smiradenius Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 How long do you expect the longshoremen strike to last? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PenguinBoss Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Until the election is over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted October 2 Author Share Posted October 2 What happens after the election? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Probably a lot longer than however long you’ll be posting here 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 I will admit I haven't been keeping up with this much at all, but on my way home, happened upon DL Hughley's take on it and he's like "I understand not wanting your job automated, but you can't just stop the means of commerce and distribution. Just keep working until negotiations are done and if you don't like it, then stop working" Truly spoken like an idiot with no idea how the real world works.... negotiations will NEVER end of they are still doing the job. THEN he goes on to say that by not working, they are paving the way for automation. Like bro....just stfu. I know you want your wife to continue to be able to buy shit with your money so you can pretend to be a loving and attentive husband, but these are real world issues...you went from broke to balling....you have no idea how it is for workers who have to protect their interests and incomes. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 hours ago, André Toulon said: I will admit I haven't been keeping up with this much at all, but on my way home, happened upon DL Hughley's take on it and he's like "I understand not wanting your job automated, but you can't just stop the means of commerce and distribution. Just keep working until negotiations are done and if you don't like it, then stop working" Truly spoken like an idiot with no idea how the real world works.... negotiations will NEVER end of they are still doing the job. THEN he goes on to say that by not working, they are paving the way for automation. Like bro....just stfu. I know you want your wife to continue to be able to buy shit with your money so you can pretend to be a loving and attentive husband, but these are real world issues...you went from broke to balling....you have no idea how it is for workers who have to protect their interests and incomes. He is correct. If a job can be done more efficiently, more safely and more cost effectively through automation, then it will inevitably be automated. Consumers are the ultimate decider, not the workers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 2 hours ago, ZoomBubba said: He is correct. If a job can be done more efficiently, more safely and more cost effectively through automation, then it will inevitably be automated. Consumers are the ultimate decider, not the workers. If that's the case, then the workers are right too. We are about to be broke. Fuck y'all, we gotta find new jobs....wtf do they care about commerce if they can't buy shit 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, ZoomBubba said: He is correct. If a job can be done more efficiently, more safely and more cost effectively through automation, then it will inevitably be automated. Consumers are the ultimate decider, not the workers. How quaint, a neoliberal Democrat. If one needs to spend money to survive in a society, and the jobs and wages aren't there, then the population will inevitably collapse. Immigration can only stife this problem for so long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 3 hours ago, ZoomBubba said: He is correct. If a job can be done more efficiently, more safely and more cost effectively through automation, then it will inevitably be automated. Consumers are the ultimate decider, not the workers. Workers have only so much leverage, and striking now is the only play when, as you say, automation becomes inevitable. Continuing to work when negotiating isn't buying time for the workers, it's buying time for the docks and funding automation advances at the same time. The thing is, we're about to see a drop off in some imports as global instability catches up to the supply chain. The West Coast, which just recently went back online after a slow down in the previous years, hosts a more sustainable pipeline than the East and Southern Coasts; there is a very small window to strike before the shutdown permanently affects the supply chain on the Eastern Seaboard and makes any negotiated contract moot. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 24 minutes ago, André Toulon said: If that's the case, then the workers are right too. We are about to be broke. Fuck y'all, we gotta find new jobs....wtf do they care about commerce if they can't buy shit It’s not really a “fuck y’all” but more of a do something or not do something about those displaced. Some can be trained or placed in different roles within the same field, some will need to be supported until they find a new career and some will just not be able to do anything else. You can try to make the companies keep the workers until they retire and not fill their positions, but that just puts the burden on the consumer. These sort of disruptions are not new, especially in manufacturing. Consumers paying less outweighs the benefits of relatively few workers who will fall through the cracks. That’s just how it is. If we blocked production technology we’d still be waiting for our turns at the blacksmith and facing food shortages because we’d be having to rely on people to flail wheat and pick corn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 10 minutes ago, Insipid said: How quaint, a neoliberal Democrat. If one needs to spend money to survive in a society, and the jobs and wages aren't there, then the population will inevitably collapse. Immigration can only stife this problem for so long. Hmmm … someone saying “neoliberal” and a not-so-well-veiled hatred of Democrats. Wonder who this could be? Imagine it stars with an “N” and ends with my “Ignore User” button. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 (edited) 21 minutes ago, ZoomBubba said: It’s not really a “fuck y’all” but more of a do something or not do something about those displaced. Some can be trained or placed in different roles within the same field, some will need to be supported until they find a new career and some will just not be able to do anything else. You can try to make the companies keep the workers until they retire and not fill their positions, but that just puts the burden on the consumer. These sort of disruptions are not new, especially in manufacturing. Consumers paying less outweighs the benefits of relatively few workers who will fall through the cracks. That’s just how it is. If we blocked production technology we’d still be waiting for our turns at the blacksmith and facing food shortages because we’d be having to rely on people to flail wheat and pick corn. Ok, that's why they are striking. Automation can't roll out tomorrow, but these guy can indeed be back to work tomorrow. If they keep working the docks, then they are just padding time for the automation to roll out. In order to protect THEIR interest, they are putting a halt on shit. And you're right .....some are going to fall through the cracks, but you can't expect these guys to just fold up and work with termination inevitably looming. The end game is likely exactly as you say but DL's shut up and work mentality isn't on these guys top 10 list of shit to do....and it shouldn't be Edited October 2 by André Toulon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
André Toulon Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 5 minutes ago, ZoomBubba said: Hmmm … someone saying “neoliberal” and a not-so-well-veiled hatred of Democrats. Wonder who this could be? Imagine it stars with an “N” and ends with my “Ignore User” button. Swing and a miss 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[classic swim] Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 11 minutes ago, ZoomBubba said: Hmmm … someone saying “neoliberal” and a not-so-well-veiled hatred of Democrats. Wonder who this could be? Imagine it stars with an “N” and ends with my “Ignore User” button. Don’t pull an Icarus. Benji was mostly fair to you. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 Just now, [classic swim] said: Don’t pull an Icarus. Benji was mostly fair to you. Well, if they talks like Nabs and sounds like Nabs, I’m not interested in any sort of discussion. “Neoliberal” and equating Democrats to Republicans is just a sign of bad faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_lost_username_ Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 12 minutes ago, André Toulon said: Ok, that's why they are striking. Automation can't roll out tomorrow, but these guy can indeed be back to work tomorrow. If they keep working the docks, then they are just padding time for the automation to roll out. In order to protect THEIR interest, they are putting a halt on shit. And you're right .....some are going to fall through the cracks, but you can't expect these guys to just fold up and work with termination inevitably looming. The end game is likely exactly as you say but DL's shut up and work mentality isn't on these guys too 10 list of shit to do....and it shouldn't be Their shutdown is also a political ploy to help Trump. That has to be taken into account. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 This seems have become oddly relevant for some reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 He changed his username. Uh oh, damage control 😂 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostrek Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 fuck there there goes the prices Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
[classic swim] Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 4 minutes ago, Insipid said: He changed his username. Uh oh, damage control 😂 “How quaint, a neoliberal democrat” was such a fucking funny sentence I wanted to it so bad even when that wasn’t the point. Hate how that was what initially set him off. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 2 Share Posted October 2 12 minutes ago, [classic swim] said: “How quaint, a neoliberal democrat” was such a fucking funny sentence I wanted to it so bad even when that wasn’t the point. Hate how that was what initially set him off. It's the Asian racism that scared him away. I only brought it up because of Trump in the debate mentioning Haitians eating cats and dogs. I wasn't even expecting anything to come of it, but the fact that he changed his name that quickly makes me think he actually does hold prejudiced views against Asians now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 6 hours ago, Insipid said: He changed his username. Uh oh, damage control 😂 We can change usernames? I thought we lost that privilege. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insipid Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 6 minutes ago, naraku360 said: We can change usernames? I thought we lost that privilege. He probably PMed a mod for the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobdog Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 1 hour ago, naraku360 said: We can change usernames? I thought we lost that privilege. THere's a thread in Community for just that thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 On 10/2/2024 at 12:21 AM, 1pooh4u said: Probably a lot longer than however long you’ll be posting here Or maybe a lot shorter. I just found out there's no strike benefit fund. When the workers run out of money and their bills pile up, they'll go back to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 3 Share Posted October 3 2 hours ago, smiradenius said: Or maybe a lot shorter. I just found out there's no strike benefit fund. When the workers run out of money and their bills pile up, they'll go back to work. No they won’t 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted October 3 Author Share Posted October 3 11 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: No they won’t This just in: The strike is paused until January. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 2 hours ago, smiradenius said: This just in: The strike is paused until January. That doesn’t mean what you said, at all 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 A big one as well it seems... he 2024 United States port strike was a labor strike involving over 47,000 port workers who are part of the International Longshoremen's Association (ILA), impacting 36 ports across the United States primarily along the East Coast and the Gulf Coast. The strike began at midnight EST on October 1, 2024, following the expiration of a contract between the port workers and the ports due to disagreements about compensation for workers and the use of automation. Dockworkers agreed to suspend the strike on October 3, 2024, with their current contract extended until January 15, 2025 as negotiations continue.[1] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilosipherStoned Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Just now, PhilosipherStoned said: A big one as well it seems... he 2024 United States port strike was a labor strike involving over 47,000 port workers who are part of the International Longshoremen's Association (ILA), impacting 36 ports across the United States primarily along the East Coast and the Gulf Coast. The strike began at midnight EST on October 1, 2024, following the expiration of a contract between the port workers and the ports due to disagreements about compensation for workers and the use of automation. Dockworkers agreed to suspend the strike on October 3, 2024, with their current contract extended until January 15, 2025 as negotiations continue.[1] wikipedia still going to house it all and want more funding... Though a more dapper me would probably say it;s a fucked endeavor . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 18 hours ago, 1pooh4u said: That doesn’t mean what you said, at all I stated a possible reason for returning to work and the ILA didn't. Either way, they're back to work. Let's wait and see what happens in January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 57 minutes ago, smiradenius said: I stated a possible reason for returning to work and the ILA didn't. Either way, they're back to work. Let's wait and see what happens in January. They are back to work because the ties between the ILA leadership and the Dumpster campaign becoming known were starting to become a little too inconvenient for the ILA leadership and the Dumpster campaign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1pooh4u Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 4 hours ago, smiradenius said: I stated a possible reason for returning to work and the ILA didn't. Either way, they're back to work. Let's wait and see what happens in January. You said they would return to work because they were going to run out of $$. That didn’t happen. They got a 62% raise in the meantime 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiradenius Posted October 5 Author Share Posted October 5 18 hours ago, katt_goddess said: They are back to work because the ties between the ILA leadership and the Dumpster campaign becoming known were starting to become a little too inconvenient for the ILA leadership and the Dumpster campaign. How did the strike benefit Don? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 5 Share Posted October 5 6 hours ago, smiradenius said: How did the strike benefit Don? How does a government shutdown benefit that loser? He was telling his sycophants to tank that vote after all. How does refusing to fund border security while supposedly claiming that border security is the ultimate thing that all republicans care for especially Captain Flatulence? Everything that 'goes wrong' is automatically declared the result of how bad Biden and Harris totally are for the world and therefore vote for not them. A strike would lead to supply chain issues again which 'mysteriously' enough would be declared as only ever happening during democratic presidencies. Summary - MAGAts don't actually care about America. They worship someone who's main superpower is declaring bankruptcy, leaving everyone else to pay the bills and thrives on creating chaos because he's too stupid to think about anyone but himself. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sieg67 Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 (edited) 18 hours ago, katt_goddess said: How does a government shutdown benefit that loser? He was telling his sycophants to tank that vote after all. How does refusing to fund border security while supposedly claiming that border security is the ultimate thing that all republicans care for especially Captain Flatulence? Everything that 'goes wrong' is automatically declared the result of how bad Biden and Harris totally are for the world and therefore vote for not them. A strike would lead to supply chain issues again which 'mysteriously' enough would be declared as only ever happening during democratic presidencies. Summary - MAGAts don't actually care about America. They worship someone who's main superpower is declaring bankruptcy, leaving everyone else to pay the bills and thrives on creating chaos because he's too stupid to think about anyone but himself. Trump is probably fuming that the outcome wasn't worse. And if there isn't an issue, he'll make them up. Latest being his propagating misinformation about the Helene response. Edited October 6 by Sieg67 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
katt_goddess Posted October 6 Share Posted October 6 1 hour ago, Sieg67 said: Trump is probably fuming that the outcome wasn't worse. And if there isn't an issue, he'll make them up. Latest being his propagating misinformation about the Helene response. Every time he brings up the Helene response, people should pelt him with rolls of paper towels. Extra points if they are the same ones he thought he was being so generous with during the response to Hurricane Maria in Puerto Rico. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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