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20 hours ago, Jman said:

It lost to college football but that’s about it.

Also I will never get how live PD is so popular.

Dumb people like lawyer and cop shows and there's a whole lot of dumb people.

That's why there are 3 CSI shows and about 100 clones... they never get tired of that crap.

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24 minutes ago, Daos said:

Dumb people like lawyer and cop shows and there's a whole lot of dumb people.

That's why there are 3 CSI shows and about 100 clones... they never get tired of that crap.

Most BASIC cable networks (ABC, FOX, NBC, CBS, etc) are run by crusty 70-year-olds who are completely out of touch with changing trends, which is why you keep seeing the same old genres being greenlit into 2019 that haven't changed since the 70's. The other networks are more and more being run by the younger generation. This only perplexes me more that Live PD is an A&E original, and A&E is not at all a basic cable channel.

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We knew the ratings for the marathon were crazy good already, but just get a load of this:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-liga-mx-super-clasico-lifts-univision-as-runner-up-broadcast-network-among-adults-18-49-and-18-34/

9/28/2019 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
DBZ Kai 280,000  
DBS #129 270,000 96.43%
  TOONAMI  
DBS #130 (P) 815,000  
DBS #121 547,000 67.12%
DBS #122 478,000 87.39%
DBS #123 487,000 101.88%
DBS #124 428,000 87.89%
DBS #125 404,000 94.39%
DBS #126 421,000 104.21%
DBS #127 403,000 95.72%
DBS #128 374,000 92.80%
DBS #129 371,000 99.20%
DBS #130 (R) 387,000 104.31%
AVERAGE 465,000 2 of 39 😎
     
9/28/19 - Adults 18-49
Show Viewers Retention
DBZ Kai 128,000  
DBS #129 141,000 110.76%
  TOONAMI  
DBS #130 (P) 480,000 117.07%
DBS #121 334,000 69.58%
DBS #122 316,000 94.61%
DBS #123 328,000 103.80%
DBS #124 295,000 89.94%
DBS #125 292,000 98.98%
DBS #126 324,000 110.96%
DBS #127 319,000 98.46%
DBS #128 286,000 89.66%
DBS #129 281,000 98.25%
DBS #130 (R) 285,000 101.42%
AVERAGE 321,818 1 of 39 🤩

Italics denotes an estimate.

Well, THAT happened. More adults 18-49 watched Dragon Ball Super at 3 AM last week than TOTAL VIEWERS watched Gundam in that timeslot for the previous 12 weeks on average!

I guess it's clear now that Dragon Ball Super DOES have some replay value! Hopefully the final episode of Super gives the rest of the lineup a boost next week. Say, does TOONAMI even have a promo for it yet?? You would think they would blow it out, but I guess it really doesn't "need" one...

Hopefully it gives the rest of Toonami enough of a boost for some of the later shows to break some of their previous records with their return. I'm especially looking for Dr. Stone to do well without coming after gen:LOCK!

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Am I the only one who thinks this isn't completely stupid? I mean, we can complain about reruns at the front all we want, but this time, it's Dragon Ball. A series that makes fucking money. I imagine it won't hold up too bad in reruns, and this goes double considering all the episodes it has. And if Toonami is proven wrong about that, they can always abort and take a ratings decrease.

Demon Slayer at 1:30 is a little suspect, but certainly better than getting deathslotted. It's a touch older than the two almost-simuldubs premiering before it, but why slot it after Food Wars!?

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42 minutes ago, Blatch said:

Demon Slayer at 1:30 is a little suspect, but certainly better than getting deathslotted. It's a touch older than the two almost-simuldubs premiering before it, but why slot it after Food Wars!?

To get people keep watching the block late into the night.

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I had a bad feeling about this, and it turns out I was right, but I never expected Demon Slayer to premiere at 1:30! However, I guess putting it back-to-back with Black Clover kinda makes sense.

The question is "which episode of DBS is it gonna be?" I'm thinking it will be that contractually-obligated rerun of 131, and then after that, it will likely flash back to an earlier spot in the TOP beginning Oct. 19. The first encounter with Jiren aired RIGHT (2 fps instead of 1) would be great.

I'm thinking this rerun of DBS will be replaced with MHA S4 as soon as they're able to air it.

And as for Food Wars? Probably the same deal from Hell that kept Gundam the Origin stuck at 3 AM.

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On 8/13/2019 at 4:30 PM, elfie said:

Someone. Please. For the love of god.


Tweet this to him.

 

Though it's probably an inaccurate joke since DeMarco stated more than once that his crew isn't responsible for the edit.

to be fair I've called out Demarco a number of times for pretending to be progressive then filling the block with shows that have girls randomly get assaulted or raped and depict all gay men as disgusting rapists and he just gives half assed excuses so I stopped caring >_>

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2 minutes ago, mochi said:

to be fair I've called out Demarco a number of times for pretending to be progressive then filling the block with shows that have girls randomly get assaulted or raped and depict all gay men as disgusting rapists and he just gives half assed excuses so I stopped caring >_>

I think that has more to do with how anime is 99% That. DeMarco doesn't have a ton to choose that's different.

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3 minutes ago, elfie said:

I think that has more to do with how anime is 99% That. DeMarco doesn't have a ton to choose that's different.

I mean he does he just either gets outbid or deliberately chooses popular but problematic shows over the progressive ones

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1 hour ago, mochi said:

to be fair I've called out Demarco a number of times for pretending to be progressive then filling the block with shows that have girls randomly get assaulted or raped and depict all gay men as disgusting rapists and he just gives half assed excuses so I stopped caring >_>

In his defense, Fire Force was probably picked up without anyone knowing about Tamaki. That might also be the case for other shows that aired on short notice. But yeah, I somewhat feel this. Maybe we'll luck out with OPM S2 and it'll have less of Puri Puri Prisoner?

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11 minutes ago, Blatch said:

In his defense, Fire Force was probably picked up without anyone knowing about Tamaki. That might also be the case for other shows that aired on short notice. But yeah, I somewhat feel this. Maybe we'll luck out with OPM S2 and it'll have less of Puri Puri Prisoner?

it doesn't,


 

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(also there's another equally awful character named Okamaitachi....which literally means "Slasher Tr*nny")

Image result for okamaitachi opm

 

 

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10/5/2019 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
  TOONAMI  
DBS (P) 911,000  
Dr. Stone 561,000 61.58%
Dr. Stone 509,000 90.73%
FireForce 447,000 87.82%
FoodWars! 390,000 87.25%
B. Clover 334,000 85.64%
Boruto 323,000 96.71%
Shippuden 308,000 95.36%
Gundam 283,000 91.88%
LupinPt5 253,000 89.40%
MHA (R)  269,000 106.32%
AVERAGE 417,091 9 of 40 😎

Full 18-49s not out yet...

We'll see if the lineup does alright with DBS reruns and OPM and Demon Slayer premieres on the block next week!

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5 hours ago, mochi said:

to be fair I've called out Demarco a number of times for pretending to be progressive then filling the block with shows that have girls randomly get assaulted or raped and depict all gay men as disgusting rapists and he just gives half assed excuses so I stopped caring >_>

Dude it's Japan. His options are limited.

Next you're gonna start requesting that 16 year old high school girls don't look like supermodels with double D's. 

You make me sick.

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5 hours ago, Blatch said:

911K, huh? I'm never going to forget this night...

Perhaps with the end of DB Super's run (for now, anyway), we can also see an end to people taking the ratings seriously? 🙃

Do I really need to post this again?

 

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12 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Also this DBS episode got an estimated 360K in 18-34, the highest rating of any TOONAMI show so far this year!

As for total viewers, that's...uhhh, 9 football stadia?? That's better than Latin America's bootleg subbed showings, right???

Such is the power of a series finale that contains a last-minute chop-out!

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On 10/9/2019 at 10:25 AM, elfie said:

Such is the power of a series finale that contains a last-minute chop-out!

What do you mean "last-minute chop-out?" Was there something that got cut from the episode as aired on Toonami?

According to Wikipedia article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_Ball_Super:

"Episodes 130 and 131 were live streamed in various cities across Latin American countries including Mexico, El Salvador, Bolivia, Ecuador, and Nicaragua for free in public venues.[119][120] The public screenings drew large record audiences, which included filling stadiums in Mexico and other Latin American countries,[121] with each screening drawing audiences numbering in the thousands to the tens of thousands.[122]"

I'm not sure a mere 911K viewers beats THAT (it might if most stadia were smaller), but it IS true that it's exactly HALF of Toonami's high point on ShowBuzzDaily for a NON-Dragon Ball series: the 1822K that the first episode of Akame ga KILL!! got in 2015 in a 12:30 AM timeslot. (DBZ Kai got 2015K a half-hour earlier but it wasn't included as an "original") As for 2019's high point for a non-DBS series, that would be Boruto, and it won't even be on the lineup in 2.5 weeks! But I digress.

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-college-football-on-abc-and-espn-easily-outdraw-mlb-playoffs-on-fs1/

We have now learned that DBS's final episode outrated its Family Guy lead-in by 80K total viewers, a 9.63% increase (for a total of 109.63% retention). But the show performed even better in terms of retention in target demos: 132.35% in Adults 18-34; 127.85% in Adults 18-49; and 123.53% in Adults 25-54. And as for the rest of the lineup in 18-49:

10/5/19 - Adults 18-49
Show Viewers Retention
  TOONAMI  
DBS (P) 606,000 127.85%
Dr. Stone 391,000 64.52%
Dr. Stone 373,000 95.40%
FireForce 310,000 83.11%
FoodWars! 273,000 88.06%
B. Clover 239,000 87.55%
Boruto 219,000 91.63%
Shippuden 206,000 94.06%
Gundam 182,000 88.35%
LupinPt5 151,000 82.97%
MHA (R)  158,000 104.64%
AVERAGE 282,545 5 of 40 😎

I doubt Dragon Ball Super reruns will be able to capture that magic, but maybe One-Punch Man Season 2 will? If not, hope you enjoyed the ride!

Now, on to the strange decision to also rerun PRIMAL before Toonami: In its first night, it didn't exactly inspire confidence, at #18 18-49 and 538K total viewers:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-monday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-7-2019.html

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http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-tuesday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-8-2019.html

But the 2nd night did better, at #7 18-49 and 661K total viewers:

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Well, at least it seems like it's on a trajectory to beat Infinity Train. Hopefully the show will continue to gain viewers as it continues over the next 3 nights!

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3 minutes ago, elfie said:

Cop-out: 17 winning and wishing that all the guys who got defeated in the tournament get revived.

I would agree with you except for the underlying twist that more than just the 8 Universes in the tournament turned out to be at risk. I was spoiled on the winner of the tournament using the Dragon Balls to bring back all the other universes, but I had no idea it would be Android 17 (especially after his "sacrifice," the outcome of which I was also spoiled on), and that the stakes of NOT making such a wish would be so high!

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PRIMAL report because why not?

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  Ep #1 Ep #2 Ep #3 Ep #4 Ep #5
18-49 Rank #18 #7 #12 #10 #6
P 18-49 0.28 0.34 0.31 0.28 0.30
F 18-49 0.20 0.24 0.20 0.19 0.22
M 18-49 0.37 0.44 0.41 0.37 0.38
P 18-34 0.29 0.39 0.31 0.31 0.33
F 12-34 0.18 0.25 0.19 0.18 0.30
M 12-34 0.35 0.45 0.37 0.36 0.40
P 25-54 0.28 0.33 0.31 0.28 0.30
P 50+ 0.09 0.12 0.10 0.10 0.10
TOTAL 538,000 661,000 573,000 557,000 654,000

 

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4 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

PRIMAL report because why not?

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  Ep #1 Ep #2 Ep #3 Ep #4 Ep #5
18-49 Rank #18 #7 #12 #10 #6
P 18-49 0.28 0.34 0.31 0.28 0.30
F 18-49 0.20 0.24 0.20 0.19 0.22
M 18-49 0.37 0.44 0.41 0.37 0.38
P 18-34 0.29 0.39 0.31 0.31 0.33
F 12-34 0.18 0.25 0.19 0.18 0.30
M 12-34 0.35 0.45 0.37 0.36 0.40
P 25-54 0.28 0.33 0.31 0.28 0.30
P 50+ 0.09 0.12 0.10 0.10 0.10
TOTAL 538,000 661,000 573,000 557,000 654,000

 

Well now it makes sense why Genndy wanted the show to be its own thing.  
 

Probably won’t see the second batch until HBO Max comes out I bet.  

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Eh, to be fair, if it were able to be the lead-in show for Toonami now that Dragon Ball Super is over, it probably would have done better. We don't know how well Family Guy did as a lead-in on weeknights, but we usually have that information for 10:30 and 11 PM Saturdays.

Not quite yet, though. The earliest show last Saturday Night that was not a rerun was One-Punch Man, and, well...

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-10-12-2019.html

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Lupin once again missed the Top 50 at #58 with a 0.12 in 18-49 and 232K viewers. What's interesting is the much-vaunted bane of Toonami, ONE CHAMPIONSHIP MMA, only landed at #95 with a 0.09 in 18-49, but 264K viewers; however, that is still fewer than any of its competitors on Toonami!

I guess we'll find out how PRIMAL and Dragon Ball Super reruns did later today...

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Well, at least for DBS, that was quick:

https://programminginsider.com/saturday-final-ratings-fox-dominates-prime-time-with-game-one-of-mlb-american-league-championship-series/

10/12/2019 - Total Viewers
Show Viewers Retention
  TOONAMI  
DBS (R) 441,000  
OPM2 415,000 94.10%
Dr. Stone 380,000 91.57%
FireForce 357,000 93.95%
FoodWars! 333,000 93.28%
D. Slayer 303,000 90.99%
B. Clover 258,000 85.15%
Boruto 256,000 99.22%
Shippuden 294,000 114.84%
LupinPt5 232,000 78.91%
MHA (R)  219,000 94.40%
AVERAGE 317,091 37 of 41
     
10/12/19 - Adults 18-49
Show Viewers Retention
  TOONAMI  
DBS (R) 281,000  
OPM2 265,000 94.31%
Dr. Stone 252,000 95.09%
FireForce 249,000 98.81%
FoodWars! 233,000 93.57%
D. Slayer 215,000 92.27%
B. Clover 194,000 90.23%
Boruto 194,000 100.00%
Shippuden 191,000 98.45%
LupinPt5 159,000 83.25%
MHA (R)  147,000 92.45%
AVERAGE 216,364 31 of 41

The silver lining to Demon Slayer being stuck in mid-block hell is it appears to have kept viewership up above 300K/200K 18-49 at least that far in the night. Though this is the worst peak for Toonami yet in 2019, there actually were 3 worse starts during the 6 weeks in which MHA S3 was leading the block.

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Well, that's... oof.

I know it's too early to tell if anything is tanking after one week, but DB Super reruns aren't helping their case. Here's hoping they only last for three more weeks. On the plus side, it looks like the middle isn't going to be so bad, and OPM S2 actually beat gen:LOCK's total viewer average (415K). Where we stand, it looks like the block has fallen so far that even the front taking a massive blow won't dent the rest much.

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Hey, you're right! The total viewer average of gen:LOCK was 413,250. OPM's first episode of Season 2 DID beat that...

...but the question is: can it keep it up? AOTS3P2 burst onto the scene with a relative bang with 439K but it ended up with only a 377.7K average over its 10-episode premiere run (which includes an episode at midnight; including only the 11:30 episodes, be they premiere or rerun yields 380.4K). One the other hand, gen:LOCK slumped in with a 347K but ended at a much improved 413.25K on average. I guess my point is the first episode is not the average. Hopefully Punchy S2 will be boosted toward the end by some MHA S4 network premieres instead of Dragon Ball Super reruns.

It may turn out that Dragon Ball Super is airing as a rerun at 11 PM to prove to programming (who never seems to learn a lesson for more than 6 months) that reruns don't work in the first timeslot, no matter which show is airing!

Here's an interesting article about the state of cable TV, and the conclusion is: it's dying quickly, but it may not die off completely, at least in the U.S... https://cablecompare.com/cable-tv-statistics-is-cable-tv-dead/

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And I'm someone who thought DBS reruns could work just on name recognition, but I guess it's nice to be proven wrong.

Regarding the post on cable TV, I have a feeling we'll see some growth in it over the next few years as people get overwhelmed by the massive amount of streaming services and paying for all of them turns out to be more expensive than just getting cable, but you never know. Personally, I'm happy my family continues to foot the bill and I get access to a reasonable selection of stuff that I can DVR and watch whenever.

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