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Maybe we can get that trending?

I'd wager to say that the guys at Toonami know more about how to successfully run anime on TV in America than TOEI does. It's a totally different business model over there that is primarily merchandise driven. Also now we've hit the point where Kai isn't a dub premere anymore. We'll see if that has any effect

While I want to wait and see what a non NBA night looks like, I have to say this is what I was afraid of. Jack did great as usual despite it being on at the same time as the game. The 12:30 AM timeslot just is not a good slot anymore, especially for a premiere as big as Attack on Titan. The Super rerun has been down, which bleeds into Kai being down as well. This situation with Super is hurting things IMO. The 8pm has been siphoning away more of the target demographic, which may not hurt as much we think, but it does affect things. Attack on Titan should have gone to 11:30. It would probably hold the Jack viewers well. I believe for whatever reason, they weren't allowed to do that because of TOEI stipulations in regards to Super's timeslot. If that's the case, they can't really do much until Jack leaves. But if Titan can't hold or beat Kai, the network might not see the value in doing that and consider it too risky t move to the front. Kind of a catch 22, give a show a bad timeslot and the only way it gets a better one is if it does well in said bad timeslot! Again, I hope TOEI isn't the reason that Aot couldn't get 11:30. If so, I'd say it's a lesson to AS about giving too much control to a third party when it comes to programming decisions. I hope you guys sell a lot of toys! If not, please just accept it for what it is and let AS handle the timeslots. Considering the cost of getting Aot as a fast simuldub, it deserved a lot better treatment than this.

Very realistic. I was looking at TVBTN and it does the weeknight weekly averages for how AS does against the late night shows. The 11:30 timeslot is averaging about 1.2 mil/ 0.5 18-49 and the 12:30 is averaging 900k/0.4 18-49. This represents the whole hour in comparison to things like Fallon/Colbert and Seth Meyers/ James Corden. To me, that seems way down from before. Putting that in perspective, I don't think Toonami is doing bad for a Saturday, which is always been slightly less

It's possible that they can get the HD tapes at a later date. Kinda similar to when they had to re up Bebop with FUNimation. They used the old tapes for awhile still. It's kind of weird to think that they have tapes of all their old shows just sitting there, but aren't allowed to play them! Whether this ever comes back on TV is another story. Either way, it's an exciting thing that they went out and got the rights back for this, even if it's just for streaming. Maybe Outlaw Star is next.... ;D

Whoa! Looks like Sentai came through for them! Wonder if this is a one time deal or they really have rights to the whole series again?

It appears that Funimation and Toonami are working together on this with Funimation helping to promote. I feel that they either won't take a break or if they do Funimation will delay as well.

They're actually posting the dub at 10 PM EST the Sunday (next day) after Toonami airs it! https://www.funimation.com/blog/2017/04/12/announcement-attack-titan-season-2-dub-joins-funimations-spring-season/ That's why I was concerned that any delay on Toonami's part would put them behind this if Funimation keeps going.

I was actually talking about Memorial Day. I was wondering if Toonami was going to preempt AOT and if they did, would Funimation still post as scheduled leaving Toonami a week behind. Since Funimation seems to really be promoting the TV airing, I'm leaning more in the direction of that situation not being as likely. I either think they won't preempt or Funimation will have to delay their posting until Toonami airs it. Otherwise, it seems odd that Toonami would hurry Jojo out in order to start a week earlier. They really want this thing airing as close to Japan as possible.

The fact that they're pushing the Toonami broadcast leads me to believe that they'll preempt on their side if Toonami does for the holiday. On the other hand, the agreement might not allow for a preemption in order to keep pace with Japan.

That's actually a good idea. Maybe for whatever reason they don't get those for Super. The only reason I say they would for AoT, is that there is precedent for it with season 1 having done it. Demarco said in his interview with Toonami Squad that they would make topical for things they make or things they have a heavy financial investment in. I'd imagine Titan cost more than the average show due to the nature of getting it so soon after Japanese broadcast. They could have waited a few months and let FUNimation put it out first and picked it up later, but they saw an opportunity to get it first and probably paid for the privilege. FUNimation was willing to compromise and wait until the next day to post it and maybe even that brief exclusivity cost them as well. As I was talking about last time, I wonder how tight the production schedule on this is and if they can even get a topical made in time for the next week. With Space Dandy, Toonami, FUNimation, and the Japanese production company had made plans ahead of time to pull it off and they mostly used Texas actors (I believe they used some LA actors in minor roles like Bryce and Johnny, but that may have been by luck in having them around at the right time). Titan has actors both in Texas and LA and can only imagine the logistics that need to be worked out with that. (at least technology as come a long way for that!). I remember an interview with Bryce where he really didn't know if they could pull off a simuldub due to these issues. That being said, I'm sure topicals would need a little more lead time than this may allow. I hope this doesn't happen, but delays could cause hiccups in production and possibly force the show to take a week off. That of course depends on how many episodes ahead they are. Maybe Memorial Day would allow them to breathe a little bit. I wonder if Toonami moved up the premiere because FUNimation wanted to post the episode a week before their original premiere date?

I'd imagine they are because it probably cost them a lot. Since they don't have to do Sandwhale anymore, it frees up some promo time. The only hiccup is if the dub falls behind and don't have time to make one. The recent promo and its lack of dialogue leads me to believe that they are coming down to the wire on this one.

Think they would consider Sandwhale a success?

All those decisions that have to be made is why I don't envy the programming department. Keeping 11pm is a toss up. They could slide everything forward, giving the 11pm hour to Dragonball, they could try AOT in that hour as well. They don't like to mess with the lineup too much. But we've seen cases before where shows that are doing well move up, so if AOT does great, then who knows?

I think Stardust is still a certainty. If they're smart, treat it like a new show. It's fresh, somewhat modern, and will probably mostly be devoid of funny accents. Run a promo similar to the one Toonami Faithful made in 2015 that outlines the main plot and sprinkle some of the humorous moments in there. Just don't throw in any clips of Jotaro calling his mom a the "b word" as it might turn off some viewers. : )

Do you know why TVBTN no longer gets the full cable ratings? Or why Programming Insider (they seem to do it for AS on Saturday but not other nights of the week) or Showbuzz don't post them? Does anybody else?I wish I could compare Toonami's performance to other nights of Adult Swim.

I really hope that we don't get Jojo numbers for Attack on Titan. This series should be able to hold Kai better and maybe even gain on it. They paid a lot of money to get this I'm sure if we get similar drops like we've been getting, they may never do anything like this again for us. I don't mean to rag on Jojo, which still didn't do bad and had similar drops to other 12:30 shows, but I think the level of expectations for a show like Titan are higher considering the likely cost.

Now I'm really interested in what Toonami and Funimation do about Memorial Day. If Toonami preempts, will Funimation? Is it worth it to get further behind Japan and possibly even behind the dub release? I guess all that will have to be taken into consideration. They didn't preempt Space Dandy during the 4th or Labor Day because they wanted to be the first to premere it. They even briefly moved it back to 11:30 for the one week. I think it's important to try and keep pace and not be potentially 5 weeks behind Japan and possibly 2 weeks behind Funimation (although it's possible there's a deal in place to prevent this). I guess they'll have to decide if the holiday factor outweighs the possibility of getting behind.

That's true. I suppose that would affect Funimation's simulcast schedule. I was just concerned that they would plow ahead whether Toonami takes a break or not. They may have a broadcast deal that lets Toonami air it first before their allowed to post it though. At least if I was in Toonami's position, I'd push for that kind of deal.

Just thought of something, do you guys think if Toonami doesn't run Titan on the 2 holidays, Funimation will post on schedule leaving Toonami behind? That would suck for them to potentially lose some of the audience that way !

That's a shame if they do it for Joseph. I just can't see him the same way if he doesn't sound British! It sort of changes the character IMO. Why'd they other having Epcar do it in the airport scene? It sounded pretty good.

I hope they keep the accent. It's not Joseph to me without it!

Yeah that out of the park scenario is the only way I see Toonami going away. If there was a total coup and staff turnover. That's one great thing about AS, for the most part, the original people are still in charge of the network. I don't see it being the same if they weren't! I always assumed that Demarco or Manning would be Lazzo's successor if he ever left or retired, which like you said, would only benefit Toonami!

That's why you're the statition around here! Sounds pretty good to me all things considering! That's why is important not to put so much emphasis on comparing the exact numbers from a year ago since the potential audience was overall larger. I guess it's their job to figure out how much of the audience erosion is due to cable being down and how much of it actually relates to the programming.I wish we could see the numbers for the weeknight lineup. I'm curious as to how AS is doing overall. The only thing that I worry about (the only way I see this happening ) is if AS viewership continues to decline and somehow Lazzo. Manning, Demarco and others leave the network and people take over who do not care about the block. I actually had a bad dream the other night that they replaced Toonami with BBT reruns like on TBS! Talk about a nightmare!

Man this week it said AS viewership was down 28% from last time year,. That being the case, I guess 750k is the the new million!