Bookend47 Posted February 4, 2017 Share Posted February 4, 2017 Future's looking bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I sure hope Goku vs. Beerus round one brings in some ratings and the rest of a honestly largely action light Toonami will manage to hold onto those viewers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Well, unfortunately, not much of a bump: 2/4/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #17 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.39 Estimated 18-34 - 265,000 ( 29.22% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.32 Estimated 18-49 - 410,000 ( 45.20% ) Total Viewers - 907,000 2/4/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #2 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.65 Estimated 18-34 - 442,000 ( 39.12% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.52 Estimated 18-49 - 667,000 ( 59.03% ) Total Viewers - 1,130,000 2/4/2017 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - #9 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.51 Estimated 18-34 - 347,000 ( 43.92% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.38 Estimated 18-49 - 487,000 ( 61.65% ) Total Viewers - 790,000 2/4/2017 Gundam Unicorn - #10 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.49 Estimated 18-34 - 333,000 ( 42.97% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.36 Estimated 18-49 - 462,000 ( 59.61% ) Total Viewers - 775,000 Also interesting is the fact that Happy Feet Two actually made the list at #11 in 18-49 and Super at 8 PM LOST 6 spots and 0.04 in 18-49 from it! That should NOT be the case! Well, more to come, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 These ratings are the shits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaka Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Final chapter looking good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 JoJo, not so much. [i blame super reruns] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sketch Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 I really doubt the 8PM Super is causing much damage. Unless Super dropped big time from Family Guy this week, there's no good reason to be concerned about a negative impact from the 8pm premieres. I will say though after a month I expected more from a power hour of Dragon Ball but it really just shows how far cable has fallen from the days when Family Guy would regularly break 2 million viewers. If this is the new norm, I guess it is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 At this point, 1.5M seems as impossible to get as 2M originally was. We're going to have to accept that if we want to be happy about the ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 At this point, 1.5M seems as impossible to get as 2M originally was. We're going to have to accept that if we want to be happy about the ratings. I disagree, but it's also true that Dragon Ball Super episodes from 2015 that, even though dub premieres, are rehashes of a movie that came out in theaters 3 years ago just aren't enough to cut it with both a premiere that airs at a weird time and its rerun kicking off Toonami. But here comes Samurai Jack in March, premiering at 11:00 PM. Unless they stealth-premiere those new episodes at 8:30 PM rather than having those be encores if they leave Jack in its current rerun slot, I daresay we can get the 1.5-2M range back for the 11 PM hour. Double that chance if Attack on Titan Season 2 replaces JoJo Season 1 but airs at 11:30 instead of 12:30, bumping the Dragon Ball hour to the midnight hour and at least temporarily creating a "Jack/Attack" hour that could rule Toonami better than the Resurrection of F excerpt-fueled episode of DBZ Kai and Akame ga KILL! series premiere combo did back in late summer 2015. Also, keep in mind by then Super WILL be on Resurrection of F material, and you get the picture that light might be brighter than you can see right now! Alternatively, I suppose Samurai Jack could be "split cour" of 5-episode mini-seasons and be replaced by Attack on Titan Season 2 on April 15th, but that turnaround might be short even for a FUNimation Broadcast dub (yes, I'm still calling them that despite the new "Simul-dub" misnomer). Point is, Super may have been fool's gold, at least so far, but there is light at the end of the tunnel, and he's trying to get back to the past wielding a magical samurai sword!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 Well, I daresay this kicks a little ass!! Dragon Ball Super scores a rounded 0.6 at 11:30! http://tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/saturday-cable-ratings-feb-4-2017/ Super officially joins the "featured on TVBTN" club along with One-Punch Man, DBZ Kai, Akame ga KILL!, Michiko & Hatchin, Sword Art Online II, Kill la Kill, Attack on Titan, and Bleach! Now we know the following: 6:00 PM CN - Happy Feet Two 1,302,000 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 906,000 (69.59%) 11:00 PM Family Guy 1,436,000 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,282,000 (89.28%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,130,000 (88.14%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 790,000 (69.91%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 775,000 (98.10%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 733,000 (94.58%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 695,000 (94.82%) 2:30 AM One Piece 597,000 (85.90%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell 501,000 (83.92%) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 812,875 Unfortunately, this week the entire 2 AM hour missed the Top 100, as did Ghost In The Shell at 3 AM in Sunday's Top 100. But I was still able to provide the last 3 slots with the update to ShowBuzzDaily: http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/articles/showbuzzdailys-top-150-saturday-cable-originals-network-finals-2-4-2017.html. This is now the 2nd lowest lineup of 2017 so far in terms of total viewers; however due to the fact that the 3rd week REALLY tanked (683K), it was still above average for 2017 so far! CURRENT TOONAMI SHOW AVERAGES - Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,217,200 (5 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,085,400 (5 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 949,800 (15 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 757,200 (5 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 874,432 (37 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 880,094 (144 episodes) One Piece - 794,506 (172 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 501,000 (1 episode) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 JoJo this week got some of the worst retention I've ever seen. Is the flamboyant manliness too much for people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterMoltar Posted February 7, 2017 Share Posted February 7, 2017 JoJo, not so much. [i blame super reruns] While no one was expecting Jojo to do as well at 12:30 as OPM, I was hoping it would do a bit better than it has been. There's no point in swapping it with Gundam at this point since it wouldn't do that much better. With all the stuff that's potentially coming soon (AoT S2, IBO S2, JoJo Part 3, other surprises), it's hard to say if they should try putting something new at 12:30 to try and retain that DBZ Kai audience better, even if that means pushing Jojo, Gundam, and HxH back (which kind of screws over HxH, but I'm also not convinced it should leapfrog everything and air at 12:30/1:00). The retention after 1 AM is very good overall, so those shows should still do high 0.3 or 0.4 adult ratings even 30 minutes later. At this point, 1.5M seems as impossible to get as 2M originally was. We're going to have to accept that if we want to be happy about the ratings. Even Family Guy only got 1.4 million/0.7 adults again last weekend, so the fact that Super and Kai got 1.3/0.6 and 1.1/0.5 respectively is very good for them. The other shows on the other nights don't do that well following FG. If FG can't regularly draw 2 million anymore, then nothing on AS is reaching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Bad block of anime, bad ratings. Not much else to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Ok, what say we finish this?? http://programminginsider.com/ratings/final-nationals/saturday-final-nationals-nfl-honors-dips-3-year-low-total-viewers-2014-fox-telecast/ This new information gives us... ADULTS 18-49 RETENTION 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 407,000 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 323,000 (79.36%) 11:00 PM Family Guy 893,000 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 782,000 (87.57%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 672,000 (85.93%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 482,000 (71.73%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 468,000 (97.10%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 433,000 (92.52%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 422,000 (97.46%) 2:30 AM One Piece 375,000 (88.86%) 3:00 AM One-Punch Man 319,000 (85.07%) ADULTS 18-49 TOONAMI AVERAGE - 494,125 That average is #3 for the year so far (yes, only out of 5), but is, like the total viewers average, definitely above the average for 2017! And finally... CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 906,000 (5 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30 PM) - 640,000 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,217,200 (5 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,085,400 (5 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 949,800 (15 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 757,200 (5 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 874,432 (37 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 880,094 (144 episodes) One Piece - 794,506 (172 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 501,000 (1 episode) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Estimate) - 430,600 (5 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30, Estimate) - 295,667 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 730,200 (5 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 646,600 (5 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 573,067 (15 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 450,600 (5 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 515,027 (37 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 486,675 (127 episodes) One Piece - 432,236 (127 episodes) One Punch Man Rerun - 382,750 (12 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 294,000 (4 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 437,600 (5 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 382,933 (15 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 308,400 (5 episodes) Really not too bad, but I know these shows can do better, right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 http://www.showbuzzdaily.com/ 2/11/2017 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - #16 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.43 Estimated 18-34 - 292,000 ( 33.41% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.33 Estimated 18-49 - 423,000 ( 48.40% ) Total Viewers - 874,000 2/11/2017 DBZ Kai: Final Chapters - #2 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.73 Estimated 18-34 - 496,000 ( 43.89% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.52 Estimated 18-49 - 667,000 ( 59.03% ) Total Viewers - 1,130,000 2/11/2017 JoJo's Bizarre Adventure - #4 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.6 Estimated 18-34 - 408,000 ( 45.48% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.42 Estimated 18-49 - 538,000 ( 59.98% ) Total Viewers - 897,000 2/11/2017 Gundam Unicorn - #8 Adults 18-34 Rating - 0.52 Estimated 18-34 - 353,000 ( 44.85% ) Adults 18-49 Rating - 0.37 Estimated 18-49 - 474,000 ( 60.23% ) Total Viewers - 787,000 Slight improvement this week, but I doubt things will get much better until Samurai Jack Season 5 arrives. 8 PM DB Super is just killing 11:30's Toonami lead-in potential, and that 8:30 rerun of Samurai Jack, despite being a nice gift, really ain't helping. Hopefully 11 PM SJS5 premieres in 4 weeks will turn the tide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 I thought we used the mnemonic known as "killing" when something was doing well? :brownbottle: ShowBuzzDaily got the rest of the numbers in (unless you care about the 8:30 SamJack rerun), and they're nothing special. Most everything was the either the same or down slightly, but Ghost in the Shell (at 530K vs 501 last week) had a slight upward tick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 So screw y'all; here we go courtesy of the usual sources... 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 874,000 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 667,000 (76.32%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 1,233,000 (78.84%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 1,130,000 (91.65%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 897,000 (79.38%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 787,000 (87.74%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 683,000 (86.79%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 671,000 (98.24%) 2:30 AM One Piece 590,000 (87.93%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 530,000 (89.83%) TOTAL VIEWERS AVERAGE - 815,125 8:00 PM Dragon Ball Super 421,000 8:30 PM Samurai Jack 335,000 (79.57%) 11:30 PM Dragon Ball Super 765,000 (83.06%) 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 665,000 (86.93%) 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 540,000 (81.20%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 472,000 (87.41%) 1:30 AM Hunter × Hunter 392,000 (83.05%) 2:00 AM Naruto: Shippuden 376,000 (95.92%) 2:30 AM One Piece 345,000 (91.76%) 3:00 AM Ghost In The Shell HD 347,000 (100.58%) ADULTS 18-49 TOONAMI AVERAGE - 487,750 ADULTS 18-34: 12:00 AM DBZ Kai: The Final Chapters 0.73 12:30 AM JoJo's Bizarre Adventure 0.60 (82.19%) 1:00 AM Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn 0.52 (86.67%) CURRENT SHOW AVERAGES Total Viewers Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 900,667 (6 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30 PM) - 640,000 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 1,219,833 (6 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 1,092,833 (6 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 946,500 (16 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 762,167 (6 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 870,711 (38 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 878,652 (145 episodes) One Piece - 793,324 (173 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 515,500 (2 episodes) Adults 18-49 Dragon Ball Super (8 PM, Estimate) - 429,000 (6 episodes) Samurai Jack Rerun (8:30, Estimate) - 295,667 (3 episodes) Dragon Ball Super (11:30 PM) - 736,000 (6 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 649,667 (6 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 571,000 (16 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 454,167 (6 episodes) Hunter × Hunter - 511,789 (38 episodes) Naruto: Shippuden - 485,810 (128 episodes) One Piece - 431,555 (128 episodes) Ghost In The Shell HD - 333,000 (2 episodes) Adults 18-34 (Estimated) Dragon Ball Super (8 PM) - 293,600 (5 episodes) Dragon Ball Z Kai: Final Chapters - 447,333 (6 episodes) Jojo's Bizarre Adventure - 384,500 (16 episodes) Mobile Suit Gundam Unicorn - 315,833 (6 episodes) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 JoJo has struck again with terrible retention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 JoJo has struck again with terrible retention. They might want to try another show in that slot if they do go ahead and license Stardust Crusaders right after these current episodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 They might want to try another show in that slot if they do go ahead and license Stardust Crusaders right after these current episodes. I kind of hope they wait a bit before going ahead with Stardust Crusaders. Don't get me wrong, I like JoJo and want it on Toonami, but it would be nice to get another show in there before JoJo locks down a slot for another six months. And of course, when JoJo comes back they can try it a little later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 There is another bright spot that has gone unmentioned: the 18-34 ratings. They've actually never been higher for DBZ Kai: Final Chapters or Gundam Unicorn, and this is the highest number recorded for JoJo in 2017 to boot; the first time it's topped 400K this year! I guess that correlates with another amazing night for trending: http://toonamifaithful.com/toonami-trending-rundown-for-february-11-12-2017/ Every Toonami proper show hit #1 now for back-to-back weeks and One Piece had at least one character trend for the 5th weekend in a row (two this week in fact)!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 AS Toonami's biggest flaw is that it sometimes plugs in bad series into its lineup and then refuses to pull the plug on the series when they don't do well. Cartoon Network had a habit of forcing the Toonami programmers to get rid of crap when it was failing. It's time to can JoJo, put Gundam Unicorn up in the line-up so I don't have to stay up until 1:30 when I'm about to pass out,, and accept that JoJo is quite overrated. Whatever happened to getting Funimation's recent dub of Escaflowne? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 You could stay that Toonami is being stubborn when it comes to canning shows people don't like... but those are probably vocal minorities who won't listen to anyone. And considering how low the floor for [adult swim] as a whole seems to be, I doubt any of these shows are failing at all. Especially One Piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I kind of hope they wait a bit before going ahead with Stardust Crusaders. Don't get me wrong, I like JoJo and want it on Toonami, but it would be nice to get another show in there before JoJo locks down a slot for another six months. And of course, when JoJo comes back they can try it a little later. Actually Stardust would last almost a full year. But yeah, fair point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Naruto is pretty much dead even with HxH again, at a worse time slot. What's the point of getting new shows like HxH if they can't even outperform Naruto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just remember that Hiatus and OP still air but DeMarco not only cancelled Metalocalypse in spite of its ratings, but won't even sell the rights to Brendon Smalls. I'll let that sit with all of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Just remember that Hiatus and OP still air but DeMarco not only cancelled Metalocalypse in spite of its ratings, but won't even sell the rights to Brendon Smalls. I'll let that sit with all of you. Probably the cost. Creating new seasons of a show is expensive. Airing HxH and OP late at night probably isn't and they preform well enough for their time slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 If it was cost, he would have sold the rights to Small when he offered to buy them, not go "Not for sale, this show stays dead." All the while One Piece of Crap and Hiatus x Hiatus continue to pollute the airwaves with apathy and low ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I do wish they get rid of Naruto though. I wouldn't even mind Fairy Tail replacing it at this point. Naruto is so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 If it was cost, he would have sold the rights to Small when he offered to buy them, not go "Not for sale, this show stays dead." All the while One Piece of Crap and Hiatus x Hiatus continue to pollute the airwaves with apathy and low ratings. Quite simply, the ones educated with ratings are content with their performance, and the one not educated with ratings (you) are not. I think we'll all know who is more credible here. And it's not you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 but DeMarco not only cancelled Metalocalypse That was Mike Lazzo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Also last I checked it's your precious JoJo that is bringing the whole night down. Focus on that if you wanna point fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 You just admitted to losing. Because you have no recourse. As usual. Your show bombs and it's all "b...but the experts...". Toonami is not run like a normal network. We should have realized that when DeMarco admitted to going to bat for OP repeatedly when cancellation was suggested AND DESERVED. The only reason, and both Lazzo and Small admitted this ON THE RECORD, for not selling the Metalocalypse rights back to Smalls, was because Lazzo PERSONALLY DID NOT LIKE IT. Ratings? Fan base? The money? Doesn't matter. He said the show was getting "too plot heavy" and cancelled it for that reason. He didn't like it, so therefore no one likes it and it has to die. Shit like that is why Adam Reed is with FX and shows that would have been on CN five years ago like Voltron are Netflix exclusives. Straight up, if Thundercats debuted this year instead of 2011, it would be on Netflix and wouldn't have been cancelled. Might have sucked less too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Also last I checked it's your precious JoJo that is bringing the whole night down. Focus on that if you wanna point fingers. JoJo is over in ten weeks, not ten years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 That was Mike Lazzo. My bad. I meant to say Lazzo. That was also the same Reddit interview where he addressed the lack of women writers but that is another can of worms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blatch Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I said earlier that the floor for most [as] shows is probably a lot lower than everyone's tastes want it to be. Jman clearly doesn't understand that. I have not heard at all that One Piece was in danger of being canceled, but more like DeMarco decided to go waxing lyrical about it to the network's high brass. Quite frankly, I feel like we shouldn't have a ratings thread anymore... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokeNirvash Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 I've felt that way since certain people decided that "less than 1M viewers" means "automatically bad ratings". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 We need the ratings. They are very important and ignoring them will not make the consequences go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OwlChemist81 Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 And you need people like me, who are able to find both positives and negatives out of just about every ratings report! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 15, 2017 Share Posted February 15, 2017 Lets be honest, most of these shows could lose another 50 percent and still not be canceled. It's a very low floor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianycpht Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 You are right on the money. I never get too worried about the total viewers or even the 18-49 ratings. I go straight to the 18-34, which I believe is AS's target demo. Remember those ratings ranking cards from years back, they always ranked them by 18-34. They probably do not want to say this publicly, but I think what they really care about is 12-34 viewers, particularly the male viewers. DBZ KAI actually did a 1.01 this week in that demo. They won't really go after the teenagers directly, but I believe they see value in the demo as future viewers. Look at the ads that they run, mostly fast food, video games, and action/comedy movies. These mostly seem to be for the young male demographic. I've noticed this year that the block has gone more male focused with the majority of its show shonen. If that's who they're going after, then they should be happy with the current ratings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 We need the ratings. They are very important and ignoring them will not make the consequences go away. You have no idea what you're taking about anyway. So the ratings can stay, but you can kindly stop being annoying. But who am I kidding, that's impossible for a hater like you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jman Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just because One Piece sucks doesn't make people haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Just because One Piece sucks doesn't make people haters. Just because people dislike OP, doesn't make them haters, true. But you are a hater. Because you go on and on about it. And that - is a hater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moose Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Which makes you unqualified to talk about such things. Perhaps I'm unqualified too. So let's both shut the fuck about things we have no clue about, and trust the professionals. But you can't do that, because you're an insufferable twit who thinks his view is worth a damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStarwind Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I never liked Metalocalypse so the fact that Lazzo screwed it over doesn't affect me. Yes, Toonami "needs" ratings, but it doesn't need spectacular ratings. Toonami was brought back to bring some life to a dying action block that was ASA, and in that respect it's been successful. Besides, Adult Swim itself has been down in the ratings for a while. Why should Toonami be expected to continue to succeed while Adult Swim isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Toonami's getting the exact same ratings in the 18-34 demographic that ASA got throughout its ten year history. There was clearly discord for years at Williams Street in terms of how it wanted to handle anime, especially when ASA became assimilated into Adult Swim proper in the black & white bump era. I always felt there was a faction that wanted to keep let ASA keep its own spot (the ones who made it all anime when ASA Saturdays were revived in 2004), and a faction that wanted to assimilate action and comedy under the AS brand, sparking comedy lead-ins on Saturday starting with Futurama in '04, followed by Family Guy and The Boondocks in later years, thus causing loyal ASA and anime fans to riot and rebel against the evil comedy invasion. Toonami has the luxury of being guaranteed its timeslots because of all the packaging and money that goes into producing it, and it runs in an age when AS doesn't have three or four relatively fresh, mega comedy series that get ratings that threaten its existence, and yet it still doesn't perform better than ASA did because of the laughable quality of many of its series (and the list of duds is quite extensive). Look at that! Ghost in the Shell, being rerun for the millionth time, is getting better ratings than One-Punch Man, a Toonami original acquisition, did in the same slot. Anime people know what the game's all about. You're not going to trick non-children into thinking Hunter x Hunter, One Piece, and Naruto: Shippuden are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenigundam Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The people at Toonami are going to end up getting it cancelled again. Here's what Zenigundam sees as being a much better solution to this stale, little kiddie shonen Toonami dilemma. 11:00 Dragon Ball Super (It's sucky and for babies so far, but you have to show it since somebody thought it was a good idea to blow money on it) 11:30 Samurai Jack (Yeah this better not be for little ass kids) 12:00 Gundam Unicorn (How about you finally move it up?) 12:30 DBZ Kai (Yeah, if it's so great, then it'll get people to watch anywhere) Now here's where we start cleaning house 1:00 Escaflowne HD Funimation dub (Yeah... Let's get real for once) 1:30 Mazinger Edition Z: The Impact (Yes! Let's go! This is a true anime) 2:00 JoJo (Should be canceled, but have to eat that sunk cost. Now it can't ruin ratings) 2:30 Attack on Titan (Bring it back since Season 2 will assuredly air on Toonami) 3:00 Ghost in the Shell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daos Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Actually Zeni those One punch numbers weren't for all viewers, the last episode was 3:00 AM One-Punch Man 671,000 (107.02%) It actually beat it's lead in one piece most of the time I think. So yeah it gets better ratings than Ghost =P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasqueradeOverture Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 The people at Toonami are going to end up getting it cancelled again. Here's what Zenigundam sees as being a much better solution to this stale, little kiddie shonen Toonami dilemma. 11:00 Dragon Ball Super (It's sucky and for babies so far, but you have to show it since somebody thought it was a good idea to blow money on it) 11:30 Samurai Jack (Yeah this better not be for little ass kids) 12:00 Gundam Unicorn (How about you finally move it up?) 12:30 DBZ Kai (Yeah, if it's so great, then it'll get people to watch anywhere) Now here's where we start cleaning house 1:00 Escaflowne HD Funimation dub (Yeah... Let's get real for once) 1:30 Mazinger Edition Z: The Impact (Yes! Let's go! This is a true anime) 2:00 JoJo (Should be canceled, but have to eat that sunk cost. Now it can't ruin ratings) 2:30 Attack on Titan (Bring it back since Season 2 will assuredly air on Toonami) 3:00 Ghost in the Shell You'd be fired from the Programming department in less than a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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