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Based on OP ratings, which we haven’t even got in the past few weeks because of BE, OP is barely clearing 100k. That means DBZ is surely in the 5 digit realm. Could that be more than Rewind? If so, that would explain Rewind phasing out. But I have a very hard time believing Kai on Rewind is under 5 digits. Doing the best out of the 3 is a good praise in a vacuum, but how well is that actually? Is it worth the expense for the license? I highly doubt it. They rely on it out of necessity, because the other two don’t pull their weight nearly as well. Naruto does not need a long running replacement on Saturday when we don’t even know how much longer they can keep things going. They should be laser focused on shows they can actually complete. As far as Kai goes, we don’t know they have 98 episodes. Seeing how they are adjusting the Rewind run to go backwards slightly, it does not seem that they have that many episodes. There is no such thing as a “proven track record” when it comes to Toonami. Once a show becomes a rerun, its draw potential plummets. It doesn’t matter how long ago it aired, it’s done. We are seeing this right now with Blue Exorcist. 10 years since the last run? Doesn’t matter, people are still bailing after Mashle ends and not coming back for OP. If you want to rewatch a show, especially a long run, you stick with the highlight reels and leave the rest behind. There are two potential viewers from Rewind 1. Rewind exclusive viewers who won’t even consider the show after it moves from 5pm to 2:30a on a different day. 2. Rewind/Saturday viewers who will stick around regardless of what airs, but will be more motivated on Saturday’s with premiers. It’s an absolute waste of money to buy even more rerun licenses for 2:30. One Piece can be the new 2 or 2:30 forever show and the other 4-5 slots should be premier content. The only reruns the block should have are tail end owned shows or seasons they still have some run time on.
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This is about the time of the year where talks about next years budget allotment comes in. It would not surprise me at all if there has been a meeting to discuss what the money spent on Rewind (and taken away from Saturday) has achieved. Aside from being a novelty people talked about for a few weeks, it’s otherwise been a whole lot of nothing. Big expensive, basically zero return. You could even argue a negative return because of what Saturday had to sacrifice for it. I could see the final consensus being burn off what’s left of Rewind, and refocus on getting Saturday back on track. If people didn’t watch these shows in the often begged for after school time slot just like the good ol days, they ain’t gonna watch them at 2am either. No more money should be going out on reruns until the block is back to 5 premiers. We started 2024 with 5 premiers, and are ending it on a pitiful 3. Cancel that expensive Kai contract and get something new. As for Daima, it may not be announced now, but now it’s got 5+ weeks to get announced for somewhere that isn’t Toonami. DB fans will get increasingly irritable at the lack of news, and I can’t imagine it goes all the way to 2025 without a release. I’m keeping my money on MHA for January. As you said, and I have also mentioned in the past, with how far behind it is, there is little harm sweating one more month of wait. Better to have a clean transition in January then cram it on now just to put it on break in a few weeks.
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Your hopes are ignored, Kai confirmed for another 2 hour stretch on 12/13. I think it’s safe to say it’s a month of Rewind Kai. That said, the episode for 12/6 have changed. What was 4 premier episodes is now 4 reruns. Meanwhile, 12/13 is showing 4 premiers still. So either 12/6 changed in error (unlikely) or 12/13 will also be revised to 4 reruns. They may as well leave Rewind in 2024 cause it ain’t gonna survive a month of reruns
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Well, no real surprises here. I knew they wouldn’t leave IFG hanging, and the double Kai makes sense given it’s significant pace increase on Rewind and their strange refusal to remove it from Saturday or just return the block to 6 slots. Knowing their mannerisms I knew nothing new would start this late in the year. Logically, MHA S7 drops as our new lead show the first week of January. Who knows what the future for Daima is, hopefully not Toonami.
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Invincible Fight Girl premieres on Toonami on November 2nd
Toonamiguy321 replied to Sketch's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Ok but we are kinda at the halfway point of the show. If it’s gonna do that, it doesn’t have much time to. I’ll admit, so far its ratings have been decent so it might actually earn an S2 if those hold, but when you get 10 episodes you need to work around 10 episodes. This is one of the big complaints I see that I actually don’t share. It’s one of the few cartoon elements the show is embracing, rather than sticking to “realistic” anime style designs. I don’t care that the 8 year old is jacked like he was fed pure protein at birth, it’s supposed to be a cartoon. My one design complaint is there seems to be some inconsistency with Andy. Early promo art made her look like a grade schooler, where in the show I guess she is an adult? I’m still not 100% sure. She had a job so I assume yes, but the show hasn’t really been clear on the matter. It makes it hard to decide if this show is a kid living their dream or an adult breaking free of the drudgery of adulthood. -
Invincible Fight Girl premieres on Toonami on November 2nd
Toonamiguy321 replied to Sketch's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Given people’s very limited bubble of information when it comes to anime, I just think it would be funny to trick the uninformed into watching the show. Remember how absolutely unhinged people got over a little off screen goblin action in Goblin Slayer? A lot of anime fans have never left the safety bubble of entry level slop. I don’t mind the tropes, when they are in their original homes or borrowed in a creative way. This show is supposed to be about wrestling, yet it’s 95% DBZ fights that end with a wrestling finisher. Creator obviously wanted to churn out another western anime clone but that wouldn’t fly at the pitch meeting so he tacked on the wrestling aspect. It’s like how the Aqua Teens were detectives to get the pitch approved. -
Invincible Fight Girl premieres on Toonami on November 2nd
Toonamiguy321 replied to Sketch's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Oh ho ho yes, now this is where the entertainment happens. Western creator is immediately busted for their copy and paste work from anime (because it’s always the same anime they copy from so people can immediately sniff out the scenes) and immediately goes to social media to damage control. And of course, they never get it. The issue isn’t liking anime, it’s that YOUR show, distinctly not anime, is just a compilation of iconic anime scenes and tropes and has no identity of its own. They aren’t roasting anime, they are roasting the staff. -
I will caution that there is something wrong with Spoiler TV in recent weeks. The ratings they show is ONLY the 18-49 share, not the full numbers. OP didn’t chart so it may still be that low, but it also could be 70-80k 18-49 with enough in other demos to break 100k total. That said, the BE rerun was obviously a moronic choice. OP pretty consistently made the chart, close to the bottom, but making it. Now it has a rerun in front of it which is pushing it just low enough to miss the chart. Hopefully the Friday schedule update comes with some kind of shuffle that moves BE down with the other reruns where it belongs.
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sailor moon Sailor Moon on Toonami Rewind Discussion
Toonamiguy321 replied to OwlChemist81's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
They might just be stalling till next year for the budget reset to get the next season. A costly way to stall though since it’s gonna eat up a lot of Kai. Or maybe they just decided the Rewind experiment is was not worth continuing on and they are exhausting what’s left of the licenses they bought before winding it down. -
Mashle: Magic and Muscles Episode 2 Discussion
Toonamiguy321 replied to DangerMouse's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
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So it ended up being kinda low key, but the Daima theater premier came and went without any type of news regarding the home for the rest of the dub. We need a schedule update by next Friday so we will see if they managed anything. We also may be getting a Rewind update unless SM is just gonna slide ride into S2. Perhaps my Daima premier on Rewind theory will come to fruition.
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The most recent season of Demon Slayer should be here too. It’s only 8 episodes so it won’t be hard to fit in. Also, if we can swing MHA, we should still be able to swing Fire Force too. Demarco barely knows anything about current anime, I highly doubt he is up to date on current VA drama. But on that topic, Crunchyroll doesn’t give us shit anyway so what’s the worry? Come on, that’s not a fair prediction to make. That’s like saying the sun will rise tomorrow. According to the most recent panel, the show is basically already done. Finish up the voice work, cross some T’s and it should be ready to roll so February sounds right. That will carry it to mid May just like Kamui did this year. Uzumaki should be a lesson that more time does not result in a better end product.
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Mashle: Magic and Muscles Episode 1 Discussion
Toonamiguy321 replied to DangerMouse's topic in Episode Discussion Archive
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True, but the problem we have with Spoiler TV is their chart is for the entire week. So Toonami numbers have to compete with multiple slots on Fox clocking in 10mil+ viewers. The election won’t be any actual competition for Toonami, just competition for getting reported numbers. But, so long as SotB sticks with it, that’s not a problem. At least for IFG, he didn’t report One Piece this week for some reason.
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I really don’t think this thing has another season in it, or even had hope for one in the first place. Seeing the staff talk about it just reeks of them knowing this is a contractual burnoff and nothing more. Max numbers are not likely to improve after the first week. The only saving grace I could see is if this show can rival MAWS in linear viewership and hit a 250k or so at least one time. Not impossible, but considering I haven’t seen much enthusiasm for the show after people got a 2 episode taster, I don’t think it’s going to impress, especially as we approach the holidays. In order to smoosh the whole show into 2024, it’s gonna need at least two more double ups, or they do a 3 episode blowout for the finale. Which lands in some of the least ideal TV time.
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This about sums it up for me. It’s maybe 5% original ideas, the rest are just overused anime tropes and Member Berries shit. Once I saw the Bebop crew and heard a legally distinct You Say Run I knew for sure this wasn’t going to offer anything at all worth watching. This is where western animation tends to fumble. Too much reliance on a millennial audience pointing and clapping at references to millennialcore anime. MAWS is guilty of it too, but to a lesser extent since it had its extensive Superman repertoire of content to pull from. I don’t know if this will be the gimmick, but it’s not even wrestling. It’s DBZ fights where the MC eventually pulls out an actual wrestling move for the W. Can’t imagine many wrestling fans are gonna get roped in.
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Invincible Fight Girl premieres on Toonami on November 2nd
Toonamiguy321 replied to Sketch's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
“So Toonamiguy, your TV Y7 children’s show is about to air very early in the day on Nickelodeon, right after SpongeBob. What were your inspirations when making this show?” Well you see, I love anime, always have for a long time. My main inspiration for this show for children was one of my all time anime favorites, Redo of Healer. “Oh, I have never heard of that one before, usually people I interview say something like DBZ or Sailor Moon! I’ll have to check that one out myself to see what it’s all about! I’d also encourage my millions of viewers to check it out as well!” -
Invincible Fight Girl premieres on Toonami on November 2nd
Toonamiguy321 replied to Sketch's topic in Toonami & [adult swim]
Yea but that’s never the case for these people. The only anime they know is DBZ, Sailor Moon, Naruto and whatever the current FotM Jump series is. Whatever they watched on Toonami as a kid and whatever is reaching them through heavy cultural osmosis. And that’s why their final products always suck because they just rip from those 3 shows every single time. I guess I shouldn’t be too surprised, anyone with an actual decent lineup of anime inspiration would never try to make fake western anime in the first place. -
Smarter money would have been waiting another month to see if anything with Daima or MHA materializes in November. Clarify what exactly “half rerun” means. I’m seeing that on One Piece which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense since these are premier episodes.
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So Zaslav, who was not in power during two of the four delays, is somehow fully to blame? That math ain’t mathin’
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Interesting chart, I’m not surprised Rick’s popularity dominated in the US, nor am I surprised it’s interest cratered going into September. While I have seen Alya in seasonal lineups, I haven’t heard much more from it than that, so seeing it as such a big deal is surprising. On the flip side, despite generating instant memes, Nokotan does not seem held much western interest besides keeping its OP playing rent free in heads across the nation. Makeine is something I expected to be western audience repellent, so I’m very surprised to see that able to land itself a distinct home edging over into the blue territory. And as we come to expect every season, among the isekai or psuedo isekai the season drops out, a couple of them manage to claw their way to moderate relevance, but more in Japan than the US. Will Isekai stock ever drop?
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I was thinking of this too. All the oldies are either gone or ascended well above AS. The Adult Swim he left is not the Adult Swim that exists now. Would not be surprised if when told Andy Merril would be doing a project for them, multiple people on the staff said “who?” I do agree, trying to pivot outrage to AS is a bad move. There is only so much AS can do for him. That’s how it goes when you are fresh meat with no clout. Do the job or get replaced. Even moreso 20 years ago. The voice game is a competitive market though, there is no shortage of people praying you call out sick so they can take your spot and get their shot at the big time. It’s funny to think that there is an upcoming generation of little girls who will remember his voice as Scratch the ghost rather than Shake the master. See, that’s the kind of stuff I’d think he could easily leverage for work elsewhere. The fact that he can’t leads me to believe his hand in it wasn’t that significant. One of those guys who was in the room at the time, but not really helping in any meaningful way. Like I said, I wish better for him, but given what we see, it kinda looks like there are some Andy problems rather than industry problems that are keeping him out of the business. At the end of the day, it’s not the money a project makes, it’s who you know and how you leverage it. Rockstar wanted the real gangster sound, so they went to Compton instead of Hollywood. West and Dimaggio signed onto a project with one of the most elite names in the animation industry and I’m sure that comes with its fair share of perks. As for as leverage goes, we saw it just a few years ago with DiMaggio. Oh, you want to make another half cooked season of Futurama? Put some more zeroes on ALL of our checks or we aren’t doing it. You know no one will watch that garbage if I’m not Bender, so hop to it. And they got exactly what they wanted because he was right. Gotta always be building your brand.