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You know, that’s not a bad guess. Episode 1 drops on 1/9, so that lets the dub get 2-3 episodes ahead which I believe is about where last season started. It’s also not really a lead material show, which would line up with them trusting Mashle there for a few weeks instead. Dr Stone also seems to have some outside influence that trumps Crunchyroll’s vice grip on everything since last season premiered with very little dub delay. And with 3 separate cours for this season, it will reliably come back two more times this year. If that does end up being the case, we won’t be getting a schedule update tomorrow. Maybe not even the following Friday.

I just don’t see them letting an original suffer the typical holiday marathon delay. As we saw with IFG, they smashed the last 2 episodes into a standard marathon night just so the show would conclude in 2024. So if it does come in 2025, expect it to finish in 2025 as well. Well, they have to announce something because R&M ends the week prior. Be it a new premier with IFG moving, a new rerun, or just cutting the slot, they gotta give us some kind of info. The typical build up time for any AS show is at minimum, 1 month. Common Side Effects is getting over 6 weeks. So if Lazarus is getting the bare minimum, and we assume it’s replacing Mashle, it should be announced by the 15th or so. And then promos for it will run accordingly up till its premier.

Looking at these, is Get Jiro really only just 3 episodes? I know what it’s adapting isn’t that long but that seems like it still really cramming things. And in a contrasting question, is Rooster Fighter really 13? Cause that one sounds like an idea that exhausts its novelty very quickly. Anyway, among acquired shows, I think the safest bet for 2025 will be more Mashle. If I had more faith in their competence, Blue Exorcist would be too, but it’s not unlike Toonami to do something that looks like it’s leading to a new show, only for them to reveal that was never the plan and they just wanted to waste everyones time. A notable omission I think you made was Demon Slayer Hashira Training. It’s only 8 episodes so it will make for a good brief time filler, and if we could get Swordsmith in 2024, I think Hashira should be doable in 2025. Dandadan is probably gonna end up being too hot for them to land. It’s similar to Zom where everyone has it, but this time it’s one of the top shows of 2024, so it’s likely outside their budget to pull off. I have to wonder for MAWS, will we even get it? The first two seasons were obligated to air on cable. Now that it got a big boy renewal, is anything stopping it from become a Max exclusive? Whatever the case, it’s about to be a new year, so any announcement embargos will lift by morning. And we just so happen to need a schedule update by this Friday. Let’s hope it’s something.

Eh, until we see Naruto exceed significantly beyond May, or go beyond episode 52, it’s time on the block should be considered finite. DBZ as well, but DBZ will probably go up to episode 98 so that isn’t a 2025 problem. Plus, we can still make his schedule work. 12 - Lazarus 12:30 - One Piece 1 - Blue Exorcist 1:30 - DBZ Kai 2 - Naruto 2:30 - Family Guy The fat man can patiently wait a few months for Naruto to expire and take 2. Not that I think any of this will happen, just saying, it’s possible.

It’s not new that the holiday months for Toonami are pretty advertising light. It does seem to be a little concerning that the only ads the block gets are for boner pills and AIDS medication. The adspace has to be borderline free if those pills are only 87 cents each. But like, is there really no one else at all who wants this ad time? There isn’t a single product out there that’s a little bit more in line with the demo? Because I can’t imagine many Toonami viewers have AIDS or a broken penis. Maybe Family Guy can revitalize the advertiser desirability later in the night. Even just a little bit would help. It wouldn’t surprise me if an internal issue the higher ups have with Toonami is its inability to sell adspace. Though, that’s a vicious cycle problem, as viewership drops as the blocks quality does, which discourages advertisers, which leads to less shows, and around we go again.

This is another one of their dirty little tricks. I agree, we probably aren’t going back to 5 premiers, even though that’s where we were at this time last year. We probably won’t even go back to 4 IMO. So how do they normalize this and make the audience accept this as the new normal? They make the block REALLY suck for a month or two, then “fix” it, and the idiot fanbase praises them for it. Right now, we have 2 premiers. By February, I expect us to be back up to 3. The fanbase and their collective handful of braincells will celebrate at how “Toonami is back” and we just had to be patient a little longer. They will be completely blind to the reality that the block is still running minus 2 on premiers. They only see a minor improvement and start popping the champagne. Two premiers will become the new bare minimum and three premiers will be the above average we shouldn’t expect year round. Yea, I don’t get it. I’m willing to humor the possibility that there is some kind of issue with Sentai preventing their shows from airing, but at the same time we hear things like that straight from Demarco which confirm he isn’t even looking at their catalog at all. We are long past the point where his own personal taste should be a factor. If it has action, it’s dubbed and it’s not ancient, it can at least pad out the schedule. Chained Soldier is something that wouldn’t air regardless because it’s got big ol anime tiddies bouncing around on full display, and they tend to not want to do censorship unless they are brief shots that don’t take don’t take much away from the show. CS would need way too much. That being said, Sentai has PLENTY of other options that would be fine picks for the block. Of all varieties as well. From just straight action titles, to action titles with big anime tiddies bouncing around, but appropriately covered for sensitive cable advertisers. Understandably, Friday Plans doesn’t want smoking hot anime tiddies airing because then you won’t have to order 100 milligrams, thank you very much.

I doubt it. These are 10+ year old episodes. They are probably surprised anyone is willing to pay for them at all. Plus, Toonami renews it’s One Piece batches at the start of the year, so it being on the schedule for Jan 11th means we are good for another 50 episodes. It really wouldn’t be that bad. If one goes, they simply return the block to 6 slots. No real loss there, and given the abysmal state of the schedule, most would praise the change rather than panic. If both go, they have enough originals now to fill the time. Plus, they usually squeeze another run out of a few acquired shows, so filling that time wouldn’t be too hard. Really, letting them both expire would bring more good than harm, as that’s two premium bills they wouldn’t have anymore. Money that would hopefully be redirected to some premiers. Crunchyroll has already mostly shut the block out. Our one foot in the door was sequels, but even that seems to be faltering. The Sentai situation is weird. You are right, most of the originals are using the Sentai cast. Yet, they won’t tap Sentai for any of their shows. The last one was Made in Abyss S2, which was 2 years ago. Be it because they can’t, or Demarco is just stubborn, I question how reliable Sentai could be. And while we do seem to be able to get things from Viz, they just don’t have that much to choose from. I think a page back I listed everything viable from their catalog, and it’s not much. Year isn’t even started yet and we are already able to write off an entire month of it. Not a promising start.

They actually can’t when you do an actual breakdown of those 3.5 hours. Not even close really. 12 - will spend most of the year occupied by an original. 12:30 - flexible slot #1 1 - flexible slot #2 1:30 - permanently occupied 2 - permanently occupied (rerun) 2:30 - permanently occupied (rerun) 3 - rotating rerun, more often that not an original So we are looking at a best case scenario, 2 slots to work with. A pickup like MHA S7 would occupy one of those slots for at least 6 months. Toonami airs normally about 45-47 weeks out of the year. Given the current state of things, I’d expect more delays than normal this year. The only way to break this gridlock would be letting either Naruto or Kai expire. But in that scenario, they don’t see value in paying for reruns, so if they do that it’s either to squeeze in another premier (unlikely) or cost cut by trimming up the schedule. The elephant in the room is still the Crunchyroll situation. MHA or Daima should have been on the 11th schedule. So either CR has slammed the door shut for good, which eliminates most of your show expectations, or we have to wait significantly longer than before. Which would probably eliminate Dr Stone and Fire Force for 2025.

There is a good chance that the actual contract deal happened 1-2 months prior to Rewind starting. I doubt they got the deal done in May for something that needed to air in May. Imagine if they don’t actually know when they will lose the rights and it ends up expiring right as the Zabuza arc is supposed to start. We have the potential for something funnier than Pickle Rick to happen here. By my count, without any delays or having it double up, it catches up to its skip point early April. So there are two scenarios that could happen, it expires before Zabuza even starts completely wasting everyone’s time, or it expires early in the arc, after giving people hope it would air and skipping the best parts. Both hilarious in their own ways.

On todays episode of the dumbest shit I have ever seen, Naruto is restarting from episode 1 on January 11th. Months of dull ass setup episodes before even having the chance at them airing Zabuza, which hey, they will probably skip again when this move gutters viewership.

Ah, it’s an episode where PokeNirvash makes a snarky quip but doesn’t actually retort the factual information of the post. Instead, he feels that somehow the quip magically invalidates factual information. I’m not too fond of this rerun, it airs a LOT.

It’s gonna be a Crunchyroll dub so it’s gonna be off limits forever. It’s starting to look questionable on us even getting S7. Plus, even before CR troubles, the block was never in a hurry to get spin offs.

Ah but we do know how well it did. Never well enough to chart, and not well enough to keep Rewind from being cancelled. Not the most accurate metric but we have to work with what we have, and that’s not a glowing review for the show. 100% I do. Because it’s historically proven that the Toonami audience will turn out for NEW content, while rerun content is ignored by all but the diehard full block watchers. Accel World is probably the best pick of the litter between being an action show and ever so lightly tied to the SAO universe. Bonus points for its goofy dub. You know how often people cite the very unfunny Ghost Stories dub as a dub worth remembering? That mindset alone would get people to sit through Accel World. With a quick catalog skim I’m seeing Coppellion, Blood Lad, K, and Terra Formers as Toonami appropriate picks. Tiger and Bunny too, but that’s not an option. Admittedly, not a long list of content. If we do each one of these one at a time, in 1.5 years or so, the Viz well is dry. And that’s when I would concede it’s time to consider Sailor Moon. But hey, that’s 1.5 years of fresh content which is better than 0 years. Toonami can’t subsist on being a rerun dumpster like it currently is. Family Guy can augment a good lineups ratings, but it won’t make people stick around for hours of reruns. We are going to see a lot of people watching Mashle and bailing because the only other premier is an hour later and just starting the worst part of one of its worst arcs. If you skip OP for 3-4 months and come back, the Doffy fight will not have progressed. Their number one priority right now should be securing 2-3 more premiers and getting the block back to 4-5 straight premiers. Once that is done, maybe discuss parking Sailor Moon behind One Piece, IF it’s borderline free. We don’t want to come up short late 2025 budget wise because of it.

Yet sat on the news till 1/1, which meant AssClass S2 had less than 1 week of promotion before going on air? Unlikely. Better theory is they hammered out the deal before the holidays, but the check didn’t clear to make it official until midnight on 1/1, which was when they could drop the announcement. Each distributor is different. Demon Slayer and Lycoris could have been 2023 budget, but neither was made official until 2024. The way it seems to me is Aniplex is just excited to share news and blabbed early but it doesn’t matter because they are the distributor. After that, AS seems to have reined them in since BE and Mashle didn’t leak months beforehand. Im sure they were eyeing Daima too, but they had to know landing it was a longshot. You don’t need to work in TV to know the most popular anime franchise ever will have a lot of competition for its final installment prior to the creators death. There should have been a back up plan in the very real event they could not secure the show. On that note, we really need to be asking where MHA is, because it’s out of plausible excuses for why it’s not airing yet. Did CR close up the last loopholes Toonami was using to get sequels? Because if so, that could be a problem with Dr Stone and Fire Force later in 2025. Yes yes, the same technicalities people use when a show gets remastered in HD. It’s the same damn show. And if you have been perusing posts about why Rewind flopped, one of the most repeated criticisms for the block is that very new dub rather than the DiC one everyone remembers. Now don’t get me wrong, the DiC dub licks ass and I’m not defending or advocating for it. But that nostalgia base? That’s what they wanted. So I wouldn’t say the new dub is a good selling point for why it should continue airing. You are right, Sentai hasn’t been on the block since Made in Abyss. I stand by the reason for that is Demarco being an idiot, but for the sake of the argument, let’s say they are off the table for a valid reason. We know Aniplex is being very cooperative, and if we can get SM, we can get whatever from Viz. There are plenty of options in both of those catalogs to choose from that are brand new to Toonami and should have full priority over any rerun, especially in the blocks current state. Now I know what you will follow up with, Sailor Moon is “proven”. Proven at what? Getting Rewind cancelled? Meanwhile, the previously untested Aniplex title of Mashle, is doing more than acceptable for its 12:30 timeslot from the weeks we have seen reported. So that’s another point to the “if it’s new people will watch” camp. Even back in those days when Toonami was in a much better place financially and standing wise among anime distributors, Demarco was skeptical if they could actually get Super. Even with the dumb 8pm premier it had to do for awhile, they walked away with a pretty healthy deal. Wouldn’t surprise me if WBD said get that deal again or don’t get it. Id think at the very least, Toei would want it on Netflix. They are already very cozy with them with all the One Piece projects.

What’s with the “when the budget resets” cope? This IS the budget reset schedule. For anyone in doubt, revisit the AssClass S2 promo. I’ll save you some clicks, air date - 1/1/22. Budget resets January 1, and it looks like Toonami is going into 2025 with a significantly reduced one. I have to agree with Brian, if there was a near future plan, Mashle would not have been elevated to midnight. They are likely parking that there for 6 weeks till it ends S1. I’d also argue as it’s a new year and One Piece is reset, they could have burned 1-2 weeks on double OP for an easily flexible slot + silent statement something new is around the corner. The singular piece of flexibility they have given themselves is 12:30 IFG, which if they do utilize, will have the bad optics of being demoted from 12:30 to 3. I’m sure this isn’t what you want to hear, as you seem dead set on Sailor Moon continuing, but maybe it’s just not and there never was a plan to do so? Naruto is there, but Naruto has unaired episodes still. If they start where Rewind left on, it will be a safe bet they won’t renew the show. They are sitting at a pitiful 2 show premier block, it’s weird to me seeing people advocate for one of the first years purchases to be an expensive rerun.

Ok, I know I’m usually a doomer but a lot of it is theatrics for laughs and I’m not usually that worried. Now I’m genuinely worried about the future here. I always thought Daima would be a longshot for them just because of its status, but I always felt MHA S7 was a sure thing once the budget reset. Instead we are getting a heaping helping of nothing. A garbo marathon to start the year of a show that should be left in 2024 doesn’t inspire much confidence. Mash up front, ok that’s good news, the singular show on this block worth watching is in the lead slot so at least I can go to bed at 12:30 IFG reruns at 12:30? Fucking why? Another thing that should be left in 2024, not clogging up the second slot. Those Naruto episodes better be picking up from where Rewind stopped and then not getting renewed when they run out. Imagine that shit starting back over from episode 1. Same feeling for Kai, exhaust the license then let it go. I assume the way they adjusted the Rewind schedule was not due to episode limits but rather due to wanting Rewind to end on Goku going super saiyan. Why the fuck is Rick still on the schedule when it’s doing a full series marathon on the 28th? A third thing that should stay in 2024. Two fucking premiers. Seven slots, two premiers. You thought three would be the record low but here we are, a few months later at two. Not a lot of hope for this schedule being temporary either. Best case scenario would be IFG moving to 3 when Rick ends and then something new going there. I’d assume Mashle in the lead is preparation for it to be replaced by Lazarus in February.

A 5pm Friday audience is not going to migrate to 2am or later, it’s just not gonna happen. The audience got the full S1 experience, they should be happy with that and move on. People got their chance with these shows and blew it, no sense having them tank Saturday too.

They don’t need to be on cable. They were already on cable in the past. Give something else a chance. There isn’t even a streaming wars for these shows. They are readily and freely available on a variety of services. And when you watch them that way, you don’t have to sit through over 100 shitty filler episodes of Naruto.

I had a shower theory I had to trash a few minute later when I realized the promo debunks it. As we know the BE rerun is tanking ratings for OP, on Jan 4 they blow through 7 “new” episodes. That gets us within the strike zone of the filler, which they can just not air at all, and start S2 sometime in January. Would be neat, but the promo tells us that won’t be happening. My absolute favorite ones are the ones who are 100% certain Rewind was doing amazing. Based on, absolutely nothing because we have never seen its ratings. And completely ignoring the schedule choices that indicate the block was NOT doing well.

They just dropped the official word, Rewind is cancelled. Enjoy laughing at those who were high on copium.

You included far too many. The original gag was all Fox shows that had been cancelled. Stuff like Made in Abyss just aired to completion, or Samurai Jack adapted the end of its story and had nothing more to make. And then I see things like Johnny Bravo in there that just didn’t air in the first place.

Good, that means you are one of the few people not overdosing on copium. Quite a few people on Twitter, Reddit, etc genuinely believe Rewind is fine and is just taking a night off entirely on the 3rd because ????? and will miraculously come back at 2 hours on the 10th.

Does it even matter? Within two weeks he will turn it back on. There is no way he can avoid making comments on a certain event happening on January 20th. How many times has he left social media now? I figure there are a few options. 1. It actually is an IFG marathon, but they only recently decided to do it so the late night AS shows have not been removed from the schedule yet. Remember, we are looking 3 full weeks ahead here. 2. The promos are not 100% accurate, as they often have been in the past. Blue Exorcist may not be off on Jan 4, with either MHA or DS airing their 1 hour premier. Certainly not an option to write off with how often promos have been straight up incorrect in recent years. 3. Daima does a 3 episode drop as those episodes have already technically premiered, and Toonami proceeds to operate one day off of Crunchyroll. 4. Standard length block where they marathon something else just to burn time. Not sure why they would want to start the year this way but it’s possible. 5. Some kind of event meant to send off Rewind. Honestly probably in their better interest to just hide its end as much as possible given how desperate many people are to believe it isn’t dead.

Most of the copium I have seen is that Jan 4 is too close to the new year for them to get any rights (even though we have seen them secure new year content almost immediately when the clock rolls over) and that the Family Guy marathon is somehow the cause. So if the schedule on Friday drops with no Rewind, that should put an end to the cope. No copium huffers ever have an answer for why they didn’t just air an hour of Kai for the delay.

It seems like the critics hate it, but the few people who actually did pay to see it enjoyed their time. At the end of the day, this is a VERY deep cut in the LotR lore, you have to be a die hard LotR fan to even know what this is adapting. This is something that probably shouldn’t have been a theater release. But I guess they had to theater release something to keep the IP or something, so this was more of a necessary bill than anything else.