CountFrylock Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 now that the rerun has concluded(with season 2 set to air on toonami november 7th) i figured it would be a good time to create a topic asking how everyone feels about fire force and it being on the block at all? honestly i like it but sometimes i do wonder if fire force isn't just seen as an inferior soul eater most of the time.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 17 hours ago, CountFrylock said: now that the rerun has concluded(with season 2 set to air on toonami november 7th) i figured it would be a good time to create a topic asking how everyone feels about fire force and it being on the block at all? honestly i like it but sometimes i do wonder if fire force isn't just seen as an inferior soul eater most of the time.... it's fine it's not the worst thing Toonami's ever aired but it's also VASTLY inferior to the same author's previous work (Soul Eater) and is just personally dissapointing to me for that reason 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 It would be a hundred times better without motherfucking Tamaki. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 It's the Bleach of this era, fun premise and characters unfortunately hampered by occasional issues. Maki is best girl. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) It had a strong start, but ultimately settled into a weird space where I enjoy watching it but can barely remember half of what went on, and that's without getting to all the issues I have with some of the characters. Like, I'm normally into dominatrix-type characters, but I can name so many things wrong with Hibana to counterbalance the "right" that, comparing myself to Vegeta, she's the Yamcha to Esdeath's Goku. [and i actually kinda like yamcha] Edited October 27, 2020 by PokeNirvash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Tamaki best girl 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Daos said: Tamaki best girl Get out. Edited October 27, 2020 by Top Gun 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 hour ago, PokeNirvash said: It had a strong start, but ultimately settled into a weird space where I enjoy watching it but can barely remember half of what went on, and that's without getting to all the issues I have with some of the characters. Like, I'm normally into dominatrix-type characters, but I can name so many things wrong with Hibana to counterbalance the "right" that, comparing myself to Vegeta, she's the Yamcha to Esdeath's Goku. [and i actually kinda like yamcha] when your dominatrix character is worse than Esdeath you've fucked up big time fr tho there is not a single character in this series that is likeable....there's some that are tollerable....but then others who are out-right obnoxious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 I like the premise and most of the main characters have grown on me. Especially Arthur, I hated that kid at first but after his Donkey Dick scene cracked me up I love this little bastard. Tamaki is still god awful and the worst idea in the entire series, though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 1 minute ago, EmpressAngel said: I like the premise and most of the main characters have grown on me. Especially Arthur, I hated that kid at first but after his Donkey Dick scene cracked me up I love this little bastard. Tamaki is still god awful and the worst idea in the entire series, though. Tamaki is indeed the worst.....but she's unfortunately not the only character like herself in anime....it's almost a requirement for every anime to have a needlessly sexualized female character who does absolutely nothing important Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 How can you hate this girl? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Daos said: How can you hate this girl? Tamaki is exactly what BIG BOIN' from zatch Bell was a parody of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Real talk though, it had a super-strong first few episodes, then descended into some absolute cringe for an arc or two, but it started to pick itself back up around the not-feudal-Japan arc, and the big Nether battle was pretty damn solid. (The choreography of Shinra's fight against Sho was fantastic.) They set up some good hooks for the next season, and I'm looking forward to seeing where things go from here. Just...fuck off with Tamaki. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) 6 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: It had a strong start, but ultimately settled into a weird space where I enjoy watching it but can barely remember half of what went on, and that's without getting to all the issues I have with some of the characters. Like, I'm normally into dominatrix-type characters, but I can name so many things wrong with Hibana to counterbalance the "right" that, comparing myself to Vegeta, she's the Yamcha to Esdeath's Goku. [and i actually kinda like yamcha] i think the problem with hibana is that after her initial appearance and battle with shinra....she doesn't do much for the rest of season 1 she helped out during "Vulcan's Workshop" Story but that's about it you'd think since she's obsessed with shinra she'd constantly be hanging around company 8 but that isn't the case and as for tamaki I don't really think she was meant to be the way she is in the series since originally she was apart of company 1 but after the rekka incident she's put on suspension and made a temporary member of company 8 however her suspension usually isn't bought up and eventually she becomes a core member of company 8 which makes me think back to that article i read several months ago where it was revealed an editor egged on okubo to do more fanservice since he draws such beautiful women Edited October 27, 2020 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 Hibana is just a worse, infinitely more unlikable version of Boa Hancock. Prove me wrong. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, EmpressAngel said: Hibana is just a worse, infinitely more unlikable version of Boa Hancock. Prove me wrong. It helps that Hancock's antics were played for comedy from the get-go for the most part, while Hibana was presented as a serious adversary for her first several appearances. There is something to be said about making the yandere a darker skinned woman, but it's nowhere near enough to overcome her considerable writing faults. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 My thoughts on the ladies of Fire Force are complicated, to say the least. You all know that with Hibana, I want to like her but she makes it very hard to with all the shit she does. Maki is objectively the best, but I feel her over-the-top reactions to being called "ogreish" or anything of the sort could really use some dialing back. Tamaki is really meh, and her Lucky Lecher Lure is much too prone to ruining the mood (or in the case of Shinra vs. Rekka, the pacing), so I'm not too bothered by the discourse towards her. Lisa has a great character design, but her actions post-traitor reveal really piss me off, and her pyromancy made manifest looks stupid. I dislike those two annoying brats that hang around Benimaru. Haumea's clearly meant to be a "fun villain" type, but that fucking crescent moon smile with the tongue sticking out is just so off-putting. Really, the only female characters in this show I'm not bothered by are Iris and Arrow. Let's hope they don't remain the only two once we're neck-deep into the second season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 I still haven't really seen the show People like it right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 (edited) 53 minutes ago, StarPanda said: I still haven't really seen the show People like it right I wasn't a fan. Didn't hate it, just found it to be an average forgettable Shonen. The response on the boards was pretty middling as well. Edited October 28, 2020 by Daos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StarPanda Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 20 minutes ago, Daos said: I wasn't a fan. Didn't hate it, just found it to be an average forgettable Shonen. The respond on the boards was pretty middling as well. It looks alot like soul eater in character designs did they same studio animate it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 9 minutes ago, StarPanda said: It looks alot like soul eater in character designs did they same studio animate it Nope same author though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Gun Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 BONES did Soul Eater, and mercifully cut out most of the fanservicey bullshit that the author is apparently infamous for. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 24 minutes ago, Top Gun said: BONES did Soul Eater, and mercifully cut out most of the fanservicey bullshit that the author is apparently infamous for. I’m still surprised we never got a proper adaptation of the whole of Soul Eater. I mean, we are getting a Shaman King remake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distinct Lunatic Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 6 minutes ago, Jman said: I’m still surprised we never got a proper adaptation of the whole of Soul Eater. I mean, we are getting a Shaman King remake. For some reason it always seemed like Bones has major issues with Soul Eater. It was a pretty popular series but it's like once they were done with their version they didn't want anything else to do with it. A lot of folks were calling for a new adaptation of it, but instead they gave us Soul Eater Not, which it felt like they didn't want that one to succeed. It had a super generic anime art style, no where near the original one which had a very unique art style. Also the writing was pretty bad and the show in general was meh. Needless to say it didn't perform well, to which they immediately wrote off the franchise by saying clearly no one is interested in more Soul Eater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 2 hours ago, StarPanda said: It looks alot like soul eater in character designs did they same studio animate it Nope. Same manga author, but different studio. Fire Force is animated by Studio David, the same studio as JoJo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted October 28, 2020 Share Posted October 28, 2020 It's for gays and non-Aryans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 15 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said: It's for gays and non-Aryans. Just like JoJo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 (edited) On 10/27/2020 at 8:50 PM, Top Gun said: BONES did Soul Eater, and mercifully cut out most of the fanservicey bullshit that the author is apparently infamous for. FYI....a majority of the fanservice in soul eater was for the character blair who wasn't anything more than a minor character it's not like there was fanservice out the ass in that series On 10/27/2020 at 2:59 PM, PokeNirvash said: My thoughts on the ladies of Fire Force are complicated, to say the least. You all know that with Hibana, I want to like her but she makes it very hard to with all the shit she does. Maki is objectively the best, but I feel her over-the-top reactions to being called "ogreish" or anything of the sort could really use some dialing back. Tamaki is really meh, and her Lucky Lecher Lure is much too prone to ruining the mood (or in the case of Shinra vs. Rekka, the pacing), so I'm not too bothered by the discourse towards her. Lisa has a great character design, but her actions post-traitor reveal really piss me off, and her pyromancy made manifest looks stupid. I dislike those two annoying brats that hang around Benimaru. Haumea's clearly meant to be a "fun villain" type, but that fucking crescent moon smile with the tongue sticking out is just so off-putting. Really, the only female characters in this show I'm not bothered by are Iris and Arrow. Let's hope they don't remain the only two once we're neck-deep into the second season. i think a lot of people on here who hate the way hibana behaves forget why she's like that she came to view her powers as being pure evil after the incident that led to the nuns around her turning infernal she played heavily into the villain role due to what happened that day and despite shinra's little speech plus that punch she's not gonna suddenly stop being a bitch when she spent so much time drilling it into her own head that nice people get jack shit in life and if you wanna achieve your goals you have to be prepared to manipulate people and do some pretty heinous things Edited October 29, 2020 by CountFrylock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Soul Eater had more fan service than people think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 Let's not forget the theory that Blair being naked for a good portion of the debut episode was a popular theory behind why [as] went for Kekkaishi instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 14 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said: Let's not forget the theory that Blair being naked for a good portion of the debut episode was a popular theory behind why [as] went for Kekkaishi instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, Daos said: Soul Eater had more fan service than people think. Soul Eater has 51 episodes and fanservice is included in about 10 of em. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 29, 2020 Author Share Posted October 29, 2020 1 hour ago, elfie said: Soul Eater has 51 episodes and fanservice is included in about 10 of em. so i don't get why people keep hammering in this idea that soul eater was filled to the brim with fan-service it wasn't.... it's as if people don't even remember soul eater properly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distinct Lunatic Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 2 hours ago, PokeNirvash said: Let's not forget the theory that Blair being naked for a good portion of the debut episode was a popular theory behind why [as] went for Kekkaishi instead. Kekkaishi I thought was a decent enough series, though it honestly felt kind of bland and generic. One thing about it though is it felt like a Bleach clone to some degree, like season 1 of Bleach with some season 2 stuff mixed in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 5 hours ago, elfie said: Soul Eater has 51 episodes and fanservice is included in about 10 of em. That's like 20 percent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 still that's not "Fanservice in every episode" i think we got way off track here when the discussion veered into "soul eater had fanservice crammed into it" when that never was the case..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 When you get down to it, Fire Force’s biggest sin is that it is not a terrible series by any stretch (likable lead, fairly strong supporting cast, relatively original premise) but there are too many flaws for it to be considered a great series (several unlikable characters we’re expected to sympathize with, Tamaki’s antics simply don’t fit the tone of half the scenes she’s in so the fanservice is jarring rather than welcome). And sometimes that’s more frustrating than a series you know is dogshit, because you just need to fix a few things, in this case pacing and tone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, CountFrylock said: still that's not "Fanservice in every episode" i think we got way off track here when the discussion veered into "soul eater had fanservice crammed into it" when that never was the case..... When I say 10 episodes, it's not at all '10 episodes of only ONLY fanservice'. Come on. I probably should've timed out all the fanservice in total and calculated just how much time it takes compared to the rest of the show. Edited October 30, 2020 by elfie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 1 hour ago, Jman said: When you get down to it, Fire Force’s biggest sin is that it is not a terrible series by any stretch (likable lead, fairly strong supporting cast, relatively original premise) but there are too many flaws for it to be considered a great series (several unlikable characters we’re expected to sympathize with, Tamaki’s antics simply don’t fit the tone of half the scenes she’s in so the fanservice is jarring rather than welcome). And sometimes that’s more frustrating than a series you know is dogshit, because you just need to fix a few things, in this case pacing and tone. Several Unlikable Characters? the only one that springs to mind is hibana and even then she's a side-character at best Company 8 doesn't really have much in the way of fan annoyance when it comes to characters arthur is just a goofy meat head that's just obsessed with being labeled a knight shinra's the typical shonen protagonist obi's the no nonsense leader maki's the one with self-esteem issues vulcan's the inventor/tech genius licht is the oddball weirdo we all know tamaki's schtick so i won't even describe her here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 4 minutes ago, elfie said: When I say 10 episodes, it's not at all '10 episodes of only ONLY fanservice'. Come on. I probably should've timed out all the fanservice in total and calculated just how much time it takes compared to the rest of the show. i wasn't thinking it was just 10 episodes of nothing but fanservice i was just noting that for how quickly this topic derailed into "Ranting about soul eater fanservice" there's not all that much in soul eater as i said the majority of it comes from the minor character blair who never really amounted to much.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mochi Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 9:55 AM, CountFrylock said: FYI....a majority of the fanservice in soul eater was for the character blair who wasn't anything more than a minor character it's not like there was fanservice out the ass in that series i think a lot of people on here who hate the way hibana behaves forget why she's like that she came to view her powers as being pure evil after the incident that led to the nuns around her turning infernal she played heavily into the villain role due to what happened that day and despite shinra's little speech plus that punch she's not gonna suddenly stop being a bitch when she spent so much time drilling it into her own head that nice people get jack shit in life and if you wanna achieve your goals you have to be prepared to manipulate people and do some pretty heinous things if her whole dogma was manipulating people to get ahead she wouldn't default purely to sexually dehumanizing men she'd be more generally a bitchy boss like a "the Devil wears Prada" character, or more like Boa Hancock, not a dominatrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 2 hours ago, mochi said: she'd be more generally a bitchy boss like a "the Devil wears Prada" character, or more like Boa Hancock, not a dominatrix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountFrylock Posted October 31, 2020 Author Share Posted October 31, 2020 17 hours ago, mochi said: if her whole dogma was manipulating people to get ahead she wouldn't default purely to sexually dehumanizing men she'd be more generally a bitchy boss like a "the Devil wears Prada" character, or more like Boa Hancock, not a dominatrix the reason she does that and the reason she has a throne made out of men is because she sees her appearance as a key asset as a tool for manipulation we know how many fire soldiers in her company are horny for her and she takes full advantage of that this isn't some fetish for her it's just her going full blown cartoony super villain she denounced her religion due to the infernal incident and had done everything in her power to go against what she once stood for which includes dehumanizing men and acting like everyone else is gravel that should be grateful to be around her all of this was an act...an act to fool herself into thinking she was evil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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