far worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 25, 2017 Author Share Posted June 25, 2017 Left up to me alone, I would probably not have banned zeni or tic either one. In both cases, they were an ongoing community problem in the sense that they were the subject of multiple (often daily) reports from different users (not just one or two with an axe to grind, though they had those as well). They each had several people making arguments for why they should be banned. Neither one responded to warnings issued to stop doing some of the stuff that was causing all that. TIC responded okay to PMs, but then would turn right around and ramp up the behavior. Zeni just didn't respond, and didn't change anything up. In both cases, it had grown to more of a community-wide disruption rather than a snakes nest of individual personality conflicts with other users which are generally more contained to the threads they pop up in. In other words, a lot of threads were being made on the board just to perpetuate their user feuds on top of everything else, it became difficult to just view/enjoy the board without the open leaking sores of their personal drama present all over the thread list. Dumpster Fires became kind of like their personal folder, they made so many threads that were duplicates, bad to begin with, and/or degenerated into DFs that the DF folder was basically all them and their threads. And at some point, things do add up. I mean, while I'm still not sold on content bans, I can't ignore when somebody points at the DF folder as proof of the size of the disruption that a user seems to be exerting upon the boards. That's what ultimately swayed me. Was just all of those things combined. They were banned more for the weight/breadth of their maliciousness and/or ignorance (whichever it was, though I strongly suspect some combination of both rather than one or the other), than for the content of their posts. I don't think any other user anybody might have a personal grudge/bone to pick with even comes close to their level of general disruption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I don't see why you even banned Zeni in the first place. You kept Stilgar and he acts far worse. If Stilgar lusts after teenagers, he keeps it to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Neither one responded to warnings issued to stop doing some of the stuff that was causing all that. TIC responded okay to PMs, but then would turn right around and ramp up the behavior. Zeni just didn't respond, and didn't change anything up. Zeni is a legend Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mewn Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Just rename the forum Dumpser Fire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 keep them banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Bring em' both back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted June 27, 2017 Author Share Posted June 27, 2017 So I think I'll lift the bans over the weekend. I want to see how the server thing works out this Friday. Then I'll catch up with some stuff after that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger_Jules Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So I think I'll lift the bans over the weekend. I want to see how the server thing works out this Friday. Then I'll catch up with some stuff after that. Good because truth be told, Zeni is not really disruptive. He's just a contrarian. Contrarians are going to disagree with you, especially if everyone else agrees. I'm something of a contrarian myself and I don't participate in fads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 So I think I'll lift the bans over the weekend. horrible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Good because truth be told, Zeni is not really disruptive. He's just a contrarian. Contrarians are going to disagree with you, especially if everyone else agrees. I'm something of a contrarian myself and I don't participate in fads. He spams the same bullshit in every thread, much of which involves acting like an ephebophile. That's not being a contrarian, that's being a creepy asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quebecelegy Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 unban zeni Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Oh shit it's going down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 How 'bout we do a trade ban Viper and bring back Ticc and Zeni ::]:: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mthor Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 We don't have to ban him. We can just staple his hands into oven mitts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 How 'bout we do a trade ban Viper and bring back Ticc and Zeni ::]:: I'd rather trade top_gun and cac for zeni and tic Since they bitch the most now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 I'd rather trade top_gun and cac for zeni and tic Since they bitch the most now no you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 no you You my little man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornshire Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Personally, We don't feel Zeni should have been banned in the first place. Granted, We are only vaguely aware of the final tipping point moment that culminated in his ejection. With more details, We could easily be swayed; It's not as though We think the ban was wholly unjustified. But given what's been said here about the ban being more the result of the constant day-to-day behavior as opposed to any one single action, Our initial assessment stands. Tic, on the other hand, more or less deserved it. It would have been a trivial matter to go on ignoring his constant shit posting, but his ban gave Us no pause. Full disclosure, though, the biggest difference between the two is that not once did We find Tic amusing. That being said, We see absolutely no reason to reverse course on either decision. At the crux of the matter is that the punishment they were handed down was for, in essence, not being able to change their ways. Sure, people can change, but in actuality, they seldom do. Unless you have very good reason to think either have been affected in some way, it stands to reason to leave things as they currently are. That's Our opinion, for what it's worth. Which, seeing how it was given after you've already come to a decision it seems, can't be much. On a further note, We find it odd that you would pose this question so openly. General consensus is terribly whimsical, and as such, not particularly suited for regulating a code of conduct. When you have a system where the answer to questions like "Why was I banned/not unbanned?" is, if we're being totally honest, "You weren't popular enough." that is the height of unfairness. You really should have some guiding principals that determines, or at the very least a framework that suggests, the answers to these sort of questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 You my little man i'm not little though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 i'm not little though. That's not what she said last night Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAC Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 That's not what she said last night oh you meant in that way, I was born to disappoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Keep Tic banned, unban Moose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 Luuv should just send tic and zeni a link to viper's forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'd rather trade top_gun and cac for zeni and tic Since they bitch the most now yeah man basic social standards suck balls don't they Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'd rather trade top_gun and cac for zeni and tic Since they bitch the most now Nope love me some top gun and cac Zeni and Ticc for Viper or forget the whole thing > Viper told me I got Luuv's cock down my throat when the only reason I sword swallowed Luuv's knob was so he could get it wet enough to shove it up Viper's ass. See, I was helping. ::]:: > 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginguy Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 yeah man basic social standards suck balls don't they I'll let you in on a secret, there is absolutely no desire to even attempt to establish any kind of basic standards of conduct. In fact, when it is attempted, the person(s) attempting to do so are admonished. Just sit back and enjoy the show, the popcorn is free, buttered and popped in coconut oil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 29, 2017 Share Posted June 29, 2017 I'll let you in on a secret, there is absolutely no desire to even attempt to establish any kind of basic standards of conduct. In fact, when it is attempted, the person(s) attempting to do so are admonished. Just sit back and enjoy the show, the popcorn is free, buttered and popped in coconut oil. Coconut oil? Get the hell out of here with that shit It's popping oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaBarney Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'll let you in on a secret, there is absolutely no desire to even attempt to establish any kind of basic standards of conduct. In fact, when it is attempted, the person(s) attempting to do so are admonished. Just sit back and enjoy the show, the popcorn is free, buttered and popped in coconut oil. Guy with Trump icon who once explicitly posted "black lives don't matter" cries about basic standards of conduct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'd rather trade top_gun and cac for zeni and tic Since they bitch the most now We should trade you for Zenicore. Because shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 We should trade you for Zenicore. Because shut up. I'll trade toonami for a pod 6 folder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 I'll trade toonami for a pod 6 folder Why do we even have a toonami folder anyway? Oh yeah, it's because toonamites are whiny bitches and hate to interact with anyone, especially themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 Or hey maybe it's that, and hold on because I know this is a wild concept, having dedicated folders for topics a substantial chunk of your userbase wants to discuss is how forums have operated since they were first conceived. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilgar Posted June 30, 2017 Share Posted June 30, 2017 And we all see how popular forums are now a days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest squirrelygod Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 If you could ban Zeni again, that would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 profile>modify profile>buddies/ignore list>edit ignore list>add screen name of user you wish to ignore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest squirrelygod Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 Except you still have to see that the insipid shit stains threads, and their titles, so that shit doesn't really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest squirrelygod Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 You know what, fuck this, someone can tell me on steam or something when that fuckstain is gone. Until then I'm deleting this bookmark and gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted July 2, 2017 Share Posted July 2, 2017 profile>modify profile>buddies/ignore list>edit ignore list>add screen name of user you wish to ignore. This is not moderating Luuv. Half your userbase shouldn't have to ignore a single problem user. If someone only contributes garbage to a community, you remove them from said community. Period. Like seriously, how did you spend almost 15 years at the ASMB and still not figure shit like this out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Posted July 2, 2017 Author Share Posted July 2, 2017 So, you're saying it's pretty clear that the community is of one single mind regarding Zeni? because - I'm not seeing/reading exactly the same things you seem to be seeing/reading. I would say overall, I'm not super happy with the results thusfar. If I end up having to do the exact same thing, and constantly clean out FFA of all the zeni threads, and DF fills up with Zeni threads again, and people are complaining a lot about it, he may get banned again. But it will take more than Squirrely throwing a toddleresque temper tantrum and the same handful of users that I already know despise zeni hammering at me to ban him. I know you hate zeni. I have that data. Thanks for the info. Feel free to report threads and stuff like you normally would. We'll see what happens. But if/when something goes down again with Zeni, it'll be because of a confluence of events and supporting data, not solely because a user that doesn't like him pitches a fit, or another user that doesn't like him insults me and/or my skillset. I try to be patient with stuff like that, but just have had my fill of it lately. I'm aware that Zeni can be a drag on the board. I'll be watching all the data, reports and PMs and traffic, the content and volume of his posts, the drain he places on board maintenance, looking at all that as things move along. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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