brianycpht

It shows that the holiday thing doesn't matter if you air something people want to watch. Not many other networks took the weekend off. All my wife's usual Sunday night shows aired new episodes as usual.

Yeah I remember the sudden shift on 3/10/08 where people's TV guides we not even reflecting the change. They had just finished a E7 weeknight run and we're just starting a final weeknight run for Champloo. Then later that year we lost Toonami and we had anime premieres at 5AM! They also lost a ton of rights that year and I think the way of doing business moving forward changed. It seemed they picked up shows for unlimited reruns for a set number of years and then it seems they went to a model for either less time or single airings. The exceptions seemed to be FLCL and Bebop.

Because the Jack marathon was a good send off. But its asking a lot for people to come back for the 4th or 5th showing of it.

The promo has been done since Momocon but you're right. I just don't see why they won't air it if it's ready

I did have a mild curiosity about it back in 2000 2001. At the time I was curious as to why some of the shows that I liked were taken off the air Toonami or otherwise. I was curious as to why things like reboot we're getting the umpteenth run while things like Thundercats and Ronin Warriors were taken off the block. I remember sitting on my computer and my dad walked into the room and was like "Are you reading about viewer demographics?" It seemed that even with weeknight anime they were very guilty of showing the same shows (usually FMA, Inuyasha, and Gits). In 07 when they finally started changing it up, it got yanked.

You know whats funny. I never followed ratings until ASA/Toonami. The network made such a big deal about it in their bumps that I started paying attention. They conditioned us to care!

Why haven't we seen a Lupin promo on air yet? With it being at 2am it needs all the help it can get!

They basically let a company (TOEI), who have no idea how TV works in America push them around in order to get this show. I feel like AS was in the power seat and could have said, "Hey guys you want it on TV at all ?". I'd wage to say that Kim Manning and Jason Demarco know more about how to make anime a success on TV than any executive at TOEI. Even so, Suoer isn't doing "bad " in either showing, but its the cascading affect that the rest of the night suffers from. As for Jack, they got complacent. They had a hit and they thought they could get away with this. The bets thing they could have done is stick a rerun later in the block and just let FG have back 11, but to them it was more important for Toonami to keep 11. Maybe there is a reason for that, I don't know. They obviously do not have faith that Super can bring in viewers at 11 either. My issue is that we lost the back end in 2015 because of bad programming choices. While Jack was an amazing show, people do not come back for reruns of a serialized action show on a once a week block. While it doesn't cost them anything extra to air Jack and it probably didn't do bad on its own , it's damaging enough to everything else. As far as the bumps go, I've noticed that they basically stay the same throughout each "season" until the next lineup change. Only expect them to chance about 3-4 times per year.

How could they have not seen this was going to be a bad idea? This isn't Toonami's fault. Get rid of Jack or stick it on the back end. We all liked it and enjoyed it, but it's not meant for being at the front end of the block anymore.

I'll wait for Owlchemist to post, but all I have to say is , "You guys like those Jack reruns ?" C'mon guys learn from your mistakes of 2014/15! http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-6-3-2017.html

Remember those 2 shows probably make more money for the network than the others do. I really feel like AS benefiting financially on the TOEI Super deal somehow because of how much TOEI values a TV partner and Jack is all theirs (with sponsorship deals) so they are trying to make as much as they can off it while they can. Hopefully the money made from those 2 offsets any loss in ratings for the rest. It's possible Lupin came cheaper than other things (maybe they will heavily promote the DVD release) hence why 2AM is fine with them. There is a bunch of financial things we're not privy too and can only speculate, but on their end everything is looking good.

This situation with Jack and Super will keep the block from having great ratings most likely. The network has to understand what this is going to do. I think whatever deals they have financially with those two are (in their minds) offsetting the rest of what the block is doing. Simply put, they are making enough money off of those 2 in order to not care about a little loss elsewhere in the block. If it REALLY tanks though. Jack is easily moved since it's totally their property.

I only think that we'll see more of this unless they are willing to move HxH. I rather like the idea though of the 2AM show being something a little older or something that's dub has been available for a while.

That's the only thing that makes sense. I mean, the Wed night encores weren't exactly lighting the world on fire with the ratings. I get that it is incredibly successful, but you can only show something so many times before people get tired of it. Especially with having Sunday and Saturday airing the series in different ways. This isn't like Family Guy where you can just spam it all over the schedule. Let's hope for some kind of surprise at Momocon tomorrow. For all we know, we could get a schedule shakeup on June 17 with Lupin and something else .

Geez talk about overkill with Jack. Why are they also rerunning it at 11?

I know what you mean Ben. I have finally begun to admit to myself that currently, Toonami isn't exciting me anymore, save for a few shows. A few years ago I watched the whole block live every week, now I have half of it sitting on my DVR not watched. I'm not really really not Dragonball anymore, Gundam Unicorn lost me, I've seen these Shippuden and GiTS episodes already. I mostly watch for Jack and HxH, but now one of those is gone. Lupin excites me a little though. The atmosphere of the block (it's presentation) isn't to my liking much anymore either. I really miss "Now/Next/Later" because they were just part of what made Toonami Toonami. It felt like such a integral part of the presentation and made the block fun while showcasing a lot of good music.You can say Guides make them obsolete, but you can say the same thing with "Coming up Next" bumpers as well. The bumps aren't updated as much as they used to be I would also much prefer more goodies over the topicals we've been getting too. Just my thoughts.

At the Momo Con in 2015, they announced both Mitchiko and Hatchin which would come 3 weeks later AND Akame Ga Kill which wouldn't come until August. Depending on what other conventions they plan on doing this summer they mayor may not announce anything show wise. They could give us a better idea about when FLCL is coming or details about this year's TIE. I doubt they would announce a new show for next week there either. They may or may not announce what is happening after Titan which is in mid-late July. Yeah, I'm waiting to see if they intend on rerunning ALL of Jack at 11. It's very possible a surprise show shifts the DB hour to 11 and the Jack rerun moves down. Toonami may not be wanting to give the 11:00 back to the fat man right now. I've gone down this road before, but do you think they'd be crazy enough to premiere Rick and Morty Saturdays at 11? I seriously doubt that, but you never know. I think it would be better on Sundays personally.

They have to announce SOMETHING at Momocon, I hope it's not a case of it originally supposed to be just Lupin, but TMS beat them to it! I feel like Unicorn was a forced acquisition from Sunrise at this point in order to get Gundam. They must have had to have a multi show agreement. Theres no way they picked this up thinking it would do well with casuals, its way to hard to follow. Mob Pyscho is the unknown quantity here. It topped the Demarco poll but has yet to show up despite #2 AND #3 now on the block. They probably are reassessing what they want to do wirh Gundam and Jojo. I'm almost positive Stardust and IBO2 are already paid for at this point. Now they just have to find where a good spot is. I think we are keeping the 11:00 slot with Jack as a placeholder for now in order to keep it for Toonami's use down the line when they need it.

Oh yeah I forgot you don't like that show! Even though you don't like it, do you think it'll don better than Ghoul is there?

It may, they weren't afraid to do it with Unicorn . We may even see HxH move up to 1 if they don't want to put Lupin there

I'm really curious if FUNimation is just going to release episode 6 dubbed on their site this week despite Toonami taking a week off. I've asked them twice on Twitter and gotten no response. I really hope for Toonami's sake they have it in their contract that they have to run it before they can post it.

Jman about summed it up. It would be wise in the future for Toonami to not have something (Ghoul) that is available fully dubbed on Hulu or Netflix(a lot of people have at least one of those). I mean, if it's on FN or illegal sites, that's one thing because it's not as widespread and easily accessible. I'm having a hard time convincing my wife to not just blow through that show on Hulu and continue to watch it once a week until October It seems that high rating for Jack do not translate to high rating for Super, so in all likelihood, rerunning Jack wont have as much as an effect as we may think. There isn't much compatibility between the viewership bases already (if there was, the rest of the block would be doing great). If anything, there just won't be this massive drop. The trick in the future with any original productions will be making something that has wide range appeal and cross over with the anime viewers. It's not going to be FLCL, which will do great with the anime crowd, but not the general populace.

Oh yeah you're right . Sorry I had an airhead moment.

Ghoul will be over by then too. They'll probably do a Lupin or "whatever show comes after Titan" marathon around Halloween.

I just think that, for whatever reason, right now, the dub of IBO2 isn't quite ready. We've seen certain actors say they are done recording, but it's possible others haven't yet. There are a lot of in demand actors on that show and if one of the key characters hasn't finished then their hands are tied. They could've intended to air it originally on 6/17, but if it wasn't ready, they just went with the next show they had in the cannon. Seems like Lupin was a done deal for a little while based on Discotek's tweet. This is one of those instances where I believe we don't necessarily need to be kept in the dark about. It's basically just more episodes of an existing show, not even a new series technically. It wouldn't really be that earth shattering of an announcement, which is why I'm surprised it just wasn't mentioned in the upfronts. I'm sure we'll find out soon enough but it would be very strange if Toonami didn't air it.