collage admission scam

[ghostrek]

 

i think shit is stupid  has someone with learning disabilities  they abused tools i that used to take ACTs now there stop offing help other students with  learning disabilities i hope ever everybody goes to jail for a long long time 

Edited March 20, 2019 by ghostrek

[ghostrek]

what your opinion on this

[jackiemarie90]

It's weird because I have applied to California Universities this year. I know I"m not the strongest candidate with F's on my report card even though combined I have a high GPA. Idk, maybe if I don't get in, I can always blame rich jerks instead of taking responsibility for my own problems.

It's also weird cause I have ADHD and I can request extra test time I think if I wanted to but I never do. I genuinely like challenging myself, and if I did get into a university I would want to be able to keep up with the other kids. But it does anger me that someone would abuse the system to ruin it for kids who need it.

[ghostrek]

3 minutes ago, jackiemarie90 said:

It's weird because I have applied to California Universities this year. I know I"m not the strongest candidate with F's on my report card even though combined I have a high GPA. Idk, maybe if I don't get in, I can always blame rich jerks instead of taking responsibility for my own problems.

It's also weird cause I have ADHD and I can request extra test time I think if I wanted to but I never do. I genuinely like challenging myself, and if I did get into a university I would want to be able to keep up with the other kids. But it does anger me that someone would abuse the system to ruin it for kids who need it.

it dose it make me mad about i am collaged dropout 

[scoobdog]

8 hours ago, ghostrek said:

what your opinion on this

My opinion is still that it's much ado about nothing.  These schools, even when fairly administered, are out of reach of most minorities because of assaults on public education and geographic partitions.  When these schools "fairly" admit prospective students, the only way a minority man or woman gets in is through scholarships and program conduits designed to prepare students from underserved communities and give them the opportunity to compete with students out of white, upper-middle class communities.  The only real losers in this scandal are other upper-middle class white kids who aren't smart enough to get full-ride scholarships and don't have connections.

[scoobdog]

Also....

8 hours ago, ghostrek said:

it dose it make me mad about i am collaged dropout 

Your butchered-English affectation  is annoying me right now for some reason.

[bnmjy]

Picasso was a scam artist, yes.

#what

Edited March 21, 2019 by bnmjy

[Vamped]

I think its delightfully hilarious .... but only because these students have all the resources in the world. They didn't have to work through high school, they don't have to work to get themselves through college .... why couldn't you be a star high school student in order to earn your way into a top tier school? If you've got 500,000 to pay into a scam, why couldn't your kids work hard to get accepted and then just write a check to the school to pay for tuition and make a donation?

 

Like .... you have all these resources .... why are your kids losers that need their parents to bribe them into school? 

 

[midnight]

To quote a wise person, "I don't really give a shit."

[DragonSinger]

10 hours ago, scoobdog said:

My opinion is still that it's much ado about nothing.  These schools, even when fairly administered, are out of reach of most minorities because of assaults on public education and geographic partitions.  When these schools "fairly" admit prospective students, the only way a minority man or woman gets in is through scholarships and program conduits designed to prepare students from underserved communities and give them the opportunity to compete with students out of white, upper-middle class communities.  The only real losers in this scandal are other upper-middle class white kids who aren't smart enough to get full-ride scholarships and don't have connections.

I became so cynical after Sarah Lawrence sent me an invitation, and there was just no way financially to go. After crunching the numbers, it would have taken several scholarships(like 8+) to afford living in New York for multiple semesters, and I had no mental energy after just finishing two years of classes in one year while still working a fast food job. Then add in very little support because no one in my family has been to a college like this, so they just accepted the school counselor's opinion that I would fail to get the scholarships.

So yay for a few cheaters getting caught, but it's still frustrating that after you wedge your foot in the door, those kind of schools do nothing else to help you the rest of the way through.

[scoobdog]

4 hours ago, SorceressPol said:

I became so cynical after Sarah Lawrence sent me an invitation, and there was just no way financially to go. After crunching the numbers, it would have taken several scholarships(like 8+) to afford living in New York for multiple semesters, and I had no mental energy after just finishing two years of classes in one year while still working a fast food job. Then add in very little support because no one in my family has been to a college like this, so they just accepted the school counselor's opinion that I would fail to get the scholarships.

So yay for a few cheaters getting caught, but it's still frustrating that after you wedge your foot in the door, those kind of schools do nothing else to help you the rest of the way through.

One of the things I've always been proud of was 'SC's partnership with LAUSD on a matriculation path for students in the surrounding community from primary school all the way to the university.  It's a drop in the bucket to be sure, but its an unheralded part of the USC's presence in the community that has always proven in part that there are ways to compensate or otherwise abysmal public education and offer opportunities to kids who are truly worthy of them.  A program like that couldn't possibly counter all of the injustices within higher education, but I could always take small comfort in knowing the school hadn't forgotten its neighborhood and that programs like this could not only work but be sustainable over a long period.

Nonetheless, its still a band-aid on a gaping wound, and the wound is only getting deeper.  In the middle of this latest scandal (and the announcement of our new president), USC announced yet another tuition hike with the asinine justification that a USC degree is "worth" even more than it was before the past year and half of unrelenting scandal.  This is the real shame here, that education should be fiscally out of reach of those who would not only benefit it from it but also use it to benefit their communities.

[discolé monade]

4 hours ago, SorceressPol said:

I became so cynical after Sarah Lawrence sent me an invitation, and there was just no way financially to go. After crunching the numbers, it would have taken several scholarships(like 8+) to afford living in New York for multiple semesters, and I had no mental energy after just finishing two years of classes in one year while still working a fast food job. Then add in very little support because no one in my family has been to a college like this, so they just accepted the school counselor's opinion that I would fail to get the scholarships.

So yay for a few cheaters getting caught, but it's still frustrating that after you wedge your foot in the door, those kind of schools do nothing else to help you the rest of the way through.

nysva. or sva now. 

art teacher submitted some stuff on my behalf, i got an invite down. 

but after pretending that this would happen (for like 10 minutes) the reality was almost exactly this, for me. 

[DragonSinger]

19 minutes ago, discolemonade said:

nysva. or sva now. 

art teacher submitted some stuff on my behalf, i got an invite down. 

but after pretending that this would happen (for like 10 minutes) the reality was almost exactly this, for me. 

Ugh, it's so disappointing having reality snatch things from you. I comfort myself by thinking that my naive ass would have gotten serial-killed if I had gone.

[discolé monade]

2 hours ago, SorceressPol said:

Ugh, it's so disappointing having reality snatch things from you. I comfort myself by thinking that my naive ass would have gotten serial-killed if I had gone.

that, or stuck in a dead end gig in the village, that is so fucking poser, because it caters to posers.  

 

[ghostrek]

On 3/20/2019 at 6:10 PM, jackiemarie90 said:

It's weird because I have applied to California Universities this year. I know I"m not the strongest candidate with F's on my report card even though combined I have a high GPA. Idk, maybe if I don't get in, I can always blame rich jerks instead of taking responsibility for my own problems.

It's also weird cause I have ADHD and I can request extra test time I think if I wanted to but I never do. I genuinely like challenging myself, and if I did get into a university I would want to be able to keep up with the other kids. But it does anger me that someone would abuse the system to ruin it for kids who need it.

i think Congress needs to make some laws or some thing

[lupin_bebop]

On 3/21/2019 at 1:17 AM, scoobdog said:

My opinion is still that it's much ado about nothing.  These schools, even when fairly administered, are out of reach of most minorities because of assaults on public education and geographic partitions.  When these schools "fairly" admit prospective students, the only way a minority man or woman gets in is through scholarships and program conduits designed to prepare students from underserved communities and give them the opportunity to compete with students out of white, upper-middle class communities.  The only real losers in this scandal are other upper-middle class white kids who aren't smart enough to get full-ride scholarships and don't have connections.

That apology is bullshit, and you know it.

As someone who went to college, from a white, upper-middle class district, is a minority, and went to public school, that apology is straight bullshit. Under even “fair” circumstances, minorities wouldn’t be chosen for things like college. Even if qualified. Full goddamn stop. 

[scoobdog]

11 hours ago, lupin_bebop said:

That apology is bullshit, and you know it.

As someone who went to college, from a white, upper-middle class district, is a minority, and went to public school, that apology is straight bullshit. Under even “fair” circumstances, minorities wouldn’t be chosen for things like college. Even if qualified. Full goddamn stop. 

..... apology?  At any rate, i was reading an LA Times article this morning about a kid out of Vermont Vista who's valedictorian at his high school and he's struggling to get financial aid together so he can go to USC or UCLA.  A big part of the article is how he's had to rely on free resources provided by the universities themselves, non profits, and even LAUSD, with the kicker being the last line...  

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Principal Dechele Byrd and her staff have worked hard to build a college-going culture. But it’s hard, she said, to keep up with the more affluent.

At private Harvard-Westlake School, for instance, nine deans work with about 900 students from sophomore through senior year to help them with academic and college counseling. Three-quarters of the 210 full-time faculty have master’s or doctoral degrees, according to the current school profile.

The Studio City school offers 28 AP courses and spring college tours for juniors. Last year, students won admission to Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Brown, University of Pennsylvania, University of Chicago, UC Berkeley, USC.

Damion Lester Jr. studies during design class at Washington Prep High School. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times)

At Washington Prep, Byrd finally was able to hire her first full-time college counselor for her 800 students last fall using a three-year grant from the Los Angeles Unified School District; she’ll have to scramble again for money when it runs out. She’s also managed to find funding for four full-time academic counselors. Just over half of her 41 full-time faculty have graduate degrees. The school offers 12 AP courses.

Byrd’s students rely on free tutoring from sources such as the online Khan Academy, as well as academic support from nonprofit organizations, USC, UCLA and L.A. Southwest College. L.A. Unified also has purchased online college prep software for all schools and, for the first time this year, covered SAT test fees for all juniors.

“It’s disheartening to see people with so many financial resources using their privilege in negative ways to give their children an edge,” Byrd said of the parents involved in the admissions scandal. “We have to rely on free resources. But our students are extremely resilient in pushing forward despite their circumstances.”

Few more so than Damion, school staff say. After his last class, he bounded into the college counseling office to check on scholarship opportunities. Marcy Zaldana, the counselor, told him about a new one and offered tips on how to apply.

“Good luck, Damion, you got this,” she said. “I believe in you.”

Damion Lester Jr. leaves his design class at Washington Prep High School. (Gina Ferazzi / Los Angeles Times)

Zaldana has high hopes for Damion’s college future, despite his dismal SAT test results, which ranked below the 10th percentile. (He has no money for pricey test prep books or courses — and no one is taking his tests for him, as people are alleged to have done for rich students in the college admissions scandal.) She says his 4.1 grade-point average shows ambition, diligence and extraordinary perseverance under challenging life circumstances.

The reality is that getting into a top level university isn't something you get out of your own sweat equity.  Even the rich kids who don't buy their way into the university the old fashioned way have access to schools like Harvard Westlake where the tuition covers not just education but resources like college counselors, dedicated test prep, and better educated faculty.  The fact that a smart kid who can't afford test prep has trouble on his SATs is emblematic of how the system is designed to cater to people who pay into the system.  Chances are, though, had he paid into the system and legally bought his way to high SAT scores, universities would be clamoring for him because of the dearth of minority students that universities can parade around for their own edification. Cynicism in the system starts and ends with the realization that it's always been about who can be made into a qualified candidate.

It's depressing just to think about it.

Edited March 22, 2019 by scoobdog

[lupin_bebop]

@scoobdog 

Apology:

a defense, excuse, or justification in speech or writing, as for a cause or doctrine

Edited March 23, 2019 by lupin_bebop

[scoobdog]

3 hours ago, lupin_bebop said:

@scoobdog 

Apology:

a defense, excuse, or justification in speech or writing, as for a cause or doctrine

What apology are you talking about?

[lupin_bebop]

On 3/21/2019 at 1:17 AM, scoobdog said:

My opinion is still that it's much ado about nothing.  These schools, even when fairly administered, are out of reach of most minorities because of assaults on public education and geographic partitions.  When these schools "fairly" admit prospective students, the only way a minority man or woman gets in is through scholarships and program conduits designed to prepare students from underserved communities and give them the opportunity to compete with students out of white, upper-middle class communities.  The only real losers in this scandal are other upper-middle class white kids who aren't smart enough to get full-ride scholarships and don't have connections.

@scoobdog

This one. 

[scoobdog]

7 hours ago, lupin_bebop said:

@scoobdog

This one. 

Not sure where you see an apology in that.  I am being dismissive, but I certainly don't indicate  that the there is anything acceptable about either the cheaters or the schools that enabled them.  It's just that this correcting this is meaningless in the grander scheme of ills plaguing higher education.

[lupin_bebop]

23 minutes ago, scoobdog said:

Not sure where you see an apology in that.  I am being dismissive, but I certainly don't indicate  that the there is anything acceptable about either the cheaters or the schools that enabled them.  It's just that this correcting this is meaningless in the grander scheme of ills plaguing higher education.

Yes, THAT apology is what I was talking about. That is bullshit, and you know it.

[scoobdog]

1 minute ago, lupin_bebop said:

Yes, THAT apology is what I was talking about. That is bullshit, and you know it.

So, you think that the system as it is now is fair?

[RainyDayJizz#35]

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