Dan Da Dan premieres on Toonami July 26 12:30

[viperxmns]

 

[Jman]

The newest episode was #3 on the Netflix Top 10 behind only Squid Game and Sullivan’s Crossing, but it feels like DeMarco really missed the party.  I mean it’s on Netflix and Crunchyroll.  And did a few million for a theatrical preview of S2.  

[OwlChemist81]

Showing up to the party at 2 AM is still showing up!

[Top Gun]

Duuuude. Block is lit. 

[Toonamiguy321]

Well, that is unexpected and impressive. The hottest new shonen on the market picked up only 9 months  after its original premier. Didn’t think Toonami still had the power to do that. 
 

Im sure Crunchyroll is absolutely seething that Toonami grabbed the show, as I assume they took the back route and went to GKIDS for it. Nice to know Toei isn’t the only one willing to sidestep Crunchyroll. 
 

If Bleach and Blue Exorcist keep marching on after their seasons end, we got a solid rest of the year ahead of us. 

[Sketch]

CR didn’t have it exclusively so they probably don’t care just like they flat out told staff not to promote it because it wasn’t exclusive.

Not sure if Toonami went to GKIDS or MBS directly for this deal but either way new partnership unlocked! I’m more excited about that then DDD itself.

It’s a great addition but I’m not that excited since it’s streamed 3 places already and was a same day dub for all 3. Imagine if Toonami could have joined the party last year. That would have been awesome. But nah it’s season 1 while everyone else gets season 2.

People said it was too popular and expensive to get but I felt it was a matter of time because they don’t know when to give up and it was an open license deal. They probably just had to wait till it was more affordable and/or they could convince the licensors they would promote it correctly and be able to get all the necessary approvals for using clips in packaging. Which was something Jason went into detail on during our interview. The same interview where he name drops Dan Da Dan directly as something people have been asking for. Which would reasonably suggest they weren’t able to get it but clearly that is no longer the case.

I guess we’ll see if people will watch it once a week on Toonami or immediately realize they can watch the rest on a service they already subscribe to. Seems like that already happened with Bleach.

[PokeNirvash]

4 hours ago, Jman said:

The newest episode was #3 on the Netflix Top 10 behind only Squid Game and Sullivan’s Crossing, but it feels like DeMarco really missed the party.  I mean it’s on Netflix and Crunchyroll.  And did a few million for a theatrical preview of S2.  

Hey, at this point, I don't give a shit if we get sloppy seconds, or even sloppy thirds. The fact that we even got it at all is satisfying enough.

[Toonamiguy321]

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

CR didn’t have it exclusively so they probably don’t care just like they flat out told staff not to promote it because it wasn’t exclusive.

They care. It may not be exclusive but they don’t want Toonami to have anything, so them being able to sneak away a couple shows (pretty high grade ones at that) will definitely rub the Toonami haters on their board the wrong way, and that’s a good thing. 
 

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

It’s a great addition but I’m not that excited since it’s streamed 3 places already and was a same day dub for all 3. Imagine if Toonami could have joined the party last year. That would have been awesome. But nah it’s season 1 while everyone else gets season 2.

We really need to be realistic with what we expect from the block these days. The days of having a dub 2-3 weeks behind its release are gone and they aren’t coming back. The simple fact it’s not a rerun alone is a big deal. 
 

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

People said it was too popular and expensive to get but I felt it was a matter of time because they don’t know when to give up and it was an open license deal.

It just further drives home that Crunchyroll is the core problem. Toonami can get the job done when either Crunchyroll is not involved, or someone higher up the license food chain is willing to put Crunchyroll in check. Prior to 2020, Dan Da Dan would not generate any surprise as a pickup as most viewers would have expected it as an inevitability. 
 

The audience really needs to focus in on Crunchyroll specifically when shows don’t air. Because that’s clearly where about 95% of the problem is. 
 

1 hour ago, Sketch said:

I guess we’ll see if people will watch it once a week on Toonami or immediately realize they can watch the rest on a service they already subscribe to. Seems like that already happened with Bleach.

I’d rather the block be decent that worry about ratings. AS completely torpedoed their viewership share for Toonami from Jan-May, and as usual, these dumb marathons don’t help either. If AS didn’t give enough of a shit to stock the block and keep the audience, I don’t care if the shows they did get do well or not. I do care that we have a solid 90 minute chunk of anime on Saturdays again. And assuming BE and Bleach continue on to their next seasons, we will keep that solid 90 minutes till fall. 

[Mr. Idea Box]

Welp, guess this explains why Daima got an extra episode on the 19th. Dandadan doesn't have exactly 13 episodes.

But seriously, I'm also happy Toonami got this show in the first place. Pun intended, but that takes balls of steel.

[Sketch]

2 hours ago, Mr. Idea Box said:

Welp, guess this explains why Daima got an extra episode on the 19th. Dandadan doesn't have exactly 13 episodes.

But seriously, I'm also happy Toonami got this show in the first place. Pun intended, but that takes balls of steel.

It does takes balls to both get it and air it given some of the content but it's Adult Swim so it shouldn't require edits.

3 hours ago, Toonamiguy321 said:

They care. It may not be exclusive but they don’t want Toonami to have anything, so them being able to sneak away a couple shows (pretty high grade ones at that) will definitely rub the Toonami haters on their board the wrong way, and that’s a good thing. 
 

We really need to be realistic with what we expect from the block these days. The days of having a dub 2-3 weeks behind its release are gone and they aren’t coming back. The simple fact it’s not a rerun alone is a big deal. 
 

It just further drives home that Crunchyroll is the core problem. Toonami can get the job done when either Crunchyroll is not involved, or someone higher up the license food chain is willing to put Crunchyroll in check. Prior to 2020, Dan Da Dan would not generate any surprise as a pickup as most viewers would have expected it as an inevitability. 
 

The audience really needs to focus in on Crunchyroll specifically when shows don’t air. Because that’s clearly where about 95% of the problem is. 
 

I’d rather the block be decent that worry about ratings. AS completely torpedoed their viewership share for Toonami from Jan-May, and as usual, these dumb marathons don’t help either. If AS didn’t give enough of a shit to stock the block and keep the audience, I don’t care if the shows they did get do well or not. I do care that we have a solid 90 minute chunk of anime on Saturdays again. And assuming BE and Bleach continue on to their next seasons, we will keep that solid 90 minutes till fall. 

Would it really tick them off that Toonami got DDD now when it was already on Hulu and Netflix which are much bigger threats to CR's business? I suppose they would still be annoyed Toonami got anything hot thinking they could keep the block in destitute due to CR's monopoly of the industry. You'd think if anything they'd be mad that Aniplex still makes deals with Adult Swim seeing as that's a sister company.

Yeah I get it, getting a dub a few weeks to a month after streaming isn't in the cards anymore but that's exactly why we'd all rather see something that isn't already popular right? Something Toonami could actually introduce to people? A few popular shows is good and arguably necessary but not when it's all they go after. But I will say getting DDD within a year is much better than say getting JJK or Spy x Family now. We absolutely should be satisfied with Toonami getting a show less than a year after it streamed. So when I see people say "why bother with Daima now?" when it hasn't even been a year I'm roll my eyes. I'm not saying getting Daima and DDD is pointless, I'm just not as excited about them as I would have been 3-6 months ago.

Business is complicated and I don't want to just assume CR is being THAT petty but if MHA showing up on Anime dot com's block and a bunch of CR shows going to Hulu and Netflix doesn't say Toonami is the only venue they don't want to do business with I'm not sure what more would prove it besides them flat out saying it on the record. Though I did once talk to some CR reps at AX who were complaining about Hulu (mainly about how they weren't promoting anime) and when I brought up the suggestion to get Yu Yu Hakusho and Outlaw Star onto Toonami Rewind they didn't exactly seem enthused. Might mean nothing because they were just marketing people but it's kinda sus nonetheless. Meanwhile in Latin America CR is loading up Adult Swim with Freiren, Spy x Family, Haikyuu!, Apothicary Diaries, Black Clover and more of their big titles and I think they're also putting those shows on HBO Max. Quite a stark contrast.

True, ratings mean basically nothing now so the focus should be on putting on the best shows they can. I just can't help but be less excited about shows that are already hits coming along no matter how good they are, especially if I already watched them once or more times. I think the Toonami audience will enjoy DDD a lot so that's great but now the most worthwhile part of Toonami for me is 1AM-2AM whereas before Daima I was locked in 12AM-1:30AM. Daima is fun but I don't really feel like watching much of it again.

Also the guy I usually watched Toonami with will want watch Daima but probably not rewatch DDD to get to Bleach. So while this lineup is arguably better I'm both less inclined to watch it and less inclined to talk about the shows on the podcast but feel somewhat obligated to do both.

Despite all that I am happy Toonami didn't miss out on Dan Da Dan and I like to see them prove to CR that they don't even need them to put on a great block. IMO they should talk to Hulu about getting the TV rights to a bunch of their anime licenses which would be another stab at CR. And if they could get a deal going with Sentai for 1 or 2 simuldubs acquired a year that would be fantastic.

[Toonamiguy321]

2 hours ago, Sketch said:

Would it really tick them off that Toonami got DDD now when it was already on Hulu and Netflix which are much bigger threats to CR's business? I suppose they would still be annoyed Toonami got anything hot thinking they could keep the block in destitute due to CR's monopoly of the industry. You'd think if anything they'd be mad that Aniplex still makes deals with Adult Swim seeing as that's a sister company.

I don’t think it amounts to anything tangible, just whoever has such a hateboner for Toonami over at Crunchyroll having a new thing to agitate them. The simple fact the block got a show away from their vice grip is enough. It changes nothing, but it’s a spiritual victory. 
 

3 hours ago, Sketch said:

Yeah I get it, getting a dub a few weeks to a month after streaming isn't in the cards anymore but that's exactly why we'd all rather see something that isn't already popular right? Something Toonami could actually introduce to people? A few popular shows is good and arguably necessary but not when it's all they go after. But I will say getting DDD within a year is much better than say getting JJK or Spy x Family now. We absolutely should be satisfied with Toonami getting a show less than a year after it streamed. So when I see people say "why bother with Daima now?" when it hasn't even been a year I'm roll my eyes. I'm not saying getting Daima and DDD is pointless, I'm just not as excited about them as I would have been 3-6 months ago.

I mean, I have been a loud advocate for them moving away from super popular stuff for many years now. I’d love to see them take a route less traveled, but I have also come to accept them probably never will. And since we got a taster this year that they will happily air NOTHING, my tolerance for predictable shonen has gone up a lot. 
 

It also helps that I still instinctively avoid shows I feel like might make the block. I don’t know a single thing about this series aside from the fact that it was really popular last year. So it’s certified new to me. 
 

3 hours ago, Sketch said:

Business is complicated and I don't want to just assume CR is being THAT petty but if MHA showing up on Anime dot com's block and a bunch of CR shows going to Hulu and Netflix doesn't say Toonami is the only venue they don't want to do business with I'm not sure what more would prove it besides them flat out saying it on the record. Though I did once talk to some CR reps at AX who were complaining about Hulu (mainly about how they weren't promoting anime) and when I brought up the suggestion to get Yu Yu Hakusho and Outlaw Star onto Toonami Rewind they didn't exactly seem enthused. Might mean nothing because they were just marketing people but it's kinda sus nonetheless. Meanwhile in Latin America CR is loading up Adult Swim with Freiren, Spy x Family, Haikyuu!, Apothicary Diaries, Black Clover and more of their big titles and I think they're also putting those shows on HBO Max. Quite a stark contrast.

So much time has passed without a Crunchyroll show airing without outside influence forcing it to happen, it’s really hard not to arrive at the conclusion that it’s a direct issue between AS and Crunchyroll. Our last non sequel Crunchyroll show was Gridman at the start of 2021, and I’m pretty sure that still carried Funimation tags when it aired. 
 

I do agree that it seems very strange to have such direct and petty beef going on with a barely relevant cable block. You’d think Demarco personally goes to the head guys house and urinates on his dog or something to warrant a feud like this. 

The only realistic theory I can come up with is that Crunchyroll wanted renegotiate the contract with AoT, and they took it VERY personal when AS didn’t agree. 
 

At the very least, if the fanbase would call out Crunchyroll, it would put the ball in their court to do something to squash the “rumor”. It’s just every time we get a schedule update, there are people in the comments confident that MHA S7 is right around the corner when it isn’t. 
 

3 hours ago, Sketch said:

True, ratings mean basically nothing now so the focus should be on putting on the best shows they can. I just can't help but be less excited about shows that are already hits coming along no matter how good they are, especially if I already watched them once or more times. I think the Toonami audience will enjoy DDD a lot so that's great but now the most worthwhile part of Toonami for me is 1AM-2AM whereas before Daima I was locked in 12AM-1:30AM. Daima is fun but I don't really feel like watching much of it again.

Fair enough, because I know exactly what that feels like, prior to the schedule woes settling in I was so sick of the lineup constantly being so predictable since all they ever shot for was popular stuff. Most of the shows weren’t bad, I was just longing for that wow factor of something truly unexpected. 

I guess I just got really beaten down by Jan-May. The first few months was 1 show, then there was no shows, then back to 1, and even during that 1 period I often didn’t even want to tune in because why bother for just one show? So getting back to 3, and having pretty solid confidence it’s gonna stay at 3 until at minimum the leaves start falling, is a pretty substantial upgrade from my perspective.