2024 Presidential Elections: the schadenfreude commences

[1pooh4u]

3 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

They want to think they're different from Republicans, but assume Dem voters are loyal to a fault just because GOP is.

You’d think they’d know better by now considering when “our side” breaks the law or does gross shit we actually want them tf out of office. I say that to say we definitely aren’t loyal to a fault and idt we ever were.  How Dems cannot see that is mind blowing 

[Master-Debater131]

 

Some Democrats are starting to get it. This insistent focus on identity politics and political correctness means that Democrats do not talk like normal people. The GOP has taken the mantle of the working class and normal person because of how far Left Democrats ran with this.

Thankfully people like her are being ignored and attacked. Good sign for the Democrats never bothering to learn from this.

Its painfully clear that the last few elections have been sending signs to Democrats that their constant demand of ideological purity and political correctness was costing them voters. Biden stemmed that trend thanks in large part to his whole "Scranton Joe" thing. But then Democrats abandoned all the lessons Biden thought them to go right back to their losing ways.

[_lost_username_]

18 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

There's a lucrative industry in stoking the rage.

The Democrats need to find a way to make life easier for people so they aren't as susceptible.

Like gasp social welfare and progressive policies to add more healthcare and housing options for people wowee

I don’t think it’s too terribly different than the Republican domination of the media in the early 00s. The media was different but the right wing still dominated alternative media like the Internet forums and blogs, radio and cable news. Back then it was terrorism, illegal immigration, racism and homophobia … so not much different. Republicans dominated the house and senate by degrees that make today’s split seem insignificant. Eventually, though, people started to actually feel the impacts of Republican’s shitty policies. When people felt it, that’s when things changed. No amount of Fox News and Limbaugh could’ve changed that.

Really, the big difference now is that Democrats don’t take the fight to those spaces. Aside from Mayor Pete and Newsom, you don’t see Democrat office holders on Fox News, the manosphere or other places. Democrats have had the media disadvantage from the start of the 21st century. The big difference is now that they seem to believe that they can create their own alternative space and people will come … but they don’t. They’ve got to get back into going into enemy territory.

[_lost_username_]

8 minutes ago, PenguinBoss said:

They want to think they're different from Republicans, but assume Dem voters are loyal to a fault just because GOP is.

Whatever Republicans they were going to get, they got in 2020. 

[matrixman124]

6 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

 

Some Democrats are starting to get it. This insistent focus on identity politics and political correctness means that Democrats do not talk like normal people. The GOP has taken the mantle of the working class and normal person because of how far Left Democrats ran with this.

Thankfully people like her are being ignored and attacked. Good sign for the Democrats never bothering to learn from this.

Its painfully clear that the last few elections have been sending signs to Democrats that their constant demand of ideological purity and political correctness was costing them voters. Biden stemmed that trend thanks in large part to his whole "Scranton Joe" thing. But then Democrats abandoned all the lessons Biden thought them to go right back to their losing ways.

The Democrats didn't even go left

They were actively courting Republicans

The answer is STOP COURTING REPUBLICANS

[Master-Debater131]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

The Democrats didn't even go left

They were actively courting Republicans

The answer is STOP COURTING REPUBLICANS

Yes, because Republicans put things like pronouns in their bios, say its OK for men to compete against women, refer to Latinos as LatinX, and a whole slew of other things.

This meme could not be more true if it tried

[naraku360]

33 minutes ago, Jman said:

Or at the very least, generate rage over things that matter.

”While Republicans got you mad about gays in Star Wars, they reduced your access to healthcare.  While Republicans made you worry about content in video games, they caused prices of appliances to quadruple.  And while Republicans made you upset about comic book characters being replaced, grocery prices tripled with far less oversight, making you sicker.  So what are you going to do about it?”

At the same time, it might be advantageous to allow more boobs in games, more positive male action heroes, etc.  Worked for Bill.

They'll complain about censorship whether or not there actually is any.

Baten Kaitos got flack for "censoring" the remaster by removing the dub because it was "too offensive," when the only examples they came up with were adding "...Yikes." to the end of one line with no voicepver to beginwith, and a card being changed from alcohol to juice.... but you meet one of the main character's in a tavern with frequent alcohol references in tact and I had several cards that were alcohol, such as red wine or meade. Alocohol is listed in the ESRB, ffs.

[naraku360]

9 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

pronouns in their bios

 

Edited November 8 by naraku360

[Master-Debater131]

Havent seen this one posted yet in here either, but we have another Senate race completed.

Republican McCormick beat the incumbent Democrat Casey in Pennsylvania.

That gives the GOP a 53-47 advantage with 2 races to go. Arizona and Nevada have not been called yet.

 

Even with those 2 states still being decided, the GOP have a clear majority in the Senate now. The important thing for them is that it makes it easier to appoint Judges, and Justices, with this kind of majority. They wont need to appease Collins or Murcowski and can instead just push anyone through.

It also increases the odds that they hold the Senate in 2026. The map for the GOP isnt great, but it does provide pickup chances in states like Georgia. 2026 doesnt look like a year with big Senate changes as most seats are pretty safe bets based on who currently holds the seat.

[1pooh4u]

10 minutes ago, Jman said:

If true, thank God.

I hope so cuz RFK jr is too much crazy hopefully I get to *womp womp* him when he has no high cabinet jerb 

 

[Insipid]

10 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Yes, because Republicans put things like pronouns in their bios, say its OK for men to compete against women, refer to Latinos as LatinX, and a whole slew of other things.

This meme could not be more true if it tried

Union participation has gone done from over 35 percent of Americans in the 1970s to less than 10 percent today. We are in a gilded age, with rich people making more money than ever before. Social issues and where they stand on the spectrum change over time.

Who exactly was it that started making trans using the "wron bathroom' back in 2014 conveniently around the time Caitlynn Jenner came out?

It's ok, plenty of dumb people will still fall for your shit.

[Jman]

6 minutes ago, naraku360 said:

They'll complain about censorship whether or not there actually is any.

Baten Kaitos got flack for "censoring" the remaster by removing the dub because it was "too offensive," when the only examples they came up with were adding "...Yikes." to the end of one line with no voicepver to beginwith, and a card being changed from alcohol to juice.... but you meet one of the main character's in a tavern with frequent alcohol references in tact and I had several cards that were alcohol, such as red wine or meade. Alocohol is listed in the ESRB, ffs.

And that’s why you point out that they are jingling keys, while at the same time, not being screeching about other things like breasts.  You break this idiotic narrative by loosening up a bit, then going after the things that matter, including their precious grocery prices.

[matrixman124]

14 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Yes, because Republicans put things like pronouns in their bios, say its OK for men to compete against women, refer to Latinos as LatinX, and a whole slew of other things.

This meme could not be more true if it tried

That shit is leftist in name only

Its performative

Real leftist change is implementing real policies where vulnerable underprivileged people can feel safe.

The Dems pretended to be progressive and did nothing in the last 4 years to help anyone in any significant way

[scoobdog]

2 hours ago, Insipid said:

Again, celebrities need to permanently shut the fuck up with their shit takes. White people moved more to Harris while non white people moved more to Trump.

In other words, people more likely to be on the wrong side of the labor market.  It tracks with the general complaint about the economy shown in the polls.

[matrixman124]

5 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Union participation has gone done from over 35 percent of Americans in the 1970s to less than 10 percent today. We are in a gilded age, with rich people making more money than ever before. Social issues and where they stand on the spectrum change over time.

Who exactly was it that started making trans using the "wron bathroom' back in 2014 conveniently around the time Caitlynn Jenner came out?

It's ok, plenty of dumb people will still fall for your shit.

It's so easy to blame pronouns.

The right wants you to blame pronouns. 

The right wants the Democrats to throw trans people under the bus.

The right wants the trans community back in the closet or dead.

And then once they're done, they'll be targeting the LGB part of the name

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

It's so easy to blame pronouns.

The right wants you to blame pronouns. 

The right wants the Democrats to throw trans people under the bus.

The right wants the trans community back in the closet or dead.

And then once they're done, they'll be targeting the LGB part of the name

And the solution is to not allow them to blame pronouns.  The solution is to point out how little the pronouns effect the economy while at the same time making it easier for people to get casual entertainment that isn’t yelling at them.

(Anecdote alert!) There’s this dude on the internet who criticizes “SJW” comics although lately he’s come to absolutely despite the level of grift over shit like kids cartoons and the like, calling it stupid, which it is.  Then he did his own crowdfunded comic and had a gay couple in it, but it was done in a very casual conversation before they went back to the shooting.  I think people like that can be convinced that this shit is a smokescreen to hide the hand taking money out of their pocket, but only if they really hit that messaging and end the culture war by making a new enemy out of this economic smokescreen.

[_lost_username_]

19 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

The Democrats didn't even go left

They were actively courting Republicans

The answer is STOP COURTING REPUBLICANS

You want every vote you can get. You just don’t need to say “we’re doing this for you Republicans.” They got many Republican voters in 06 and 08 without doing anything more than acknowledging that they’d work with them and Obama saying he’d have a republican in his cabinet. 

I think they really got complacent in 2012 when they bought into the whole “demographics are destiny” thing. I think they just assumed the growth of the nonwhite population would ensure a permanent majority within a decade. Didn’t pan out and I think the “demographics are destiny” idea is officially dead.

[Master-Debater131]

One thing that I really want to know, but know theres no real way to quantify, is how much did Mark Cubans "there are no strong women in the GOP" comment hurt.

He was a big surrogate for the Harris campaign and was on all sorts of talk shows and media events talking up Harris.

Then he made that comment, and the Harris campaign pulled him from TV.  That clearly did something because social media exploded with right win women just irate that he would say that.

Trump also just named the first ever female chief of staff.

I cannot wait for the tell alls to come out about the Harris campaign. Its going to be spectacular reading.

[matrixman124]

2 minutes ago, _lost_username_ said:

You want every vote you can get. You just don’t need to say “we’re doing this for you Republicans.” They got many Republican voters in 06 and 08 without doing anything more than acknowledging that they’d work with them and Obama saying he’d have a republican in his cabinet. 

I think they really got complacent in 2012 when they bought into the whole “demographics are destiny” thing. I think they just assumed the growth of the nonwhite population would ensure a permanent majority within a decade. Didn’t pan out and I think the “demographics are destiny” idea is officially dead.

If the Democrats appeal to the center right, they reject everyone left of that.

And the GOP has a strong grip of the center right and everything right of that

[matrixman124]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

One thing that I really want to know, but know theres no real way to quantify, is how much did Mark Cubans "there are no strong women in the GOP" comment hurt.

He was a big surrogate for the Harris campaign and was on all sorts of talk shows and media events talking up Harris.

Then he made that comment, and the Harris campaign pulled him from TV.  That clearly did something because social media exploded with right win women just irate that he would say that.

Trump also just named the first ever female chief of staff.

I cannot wait for the tell alls to come out about the Harris campaign. Its going to be spectacular reading.

I honestly think that most people were already decided because they thought Trump was going to be best for their wellbeing.

Trying to credit a single brain dead statement feels reductive. It's oversimplifying a much bigger problem which is that the Republicans have made Trumpism acceptable to the average voter

[Master-Debater131]

16 minutes ago, Insipid said:

Union participation has gone done from over 35 percent of Americans in the 1970s to less than 10 percent today. We are in a gilded age, with rich people making more money than ever before. Social issues and where they stand on the spectrum change over time.

Who exactly was it that started making trans using the "wron bathroom' back in 2014 conveniently around the time Caitlynn Jenner came out?

It's ok, plenty of dumb people will still fall for your shit.

Whats so interesting about the Union thing is that Union voters seem to have swung to Trump this time. Not government unions, but working class Unions. Fetterman saw this coming and was raising the alarm about how the GOP and Trump was becoming the party of the working man and what he said was exactly what the Unions wanted to hear.

For the first time in my entire lifetime a Union President addressed the RNC. That was unprecedented.

Unions do not mean Democrats anymore. Democrats are abandoning these voters in favor of educated elites who live in their bubbles. These voters are feeling that, and they left the Democrats.

[CountFrylock]

What’s horrifying is the idea of Donald trump being any kids role model and person to imitate because he’s mister president 

How do we tell younger generations this isn’t right when democracy just told us it is?

[matrixman124]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

Whats so interesting about the Union thing is that Union voters seem to have swung to Trump this time. Not government unions, but working class Unions. Fetterman saw this coming and was raising the alarm about how the GOP and Trump was becoming the party of the working man and what he said was exactly what the Unions wanted to hear.

For the first time in my entire lifetime a Union President addressed the RNC. That was unprecedented.

Unions do not mean Democrats anymore. Democrats are abandoning these voters in favor of educated elites who live in their bubbles. These voters are feeling that, and they left the Democrats.

It's pretty insane because the GOP is going to actively do everything in its power to erase any power the unions have

[matrixman124]

Just now, CountFrylock said:

What’s horrifying is the idea of Donald trump being any kids role model and person to imitate because he’s mister president 

How do we tell younger generations this isn’t right when democracy just told us it is?

I'm going to have to fucking deal with that now with my 6 year old daughter 

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

It's pretty insane because the GOP is going to actively do everything in its power to erase any power the unions have

2026 will have a lot of people hopefully campaigning on “You found out, and how did it feel?”

[Master-Debater131]

1 minute ago, matrixman124 said:

I honestly think that most people were already decided because they thought Trump was going to be best for their wellbeing.

Trying to credit a single brain dead statement feels reductive. It's oversimplifying a much bigger problem which is that the Republicans have made Trumpism acceptable to the average voter

Thats probably fair, and with early voting most opinions are baked in ages before election day.

Election Day is Election Month, so one comment probably cant swing it.

It doesnt help though. Its pretty clear that a lot of women supported Trump, and theres a real question on when they made that decision. Theres also the fact that a lot of Red states voted into law Abortion rights while overwhelmingly voting for Trump. Thats a fascinating piece of data thats worth studying.

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Whats so interesting about the Union thing is that Union voters seem to have swung to Trump this time. Not government unions, but working class Unions. Fetterman saw this coming and was raising the alarm about how the GOP and Trump was becoming the party of the working man and what he said was exactly what the Unions wanted to hear.

For the first time in my entire lifetime a Union President addressed the RNC. That was unprecedented.

Unions do not mean Democrats anymore. Democrats are abandoning these voters in favor of educated elites who live in their bubbles. These voters are feeling that, and they left the Democrats.

The working class instead voted for the man who never pays anybody and thinks workers should have no rights

“Just be glad you get to work for me that’s better than a pay check!”

[PenguinBoss]

31 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Yes, because Republicans put things like pronouns in their bios, say its OK for men to compete against women, refer to Latinos as LatinX, and a whole slew of other things.

This meme could not be more true if it tried

The implication that conservatives haven't moved at all in the past 8 years is hilarious.

Either this is obviously false, or they've always been so far right there's nowhere else to go.

[Belize]

Trump won because at least half of people are horrible, disgusting people who cheer cruelty. This is the moral clarity we need to start with. 

I suspect this wasn't an overwhelming problem for most up till 2015 or so because we successfully had them contained and inhibited some way. The way back to a good state is finding a way to do that again. 

[Jman]

Just now, Master-Debater131 said:

 

It doesnt help though. Its pretty clear that a lot of women supported Trump, and theres a real question on when they made that decision. Theres also the fact that a lot of Red states voted into law Abortion rights while overwhelmingly voting for Trump. Thats a fascinating piece of data thats worth studying.

This remains the biggest example of just how weird the messaging was.  In a vacuum, progressive policies won handily when up for voting.  People like giving women bodily autonomy.  They like workers having money.  They like their taxpayer dollars having practical effects.

And yet they all voted for Trump.

[CountFrylock]

1 minute ago, matrixman124 said:

I'm going to have to fucking deal with that now with my 6 year old daughter 

We’re gonna deal with kids becoming more trumps in the future 

we can tell them it’s wrong but he just won and democrats are gonna hand the keys over to a man whose gonna make sure there’s no more elections 

[_lost_username_]

1 minute ago, Jman said:

And the solution is to not allow them to blame pronouns.  The solution is to point out how little the pronouns effect the economy while at the same time making it easier for people to get casual entertainment that isn’t yelling at them.

(Anecdote alert!) There’s this dude on the internet who criticizes “SJW” comics although lately he’s come to absolutely despite the level of grift over shit like kids cartoons and the like, calling it stupid, which it is.  Then he did his own crowdfunded comic and had a gay couple in it, but it was done in a very casual conversation before they went back to the shooting.  I think people like that can be convinced that this shit is a smokescreen to hide the hand taking money out of their pocket, but only if they really hit that messaging and end the culture war by making a new enemy out of this economic smokescreen.

They shouldn’t have to talk about pronouns any further than “if it makes you feel good do it.” There’s no need to go down the rabbit hole and giving some gender studies explanation of it which will just make people think pronouns are somehow a Democrat priority.

That said, Democrats are not going to win on trans athletes or taking the power away from parents who don’t want their decisions on things like hormone treatment and puberty blockers taken away. That’s one thing, at best, they’ll have to leave to states for now. It’ll probably enrage some people, but sometimes you have to set things aside when it keeps you from winning. I know it’ll piss some people off and harm people, but the choice is no rights under Republicans or 90 percent of the rights you want under Democrats. Under Democrats, you can at least be sure that 10 percent of rights will probably come when society is ready to accept it.

[Belize]

3 minutes ago, Belize said:

Trump won because at least half of people are horrible, disgusting people who cheer cruelty. This is the moral clarity we need to start with. 

I suspect this wasn't an overwhelming problem for most up till 2015 or so because we successfully had them contained and inhibited some way. The way back to a good state is finding a way to do that again. 

 

 

Yes, this means calling MD a douchebag. Among many other things. 

[matrixman124]

6 minutes ago, Jman said:

2026 will have a lot of people hopefully campaigning on “You found out, and how did it feel?”

I will say Condescension hasn't really helped

[CountFrylock]

Still haven’t heard anything from my neighbor since Tuesday 

really not looking forward to seeing him

Just know he’s gonna make some comment about the election. 
 

he’s the only person helping out me and my mother so really wanting to avoid any arguments because then I might be up a creek without a paddle 

[Jman]

3 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

We’re gonna deal with kids becoming more trumps in the future 

we can tell them it’s wrong but he just won and democrats are gonna hand the keys over to a man whose gonna make sure there’s no more elections 

He’s not going to make sure of that.  He’s going to make sure his crimes get swept away so he can retire in peace as the dementia eats away at him.

[matrixman124]

3 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

We’re gonna deal with kids becoming more trumps in the future 

we can tell them it’s wrong but he just won and democrats are gonna hand the keys over to a man whose gonna make sure there’s no more elections 

I blame parents for letting their kids watch Andrew Tate

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

I will say Condescension hasn't really helped

Condensation and tut tutting people over superfluous stuff doesn’t.

Pointing out their financial pain and educating them on exactly what choices done by Mr “I can fix it” caused it will.  

[matrixman124]

5 minutes ago, Belize said:

Trump won because at least half of people are horrible, disgusting people who cheer cruelty. This is the moral clarity we need to start with. 

I suspect this wasn't an overwhelming problem for most up till 2015 or so because we successfully had them contained and inhibited some way. The way back to a good state is finding a way to do that again. 

The wild thing is that i think most of them are brainwashed and don't even realize the evil they are welcoming 

Until it affects them

[Jman]

Just now, matrixman124 said:

I blame parents for letting their kids watch Andrew Tate

Australia has moved to ban social media for anyone under 16.

It’s a good idea.

[Insipid]

9 minutes ago, Master-Debater131 said:

Whats so interesting about the Union thing is that Union voters seem to have swung to Trump this time. Not government unions, but working class Unions. Fetterman saw this coming and was raising the alarm about how the GOP and Trump was becoming the party of the working man and what he said was exactly what the Unions wanted to hear.

For the first time in my entire lifetime a Union President addressed the RNC. That was unprecedented.

Unions do not mean Democrats anymore. Democrats are abandoning these voters in favor of educated elites who live in their bubbles. These voters are feeling that, and they left the Democrats.

The union leaders still tend to be Democrar, but the people protected by the union tend to be Republican.

Unions still align more with Democrat values. Go try to push your drivel elsewhere where dumbasses will actually believe you.

[matrixman124]

Just now, Jman said:

Condensation and tut tutting people over superfluous stuff doesn’t.

Pointing out their financial pain and educating them on exactly what choices done by Mr “I can fix it” caused it will.  

Yes true

[CountFrylock]

Just now, Jman said:

He’s not going to make sure of that.  He’s going to make sure his crimes get swept away so he can retire in peace as the dementia eats away at him.

His team will try to ruin democracy as much as it can within the next four years 

The republicans aren’t going anywhere they want trump style politics forever 

[matrixman124]

Just now, Jman said:

Australia has moved to ban social media for anyone under 16.

It’s a good idea.

Fuck yeah

[Belize]

4 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Still haven’t heard anything from my neighbor since Tuesday 

really not looking forward to seeing him

Just know he’s gonna make some comment about the election. 
 

he’s the only person helping out me and my mother so really wanting to avoid any arguments because then I might be up a creek without a paddle 

 

He's helping out you and your mother? It's a real bad idea to be dependent on a Trumper in anyway. You should figure some way out not to be. And then scorn him so you're not tainted by him. 

This is similar to the advice I gave @Insipid about their brother. No matter the consequences, you *don't* become like them half way in order to appease them or just get along. 

[CountFrylock]

8 minutes ago, matrixman124 said:

Fuck yeah

Problem is if we try to say underage kids should have either limited internet access or none 

then where are they suppose to go?

It’s not like arcades are still around and much of the places children hung out at have either gone out of business or declined to such an extent they might as well be out of business 

if I was a kid today I’d have no idea what to do with my weekend 

 

[Belize]

huh.... I may be gathering back a moral sense after being shook. I'll see how it works out from here. 

[Jman]

1 minute ago, CountFrylock said:

Problem is if we try to say underage kids should have either limited internet access or none 

then where are they suppose to go?

It’s not like arcades are still around and much of the places children hung out at have either gone out of business or declined to such an extent they might as well be out of business 

if I was a kid today I’d have no idea what to do with my weekend 

 

We build things for the kids.  This is why I got so concerned when a lot of kid focused websites went offline, because I knew them mixing with adults guaranteed trouble.

[matrixman124]

10 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

Ignore this quote bubble

3 minutes ago, CountFrylock said:

Problem is if we try to say underage kids should have either limited internet access or none 

then where are they suppose to go?

It’s not like arcades are still around and much of the places children hung out at have either gone out of business or declined to such an extent they might as well be out of business 

if I was a kid today I’d have no idea what to do with my weekend 

 

My kid can watch stuff on streaming, play video games on her Switch, there are parks, and boardwalks

Like this is parenting 101 shit

They'll be fine

Edited November 8 by matrixman124

[CountFrylock]

9 minutes ago, Belize said:

 

He's helping out you and your mother? It's a real bad idea to be dependent on a Trumper in anyway. You should figure some way out not to be. And then scorn him so you're not tainted by him. 

This is similar to the advice I gave @Insipid about their brother. No matter the consequences, you *don't* become like them half way in order to appease them or just get along. 

I don’t exactly have many options right now…my mothers got a social security interview on the 18th but even if that goes anywhere I’m not confident about it due to trump walking into office 

Right now all we can do is sell or pawn stuff to get by