PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) Some people believe in ghosts, and that their souls are trapped; until they succeed at the goal that they've chose at last. I'm trying to form a chorus for a beat I've been sitting on, but while I'm on the subject who here believes in ghosts? Are you a skeptic or do you give a shit either way? I think I honestly want to pay omage to Tupac's Ghost ballad with this, but I'd also like to have a discussion about ghosts in classic arts in literature all the way up to the present. Because some of the most prestiged works have ghost characters or atleast touch on mans tendancy to accept the supernatural. Edited March 14, 2018 by PhilosipherStoned fucking their, there, they're whatevah.
Doom Metal Alchemist Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 I'm undecided on if we have souls that travel to the afterlife after we die. I don't believe in ghosts haunting the world of the living. Ghost hunters are some of the biggest frauds out there, imo. 2
Distortedreasoning Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 im 90% on the side that they dont exist but keeping that 10% doubt since we really dont know. in fact we really dont know much and most of the times its just our imaginations trying to make sense of things we cant explain. 1
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 I agree.. Ghost Adventures being the most overblown, and blatantly fake example I could give. IDK.. but for one thing they ALWAYS get some sort of 'credible' evidence that they are WAY too excited for. Like... Oh I just asked this spirit if it wants to kill me, and a coke bottle rolled a bit over there! Did you see it guys! OMG.
katt_goddess Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 I grew up in a cemetery triangle and the house was haunted by the ghost of the school teacher who died on the property [one of the garages was originally a one-room schoolhouse] . Ghosts were never a scary thing.
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 So you are convinced that ghosts exist Kat? I used to seek out supposedly haunted places, and as a fan of wicca and ancient pagan religions I'm usually drawn to the areas before I'm told by other people they're haunted, but as someone that also likes to uphold science and rational thought..Even when I see things I can't explain at the time I write them off and usually find a logical reason for them later. I would love to have their existence proven to me once for all though.
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 Damn another couplet like that might make my chorus for this.. Maybe some ghost stories would help. Not the hook-hand campfire type, but the ones that tell of trapped spirits searching for justice and all that jazz..
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 editors note: Actually a traditional rap chorus consists of 8 bars. I better at least elaborate on this couplet. Fuck deep thought. I love this violin melody so much.. meh.
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 that fool needs to manifest.. wheres the doom collab anyway..
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Some people believe in ghosts, and that their souls are trapped; until they succeed at the goal that they've chose at last. I'm trying to form a chorus for a beat I've been sitting on, but while I'm on the subject who here believes in ghosts? Are you a skeptic or do you give a shit either way? I think I honestly want to pay omage to Tupac's Ghost ballad with this, but I'd also like to have a discussion about ghosts in classic arts in literature all the way up to the present. Because some of the most prestiged works have ghost characters or atleast touch on mans tendancy to accept the supernatural. There are ghosts, demons, deities and certain spirits yet to be identified. Don't go around thinking that energy can be destroyed just because its conduit is disrupted. Who, 500 years ago would have believed in a sort of light that can not be seen by human eyes and yet could pass right through things that are ordinarily opaque? Nobody, until X rays were discovered. We need a way to detect the spirits as the silver oxide film paper detects the X rays.
SwimModSponges Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 "Ghosts" are what we call the sensations and hallucinations caused by sound waves lower than those the human ear has the capacity to accurately receive. Infrasounds can be produced by almost anything in the environment, as well as natural disasters such as earthquakes. These soundwaves trigger fear and dread in humans due to that fact; it's an evolutionary early-warning system many critters take advantage of. Also, the soundwaves can change the presure of the fluids in your eye, causing you to see shit. That's what a ghost is.
SwimModSponges Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: There are ghosts, demons, deities and certain spirits yet to be identified. Don't go around thinking that energy can be destroyed just because its conduit is disrupted. Who, 500 years ago would have believed in a sort of light that can not be seen by human eyes and yet could pass right through things that are ordinarily opaque? Nobody, until X rays were discovered. We need a way to detect the spirits as the silver oxide film paper detects the X rays. Where on the electromagnetic spectrum to you propose ghosts exist? 1
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: "Ghosts" are what we call the sensations and hallucinations caused by sound waves lower than those the human ear has the capacity to accurately receive. Infrasounds can be produced by almost anything in the environment, as well as natural disasters such as earthquakes. These soundwaves trigger fear and dread in humans due to that fact; it's an evolutionary early-warning system many critters take advantage of. Also, the soundwaves can change the presure of the fluids in your eye, causing you to see shit. That's what a ghost is. Right up until it starts manipulating objects.
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: "Ghosts" are what we call the sensations and hallucinations caused by sound waves lower than those the human ear has the capacity to accurately receive. Infrasounds can be produced by almost anything in the environment, as well as natural disasters such as earthquakes. These soundwaves trigger fear and dread in humans due to that fact; it's an evolutionary early-warning system many critters take advantage of. Also, the soundwaves can change the presure of the fluids in your eye, causing you to see shit. That's what a ghost is. congratulations on the most unique explananation of a ghost I've seen yet. What? Can you elaborate on that?
SwimModSponges Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Just like in that documentary, poltergeist, eh? 1
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, SwimModSponges said: Where on the electromagnetic spectrum to you propose ghosts exist? Maybe they're not electromagnetic.
SwimModSponges Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, PhilosipherStoned said: congratulations on the most unique explananation of a ghost I've seen yet. What? Can you elaborate on that? https://gizmodo.com/some-ghosts-may-be-sound-waves-just-below-human-heari-1737065693 https://nerdist.com/spooky-science-the-ghost-frequency/ http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-explanation-behind-ghost-sightings.html https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/infrasound-paranormal-activity.htm
Still Me Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, PhilosipherStoned said: Some people believe in ghosts, and that their souls are trapped; until they succeed at the goal that they've chose at last. I'm trying to form a chorus for a beat I've been sitting on, but while I'm on the subject who here believes in ghosts? Are you a skeptic or do you give a shit either way? I think I honestly want to pay omage to Tupac's Ghost ballad with this, but I'd also like to have a discussion about ghosts in classic arts in literature all the way up to the present. Because some of the most prestiged works have ghost characters or atleast touch on mans tendancy to accept the supernatural. I’ve had a couple of unexplained encounters....but eh to each their own
SwimModSponges Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Maybe they're not electromagnetic. They're not. They're sound waves.
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 1938 Packard said: Maybe they're not electromagnetic. This is where.. Packard can you explain how ghosts couldn't fit on that chart? Or why an advanced understanding of electromagnetism facillitates the existence of ghosts other than the fact that our current advanced instruments pick up things we can't explain..or probably more true to say..the average person can't explain? I hate the whole psuedoscience..we are detecting waves that can't be explained here bullcrap.. just had to state that. Edited March 14, 2018 by PhilosipherStoned
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 Take for example the pyramids of Giza.. or any ancient pryamid made from so many different combined substances and alloys by a people that thought with the principles of alchemy.. Are they channeling aliens? Maybe they just wanted to make a monument that would stand the test of time, and make us ask these questions is what I often think. Maybe they just wanted us to get on the same headtrip they were on when they made it happen. It's been accepted for years that egyptian armies treated their slaves with way more liberty that is generally known. I'm not saying serfdom is a life anyone would want.. My point is some scientists like to take the fact that these structures often give off all the same cues that a haunted building might tenfold.. Some fools even like to brag that 'orbs' can be captured easily at the places. Meh. Why though? Hermetic thought might hold the answer, but it's so symbolic interpreting it is like trying to interpret hebrew thought in the context of biblical scriptures and apply THAT to history.. I spent way to much time rambling with this bullshit.
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 45 minutes ago, SwimModSponges said: They're not. They're sound waves. So, I should be able to set up a subsonic sine wave generator in a bar room and have everyone who drank more than two shots seeing Casper. Interesting... 1
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, PhilosipherStoned said: This is where.. Packard can you explain how ghosts couldn't fit on that chart? Or why an advanced understanding of electromagnetism facillitates the existence of ghosts other than the fact that our current advanced instruments pick up things we can't explain..or probably more true to say..the average person can't explain? I hate the whole psuedoscience..we are detecting waves that can't be explained here bullcrap.. just had to state that. Consider also the notion of Heaven, Hell, The House of Dust and Shadows, Paradise, etc. Why not parallel universes, occasionally becoming crossed? Why do we only perceive things in four dimensions?
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 I've considered all these things, but I don't see the point. I'm more interested in what a 'subsonic sine wave generator' would entail to be honest..
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 It's often so easy to debunk EVP or at least discredit it as proof, that I can laugh away a spirit box.. that's the fakest shit I've seen in the paranormal sector honestly. No one even with the slightest of scientific intent would even include one in an expiriment that's for sure..
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, PhilosipherStoned said: I've considered all these things, but I don't see the point. I'm more interested in what a 'subsonic sine wave generator' would entail to be honest.. Subsonic would mean any sound wave below the human hearing range. Waves come in various forms. You can see them on an oscilloscope. A sine wave is a gradual rise and fall, rounded at the peaks and crests and equal in frequency from either peak to peak or crest to crest. It's not as abrupt as other wave forms. The generator would involve a subwoofer connected to an oscillator. Edited March 14, 2018 by 1938 Packard 1
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) I was hoping you'd provide a more technical aspect of it, but I get you. It's not hard to understand a sound wave though and that's why paranormal enthusiasts don't play that aspect and lean more towards electromagnetism which is much harder to understand because often it requires a chemical and sub-atomic understanding of the substances to fully explain scientifically. Edited March 14, 2018 by PhilosipherStoned
Opium Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 Not ghosts. Time displacements: non-linear time, everyone existing at once, living and dead. Seeing a man from the 1920's sitting in McDonalds though to him he's sitting in a church -- and he is -- but also here in this McDonalds. And me being in that McDonalds being seen by someone in 2147 -- and actually being there -- but also in some apocalyptic concentration camp. 1
1938 Packard Posted March 14, 2018 Posted March 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Goro Majima said: Not ghosts. Time displacements: non-linear time, everyone existing at once, living and dead. Seeing a man from the 1920's sitting in McDonalds though to him he's sitting in a church -- and he is -- but also here in this McDonalds. And me being in that McDonalds being seen by someone in 2147 -- and actually being there -- but also in some apocalyptic concentration camp. Wowsers!
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 Sure it's cool to get into Hawking level theortical physics with the shit, and say something like ghosts can manipulate radio waves because they are communicating with us from another plane of existence. I don't have anywhere near the required experience to debunk the shit with basic principles of electromagnetic radiation, but the people that make these instruments and market them for use in paranormal investigation know that a firm grasp on the subject is hard, but I'm pretty sure I understand how it works on a basic level. I know the difference between radio and normal soundwaves and the corresponding frequencies AND how electromagnetisim comes into the mix..
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) All a spirt box is is a simple frequency hopping device that hops fast enough for different radio frequencies that radio stations use everyday to be cut off enough to make a cryptic statement. If you play with one long enough I'm sure you can record any kind of 'cryptic statement from the realm of the dead' you want I think it's sad that I if I googled spirit boxes now I'd probably find a few top of line devices selling for hundreds of dollars.. Edited March 14, 2018 by PhilosipherStoned
PhilosipherStoned Posted March 14, 2018 Author Posted March 14, 2018 2 hours ago, SwimModSponges said: https://gizmodo.com/some-ghosts-may-be-sound-waves-just-below-human-heari-1737065693 https://nerdist.com/spooky-science-the-ghost-frequency/ http://www.cracked.com/article_18828_the-creepy-scientific-explanation-behind-ghost-sightings.html https://science.howstuffworks.com/science-vs-myth/extrasensory-perceptions/infrasound-paranormal-activity.htm I just briefly skimmed over that whole infrasound compilation you made. It is interesting, but even if it's true it's no smoking gun, but I think everybody can agree that the human mind itself, and it's tendency to fill in the blanks when janky stimulus is recieved is probably the true culprit..at least in the case of the more extravagent or elaborate tales of ghosts we see today. You really think subsonic sounds can facillitate some of the more crazier paranormal phenomina talked about today though? I'm with packard on that I think if we subjected a room full of everyday people to a variety of subsonic frequencies and..while im at the scientific shit lets have a control. Subject two different rooms full of people to subsonic soundwaves, and let the collecitve in one room communicate with each other and maybe we'd have some crazy ghost tales maybe.. The other room which would be the control can't communicate with each other so they all might say "something felt..or seemed off, maybe they'd even say they saw stuff that wasn't there..but I bet no legitimate ghosts would be created in the room. Who knows though right? That would be an interesting expiriment!
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