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Jason DeMarco produced “Lord of the Rings: The War of The Rohirrim” film bombs epically at the theater with only $4.6 million at the box office


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Saw the preview for this when I went to the movie theater the other day. I was thinking it was gonna be live-action honestly because all I saw was the title before. Not really disappointed at all though, cuz it still looks like it's gonna be really good. Seeing that Peter Jackson has been involved with it as an executive producer and that it's being directed by Kamiyama who did stuff like Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. also instills me with a lot of confidence it's gonna have a solid story and be well worth checking out.

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Just now, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Saw the preview for this when I went to the movie theater the other day. I was thinking it was gonna be live-action honestly because all I saw was the title before. Not really disappointed at all though, cuz it still looks like it's gonna be really good. Seeing that Peter Jackson has been involved with it as an executive producer and that it's being directed by Kamiyama who did stuff like Ghost in the Shell S.A.C. also instills me with a lot of confidence it's gonna have a solid story and be well worth checking out.

 

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10 hours ago, Jman said:

Executive Producer Jason DeMarco.

 

What an awful first example for people to see. The first 15 seconds of this “animation” is a blatant stillframe with the mouth animated and nothing else. That might be ok for some throwaway TV anime, but something you expect people to cough up for to see in theaters shouldn’t look like this. 

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On 11/29/2024 at 10:16 PM, Toonamiguy321 said:

What an awful first example for people to see. The first 15 seconds of this “animation” is a blatant stillframe with the mouth animated and nothing else. That might be ok for some throwaway TV anime, but something you expect people to cough up for to see in theaters shouldn’t look like this. 

It DOES get better after that though.

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That seemed like pretty significant moment and all I could think was "you couldn't have done something more dynamic with the posing or the camera position?"

The trailers have shown off some pretty nice stuff but that scene ain't it.

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1 hour ago, OwlChemist81 said:

It DOES get better after that though.

Oh no no no, we aren’t doing this again. Fool me once with Uzumaki, shame on you. Promos and teasers always wheel out the best shots to lure people in. If that is what they consider teaser worthy, I shudder to think of what kind of PowerPoint the rest of the film is. 

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4 hours ago, Top Gun said:

One of the best Tolkien YouTubers I follow saw an early screening and posted pretty glowingly about it. That makes me a lot more optimistic. 

I am hearing good things as well. So that’s something.

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Box office predictions are showing a bigger bomb than Joker 2.  Less than $10 million domestic.  For reference, the Demon Slayer recap film pulled down $11.4 million opening weekend.  Even a Solo Leveling recap film still pulled $2.4 million domestic over the weekend despite a relatively low amount of theaters (it bested the indie release Y2K to be #8 at the box office).

This film might be DeMarco’s last stand.  Honestly, I could see him being fired over it as the scapegoat.

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13 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

I mean, was anyone seriously expecting this to be a smash success? Demarco'll skate by like he has in the past, that I can seriously expect.

The initial estimates were for $10-$12 million.

It’s now tracking for $5-$6 million opposite a $30 million budget, a pittance by modern Hollywood’s bloated standards, but he may not make a third of that when you add in theater take and marketing.

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58 minutes ago, PokeNirvash said:

I mean, was anyone seriously expecting this to be a smash success? Demarco'll skate by like he has in the past, that I can seriously expect.

Smash success? Not really. But it needs to sync up with its internal predictions. If they were expecting 10-12 and it’s looking more like 5-6, that’s gonna be a problem. Maybe not enough of a problem to get him fired, but enough of one to take his keys to originals projects away. 

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A track record so important for the future of Toonami that it has to be renamed to notify that. Ouch.

And yet, I don't know what would happen if DeMarco got DeMoted. Or worse, fired. There's a myriad of ways this could go, not all of them good.

But with Invincible Fight Girl not even in Max's Top 10 for weeks, Dragon Ball Daima probably becoming a Crunchyroll exclusive, Creature Commandos needing a Tenchi-style edit in its first episode, and the general decline of entertainment, it makes even the smaller bits of good news feel better.

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Demarco will never get fired. WB has shown time and time again that they do not care what they're producing anymore quality-wise, as long as it can be something they can use in their ads to draw people to their streaming services. Even for all his screwups, firing and replacing Demarco would cost more money than letting him stay, same reason bad sports teams never fire incompetent coaches or general managers.

All we can do is pray that something happens that forces Demarco to stop being involved, like a health scare or a really, really big scandal.

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8 hours ago, Greener223224 said:

Demarco will never get fired. WB has shown time and time again that they do not care what they're producing anymore quality-wise, as long as it can be something they can use in their ads to draw people to their streaming services. Even for all his screwups, firing and replacing Demarco would cost more money than letting him stay, same reason bad sports teams never fire incompetent coaches or general managers.

All we can do is pray that something happens that forces Demarco to stop being involved, like a health scare or a really, really big scandal.

What the hell is that supposed to mean!? Without DeMarco there is no Toonami!

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2 hours ago, MasqueradeOverture said:

uhhhhh ask The Jets

Aaron Rodgers is turning the Jets into his cult of personality like Lebron did with the Cleveland Cavaliers, and he's having anyone who pisses him off ejected from the franchise. It's not a normal situation.
Meanwhile look at the Raiders rehiring Jon Gruden for a decade until he was forced out by homophobically insulting the NFL commissioner, Jeff Fisher's wrath of mediocrity on the Rams until his extension was leaked, or Ryan Pace's tenure on the Bears.

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33 minutes ago, OwlChemist81 said:

What the hell is that supposed to mean!? Without DeMarco there is no Toonami!

Do you really want this status quo of Toonami to continue? One where we only have 3 or 4 premiere slots, air shows that should belong on the Monday evening slots on Saturday midnights if not for Teen Titans Go devouring the channel, and watch as every single Toonami original is some kind of deeply flawed non-starter or backroom production collapse as rumors fly that TMS sued Demarco for money laundering?

I would much rather it end than keep being dragged along like this. We don't even need Toonami to get anime on CN - Death Note and Code Geass proved that long ago.

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People always use TTG as the example but besides that ridiculous marathon week for the 400th ep, they only air it a few times a day and not even in the most watchable slots. It’s been that way for two years I think. Regular Show airs more often and Gumball is usually the show filling the most slots. They are nonetheless a stagnant channel which refuses to take risks. MAWS and IFG should have aired on CN time but they were too chicken shit to do it and Michael O is content to let CN starve to fill AS’ pantry as much as he can.

I don’t think Toonami gets any better without DeMarco but it probably doesn’t get any worse either.

At any rate, I saw the movie on IMAX and it was fine. Left me with no strong feelings one way or the other. I saw it with my father who is in his 60s and he enjoyed himself and didn’t realize it was anime till the credits roll.

Prior to seeing it I thought I’d probably want to see it more than once in theaters but to be honest I have no strong desire to do so any time soon which is a true mark of a Jason DeMarco and Joseph Chou co-production.

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20 hours ago, OwlChemist81 said:

Down to 57% last I checked. Sad.

It’s in the hands of the real audience now rather than just paid shills. The fact paid shills could only hold it up to 67% should have been a red flag. 
 

20 hours ago, Greener223224 said:

Do you really want this status quo of Toonami to continue? One where we only have 3 or 4 premiere slots, air shows that should belong on the Monday evening slots on Saturday midnights if not for Teen Titans Go devouring the channel, and watch as every single Toonami original is some kind of deeply flawed non-starter or backroom production collapse as rumors fly that TMS sued Demarco for money laundering?

I would much rather it end than keep being dragged along like this. We don't even need Toonami to get anime on CN - Death Note and Code Geass proved that long ago.

As much as I’d love to see it, it’s too late to toss Demarco out and get someone new. If it gets to that point, AS would sooner just cut their losses and can the whole block. But I agree, if the new norm is just 3 premiers (where one of them is eternally One Piece so really only 2), maybe it’s time for TOM to sign off. That said, if Toonami does end, that’s the end of the road for anime on AS. Yea, it doesn’t NEED Toonami to air, but the reason Toonami sucks is they can’t consistently get anime, or I guess in Demarco’s case, won’t settle for B shows. So there isn’t even a point in getting any without Toonami. 

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https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/kraven-the-hunter-box-office-bombing-1236087005/
 

$5 million domestic, $4 million international.   Proportionally it’s not as big a bomb as Joker 2: Society Harder, but it’s still a terrible performance for a Warner that peaked performance wise with Dune 2.

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Bad call releasing this in December shortly after Moana 2 and only a week before Sonic 3.

They're also flatly admitting they fast-tracked this movie to keep the IP rights at WB/D so ultimately it served its purpose while simultaneously hurting the prospects of any other animated drama being made at a major studio.

With a 30 million budget and probably like 10 million in advertising, they can possibly break even with digital sales and home media, especially if it can stay in theaters a few more weeks and get at least a couple million each week but smart money says they never expected this to make money, just hopefully not lose a bunch.

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2 hours ago, Jman said:


Final total was under $5 million and DeMarco should never be allowed to produce original anime again.

BELOW 5 million?! That's worse than I thought.

But technically, this isn't an original project. It uses an existing IP as a means to an end, making it a franchise entry. Yes, I know that anime are typically adaptations of manga at the start, but I digress.

The point is, it would be easier to assume he's barred from adapting other WB works into anime, which means upcoming DC Comics cartoons have another hill to climb.

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4 hours ago, Jman said:


Final total was under $5 million and DeMarco should never be allowed to produce original anime again.

Let’s be real even if critics love this movie it’s still wasn’t gonna do well in theaters.

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3 hours ago, Sketch said:

Let’s be real even if critics love this movie it’s still wasn’t gonna do well in theaters.

It seems like the critics hate it, but the few people who actually did pay to see it enjoyed their time. At the end of the day, this is a VERY deep cut in the LotR lore, you have to be a die hard LotR fan to even know what this is adapting. 
 

This is something that probably shouldn’t have been a theater release. But I guess they had to theater release something to keep the IP or something, so this was more of a necessary bill than anything else. 

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Ultimately this project accomplished what WB/D needed it to, extend their IP rights. Any money it makes on top of that is gravy but they certainly don't want it to lose money which it could if these numbers drop much more.

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Got a chance to see it, and I thought it was great. If anything surprised me it's how well-grounded the story was. After giving it some thought, I believe I see why it's not doing so hot money-wise though. It's an animated movie sure, but it's not exactly family friendly being that it's, as the title says, about a war and naturally has a lot of violence in it. Given this is the time of year people are looking for family friendly flicks and as has been mentioned there's a couple of those available for people to take the kids to go see right now, not helpful. That still leaves it a natural, though somewhat more niche audience, but then on top of that it's got a basically unknown female lead character which I think unfortunately is a disincentive to a good chunk of the established fandom to give it a chance.

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On 12/17/2024 at 7:10 PM, Dark_Cloud_Overhead said:

Got a chance to see it, and I thought it was great. If anything surprised me it's how well-grounded the story was. After giving it some thought, I believe I see why it's not doing so hot money-wise though. It's an animated movie sure, but it's not exactly family friendly being that it's, as the title says, about a war and naturally has a lot of violence in it. Given this is the time of year people are looking for family friendly flicks and as has been mentioned there's a couple of those available for people to take the kids to go see right now, not helpful. That still leaves it a natural, though somewhat more niche audience, but then on top of that it's got a basically unknown female lead character which I think unfortunately is a disincentive to a good chunk of the established fandom to give it a chance.

Same here, I thought it was great.

I think you're right about it not being a family flick and since there are a couple of big ones premiering at the same time too.

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