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And the way our luck will go, ratings will start picking up around that time as people finally get used to Toonami at 11. I personally think that they should leave it for an extended time to give it a chance to work. This will also be the time where a marathon is going to occur every 4 weeks which also throws people off! Maybe we'll get lucky and just lose one Super and one Rick on the front end. The Titan thing could be a limitation on how many DBZs can run a night as well. It was originally announced as nine episodes. The 7/4/15 marathon according to Preflight had a similar reason for having a Titan rerun at the end!

I have a feeling that Shippuden is going away after Pain. I don't know why I think this but if they are ever going to clear the deck for new stuff then they have to take something away, especially something that is years behind the dub releases and stands little chance of finishing on the block. I also think they want Boruto and unlike the Dragonball situation will probably not want 2 Naruto franchises on the block. If they go past Pain then there isn't really a good stopping point after that.

Somewhat related news: According to the backdoor schedule it looks like the DBZ KAI Marathon will only feature 8 episodes. Attack on Titan will still run at 3:00 with Jack at 3:30. I think its plausible that the following week they double up on Titan in preparation for the annual loss of the 8pm hour. I'm predicting that we lose a slot and the block shifts down a half hour after that's done (the other lost slot being the 2nd Super rerun). We lost 8pm on October 1 last year so I think tis safe too assume we will at this point as well. We'll see and I hope I'm wrong, but we may have just expanded briefly in order for them to get their money out of Titan Season 2. EDIT: After making a mock schedule, there's still the matter of what they do with one more slot (Jacks old slot). Maybe my theory is completely off base. I am really curious to see what ends up happening to Toonami once we do lose that hour though!

Well I mostly meant the timeslot thing, but you're not wrong about Supers quality either! There needs to be a better way of picking shows. Maybe these ratings will tell them something. Please no Mob, MHA, or Fairy Tail. It's too late for those shows and the majority of people who wanted to see them have already. I'm sure Ghoul was on the request list for about 2 years when it was picked up. It probably would've done great then. But now it's too late. They really need to get something that is on the verge of becoming popular in Japan before the US has already streamed it to death.

How did anyone think this Super deal would work out favorably? The DB fans have never been the most loyal but it did increase audience potential. Now you have given them an excuse to stay away from Toonami all together. Then you release Kai TFC on Blu Ray all at once giving those same fans a reason to avoid that show too. There's talk on the Kanzenshuu forums of how they wish Super could just go to Funimation Now so they don't have to put up with Toonami's slow schedule. Apparently they've dubbed up to the Goku Black arc and they think it's Toonami's fault they can't see those yet. Plus they are praying that Funimation starts simuldubbing the current episodes and just putting them online as well. Little do they know TOEI

You mean end Toonami? Doubtful. They still have Super, HxH, FLCL 2/3 that'll take them into 2019. Plus we are probably getting Boruto and the inevitable One Punch Man season 2 and SAO3 whenever they happen. There's a lot of things that can still come to the block. I do think the block should drop Shippuden after Pain (end of September) . That can open up the door for more classic stuff to come to the 2am hour (or we put Lupin/Jojo there and plug in a new show earlier )

Next summer round this time should be interesting. Kai, Jojo ,and Gundam will be done and gone and HxH will enter its final year . They'll really have to figure out what shows are going to carry Toonami foward .

That's the problem. They took a big risk with Jojo and with no big things coming that can fill the timeslot they are stuck with it. Nothing from later in the block can really move up to 12 and fix the problem either. Shippuden might hold DBZ better, but the part it's at right now is going to be a long stretch of episodic filler. Unless they are secretly working on the dub to Boruto and that's coming soon, then I don't know what they can do.IBO isn't the answer either as that couldn't hold midnight either. The night starts out real low due to how prime time is configured and it makes that first large drop that much more painful.

I don't know what they put there instead. That's the problem they are having I suppose. It might be too late for HxH to be on earlier since it's audience is established already and I'm not sure a bunch of new viewers will flock to it now. besides sliding the whole block back again, I don't know how they deal with Jojo's performance.

I'd love for Jojo to dip into the 500s. How low will AS tolerate for a midnight show?

Why the hell did they keep that "Finding the Dragon Balls scene?" They could have at least cut it down significantly. They are missing the whole point of Kai. Im not expecting great things either. Multiple things this week probably are just not connecting with the audience. That Naruto filler won't help the back end at all. I'm sort of resigned to the fact that this is what we are going to get from now on with the Saturday schedule that we currently have. The only thing that's gonna treally boost things up in the beginning is if they stick more FOX stuff before Family Guy. Really curious to see what they do with 3:30 after Jack finishes up

Yeah, we'll see shes going through her DVR of Hallmark movies and reality shows that she built up over the summer. By the time that clears out, maybe the dub will be up on Hulu. Aniplex seems to be pretty cozy with them so its strange that neither that nor KLK is up anywhere yet. I think not having the option to immediately and easily watch the next episode broke up the interest a little.

Get used to this because it happens a lot. They put random episodes set during original Naruto days in the middle of fights. It's almost like they do this so people who watch later can just skip it. It's obvious they were buying time. This is why I think Toonami should drop Shippuden after this arc because it just becomes painful.

If only he didn't eat that entire bag of candy first

Like Shippuden filler bad?? Thanks for the heads up.

Of all the movies they could show, it makes sense to air this one since I'm sure it ties into the main story somehow. Unless they decide to pull a DBS and make a Ordinal Scale arc in season 3 . Aniplex likes to keep these things to themselves usually to protect disc sales, but it would be cool to see.

Yeah, for the second arc. It reveals Asuna's in a coma but trapped in a fairy game when you don't know that until the end of the episode and it show Yui comes back episodes before it happens. It also shows Leafa and sort of hints about her true identify as well. For SAO2 the opening shows Kirito as a girl 4 episodes before it happens too. It sort of ruins a pretty fun twist. For a lot of other shows on Toonami she hates how the theme to Tokyo Ghoul showed the white haired Kaneki WAY before it happens. But in general she hates OP/ED and thinks they are too long, even Toonami's cutdown ones. Doesn't look like Netflix has the dub either. That's too bad. Blue Excorcists dub showed up on both pretty fast after Toonami lost the rights

They don't really help their cause with those prices. Too bad Toonami doesn't show movies anymore. Especially if its a bridge between seasons..(Or maybe it isn't I don't know what its about)

What you don't want to pay the Aniplex tax? I saw that thing for preorder $89.99 on Blu ! That's insane for a movie. It probably has some cool extras but still...

I like it! I'm afraid that the more ratings stagnate, the more conservative they'll be with their choices which defeats the point. As far as Black Clover goes, it would be cool if Toonami could jump on that before it reaches MHA levels so they can ride the wave if it blows up. Considering FUNimation dubs dozens of shows a season, you would hope that they would have a few in mind for Toonami. I see on their twitter every time a new simuldub episode releases. I've never heard of any of them either. With all the effort going into dubbing these shows, you think FUNimation would welcome Toonami giving them a chance to be seen more widely. Some of these shows could stand to be big hits even if they weren't in Japan.

The issue with Crystal is that its already a few years old and on Hulu with its dub. However, what's strange is that Viz is releasing the second season straight to disc without it going to Hulu. Its possible that it makes the jump to Toonami later on (I think that with Toonami and Viz being cozy now it probably will at some point) , but six months worth of the show has already been out for 2 years, so we may have a similar situation to Tokyo Ghoul. The other issue could be that something like that will appeal to mostly women, but not men, it being a Shojo series. I think you have the right idea though. They need to find something similar to SAO that has elements that attract both the male and female viewers. Perhaps something that's new, has action with a little romance, featuring strong male and female characters. A story that hooks people and keeps them coming back week after week to find out what happens next. I honestly have no idea if such a show exists that's new or about to be released. Preferably something that isn't so popular that the sub streaming doesn't compete with it. Something that Toonami introduces to the masses. THERE TOONAMI.... GO FIND THAT SHOW!

I'm going to chalk up the Gundam and Jojo thing as some long term deal they had to make in order to secure the rights to the franchises. Sunrise was notoriously hard to deal with and I figure they had to make the commitment. Same with Jojo. It's the only way it makes sense. Unfortunately it went and tied a portion of the block down and stoppped them from getting new stuff. But it was a gamble that these would be huge and they just haven't been. I can't see them picking up more of these franchises with the way they performed before. The thing with Super unfortunately is a mess made by parties that only care about that shows exposure and not about how it affects the rest of the block. Look what happened when they tried to make 11 the premiere. We can only hope that whatever toys TOEI needs to sell doesn't and they resign themselves to just trying to make the show do well. It just irritates me that Toonami isn't reaping the benefits of this show. But I agree. There are outside forces affecting the block, but it's time to start looking inward and control what they can.

Wasn't he just here last week talking to us? What a blow ?

I think they missed the boat on Sailor Moon as its already available for streaming audiences. However, we need to go back and find some newer shows that appeal both to male and female audiences. 2015s lineup of Kill la Kill, Sword Art, Michiko and Hatchin, and Akame had very strong female leads and its easy to see how they had mass appeal over stuff like Jojo, Gundam, and Lupin. You need shows that have strong character relationships, interesting concepts and a bit of light humor. On top of that, you need to find relatively newer shows that people haven't already seen or heard about in order to give them incentive to check them out. Super does well for the 8:30 timeslot which really irritates me as Toonami should be reaping the benefits of this show and its not.

Thanks, its good to get other peoples perspectives on an entire series. I never sat down and watched it they way she is watching it as I mostly saw it here and there on Toonami but a never straight through binge of it. She basically thinks right now the show reached its natural conclusion and had a perfect "ending" and didn't really see where they could possibly go from there besides the further "what do we do now that we are both back in the real world" stuff. One thing she hates is people telling her anything about what is going to happen in a show or knowing anything. For that reason she skips OPs because the show too much of the plot before the show gets to it. So for that reason I basically showed her the Toonami trailer for season 2 and that's it. A few people at her job also told her that there were "controversial" parts in season 1 but literally went right past them without batting an eye. Main problem currently is that she doesn't do subtitles and there is no season 2 dubbed on Hulu which is strange because Toonami already lost the rights to it so you think it would be on there by now. Same with Kill la Kill.