ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 3ngag3 said: Early manga fansubs had them called 'Individualities'. Well that just rolls right off the tongue. Why not call them superpowers or powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, 3ngag3 said: Mt. Lady She was going to be the original female lead. But the author couldn't find a way to make her powers useful in non combat situations. Spoiler? Nuuuuuuu! D: There totally are though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) lol Edited May 6, 2018 by DangerMouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Sandstone said: 20% of people are born powerless now. The implication is that all Quirks are not equal. E.G. not everyone has a Prime candidate hero Quirks like shooting explosions like Kachan. Thus it's very reasonable to extrapolate the actual viable "hero population" is likely much much smaller. To put it in a real-world way, most people are able to play sports. Very few people are capable/talented enough to play in the NBA or NFL. Yeah, I saw that there were some civilians with powers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 hours ago, DangerMouse said: TEXAS SMASH 3 hours ago, 3ngag3 said: He names his attacks after U.S. states and cities. Fucking crazy. I love it. I didn't catch that! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 hours ago, Sandstone said: No sure, but as we have already seen many of the heros even in the opening have unique costumes/gadgets to augment or control their abilities. It's not impossible per se, given the evidence. Seems like a missed opportunity. Though the show just started, so I suppose it could still happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 3 hours ago, ghostrek said: i see a lot of me in the main chacter but unlike him my dreams did not come true Dude... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) Wow, this show is actually getting topicals that say "all new". I'm so flabberghasted I don't know what to say... I guess I'm like "RIGHT ON that it's getting topicals," but "'all new' my ass!" Edited May 6, 2018 by OwlChemist81 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 5 hours ago, mochi said: this show is basically a waaaaaaaaay better version of One Punch man What? No it isn't. Other than having people with superpowers they're not in the slightest bit similar. Compare it to BC or some other Shonen =P 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 5 hours ago, Meilag32 said: I dunno. I didn't think much of the show. I'm not saying it's bad. It just seems like your standard shonen. If you're a fan of shonen, you probably like it. If you're not a fan of shonen, you probably won't touch it with a 10 ft. pole. As I said in another thread, wait until episode 2. If you don't like episode 2 you're probably not gonna like anything this show has to offer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DangerMouse Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said: Wow, this show is actually getting topicals that say "all new". I'm so flabberghasted I don't know what to say... I guess I'm like "RIGHT ON that it's getting topicals," but "'all new' my ass!" Eh. It deserves the hype of "all new" since many probably aren't even aware. Plus it's all new on Toonami. Just like when Attack on Titan season 2 aired a couple of weeks behind the Japanese. Edited May 6, 2018 by DangerMouse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 6 hours ago, elfie said: Now for some reason.... they call powers in this world quirks. .... like.... is "superpower" copyrighted?? Why are Zombies called Walkers? It's more fun to change it up, and it puts your own stamp on things. If someone talks about quirks you instantly know what anime they're talking about. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 6 hours ago, Jman said: I remember why I hated this show now. Because the far more interesting plot is Deku becoming someone like Marshal Law or Judge Dredd. A non-powered hero with guns and tech to deal with heroes that are rampant, hypocritical assholes. This is a story about folks with powers bullying folks without them. In those stories, the human brain closes the gap. That’s why Batman is so popular. To be fair though, Batman is a ridiculous character with ridiculous plot armor. You can't dodge automatic weapon fire just because you're fast. And his enemies are constantly letting him live so they can put him in creative death traps. In MHA 80 percent of the population has superpowers. Anyone without powers is going to get mangled trying to be a hero unless they go the Ironman route. After seeing where the author went with the series, I'm pretty sure he made the right choice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 The alternative would have been this, which sounds more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 4 hours ago, Daos said: To be fair though, Batman is a ridiculous character with ridiculous plot armor. You can't dodge automatic weapon fire just because you're fast. And his enemies are constantly letting him live so they can put him in creative death traps. In MHA 80 percent of the population has superpowers. Anyone without powers is going to get mangled trying to be a hero unless they go the Ironman route. After seeing where the author went with the series, I'm pretty sure he made the right choice. But the author spends 2 episodes establishing that nobody takes his dream seriously because he's not in the 80 percentile. By giving him a power, it damns all who don't have powers to forever be considered worthless to this society. The message takes a sharp turn off of "pursue your dreams no matter your circumstances" and completely undercuts that. Like, go for you dreams*! *unless you're not normally abled, then just give up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 18 minutes ago, naraku360 said: *unless you're not normally abled, then just give up Honestly, you're getting annoying with this critique. I don't disagree with it, but can you at least let up for just a little bit and see if anything beyond the second episode is good? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 7 hours ago, DangerMouse said: Eh. It deserves the hype of "all new" since many probably aren't even aware. Plus it's all new on Toonami. Just like when Attack on Titan season 2 aired a couple of weeks behind the Japanese. But that was at least a dub premiere. Easier to defend "all new" in that case than it is when the show's been streaming online in its dubbed format for 2 years! But damn right I agree it needed topicals. "On the next episode" would have been OK though... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 ONE PUNCH MAN IS WAY BETTER THAN THIS HORSESHIT. Sorry, but I saw someone say this was better and my immediate reply was to tell that person, fucking no. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 5 hours ago, naraku360 said: But the author spends 2 episodes establishing that nobody takes his dream seriously because he's not in the 80 percentile. By giving him a power, it damns all who don't have powers to forever be considered worthless to this society. The message takes a sharp turn off of "pursue your dreams no matter your circumstances" and completely undercuts that. Like, go for you dreams*! *unless you're not normally abled, then just give up OMG SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 2!! Look it's a fair criticism and the shows only weak point really. But I would argue that his dream of becoming "the best" superhero like All Might was never realistic. Kind of like a kid born with one leg who wants to be the next Usain Bolt. You can tell him not to give up on his dreams but we know it's not going to happen. But if that kid suddenly gets an artificial leg that lets him run as fast as all the people with 2 legs, are you really rooting against him after that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Since Random Curiosity is back up, I thought of posting this episodes' article from that site. http://randomc.net/2016/04/03/boku-no-hero-academia-01/ This was posted shortly after the episodes' Japanese premiere, meaning it's around 2 years old. I would be careful on reading the comments lest you come across spoilers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Daos said: OMG SPOILERS FOR EPISODE 2!! Look it's a fair criticism and the shows only weak point really. But I would argue that his dream of becoming "the best" superhero like All Might was never realistic. Kind of like a kid born with one leg who wants to be the next Usain Bolt. You can tell him not to give up on his dreams but we know it's not going to happen. But if that kid suddenly gets an artificial leg that lets him run as fast as all the people with 2 legs, are you really rooting against him after that? If they wanted to make the conflict about a kid with a power too strong to manage, just fucking start there. Establishing a conflict of the sort and reiterating that conflict every 30 seconds for 2 episides is bad enough writing on its own without the narrative whiplash of resolving it immediately through an arbitrarily convenient means. I can't really give it enough credit to continue when it fumbles a baby's first shonen theme in a matter of a couple episodes. After that point the writing has effectively lost all potential impact since I no longer trust the author to tell an engaging story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 You could just write the first episodes off as early installment weirdness. Maybe the author didn't even know what story they wanted to write at first? As I've said before, the vast majority of people completely glossed over this plot point, kept watching the show, and now cannot stop gushing about it. That's got to account for something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorbeauKarasu Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 21 hours ago, Gyaos said: Lol, the plot of X-Men, essentially. i love remarking on that. I will continue saying it until y'all are sick of me. this world is the world of the future that the x-men are expecting. when the population of earth 616 reaches a mutation saturation of 80%, THIS SERIES is what that world will look like. it's just like House of M in a lot of ways. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorbeauKarasu Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 21 hours ago, mochi said: this show is basically a waaaaaaaaay better version of One Punch man better? really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, CorbeauKarasu said: better? really? If by better mochi means “MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH FUCKING WORSE with none of the charm or humor or ANYTHING REDEEMABLE” than yes. Edited May 7, 2018 by Jman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 Wow, you've gone from being lukewarm on the show to almost a parody of yourself. At least this one isn't homophobic... by some extremely skewed standards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) It’s one thing to talk about the show on its own. But comparing it to One Punch Man creates the OTHER well know comic book cliche, people fighting over Marvel and DC. I’ll admit, that’s what set me off. OPM is clearly Marvel in this case. Edited May 7, 2018 by Jman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Y'all know you can enjoy more than one superhero series, right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, EmpressAngel said: Y'all know you can enjoy more than one superhero series, right? Yeah, sure. Tiger and Bunny. One Punch Man. Sunred. Gatchaman, etc. But this setup is all wrong. This is a setup that produces a villain or an anti-hero, not a hero. Deku lives in a world of mutants and gets bullied by them. He’s the kid that grows up to develop Sentinels! He joins a team of CIA backed normal people to keep the superheroes in check until they’re all blown away by the military with depleted uranium ammo. He’s the trained law enforcement super cop that finds vigilantes silly at best, disgusting perverts at worst. This setup is wrong. Edited May 7, 2018 by Jman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 Well you can look at it that way. But you can also look at it that not becoming a dick because you were bullied is a good hero trait. One of the big themes of this show is that most of the people trying to be heroes aren't actually very heroic. A lot of them are assholes, and some of them seem like they'd have made better villains than heroes but chose being a hero because its easier and more profitable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Daos said: Well you can look at it that way. But you can also look at it that not becoming a dick because you were bullied is a good hero trait. One of the big themes of this show is that most of the people trying to be heroes aren't actually very heroic. A lot of them are assholes, and some of them seem like they'd have made better villains than heroes but chose being a hero because its easier and more profitable. Yeah, this comic exists already in several forms. Marshal Law, The Boys, hell, Tiger and Bunny’s big theme is how corporate interests clash with altruism and the ensuing result. Except all those make more sense. I mean, even at its core, OPM is a satire of bureaucracy, how the most qualified person doesn’t get to do the job or get credit for it because of administrative red tape. All those stories stick the landing. Edited May 7, 2018 by Jman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaos Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 7 hours ago, EmpressAngel said: Y'all know you can enjoy more than one superhero series, right? There are manga/anime and comic book fans who think I'm weird for liking both superhero media and Japanese entertainment so I thought it was taboo to do so for the longest time. Not that this stopped me from reading comics and reading manga or watching anime. Fuck those guys. As for what the show has to offer, it has a very good hook by offering a LOVABLE protagonist (please take notes Pierrot), and one I can easily sympathize with. I'm sure getting his powers isn't the main plot of the series, and it's an excellent hook to keep people interested in the long term. That's why I'm going to continue watching it. Edited May 7, 2018 by Gyaos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 11 hours ago, Jman said: Yeah, sure. Tiger and Bunny. One Punch Man. Sunred. Gatchaman, etc. But this setup is all wrong. This is a setup that produces a villain or an anti-hero, not a hero. Deku lives in a world of mutants and gets bullied by them. He’s the kid that grows up to develop Sentinels! He joins a team of CIA backed normal people to keep the superheroes in check until they’re all blown away by the military with depleted uranium ammo. He’s the trained law enforcement super cop that finds vigilantes silly at best, disgusting perverts at worst. This setup is wrong. .....Your problem is that being bullied hasn't turned the main character into a hateful bag of dicks? I mean yeah the kid is getting picked on by a gaggle of douchebags with powers, but he lives in a world where 80% of the population is also super-powered. He knows plenty of people with powers who are kind and friendly and it's obvious that the gang is assholes regardless of their abilities. That'd be like your local ginger going berserk and waging war on every non-redhead in the city because a couple of blonde kids gave him a wedgie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Well actually, because this is literally the plot of Garth Ennis’ The Boys, one of the biggest anti superhero screeds of all time. This is the origin of Billy Butcher, and he would kill all the superheroes. That’s the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 8 hours ago, Gyaos said: There are manga/anime and comic book fans who think I'm weird for liking both superhero media and Japanese entertainment so I thought it was taboo to do so for the longest time. Not that this stopped me from reading comics and reading manga or watching anime. Fuck those guys. As for what the show has to offer, it has a very good hook by offering a LOVABLE protagonist (please take notes Pierrot), and one I can easily sympathize with. I'm sure getting his powers isn't the main plot of the series, and it's an excellent hook to keep people interested in the long term. That's why I'm going to continue watching it. MAJOR spoilers below, but it should give you some enlightening thoughts on why this anime starts off this way and appears to go off the rails. The focus of the manga and anime is about Deku's journey into becoming the best hero ever, along with a side of villain battles, superhero politics, and what exactly All Might is. Deku gains All Might's his quirk by Episode 3 (All Might's quirk allows him to pass it on to one other person of his choice, and he has to choose wisely for a successor since his power and all the battles he fought are slowly killing him), and from then on Deku discovers more about his quirk like how to manage it, and the history behind it, and why it is so important. So it's more like a coming of age story rather than a sports story. Making Deku this dark superhero adult later on was never its intention, because a lot of heroes in this story are actually kinda twisted already, and of course we have the usual rouges gallery of villains that comes with the package. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyaos Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 I'm actually going to hold off from spoiling myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The1gairon Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Gyaos said: I'm actually going to hold off from spoiling myself. Good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmpressAngel Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 1 hour ago, Jman said: Well actually, because this is literally the plot of Garth Ennis’ The Boys, one of the biggest anti superhero screeds of all time. This is the origin of Billy Butcher, and he would kill all the superheroes. That’s the point. I literally have no idea what those are but okay then. So this other property took a similar premise and went a completely different direction with it, and you dislike the show because it didn't do the same thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 It’s weird because I friggin love superhero stories in a lot of contexts. Justice League and JLU are iconic Toonami shows and I adore pretty much all the DCAU stuff, I love OPM, and I’ve mentioned my fondness for the MCU. I mean I bought the Gatchaman boxset just for that amazing Alex Ross artwork. But something about this setup just grinds my gears, lending itself more to that anti hero opposite corrupt douchebag “heroes”. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 How many episodes have you watched btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 The one so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Sheesh what happened to the 3 episode rule =P 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 5 hours ago, Daos said: Sheesh what happened to the 3 episode rule =P Like I said, something about this show just irks me, and the idea that it’s better than One Punch Man? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 6 hours ago, Daos said: Sheesh what happened to the 3 episode rule =P It is, and always has been, an arbitrary rubric that does very little to measure the quality of a show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 On 5/7/2018 at 11:22 AM, Gyaos said: There are manga/anime and comic book fans who think I'm weird for liking both superhero media and Japanese entertainment so I thought it was taboo to do so for the longest time. Not that this stopped me from reading comics and reading manga or watching anime. Fuck those guys. As for what the show has to offer, it has a very good hook by offering a LOVABLE protagonist (please take notes Pierrot), and one I can easily sympathize with. I'm sure getting his powers isn't the main plot of the series, and it's an excellent hook to keep people interested in the long term. That's why I'm going to continue watching it. When Star Wars Resistance was announced and described as being anime-inspired, there were a lot of people saying anime is cancer and they wouldn't watch it because of that etc. Small vocal minority I'm sure, but still. Nerds need to learn to get along better, and be more open-minded. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 On the one hand, Jman says it sucks. On the other, Naraku says it sucks, and he loves Hiatus, so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben0119 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 5 hours ago, naraku360 said: It is, and always has been, an arbitrary rubric that does very little to measure the quality of a show. 50 episode rule didn't apply to Hiatus LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
naraku360 Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 7 hours ago, ben0119 said: 50 episode rule didn't apply to Hiatus LOL. '99 is better in a single episode than the entirety of Bleach[ed braincells] and Fairy Fail combined. And no, the first episode of '99 isn't filler no matter how many times your reading comprehension betrays you 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorbeauKarasu Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 having seen a fair bit of both, i'd say that One Punch Man and Hero Academia are hard to compare but are about as good as each other. OPM had a bit more punch (no Pun intended) and was flashier from the get go. it was more of a comedy. MHA burns slower and has more of a heartfelt narrative, but because it's longer with a larger cast, it can tell better individual stories than OPM could and has an overarching narrative that is a bit more ambitious. OPM dazzles. MHA captivates. MHA is like that episode where Mumen Rider takes on the Ocean King, but as a series. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorbeauKarasu Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 also, how do you hide spoilers. i feel like it used to be obvious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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