The Toonami Ratings Thread 1.0 :You are on a new board

[Daos]

Under 700k for a debut. Tsk tsk. Is anyone surprised though? No one wanted this show.

Making Super a premiere might work out well for the block if Super can go back to getting over 1 mil a night. 

Kai has really turned from ratings champ to ratings chump. 77 percent??

But it's good news for Jojo... with the massive failures of Kai and Black Clover before it... Jojo is looking good with 90 percent retention! No more mocking Jojo for soiling itself.

[Misaka]

24 minutes ago, Daos said:

No more mocking Jojo for soiling itself.

Yet

[Blatch]

Even Poke's seeing Black Clover as a failure this early? Huh... come on.

DBZ Kai's total seems a little worse than it is having finished just under a percentile, but it's still bad and inexplicable. It'll be interesting to see if this dynamic holds. Maybe the people watching see there's a new DBZ series on in Super and are going to rest their nostalgia for the original show for a while?

The middle portion was rock solid and Lupin even gained off of HxH for once. Hopefully, that means just as much to the block's success as the lead-off doing well.

Edited December 6, 2017 by Blatch
Again? -_-

[Daos]

It's time for everyone's favorite Toonami Pundit!

 

[Daos]

Oh and Outlaw Star pulled 396 with under 80 percent retention, cementing it as yet another ratings turkey.

[Daos]

8 hours ago, Misaka said:

Gundum and lupin are still missing the toilet and it's all over the floor

Actually.... Lupin beat HxH this week. HEADSHOT

[The1gairon]

I just remembered. One Piece is the latest show in Toonami to have been moved down on the block not due to a new show arriving, but due to low ratings.  With all of cable getting lower average ratings now, what # could get a show to move down now?

[Misaka]

4 minutes ago, Daos said:

Actually.... Lupin beat HxH this week. HEADSHOT

What about the other shows?

Hunter is like mystery meatloaf you don't know if it's good or bad until after you have it

[Blatch]

I think I'll slide this under the door and leave.

[The1gairon]

6 minutes ago, Blatch said:

I think I'll slide this under the door and leave.

Thank you!

[Daos]

Saying "don't worry about the ratings" would fly.... if we weren't watching a block that's been cancelled for low ratings. Wasn't One Piece just cancelled for its low ratings?

Bad ratings = less money. Less money = less dough to shell out for new shows. The new shows that Toonami actually has to compete with Netflix for. Without tons of cash, you're stuck with TG/ Reruns/ Black Clover. The main problem here is that at a time when Toonami needs to be getting better in order to remain competitive... it's getting worse. Way worse.

Cable didn't lose 50 percent of its viewers in a year, Toonami did. It's a horribly run block of TV that seems to cater to the somewhat antiquated tastes of the Toonami crew rather than what viewers might actually like.

It's like a guy who opens a restaurant and then makes weird food that only he and his family enjoy.

 

[PokeNirvash]

The answer's a little more complicated than "bad ratings killed One Piece". More like... "mediocre ratings failing to justify the heightened cost of another batch of episodes killed One Piece". Ironically, the ratings only sunk to their new lows after One Piece was removed. (Though we all know this year's April Fools stunt was what really did it.)

Regardless, your reply proves that, even after someone literally told you via proxy to quit obsessing over ratings, you refuse to leave a dead horse unbeaten.

Edited December 7, 2017 by PokeNirvash

[Daos]

It's an entire thread about ratings. When the ratings are bad, this is something people are going to talk about. Some people don't seem to like the bad news each week. To that all I can say is... come back when there's good news?

[The1gairon]

59 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

Though we all know this year's April Fools stunt was what really did it.

I will stick with this conspiracy theory.

[Blatch]

2 hours ago, Daos said:

Saying "don't worry about the ratings" would fly.... if we weren't watching a block that's been cancelled for low ratings. Wasn't One Piece just cancelled for its low ratings?

Somewhat. They probably could've aired it for a while longer, but the arc after that starts a long chain of interconnected plots that apparently keeps going until the time skip. Had they taken it off at any point without advance warning, the viewers would be mad.

The sole argument I can make in regards to "Toonami's bad, what if they cancel it?" is pretty much what Sketch said in the linked article. They just keep expanding even when we think the ratings suck. If they really were hurting, there would be a contraction. Should you try to refute that, there's nothing else I can say.

[CaptainStarwind]

2 hours ago, Daos said:

Saying "don't worry about the ratings" would fly.... if we weren't watching a block that's been cancelled for low ratings. Wasn't One Piece just cancelled for its low ratings?

Bad ratings = less money. Less money = less dough to shell out for new shows. The new shows that Toonami actually has to compete with Netflix for. Without tons of cash, you're stuck with TG/ Reruns/ Black Clover. The main problem here is that at a time when Toonami needs to be getting better in order to remain competitive... it's getting worse. Way worse.

Cable didn't lose 50 percent of its viewers in a year, Toonami did. It's a horribly run block of TV that seems to cater to the somewhat antiquated tastes of the Toonami crew rather than what viewers might actually like.

It's like a guy who opens a restaurant and then makes weird food that only he and his family enjoy.

 

But is Toonami REALLY trying to compete with Netflix?  I don't think that they are.  Or at the very least, it isn't a priority for them.

We can all try and pretend that Toonami is a major player in the anime world, but the fact of the matter is that it isn't.  Once upon a time, Toonami was the place to go for action anime.  The shows that it aired are now, for the most part, considered classics.  For a lot of people, it changed the way they perceived anime.  But those times are over.  And I think that DeMarco, for all we criticize him, understands that.  He knows that Toonami is never going to be able to compete directly with something like the Internet and Netflix.  Any show that Toonami wants, Netflix can snatch up the rights to if they wanted.  Even if Toonami gets a show, that doesn't guarantee people are going to watch.  People can just as easily wait until the next day, when any number of (illegal) sites will have a recording of it posted for free.  Even if Toonami wanted to be competitive, I don't think it could be.

I don't think Adult Swim expects it to be, either.  If ratings for Toonami really are terrible, then Adult Swim could pull the plug on it any time they wanted to.  They could fill Saturday night with reruns of originals and save the money that was being used for the Toonami budget. But they haven't done that yet.  Instead, Toonami went from 4 hours to 5.5 hours, moved up a full hour earlier than it has ever been on Adult Swim, and apparently has plans to continue into 2021.  Sure, you can say that the last one is just DeMarco lying or stretching the truth, but what about the other two?  How do you explain any of that if Toonami really has been doing terrible in the ratings?  You can't.  Adult Swim doesn't expect ratings on par with what Toonami used to do on daytime TV in 2001.  The ratings Toonami gets now probably meets, or even exceeds their expectations for it. 

[OwlChemist81]

For what it's worth...

	PROGRAM	Viewers (000)	A1849 rating	A1849 (000)
10:30	Dragon Ball Super	1029	0.47	606
11:00	Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	799	0.35	457
11:30	Black Clover (p)	690	0.30	393
12:00a	Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	621	0.28	359
12:30a	Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans	553	0.25	327
1:00a	Hunter X Hunter (r)	526	0.24	308
1:30a	Lupin the 3rd: Part 4	533	0.27	345
2:00a	Naruto: Shippuden (r)	506	0.25	324
2:30a	Outlaw Star (r)	396	0.18	233
3:00a	Cowboy Bebop (r)	404	0.17	324
3:30a	Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig (r)	385	0.16	205

The Family Guy episode leading into Toonami only hit 1.073 million and 0.47 in Adults 18-49, which means it nearly tied with Dragon Ball Super. The rest of the lineup was pretty much business as usual, but at least there were some winners, such as Lupin...

programminginsider.com/saturday-cable-final-nationals-christmas-evergreen-hallmark-leads-total-viewers/

Edited December 13, 2017 by OwlChemist81
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[PokeNirvash]

12 hours ago, Daos said:

Cable didn't lose 50 percent of its viewers in a year, Toonami did.

 

2 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

The Family Guy episode leading into Toonami only hit 1.073 million and 0.47 in Adults 18-49, which means it nearly tied with Dragon Ball Super.

Yeah... you're full of shit.

[Daos]

A 20 year old episode of Family guy only rating slightly higher than one episode of Super means that cable did lose 50 percent of its viewers? What was your point here?

What were Rick and Morty's ratings again?

[PokeNirvash]

If *only* Toonami was losing viewers, wouldn't Family Guy's ratings be much higher?

[Daos]

So you're saying S1 Family Guy should be way higher than Dub premiere Super instead of just slightly higher? I mean Super usually only retains 76-80 percent of Family Guy.

No one said ONLY Toonami is losing viewers. The rest of cable hasn't suffered a massive drop off like Toonami though. Toonami's saving grace right now is that Cartoon Network is doing horribly, so Toonami looks good by comparison.

So people should feel free to worry about the ratings. They're probably safe if they hold where they are now, but if they continue the severe downward trend of the last year, I have a feeling they're gone.

 

[PokeNirvash]

That's a rebuttal I can accept.

[brianycpht]

14 hours ago, elfie said:

I will stick with this conspiracy theory.

This makes me wonder if they are really going to pull something April Fools wise for Toonami?

i thing the safe bet is to just mess with the packaging but leave the shows alone 

[Ginguy]

5 hours ago, brianycpht said:

This makes me wonder if they are really going to pull something April Fools wise for Toonami?

i thing the safe bet is to just mess with the packaging but leave the shows alone 

They are going to air a Jojo marathon to demonstrate their complete contempt for ratings....

 

[OwlChemist81]

First look at ratings for 12/9/17:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-9-2017.html

12/9/2017			Total Viewers		Adults 18-34				Adults 18-49
Time		Show	People	Retention	Rating	Estimate	Retention		Rating	Estimate	Retention	Rank	RankChg
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	1,111,000	N/A	0.59	401,000	N/A		0.48	615,000	N/A	#6	-2
11:00 PM		Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters	888,000	79.93%	0.46	313,000	77.97%		0.38	487,000	79.17%	#7	+0
11:30 PM		Black Clover	733,000	82.55%	0.39	265,000	84.78%		0.31	397,000	81.58%	#14	-3
12:00 AM		JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	628,000	85.68%	0.30	204,000	76.92%		0.26	333,000	83.87%	#19	-4
12:30 AM		Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans	542,000	86.31%	0.26	177,000	86.67%		0.23	295,000	88.46%	#26	-5
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	459,000	84.69%	0.25	170,000	96.15%		0.21	269,000	91.30%	#34	-17

Dragon Ball Super was a champ, hitting a high not seen in 6 months on Toonami, though it did pop a slightly higher "fluke" rating at 8:30 PM on [as] a couple of months ago. All the other shows were chumps, but at least DBZ Kai and Black Clover did markedly better it total viewers, but not demographics. Just 2 hours into Toonami, the 18-34 numbers plunged under 0.3, which most likely means fewer than 200K in that demographic were watching.

This is something which might not need to change, but SHOULD change in the new year. It will be interesting to see how well the marathons do.

Edited December 12, 2017 by OwlChemist81

[Jman]

Losing to both the Lomachenko fight and the Brian Ortega one?  Tut tut Black Clover.  No one likes you.

[OwlChemist81]

The thing is, it SHOULD make sense as an 11:30 show. It's by far the show with the newest animation on the block (the next freshest animation I believe is Gundam IBO and before that Dragon Ball Super), and it SHOULD have the same sort of appeal that made Bleach and Soul Eater great. But I would also say that greatness has yet to manifest itself.

Also, this week was light on college football, so it made sense that it was alright for fighting. UFC Fight Night is not an every week occurrence, and yes we have one this week but it's early. Boxing on ESPN is still quite uncommon. But next week we WILL have lots of College Football Bowl games.

Let's see what it can do with its 3rd episode, but I wonder if it can carry 11:30 for long next year...

Edited December 12, 2017 by OwlChemist81

[Blatch]

Though I'm sure the DBZ hour won't be back at full strength until the new year, this looks like a more accurate schedule. And Black Clover is more accurately seen as a failure. 

[The1gairon]

51 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

First look at ratings for 12/9/17:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-9-2017.html

12/9/2017			Total Viewers		Adults 18-34				Adults 18-49
Time		Show	People	Retention	Rating	Estimate	Retention		Rating	Estimate	Retention	Rank	RankChg
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	1,111,000	N/A	0.59	401,000	N/A		0.48	615,000	N/A	#6	-2
11:00 PM		Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters	888,000	79.93%	0.46	313,000	77.97%		0.38	487,000	79.17%	#7	+0
11:30 PM		Black Clover	733,000	82.55%	0.39	265,000	84.78%		0.31	397,000	81.58%	#14	-3
12:00 AM		JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	628,000	85.68%	0.30	204,000	76.92%		0.26	333,000	83.87%	#19	-4
12:30 AM		Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans	542,000	86.31%	0.26	177,000	86.67%		0.23	295,000	88.46%	#26	-5
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	459,000	84.69%	0.25	170,000	96.15%		0.21	269,000	91.30%	#34	-17

Dragon Ball Super was a champ, hitting a high not seen in 6 months on Toonami, though it did pop a slightly higher "fluke" rating at 8:30 PM on [as] a couple of months ago. All the other shows were chumps, but at least DBZ Kai and Black Clover did markedly better it total viewers, but not demographics. Just 2 hours into Toonami, the 18-34 numbers plunged under 0.3, which most likely means fewer than 200K in that demographic were watching.

This is something which might not need to change, but SHOULD change in the new year. It will be interesting to see how well the marathons do.

This is more like what I wanna see! I wonder what caused the push??

[brianycpht]

At least the earlier part of the block is affected by how well it starts. Higher Super means higher Kai means higher Black Clover. Black Clover isn't performing the way it is due to any active dislike for it I don't think. It's just limited depending on what Kai does. The rest of the block is on par with how it has been doing for months now. Super has a more concentrated audience in the beginning of the block now, but I don't think thats all of a sudden going to get those same people to stick with the block the rest of the night.

As far as the low 18-34, it's possible that we are starting to see a demo shift, where some of the older fans of the original block are starting to age out of the demo or have things going on in their lives which is keeping them from viewing the block live. They aren't necessarily being replaced with new fans as they may not even have a connection to the block. Thats something AS will have to deal with and understand as time goes on and adjust their target demo.

[Daos]

Dropping that non Toonami premiere probably helped Super a bit but I think something else might be going on. All the hype and memes around the latest subbed episodes may be getting people to start tuning in for the dub.

Even ultra instinct Shaggy has over a million views.

 

[Misaka]

Gundum and lupin still failing 

[OwlChemist81]

ShowBuzzDaily updated:

http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-9-2017.html

"On Adult Swim, the DRAGON BALL episodes were at 0.48/0.38 compared to last week’s 0.47/0.35, BLACK CLOVER ticked up to 0.31, JOJO’S BIZARRE ADVENTURES slipped 0.02 to 0.26, MOBILE SUIT GUNDAM dropped 0.02 to 0.23, HUNTER X HUNTER was down 0.01 to 0.23/521K, LUPIN THE 3RD fell 0.06 to 0.21, NARUTO lost 0.05 to 0.20/452K, OUTLAW STAR held at 0.18/390K, COWBOY BEBOP was steady at 0.17/383K, and GHOST IN THE SHELL ticked down to 0.15/342K."

And here's the retention and average in total viewers:

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super		1,111,000	#DIV/0!
11:00 PM		DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters		888,000	(79.93%)
11:30 PM		Black Clover		733,000	(82.55%)
12:00 AM		JJBA: Stardust Crusaders		628,000	(85.68%)
12:30 AM		Gundam IBO S2		542,000	(86.31%)
1:00 AM		Hunter × Hunter		521,000	(96.13%)
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd		459,000	(88.10%)
2:00 AM		Naruto: Shippuden		452,000	(98.47%)
2:30 AM		Outlaw Star HD		390,000	(86.28%)
3:00 AM		Cowboy Bebop HD		383,000	(98.21%)
3:30 AM		GITS: SAC 2nd Gig		342,000	(89.30%)
TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE -				586,273

So, it turns out the total viewers average for the block was only slightly higher than last week's despite the fact that the block got off to a much better start.

ADULTS 18-49			Rating	Viewers (Est.)	Retention
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	0.48	620,000
11:00 PM		DBZ Kai: Final Chapters	0.38	491,000	(79.17%)
11:30 PM		Black Clover	0.31	400,000	(81.58%)
12:00 AM		JJBA: Stardust Crusaders	0.26	336,000	(83.87%)
12:30 AM		Gundam IBO S2	0.23	297,000	(88.46%)
1:00 AM		Hunter × Hunter	0.23	297,000	(100.00%)
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	0.21	271,000	(91.30%)
2:00 AM		Naruto: Shippuden	0.20	258,000	(95.24%)
2:30 AM		Outlaw Star HD	0.18	233,000	(90.00%)
3:00 AM		Cowboy Bebop HD	0.17	220,000	(94.44%)
3:30 AM		GITS: SAC 2nd Gig	0.15	194,000	(88.24%)
TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE -			0.23	328,818

Edited December 12, 2017 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

The 18-49's, reposted with corrected color scale and average:

ADULTS 18-49			Rating	Viewers (Est.)	Retention
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	0.48	620,000
11:00 PM		DBZ Kai: Final Chapters	0.38	491,000	(79.17%)
11:30 PM		Black Clover	0.31	400,000	(81.58%)
12:00 AM		JJBA: Stardust Crusaders	0.26	336,000	(83.87%)
12:30 AM		Gundam IBO S2	0.23	297,000	(88.46%)
1:00 AM		Hunter × Hunter	0.23	297,000	(100.00%)
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	0.21	271,000	(91.30%)
2:00 AM		Naruto: Shippuden	0.20	258,000	(95.24%)
2:30 AM		Outlaw Star HD	0.18	233,000	(90.00%)
3:00 AM		Cowboy Bebop HD	0.17	220,000	(94.44%)
3:30 AM		GITS: SAC 2nd Gig	0.15	194,000	(88.24%)
TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE -			0.23	328,818

Please note that this is also a slight increase over the previous week if the average of these estimated numbers are correct. We shall see later today if they are!

[Ginguy]

I see Jojo soiling the entire block after it in key demo.

Black Clover starts slow, but it is doing slightly better, I think it will find an audience given time. The first four eps are really hard to get through.

IBO will possibly see a pick up when everyone starts dying one by one....

 

[OwlChemist81]

The final turnout in the Alabama Senate Special Election was about 1.2 million, which means that fewer people watched Dragon Ball Super on Toonami last weekend.

And more voted for Roy Moore than watched JoJo: Stardust Crusaders.

[OwlChemist81]

Guys, it really happened! Doug Jones won the AL Senate race with fewer voters than people in the U.S. who watched Black Clover on Saturday night...

AND DRAGON BALL SUPER BEAT FAMILY GUY, WINNING THE NIGHT ON [AS]!!!

http://programminginsider.com/saturday-cable-final-nationals-heisman-trophy-presentation-sinks-16-year-viewer-low/

Family Guy (ADSM, 10:00 PM, 30 min.)
– 1.051 million viewers (#32)
– 0.44 A18-49 (#15)

Dragon Ball Super (ADSM, 10:30 PM, 30 min.)
– 1.111 million viewers (#30)
– 0.48 A18-49 (#13)

Just wait until DBS stops dicking around with this asinine filler-ish nonsense and gets back to the main storyline next year!

ALSO...

	PROGRAM	Viewers (000)	A1849 rating	A1849 (000)
10:30	Dragon Ball Super	1111	0.48	622
11:00	Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	888	0.38	486
11:30	Black Clover	733	0.31	396
12:00a	Jojo’s Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	628	0.26	336
12:30a	Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans	542	0.23	292
1:00a	Hunter X Hunter (r)	521	0.23	292
1:30a	Lupin the 3rd: Part 4	459	0.21	265
2:00a	Naruto: Shippuden (r)	452	0.20	257
2:30a	Outlaw Star (r)	390	0.18	230
3:00a	Cowboy Bebop (r)	383	0.17	222
3:30a	Ghost in the Shell: 2nd Gig (r)	342	0.15	195

Edited December 13, 2017 by OwlChemist81
Formatting Change

[The1gairon]

6 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

The final turnout in the Alabama Senate Special Election was about 1.2 million, which means that fewer people watched Dragon Ball Super on Toonami last weekend.

And more voted for Roy Moore than watched JoJo: Stardust Crusaders.

You realize the polls weren't likely open during the block (not to mention how it wasn't on a Saturday). .... in fact, how is the election related to any of this?

[OwlChemist81]

It's not. The polls weren't open during the block; they were 7 AM-7 PM yesterday like always, but that isn't the point. Just fun to see which shows on the lineup beat the voter turnout for either candidate. But since one is just in the state of Alabama and the other is nationwide, kinda like comparing apples and oranges! It was just a goofy thing kinda like when [as] was using city populations to describe ratings in the Numbers Game in early 2008.

Edited December 13, 2017 by OwlChemist81

[Blatch]

1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Guys, it really happened! Doug Jones won the AL Senate race with fewer voters than people in the U.S. who watched Black Clover on Saturday night...

That margin of victory, though... real Mnet America hours.

[OwlChemist81]

1 hour ago, Blatch said:

That margin of victory, though... real Mnet America hours.

More like Chiller's ill-fated anime block in 2015 that lasted all of 3 weeks, at a time when Toonami on [as] was at its zenith!

Now, well at least THIS happened:

TOTAL VIEWERS RETENTION
10:00 PM	Family Guy		1,051,000
10:30 PM	Dragon Ball Super		1,111,000	(105.71%)
11:00 PM	DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters		888,000	(79.93%)
11:30 PM	Black Clover		733,000	(82.55%)
12:00 AM	JJBA: Stardust Crusaders		628,000	(85.68%)
12:30 AM	Gundam IBO S2		542,000	(86.31%)
1:00 AM	Hunter × Hunter		521,000	(96.13%)
1:30 AM	Lupin The 3rd		459,000	(88.10%)
2:00 AM	Naruto: Shippuden		452,000	(98.47%)
2:30 AM	Outlaw Star HD		390,000	(86.28%)
3:00 AM	Cowboy Bebop HD		383,000	(98.21%)
3:30 AM	GITS: SAC 2nd Gig		342,000	(89.30%)
TOONAMI TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE -			586,273

For the first time in I don't even know HOW long, a Toonami show has won the night on [as], not only in total viewers, but in Adults 18-49 as well:

TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE -			Rating	Viewers (Est.)	Retention
10:00 PM		Family Guy	0.44	568,000
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	0.48	622,000	(109.09%)
11:00 PM		DBZ Kai: Final Chapters	0.38	486,000	(79.17%)
11:30 PM		Black Clover	0.31	396,000	(81.58%)
12:00 AM		JJBA: Stardust Crusaders	0.26	336,000	(83.87%)
12:30 AM		Gundam IBO S2	0.23	292,000	(88.46%)
1:00 AM		Hunter × Hunter	0.23	292,000	(100.00%)
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	0.21	265,000	(91.30%)
2:00 AM		Naruto: Shippuden	0.20	257,000	(95.24%)
2:30 AM		Outlaw Star HD	0.18	230,000	(90.00%)
3:00 AM		Cowboy Bebop HD	0.17	222,000	(94.44%)
3:30 AM		GITS: SAC 2nd Gig	0.15	195,000	(88.24%)
TOONAMI ADULTS 18-49 AVERAGE -			0.23	326,636

Not too shabby: almost a 10% increase of DB Super over the previous slot! However, those ARE SERIES LOWS for both Gundam IBO and Hunter x Hunter, which indicates we're not out of the woods yet. Also, I was WAY wrong about the average last week: it was actual 352,818, so we tumbled over 26K this week!

Finally, what else?

CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES
Total Viewers
Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres)	-	835,675	(40 episodes)
Dragon Ball Super (Toonami)	-	1,008,488	(43 episodes)
Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	-	919,909	(44 episodes)
Black Clover	-	711,500	(2 episodes)
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	-	645,235	(17 episodes)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans S2	-	569,125	(7 episodes)
Hunter × Hunter	-	738,263	(76 episodes)
Lupin the 3rd	-	499,273	(22 episodes)
Naruto: Shippuden	-	805,101	(184 episodes)
Outlaw Star	-	419,071	(14 episodes)
Cowboy Bebop	-	403,000	(11 episodes)
Ghost In The Shell: S.A.C. 2nd Gig	-	385,000	(5 episodes)
Adults 18-49
Dragon Ball Super (Prime Time Premieres)	-	422,700	(40 episodes)
Dragon Ball Super (Toonami)	-	609,953	(43 episodes)
Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	-	553,000	(44 episodes)
Black Clover	-	394,500	(2 episodes)
JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	-	393,118	(17 episodes)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans S2	-	348,500	(8 episodes)
Hunter × Hunter	-	441,855	(76 episodes)
Lupin the 3rd	-	298,273	(22 episodes)
Naruto: Shippuden	-	448,453	(167 episodes)
Outlaw Star	-	258,643	(14 episodes)
Cowboy Bebop	-	255,545	(11 episodes)
Ghost In The Shell: S.A.C. 2nd Gig	-	247,000	(5 episodes)
Adults 18-34 (Estimated)
Dragon Ball Super (All Premieres)	-	278,439	(41 episodes)
Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	-	373,295	(44 episodes)
JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders	-	264,188	(16 episodes)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans S2	-	228,500	(8 episodes)
Lupin the 3rd	-	204,900	(20 episodes)

Lupin, I believe in you making it over 500K/300K 18-49/200K 18-34 on average! Only 4 more episodes to go! And it looks like DBS will be the one and only Toonami show to average over a million for 2017! Please note that now its 18-34 average includes all of its premieres. Since premieres moved to 10:30 PM, it has averaged 384K in 18-34.

Edited December 13, 2017 by OwlChemist81

[OwlChemist81]

Edit to the 18-34s because I left out Black Clover:

Adults 18-34 (Estimated)
Dragon Ball Super (All Premieres)	-	278,439	(41 episodes)
Dragon Ball Super at 10:30 PM	-	384,000	(2 episodes)
Dragon Ball Z Kai: The Final Chapters	-	373,295	(44 episodes)
Black Clover	-	272,000	(2 episodes)
JoJo's Bizarre Adv.: Stardust Crusaders	-	264,188	(16 episodes)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans S2	-	228,500	(8 episodes)
Lupin the 3rd	-	204,900	(20 episodes)

[PokeNirvash]

So this is what the ratings are like when I hold off on watching most of the shows for just a few days...

[Ginguy]

11 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

The final turnout in the Alabama Senate Special Election was about 1.2 million, which means that fewer people watched Dragon Ball Super on Toonami last weekend.

And more voted for Roy Moore than watched JoJo: Stardust Crusaders.

 

So Jojo is a worse draw than a pedophile....

 

 

[OwlChemist81]

Final ratings report of 2017, and despite GREAT gains before midnight, after midnight I'm afraid it's business as usual:

www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-12-16-2017.html

Because my long tables completely break the page on mobile, I won't be posting one, at least not yet. If this stays on Page 55, which is already broken, I might.

Ahhh, what the hell...

12/16/2017			Total Viewers		Adults 18-34				Adults 18-49
Time		Show	People	Retention	Rating	Estimate	Retention		Rating	Estimate	Retention	Rank	RankChg
10:30 PM		Dragon Ball Super	1,236,000	N/A	0.66	449,000	N/A		0.54	692,000	N/A	#9	-3
11:00 PM		Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters	1,103,000	89.24%	0.61	415,000	92.42%		0.48	615,000	88.89%	#12	-5
11:30 PM		Black Clover	836,000	75.79%	0.44	299,000	72.13%		0.37	474,000	77.08%	#15	-1
12:00 AM		JoJo's Bizarre Adventure: Stardust Crusaders	617,000	73.80%	0.37	251,000	84.09%		0.30	385,000	81.08%	#20	-1
12:30 AM		Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans	501,000	81.20%	0.30	204,000	81.08%		0.23	295,000	76.67%	#31	-5
1:30 AM		Lupin The 3rd	422,000	84.23%	0.23	156,000	76.67%		0.19	244,000	82.61%	#45	-11

Though it DOES go without saying I'll be finding a new way to display this data in the new year. Anyway, FWIW, over normal lineups, December has been a pretty big success, and not counting the marathon, DBS' average in 2017 shall indeed be over a million. And DBZ Kai has just proven it MIGHT still have it in 2018. Plus Black Clover has only grown its audience by the week; let's see if THAT continues into 2018. While the rest of the known part of the lineup was effectively lower in total viewers, in some of the key demographics for JoJo and Gundam, this lineup was a marked improvement over last week, despite the fact that everything was ranked lower. I blame the NFL for that, which monopolized the Top 7 slots and produced a Walking Dead or Game of Thrones-like effect and belittled almost everything else, including the lineup of lower-tier Bowl games on ESPN! Well, I guess "TNF" needed better ratings to stay marketable...

Edited December 19, 2017 by OwlChemist81
Date correction

[The1gairon]

Wow.

People REALLY HATE Black Clover!!

[Jman]

3 minutes ago, elfie said:

Wow.

People REALLY HATE Black Clover!!

Everyone ragged on AGK but despite the rehashed plot that had likable characters, a lot of action, and waifu bait.  

Black Clover has Screamy McScreamington.

[brianycpht]

This was a strange night for Kai, which doesn't usualy retain Super that well. Black Clover got a little lift as a result, every week its audience is growing. I think the block is on an upswing and the gains will gradually go deeper into the block as the weeks go on. The holidays may throw things off when we come back in January, but Super is getting alot of buzz because of a certain special guest star VA in the next episode. If Funimation and Toonami keep up the promotion, we could get more people than average tuning in for it on January 6th! I hope Super beat Family Guy again!

The drop going into Jojo and beyond does make me wonder how HxH and Shipuden faired. I feel like Hunter in particular is being wasted at 1:00 and would work well following Black Clover. 

Poor Lupin, but he's almost finished his run and I'm glad he got another shot on TV! Who knows though, depending on what kind of deal they got with TMS/Discotek, it may have done what was expected of it!

Edited December 19, 2017 by brianycpht

[PokeNirvash]

Jojo may have soiled the sheets, but Black Clover diarrhea'd the whole damn mattress.

[Blatch]

Shows whose titles start with "Black" ruin everything.

And it's really a shame since the Dragon Ball hour is doing so good now, and they could be parlaying that into much-wanted gains for JoJo's. But who are we to talk? It looks like the ratings suck, so they're probably good... or something like that.