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I'm not predicting much higher or in par with Unicorn. They literally waited until the last week to promote it and s many may not have known it was even airing.

I think it should run for a 3rd time at the top of the block, we really want to make sure everybody has seen it! ;D ;D

While a little better, they should still in no way be satisfied with this. I hope this doesn't give them incentive to keep Jack at 11.

I Notice that Jason no longer takes Toonami related questions on his ask.FM and his Twitter is mostly music/movie related. He seemed to get frustrated at fans panicking over falling ratings last year.

At least now we have some consistency Remember when ASA would trade their strategy every couple of months -All Anime -Hour of Comedy! Then Anime -Back to all anime - Anime-comedy-anime -Weekday premieres -5am premieres It was like whiplash. They constantly changed the schedule to the point where sometimes the guides would be wrong. Then we went into the period of no promotion where the logic was "Well no one watches, so why should we promote it?" Then the ratings for the anime would be mocked in the cards every week. It's really that culture which created our own rating obsession (at least fir those who follow it). Demarco tells us not to worry about ratings but we've seen how reactive they are to them when they get bad. Even the comedy block isn't immune. Every time they try and change up the standard lineup, it's not long before it reverts. So we know from past history they will do what they have to. They can fix things before it gets worse. It's just concerning because some overall network ratings crisis apparently caused the block to lose the back end in 2015. How low is the bar and why don't they seem to care?

What we're also seeing is a drop in viewers since Toonami isn't led into by extremely high rated Family Guy. When it was airing at 11:30 last year and in 2015, it was normal for it to hit 1.7-1.8 million viewers ensuring DBZ Kai would start the night at 1.4-1.5 million and it would go down from there. If Family Guy did 1.9-2 million we'd usually keep millions until at least 1:30 AM. Now we have a few changes: -Family Guy is airing in the 10 hour where it doesn't do as well -AS Viewership is down -General I'm compatibility between the Family Guy -Jack-DB audiences -Super being a rerun from 8pm and more of that audience watching it there There seemed to be more compatibility between the FG and DB audiences even when it led into Super I feel if Super actually premiered at 11:30 it would give Toonami a better start, but a bad deal was made. Jack was an anomaly that had its own audience that was uninterested in the anime that followed as well, so despite it getting mega ratings the rest of Toonami didn't thrive since the anime shows no longer had the benefit of being led into by the more compatible Family Guy. I think Toonami would actually benefit by moving back to midnight with Family Guy in the 11:00 hour. But if AS has originals that they want to run in the 11:00 hour or the Super deal forbids it, then this is what we're stuck with. The ratings are not going to ever be at prior levels again with the current setup unless you have a show at 11 that can hold or gain Family Guy as well as stick around for DB. FLCL will not be that show as it's a little out there.

I think Shippuden might be on its way out next after episode 175 (end of current arc and Viz's "season"). It's not a bad way to end the run for those who have seen it.

Yeah they've already gone and made a lineup promo for June so that's understandable. Do we really need a marathon on July 1st? It's far enough away from the 4th and doesn't give Lupin much time to establish an audience.

The Dragonball Super situation is a continuing problem as more and more discover the 8pm airing. The viewers were almost even last week! If it overtakes 11:30 who knows what they will do. If 8pm thrives then grow that and put the Super rerun at the end of the night if they can. I am crossing my fingers and hoping the Jack rerun is removed after this week. I almost hope the ratings are worse so the move can be made. If we lose 11:00 for now, fine. It's not being used effectively right now anyway. If the ratings continue to be bad and it stays, there is something we don't know about in play. I feel they will make whatever moves they need to do in order for the block to survive. I also feel that there is something lacking in the presentation of the block. Ever since we've been getting the topicals, we've been (understandably)getting less fun stuff that makes Toonami what it is. There hasn't been a lot of videos, speeches , and reviews or much new stuff from TOM and Sara.That along with the stagnant bumps makes the block feel like less of a special place to watch things.

I'm sure he's just as against this as we are. He just can't do anything about it. He can't be happy with these ratings. It's great that Toonami had a successful original, but it needs a rest.

I don't care personally about the rerun, just the terrible ratings that follow. Starting Toonami with a rerun has done damage before. It already has been worse since It started with the Super rerun at 11:30. Also, if you can't get enough Jack Season 5. Starting on Sunday July 2nd, AS will run go through another run at 8 and 8:30!

I wish they didn't seem so committed to this! They've made promos advertising the rerun, Facebook reminds us constantly to rewatch Season 5 at 11 on Saturday, they made a lineup promo with it, etc ... They need to see a trend of low viewership for Jack bombing the rest of the night. I hate to say this, but I wouldn't be upset if the ratings got worse so that they can make this move sooner rather than later. Failing that, we have another opportunity to switch it up after the July 1st marathon

That's the kind of thing Toonami needs.

Maybe then they'll accept the reality that DB does better with Adults and just let them run it later. It's all about the merchandise for them. If that doesn't sell, they may see that.

They sold out to TOEI, who doesn't care what it does to the rest of the night. Super could have brought bigger ratings if the 11:30 was the only airing, how much who knows? But giving people an excuse to watch it outside the block and not come back later for the rest was not a good idea. We may even start seeing 8 beat 11:30! Then I wonder what they would do?

And if they can't do that, I'd be OK if they just gave it back to Family Guy.

You're good. Just keeping myself in check

But how are they doing against the rest of cable (including reruns), we don't know anymore because they won't let us see!!

They need to go outside of the show request list as those opinions represent a small fanbase who actually takes the time to go to the Facebook/Tumbr to request their favorite shows that they won't watch on the block. At this point it's too late for Fairy Tail and MHA, both of whom have their first seasons dubbed on Hulu. You may get people watching the first few weeks, but when they find out they can go and watch the rest, they'll be gone.

I'm pretty unhinged with my opinions today (a lot going on in my real life having me on edge), so sorry if I've been over pessimistic.

He's pretty much stopped Toonami talk (especially ratings) on his twitter and ask.fm. He mostly sticks to music, movies, and social causes. He may have gotten sick of it or told by his superiors to stop.

I think Parasyte was supposed to be a big SDC announcement. I also think that Lupin was supposed to be the big Momocon announcement, but TMS beat them to the punch. Are they doing AX this year? If hey are, that's where they probably will announce the replacement for Aot. But lets be honest, they probably want to rerun that one at 12:30 based on current programing logic.

I never understood the logic behind this, don't you want people knowing about a show that's coming? Do they make deals that run down to the wire like that or is it more of a not telling people for the sake of control. It leaves little time for promotion.

We are in a bad place right now. They gave too much control to TOEI, the supposedly highly requested shows are not hitting like they thought they would, and they are running the hit show into the ground because they seem to think that's their best course of action. They don't have faith in Super to put it at 11 either. Super won't hit even a million if they leave Jack there all summer. But they have to be OK with that unless they are willing to make a change. They also need to work out a new deal with TOEI (hopefully they have that ability with each batch of episodes) or find some other place to put the Super rerun. But let them keep trying this all summer, we'll see what happens next time management sees a overall network ratings crisis.

Some people (like my brother) also kept up with the DB Super fansubs because he thought they did at better job and used proper terminology.